Oklahoma Sooners: Tradition VS Swag
by OnlyOneOU on Jan 4, 2012 2:54 PM CST
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Oklahoma Sooner fans have long talked about the tradition of excellence that has been built at the University of Oklahoma. From generation to generation, the timelessness of the Football Uniforms has largely gone unchanged. Now players are beginning to call for new "swag" in a year that was dominated by the uniform combinations unveiled not only by the Oregon Ducks and the Oklahoma St. Cowboys. The first to put this out there was none other than Tony Jefferson saying
The second to follow suit was Brennan Clay saying
However, OU has been picked as one of the best old school unis and something people across the nation recognize at Oklahoma. Now I pose this question to you once again here at CCM:
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I don't think we should get new uniforms.
But I do think we should wear an alternate about once a year or so. The throwbacks we had in 2003 were pretty sweet! Maybe a camo version to honor the troops too.
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Please no camo version.
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Dudes and dudettes
Those Oregon helmets were SICK!
I am fully in favor of going with a change-of-pace uni or two. I love the classic look, but dadgum those Oregon unis are slick. OSU’s all-blacks are badass too.
Agreed
Tradition is something that a lot of schools wish they had, and IMO the flashy jerseys is how they try to compensate. Coincidence that the pukes happened to get those on their one good season? They wanted more attention, and the jerseys got it. However, I agree with dasoonerman that we could break out something different once a year.
Lets go back to Omaha!!!
by SoonerBornSoonerBred on Jan 4, 2012 3:21 PM CST reply actions
But
if some flashier unis are what gets the bigtime recruits, it’s worth looking into. However when you look at it in contrast places like LSU, Bama, UT, OU, Nebraska, USC all have traditional unis and do well annually. Even LSU went with a change-up uni this year and I liked the all-white look. Changing pace never hurts…unless you’re OU and you wear them the one day NO ONE shows up and you get embarrassed in Lubbock.
My problem with new swag
Is that our current unis (especially helmets) are instantly recognizable and top-notch.
Also, while I agree that Oregon’s kit looked good in the Rose this year, half of the time they look like vomit on a stick. I can only imagine how a sports fashion person could screw up OU’s. We’d probably end up with horsepig unis.
If new uniforms "get you going"
You might choose a different career path.
In watching the Oregon game, I will admit to liking the helmets. However, having only ONE good element in over 52,000,000 combinations is not a good thing.
And I don’t trust Nike. Most of the stuff coming out looks like crap.
If I am to see tweaks, I want them minor. Black OU on a red helmet, or black numbers, or maybe face guards that incorporate this (hah):
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
yeah...19 year old kids are so good at making decisions
You want ugly uniform combinations to get fired up: Go to Okie St, Oregon or Maryland
You want tradition and winning champions and being part of of something that is bigger then the end of your own arm and includes names like Vessals, Womack, Sims, Selmon, Bosworth, etc……You go to the University of Oklahoma!
OUr uniforms were good enough for these guys:
It’s not the uniform….it’s the heart of the man IN the uniform!
^ This ^ +1000000000
Rumor has it that Texas is about to sign a huge corporate sponsorship deal for the Longhorn Network. They just have to decide which brand represents them best: Dyson, Eureka or Hoover.
If you note the no sooners on the front:
You wanna honor the selmon’s at the first home game, go thought route. 1 game.
by OU JJ on Jan 4, 2012 3:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Fwiw ... I don't care what someone who has been on campus 2 years thinks.
I do like it tho to throw back once a year at HOME to honor an era or a team. Or 9/11 etc.I also thinks its fine to tweak it up a bit cut/style wise.
You want change, yank those names off the back. You play for Oklahoma not yourself.
by OU JJ on Jan 4, 2012 3:41 PM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
now THAT'S a change I support!
You want change, yank those names off the back. You play for Oklahoma not yourself.
by Redhawk on Jan 4, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
amen! and rec'd for the last sentence.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
It's time for these guys to shut up
I’m sick of the California guys running their mouths about swag. Shut up and and actually live up to expectations – how’s that for some real swag?
Oh HELL no
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
OU Boomer Sooner New Uniforms I don't think so...
Half the time when your see the Pucks pardon me Ducks WE are like who is that? And now the Cowboys are in on it to. Our guys need to produce a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WIN then maybe fans will be open to some of their swagger ideas…But not Drastic….Oklahoma takes pride in our Tradition!
