OU defensive backs coach Willie Martinez to the Jayhawks?
by Jordan Esco on Jan 6, 2012 10:17 AM CST
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UPDATE #2: According to Murdock's sources, Martinez turned down KU. Kind of makes you think he believes he had a legit chance at a "better" job (i.e. Illinois).
UPDATE: The Big 10 Network is also reporting that Martinez to Illinois could happen FWIW.
I know there are a bunch of OU fans out there just waiting for some kind of shoe to drop that allows for Mike Stoops seemingly imminent return to Norman. Well this morning on the Sports Animal out of OKC, Carey Murdock of SoonerScoop may have hinted at the aforementioned 'shoe.'
He said that he wasn't quite ready to report the story, but that he had heard from a couple well placed sources, as he called them, that have told him that Sooners defensive backs coach (and scapegoat to many an OU fan IMO) Willie Martinez could be headed to Lawrence, KS to become the defensive coordinator for Charlie Weis.
If this proves to be true, it would be pretty much the perfect scenario for those clamoring for Mike Stoops to return. Aside from Bob's "never fired an asst. coach" streak staying intact, Mike Stoops was the secondary coach when he was previously on staff at Oklahoma. So Martinez's possible departure would allow the younger Stoops to return to his old spot (and presumably Co-DC with Venables) and not force the OU coaching staff to have to make any other real significant changes.
While I'm not as quick to throw Martinez under the bus as some, I think this could be a win-win type deal for everyone involved. Martinez has experience as a DC, gets to stay in a conference he's familiar with, gets a promotion, gets a chance to run his own defense, and OU fans get Mike Stoops back. Win-win.
We'll obviously just have to wait and see how this thing plays out, but I'd expect this is potentially good (great?) news for those OU fans out there eagerly anticipating Mike's return.
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sounds like a perfect answer
to a perceived problem
Team FIRST, Effort SECOND, Talent THIRD, Selfish NEVER
Murdock has updated his initial story
To say that he’s hearing two different things. He has one source in Norman that is telling him Martinez isn’t going anywhere. He has another source in Lawrence that it’s still on and that Martinez might even be in town (Lawrence that is) today.
Two separate posts on Rock Chalk Talk also report
that Justin McCay is signing with the Jayhawks.
Rumor has it that Texas is about to sign a huge corporate sponsorship deal for the Longhorn Network. They just have to decide which brand represents them best: Dyson, Eureka or Hoover.
i don't doubt you
but doesn’t that mean he sits out TWO years – transferring to a team in the same conference
Team FIRST, Effort SECOND, Talent THIRD, Selfish NEVER
I think that is up to OU
They can issue a waiver or something that would allow him to play much sooner. Not really sure how that works or if Stoops and Co. would be on board for that.
by SoonerGoneEast on Jan 6, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Because that would be a ridiculous statement to make
About a 20-year old kid IMO. Stoops had the class to give the special waiver, so I see no reason why we as fans shouldn’t follow suit (re: class). Kids leave man, happens all the time. By all accounts, this one didn’t leave on bad terms so personally I see no reason to wish him anything but the best of luck (outside of the Saturday/s we play him of course).
We’ll be just fine without him, so no reason to be pricks about it IMO.
by Jordan Esco on Jan 6, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well I was speaking from my point of view
I guess one does have to take into account Stoops never playing anyone besides his faves. If it were me, the kid probably would’ve had a shot and would want to stay. But alas it’s not and he didn’t so he doesn’t.
Ridiculous statement…pfft.
Think that stoops already agreed to that, so he sits 1 year
by OU JJ on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey guys,
Are we allowed to complain about Whitney Hand’s boyfriend on this page? That other thread is getting pretty clogged up!
by SoonerGoneEast on Jan 6, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Great point
Great point, SGE. Landry’s decision to return to OU really screws OU next year. From all accounts, he’s a cancer in the locker room. On the bright side, his refusal to attend class (smells like drugs to me) may make him ineligible.
I just don’t see how OU can win any games next year if they have an unaccomplished four-year starter at QB (absolute loser who’s 3-0 in bowls, 2-0 as a starter against Texas, 1-0 in Big 12 Championship games, and 2-1 against top-15 OSU teams, and a projected first round pick). If Stoops had any idea how to run a football team, he’d start Bell (a glorified FB, basically, who has thrown more INTs than completions — 1-0) and run the wildcat (Belldozer) full time.
by crimsonchevron on Jan 6, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
He beat a Luckless Stanford team, an atrocious 8 and 5 UConn team and a middle of the pack Big 10 team…… Yippie!
Love the crimson and cream
by ohiosoonerbaby on Jan 6, 2012 12:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention a 5 and 7 and 7 and 5 Texas high school squad.
