That's All The Sooners Get?

by ccmachine on Jul 11, 2007 3:05 PM CDT in Football

It took the NCAA nearly three months to do almost absolutely nothing new to the Sooners. As expected the NCAA didn't "hammer" Oklahoma with stiff penalties like certain fans of universities north and south of Norman were praying for.

The main punishment for "Bomargate" will be an 0-4 season for 2005 as all 8 of Oklahoma's wins have to be vacated. What does that mean? Well, it means that the 8 games the Sooners won that season never happened. It does not mean 8 forfits. Sorry OSU you still have a lengthy losing streak going.

OU's penalties aside from the vacated wins:

Two additional years of probation, extended the period through 2010. Expected -Basically the "self-imposed" sanctions the university instituted last August will end at the end of the 2010 academic year instead of after 08 like initially scheduled.
The loss of two scholarships through the 2009-10 season. Unexpected - But in a good way. I really expected the loss of scholarships to be three or four but the NCAA decided to keep it at the number set by the University of Oklahoma.
A reduction by one of the number of coaches who can recruit off campus. Expected - I'm not for sure if this includes the reduction already in place by the university or if it is in addition to. Regardless it is insignificant. Have you seen the 08 recruiting class? I think we are fine!
A public reprimand and censure. Who cares!
A disassociation with the dealership manager for five years. Who cares! Forget five years. Brad McRea will never again be accepted back into the Sooner family!

So in the entire scheme of things what does all this mean? Nothing! The 2007 football season is going to happen and the Oklahoma Sooners are going to be Big 12 and national title contenders, and even stronger in 2008. Vacating wins from a bad season doesn't really bother me not losing any additional scholarships delights me. All in all I am extremely happy with the verdict and I am sure the University of Oklahoma is as well.

Here's something to keep watch for. USC you are next on the NCAA's radar. You know if OU had to vacate wins for less than $10,000 then your 04 national championship season is gone. That would leave the Sooners as the top team in the nation that year thus potentially earning us our 8th national championship.

I don't know how you feel about it but I for one am a Sooner fan who would not want to claim that championship. I was at that game in Miami that night and still have nightmares. Championships should be earned on the field and not on paper!

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Actually, '04 is safe

'05 is the one we'd have to worry about, because nothing allegedly happened until then.

by USCLink on Jul 11, 2007 3:16 PM CDT 0 recs

Well...

At least if that is the case then you won't lose a national championship.

by ccmachine on Jul 11, 2007 3:57 PM CDT 0 recs

Yeah...

I can't say this helps my confidence though=/

For the record, I think that what you guys got nailed for is bullshit. Self-reporting, and immediately dealing with the problem seems like a pretty good reaction.

What irks me most is that Bomar and the other guy got a 1 year slap on the wrist. OU is the one that actually got punished (regardless of how harsh that punishment was).

As an aside, you think it makes a difference that your player's got paid, while one of our player's parent's got paid?

by USCLink on Jul 11, 2007 4:08 PM CDT 0 recs

I don't think it will matter

Bush's parents were receiving money from an agent because Bush gave him his word that he would sign with him. That makes Reggie guilty as well.

There is no doubt in my mind that USC stands to lose a lot more than OU but like Oklahoma what could the Trojans have done to prevent it?

As far as Bomar goes, he went from playing in front of 85,000 fans to 10,000 and had to set out a year. Worse for Quinn because he wound up in Montanna. I don't know if it was enough but what was done is done and it is time to move on.

by ccmachine on Jul 11, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

What about LSU?

LSU won the national championship in 2004 beating OU. I was at the game, they played great. Defense was very stout, better than I'd though they would be. Rough night in the Quarter with all that yellow and purple. I took lots of shit.

But I did walk out of the sugar bowl with James Carville, he seemed pretty pumped.

by zenmas12 on Jul 11, 2007 8:38 PM CDT 0 recs

left this out

USC didn't win shit, I don't care what they say.

by zenmas12 on Jul 11, 2007 8:39 PM CDT 0 recs

wrong again

I guess that was the '03 season, game was just in Jan. '04. USC still sucks

by zenmas12 on Jul 11, 2007 8:41 PM CDT 0 recs

I'm happy with the decision

because it could have been a lot worse.

by soonerman on Jul 11, 2007 11:20 PM CDT 0 recs

not worried...

even if they Vacate the 04 season the BCS controls the trophy. So as CCM said "who cares"!

and if they did take it big deal...we all know what we witnessed that season. you can't erase memories, just leave my schollies alone.

and while we're at it for those praying for the hammer to drop hard (ucla) punishing USC will not change the pathetic sad state of affirs that their program is in. they may have won last season but they are still insignificant in the national picture.

Fight On! Conquest Chronicles

by Paragon SC on Jul 12, 2007 4:55 AM CDT 0 recs

Still can't beat Oregon

With ou having to "vacate" the 2005 Holiday Bowl, that's one more game they haven't been able to beat Oregon.

Can't spell Pout without OU.

by Big Duck on Jul 12, 2007 9:08 AM CDT 0 recs

Other Way Around

I would actually say that you have it backwards. Oregon can't beat OU. That makes two losses for Oregon that were only prevented with off the field help.

I hope that one day you guys can take pride in actually winning a game on the field.

by ccmachine on Jul 12, 2007 11:25 AM CDT up 0 recs

Not so fast, my friend

You say that if USC was forced to vacate their 2004 season, which they probably will once the dust has settled, that would have left OU as the top team? Think again. Vacating wins doesn't give the opposing team a victory, it simply erases the wrong-doer's win. OU would still have that pasting by USC. The Auburn Tigers would have been the top team in 2004. Even if vacation would award a victory to the loser, you can't un-ring a bell. No one would forget that the Sooners lost.

Besides, the NCAA DOES NOT sanction a national title in Division 1-A football. The selectors do. In 2004, there were over 30 different selectors who awarded national championships. USC had the lion's share, Auburn had two and Utah had one. If USC vacates that season, the majority of selectors would change their votes to Auburn. None would probably award one to Oklahoma. Pooh, you say? Wouldn't want one that they didn't win on the field? Well, we didn't lose it on the field, either. The cheated and we were undefeated. Tell me where I'm wrong...

by War Eagle Atlanta on Jul 12, 2007 11:54 AM CDT 0 recs

Well,

Where you are wrong is that the 2004 Sugar Bowl that OU lost to LSU was following the 2003 season (I was at that game as well and it was more fun than the Orange Bowl in 05) and I am talking about the 2004 season that ended at the 2005 Orange Bowl.

During the 2004 season it was pretty much just OU and USC at the top and the Trojans were clearly a notch above the Sooners as proved in Miami which is why I wouldn't want a title that wasn't earned.

by ccmachine on Jul 12, 2007 12:25 PM CDT up 0 recs