Interesting how boys from California....
who are only going to be here their minimum 3 years anyway have so much to say about the uniforms. Don’t think the old time fans would get mad? I guess they weren’t around in 1995 when we had stripes on the sleeves and it said Oklahoma instead of Sooners on the front, everyone was just a tad bit upset. Oh, and don’t forget about 2007 when the names on the back of the jerseys were removed. And I will NEVER forget the joke back in 1995 about going to a white helmet with Schooner Pride Stickers for big plays. Yeah, don’t molest with these uniforms. Even wearing Crimson pants makes me want to hurl.
I'm a Sooner Born and a Sooner Bred, and when I die I'll be a Sooner Dead!!!
So you need new uniforms to have a swagger about you?
They want swag, shut the F up and play football!! This is Oklahoma not oregon or osu. We have tradition, not fancy fufu uniforms. Stoops really needs to look at the kids he’s recruiting if they are more concerned about looks than titles. He should take a vote to see who wants new uni’s than not renew the schoarships of the ones that do.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
Kids like shiny stuff
I say we have at least one or two alternate uni combos in the back pocket.
I mean why not? Its not like we still run the wishbone because of tradition.
Tradition is more than a uniform.
by SgtHatr3d on Jan 4, 2012 4:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
If they like shiny stuff
They should go to the Barry Switzer Center and check out the trophies. OUr uniforms and OUr hardware IS OUr tradition!
by SoonerGoneEast on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
And they shouldnt use the internet either.
or under armor or wear helmets that were not made from cow a$$.
Or have tatoos
Or that long mane-like hair.
by SCKSChief on Jan 5, 2012 3:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Bring on the New Unis!!
While these kids may be prima donnas and spoiled, I still believe CF should be about them (even though it isn’t). If the majority of the team wants new unis then I say give it to them. Even better would be Stoops and company using new unis to signify a new era of Sooner football … one where defense rules AND we have a reliable run game.
by FortySeven on Jan 4, 2012 4:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
you mean like what the current uniforms are supposed to signify?
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
^ This ^
Rumor has it that Texas is about to sign a huge corporate sponsorship deal for the Longhorn Network. They just have to decide which brand represents them best: Dyson, Eureka or Hoover.
You're right
But we have to face up to the fact that this hasn’t been represented in YEARS. Whatever needs to happen to get this thing going again, I’m all about it.
if we're buying into the fact that a piece of fabric is what needs to change than somethings wrong!
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
We all know that the uniform doesn't make the team good
That falls on preparation, coaching and performance. The thing with the unis is all about recruiting and image. Nobody believes that new uniforms would magic away the current issues.
by SCKSChief on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know that but it's the way some of the posts are coming off.
I would rather see the changes in all the things that you mentioned above before I’d rather see a new uniform that’s nothing more than a recruiting school to get 5 star athletes in here, when alot of five stars turn out to be nothing more prima donna’s which i believe is a big part of the problem we had this year.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
*tool not school*
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
How about we get player who show some heart and want to play
I’m getting tired of spoiled brats with a sense of entitlement…. An alternate uni why not but our color are recognized and our tradition is strong.
I can’t even imagine OU playing in other colors, and that helmet is Crimson / Red with the OU logo or white.
Granted the Ducks had a couple of good ones this year, but really for the past few seasons they had real ugly ones. The pokes, well anything is better than orange right ?? ;)
Seriously, the removal of the player name on the jersey I like it. Changing everything for nothing but the buzz no thank you.
PS : been reading for ages, but first post….. Hi from Ireland everyone :) and Boomer Sooner.
welcome my Irish brother!
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
Adopted Irish I'm afraid not the real stuff ;)
But thanks anyway.
Welcome to the board!
Feel free to chime in anytime. As most of us will attest, we’re wrong as much as we’re right.
I'm pretty astounded
by the anger that some of you seem to have about the idea of trying something different with the uniforms. Like most of you, I like the present uniforms pretty well. But I’ve read more than 1 article about how uniforms can influence recruits to want to play at a school. Should it? Probably not but that doesn’t change reality.
Say what you want about “telling kids to shut the f-up and play football” or “win something” or how they’re young and stupid but these kids know a hell of a lot more about what attracts young football players to want to play for a university than you or I do. Ultimately, recruiting is no different than sales and when you have an opportunity to improve the product you’re selling, it’s worth considering. The team ought to try something a little different (not camo, for crying out loud!) at a game next year — incorporating some black or gray or silver somehow into the uniform. Don’t change it exactly but maybe try some black trim around the numbers and on the helmet. Or silver pants and silver shoes (ode to Joe Washington, for those of you who know who he was). Kids are telling us, in one way or another, that doing different things with their uniforms is appealing to them. It’s in our best interest to listen.
by chuckb on Jan 4, 2012 4:39 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Its a side effect of our ADD society
and instant gratification, Kids these days like variety because EVERYTHING has options.