Love the crimson and cream
by ohiosoonerbaby on Jan 6, 2012 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bradford was 1-1 against Tech.
And 0-1 against Colorado. And 0-2 in bowl games.
by ClarkusKentus on Jan 6, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
And never lost to Baylor.
You can find stats to back up anything you want.
You want to win the sun bowl or lose the bcs championship. Heupel was 1-1 in bowl games. And 0-1 to Colorado…. See how easy that is?
by OU JJ on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
that was my point. Definitely not arguing that LJ is a better QB than Bradford.
by ClarkusKentus on Jan 6, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
I was joking about bringing that conversation to this thread,
and your sophomoric attempt at wit or sarcasm or whatever it was, completely missed my opinion on Landry Jones. I would lay out what my true feelings are, but it’s a nice day out so I’ve decided to take off work early.
by SoonerGoneEast on Jan 6, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
I would leave early but I didn't work Monday & am off next Friday.
It is an outstanding day.
by OU JJ on Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
say anything you want but I will let you know one thing,
never, ever in the history of OU football has this team or school been emBAREassed like what happen in Stoolwater. Guess who your QB was.
Losing To BSH St in the fiesta bowl was not that embarasing.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Never, ever is pretty strong, there have been others as well
over the years…
And I think having what seemed like half our team on the disabled
list will eventually take the sting out of this one as well. My point was just that “never ever in the history,” probably doesn’t apply… No big deal.
Or what about the1965 team that got shut out by Navy, Texas, Colorado, AND Missouri. Hard to even watch any game that year. What about bouncing back the following year and being ranked #10 part way into the season only to be crushed 38-0 by the hated Notre Dame in Norman, no less. There have been some colossal embarrassments over the years in Dallas as well.
More on the USC game
I think we had a pretty full complement of great players going into that one including Adrian P. and had high expectations, but several great players (including a beloved qb) looked scared and didn’t play very well—allowing Reggie Bush to say after the game “I feel sorry for those who bought tickets—they didn’t get to see much of a game.” Ugh… talk about embarrassing…
Correct
Stoops granted McCay a release to play at Kansas. Classy move. There’s no reason to fight a kid who’s simply trying to get on the field (he wouldn’t have played at OU) and be closer to home.
by crimsonchevron on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
i have no problem with the release
I just asked the question – typical stoops class – he doesn’t hold obvious grudges IMO
Team FIRST, Effort SECOND, Talent THIRD, Selfish NEVER
No, it’s a fine question. I was addressing SCKSChief’s ridiculous comment.
by crimsonchevron on Jan 6, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
No doubt bring back Mike and the mentality and tenacity to our defense.
Love the crimson and cream
by ohiosoonerbaby on Jan 6, 2012 1:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't get the love for Mike Stoops
his defenses weren’t all that great either. In many statistical ways, OU’s D has improved since he left.
I don’t think Mike Stoops changes any equation we have with this football team. Mark Manginio, well, that’s a different story.
I think Stoop's remark that "2% of the team is no longer commanding 90% of my time,"
is one of the most encouraging things I heard, and bodes very well for next year, regardless of whether there are changes in the coaching staff or not.
I don't think I ever called Martinez to go and surely did not ask for Mike to come back
Honestly I don’t give a rat’s a$$ what happens, I only want a D that :
- ensures 12-14 W’s a year
- a Defense that makes a habit of planting opposing QB’s several times every game
- can stop the run up the middle
- doesn’t give up the long play
- has a positive turnover margin
- Ranks in the Top 10 of every defensive category
- Makes every team we play pee their pants at the thought of playing OU
I don’t care if Santa Claus is DC of the OU defense, I just want it all!
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
I don't want Santa Claus as the DC....
I want Jesus Christ.
I'm a Sooner Born and a Sooner Bred, and when I die I'll be a Sooner Dead!!!
So you want a defense
That loses 1 game per year, minimum? Don’t you think that’s asking a little much?
by KratosWasASooner on Jan 7, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
My only expectation is that the defense never specifically be the reason we lose
This is non-negotiable. Stats will vary, schemes will vary. But defense should never cost us a game. The defense is the reason we lost to Texas Tech. The defense is the reason we lost to Baylor. The OSU loss is on everyone, so I can’t and won’t pin that on the D. Regardless, that’s two losses, including one at home to a team that sat out bowl season, that can be specifically pinned on the defense. When the offense puts up five TDs, that loss is on the defense, period.
This may be blasphemy here, but I’m willing to forgive the offense for not being top notch 2-3 games a year. Great college offenses are based on reps and experience, and in college you’re never guaranteed to have both on a consistent basis. Crap happens. Talent guarantees nothing.
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