This isn’t the early 1900’s where the Model T only came in Black.
You're right
and they have all kinds of options of where to go to school, If they want to come here, I’d rather it be about tradition and history, and the drive to be a champion, rather than coming here to wear a cool uniform.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
Uhh where has that Tradition and history got us in the last 12 years??
Variety never hurts..
Football, in its purest form, remains a physical fight. As in any fight, if you don't want to fight, it's impossible to win." Bud Wilkinson
A .8198 winning percentage...
Rumor has it that Texas is about to sign a huge corporate sponsorship deal for the Longhorn Network. They just have to decide which brand represents them best: Dyson, Eureka or Hoover.
Not at all
Great players and great coaches have gotten us an .8198 winning percentage. It’s the great players that have created the winning tradition OU fans are so proud of. The tradition didn’t create the winning. Where is Army’s football program today, or the University of Chicago’s? We’re going to continue to need great players and coaches in order to preserve that tradition.
Who cares why they choose OU?
Would you really rather have worse players who want to wear traditional uniforms or better players who want to wear “cool” uniforms? I’d rather have better players. National championships make it easy to overlook some hideous uniforms but great uniforms don’t make 5 win seasons look any better. Just ask UT!
Why does it have to be so drastic
i.e. “ADD society” that kids want to have cool new uniforms? And this is coming from a school that doesn’t change uni’s either.
by 40A on Jan 5, 2012 6:09 AM CST up reply actions
I'm going to have to agree
Its the kids that make the plays and do the winning..Not us as fans..
If a new uni would make them feel a lil SWAG then why not?
Tradition?? It used to be tradition to ride to work in a buggy…
Football, in its purest form, remains a physical fight. As in any fight, if you don't want to fight, it's impossible to win." Bud Wilkinson
You get swagger by beating up on other teams. By knowing you can beat any team anytime.
New uniforms are not going to win games. Recruits come to OU, or they should come to OU, because of the chance to win championships every years. PERIOD!
I like the current unis
They are timeless. HOWEVER, I support a change only if we can get a really cool look. The better you look the better you play.
Also, I don’t know about you but I love that we have mouthy guys on the team. They aren’t embarrassing the program. They’re showing passion and intensity, which can be the difference in games.
I disagree with some of that
The better you look the better you play? NO. the better you practice/prepare the better you play, how you look should have nothing to do with it.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
The preparation is implied in the statement
I’ve always heard that growing up in sports, “The better you look, the better you play.” My old man taught me that when I was a kid, citing that as the reason for tucking in my shirt, squaring up my cap and making sure my socks matched. He also told me, “Looking good is half the battle.” He said this with an extended statement of when a team looks sharp, they can actually look like better players because of it and thus further gain an advantage.
Guys, we are all “old school” here. This is an understood and a given. Yet, we have to understand that just because the Colt Peacemaker won the West, it ain’t gonna win the next World War.
Good points here.
I like having some guys with different personalities and outspoken kids on the team. I never knew why T Jefferson caught so much flack for just suggesting he should have been on the All Big 12 team. That being said I would be disappointed to see the classic look leave for some flash in the pan new unis. I’ll sound real old here but I kind of cringe whenever I here the word swag nowadays. I think one thing wrong with the younger kids is they put too much emphasis on swag and very little on actual substance.
by BoomerWolverine on Jan 4, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
I've heard the same things all my life as well
And I happen to think that some of the best looking uni’s are the most simple. We have one of those. It’s not like they are trotting our guys out there with ripped up jersey’s and pants. I just don’t agree with the fact that new uniforms designs are gonna magicly make all the problems go away. Anybody think that if they were wearing a new uniform they’d have not lost the games they did this year? Those loses were from not being prepared to play, not because they didn’t look good.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
I don't disagree
But it becomes a big time recruiting tool. I’m not trying to insinuate that the current unis are terrible. I just don’t get all the animosity.
by SCKSChief on Jan 4, 2012 10:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
none towards you
it’s about tradition, the uni’s are part of it. I wouldn’t be against an alternate to wear once a year, but i am against 384,000 different combinations of uniforms just to get some kid in here who only wants to be here because he’d look cool in the new uniform, we need kids interested in tradition and the hard work that goes with being a champion. If they are a high level recruit they have NFL aspirations, a great team who can get them should be more important than a jersey.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
Exactly!
I want recruits who spent their childhood dreaming of wearing the crimson and cream, or in the least, kids who understand the tradition and hope to someday play a role in carrying on that tradition.
The crimson and cream means an awful lot to many of us. If a flashy uniform convinces you that your best opportunity lies with that school, then you’re not Sooner material to begin with.
by SoonerGoneEast on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
I play HS lacrosse
Recently at one of our tournaments, a team came in with the most ridiculous looking unis. They were also the best team in the tournament, compared to our middle of the road team. Most of our team was scared because they had the rep of a good team, but a lot of my teammates lost all fear and respect for them as soon as we saw them. Sure we lost, but those guys (myself included) who didn’t fear them had pretty good games and we had confidence because we couldn’t take them seriously with their ugly unis. They lacked that swag. Had they looked good, it may have been a different story.
by soonercowboy14 on Jan 4, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
50/50
I voted for the classics, but there is nothing wrong with changing it up a bit. The classics should always be our main jerseys but we should look into a cool new alternative.I loved Oregons helmets in the Rose Bowl!
I didn't like them
but then I don’t like Oregon, never have forgotten Sept 18, 2006.
"Nonsense. By all means, move." Doc Holliday, the movie Tombstone.
by kcsoonerfan on Jan 4, 2012 9:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I was at that game
I’ll never forget how excited they were about OU actually coming to their stadium, and how we brought more fans than USC. It was unreal how many people went out of their way to shake our hand and thank us for coming. Their fans treated us better than ANY opposing fan base….ever.
I’ll also never forget how so many Duck fans actually apologized for the way the Ducks won the game. They were some of the classiest fans I can ever recall.
by SoonerGoneEast on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well we did recover the onside kick.
The refs just didn’t believe us.
LOL. I cringe thinking of that replay.
No doubt
a lot of the Duck fans understood immediatly that it was a ridiculous call. They were happy to have won, but you could tell it hollowed the victory for a lot of them.
by SoonerGoneEast on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
I cringe every time
I see the head referee from that game! He reffed the sugar bowl last night
Lets go back to Omaha!!!
by SoonerBornSoonerBred on Jan 5, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
The Bama fans were great as well
Here and there.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
IMO
Somebody needs to sit down with them and teach them the men who faught to give you that crimson and cream. If they really look into OUr history they’ll realize how lucky they are to have this kind of tradition
I swear my allegiance to the crimson and cream, and lay down my effort to honor this team. The bell always awnsered, Ill fight through the pain and lift up my brother! To honor this game! I stand in the shadows of champions past and guard every inch of this hallowed grass. I train to remember although i may bleed. We live by the code, of the crimson and cream. Theres only one Oklahoma.
Dude.
It’s not THAT serious.
who faught to give you that crimson and cream
We are all college football fanatics here, but this is still just a game. The kids that are playing now are different than the kids who played before.
by 40A on Jan 5, 2012 6:13 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It make me wonder if they even watched the 2011 intro video.......
It was all about tradition and I loved it.
Here it is on youtube
Rumor has it that Texas is about to sign a huge corporate sponsorship deal for the Longhorn Network. They just have to decide which brand represents them best: Dyson, Eureka or Hoover.
I meant seriously he is right
Dumb idea to change
by OU JJ on Jan 5, 2012 12:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Glitzy uniforms are all about Corporate Sponsorship (and greed)
and have little to do with team pride or tradition or football or anything else.
I don't care how old you are, if you are choosing your college or where you are going to play based on what they wear
Then you are not mature enough to make that decision on your own. Do you think Alabama recruits say “man I wish we could wear those sick Georgia uni’s from the bsu game?” hell no. And we are a lot closer to ’bama in terms of elite programs than Oregon or the pukes ever will be.
If you want to be Oregon, TJ, where defense is an option go ahead. Coming to Oklahoma (or bama, texass, USC or even penn state) is about more than douche bag uni’s.
by OU JJ on Jan 5, 2012 7:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If I had any position on the staff or admin of the Sooner Foortabll team I would,
let every player and recruit know quite vociferously that no 19 year old kid was going to tell me how to run or dress out the football team. No likey, GTFO of here.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
by scarab on Jan 5, 2012 7:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's a great idea,
Go ahead and get the new uniforms, then don’t let them wear them in the games the first year… use them like a carrot on a stick, tell the little twits (players), if they win an NC they can take one uniform home with them to keep IF they win an NC.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Even as a Texas fan I don't want to see them change
You don’t mess with a great classic. Sure, you can update little things here and there, but I don’t want to have to look at some gaudy “swag” uniforms that aren’t actually swaggy but ugly as hell.
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