Bob Stoops makes the predictable and disappointing decision to hire Tim Kish
by jtesooner on Jan 24, 2012 6:33 PM CST
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UPDATE: OU makes it official.
Carey Murdock, of SoonerScoop, is reporting ($) that his sources have confirmed to him that Tim Kish will be the hire to replace Brent Venables as linebackers coach. According to Murdock, Kish is in the transition process of taking over his new responsibilities and settling into his soon to be new job. Kish, who Matt introduced you to last week, is familiar with what the Stoops brothers want to do on defense having recently with Mike Stoops at Arizona.
Despite interviewing Tyrone Nix this past weekend and the talk about him being an "up-and-comer" in coaching circles, Bob Stoops is dipping back into the "friend" bucket. It must be pretty damn sweet to be a friend/acquaintance of Bob Stoops huh? You know you're guaranteed a job with a six figure salary and that you'll never be unemployed for very long.
You can try and tell me all about how much this makes sense because of his history with Mike Stoops or how Kish won some kind of faux recruiting award 5-6 years ago or how the fact that the guy is pushing 60 won't prevent him from relating to 18-year olds. And I'll sit there and politely nod my head, knowing all along that with this reported hire all Bob Stoops has proven is that it's business as usual in the offices the Switzer Center.
I'll be ecstatic and order up an extra helping of crow if this proves to be a successful decision, but I just don't see it happening. I don't believe it will be a monumental failure or anything, but more along the lines of something that barely even registers. Which, for what we needed and where this program is currently at, is a total failure in my opinion. Bob had an opportunity to inject some excitement into this program, maybe by bringing in a younger up-and-coming assistant, someone who was young and hungry, looking to make a name for himself. Instead, we get this.
Maybe you all disagree with me and if so I welcome your opinion in the comments. I'm definitely not above being convinced that I'm wrong. Admittedly, it won't be an easy argument for you to win right now as you can probably tell I'm immensely disappointed with this decision but it's always fun to debate.
So there you have it people, what say you?
(Here is a link to Kish's bio if you want to read up on the guy).
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Not a single disappointing thing about this hire.
Don’t judge the guy just because he’s old. He’s an ace recruiter. He may not match-up with Venables in Texas, but the payoff in SoCal will even that out.
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You've got your opinion
I’ve got mine. I want to be wrong, you have no idea how much I want to be wrong. To be fair to him, this is as much about my feelings re: Bob and my question of his drive to be the best right now, so maybe I’m unfairly judging this hire through that lense. Which I would definitely be willing to admit.
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Yea, I never said you weren't entitled to one, don't worry.
But can I ask why you don’t like the hire? All you really listed was that he isn’t a young “up-and-comer” and
that the guy is pushing 60 won’t prevent him from relating to 18-year olds.
Being that CU is in the Pac-12 now and my bro went to Zona, I have heard a ton about him and a lot of people really like the guy:
https://twitter.com/#!/Andy_Staples/status/161888530665185280
https://twitter.com/#!/BryanDFischer/status/161913935195422721
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No worries
Here is my list:
- He’s old
- He’s white
- He has absolutely zero recruiting ties to TX
- Admittedly I don’t follow the Pac 10/12, so maybe I’m off base w/ this one but the one and only name I’m hearing used as a reference for his “recruiting prowess” is Rob Gronkowski. And while a very good one, it’s only one.
- My previously mentioned questioning of Bob just going the easy route b/c he’s too content
Given time maybe I’ll find more, maybe I’ll find things that make me change my mind. I’m not questioning whether or not he’s a great guy as the tweets you referenced and I’d also seen seem to suggest, but that doesn’t necessarily make him the right guy for this job. As I’m sure you’d agree the pressure and expectations at OU are a hell of a lot higher than they are at Arizona, so yeah I’m gonna wonder whether or not he can live up to them.
Again, maybe I’ll be wrong. I had a similar reaction to Lon Kruger’s hiring and have since come around. I’ve never claimed to be anything other than an OU fan, definitely not a professional or objective “journalist” and that’s pretty obvious in my take on things in the story I posted. If that makes me a moron, I can live with it. I write what I think/feel, certainly doesn’t always make me right and I’ll be the first one to tell you when I’m wrong. But you’ll never have to wonder what I really think and for me, I’m comfortable with that style of doing things.
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Those are all certainly reasonable enough
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Not to drone on
But I just want to be clear. I know it’s easy to infer from what I’ve said that I don’t think this can work and I don’t believe that’s accurate. I’m not so negative on it that I (1) don’t hope that it will work or (2) don’t think there is 0% chance of it working.
I’m just not excited about it. I think it was the boring, predictable choice. Sometimes boring and predictable is just what you need. I happen to think it’s the exact opposite of what this program needs right now, but I’m also not nearly as close to it or intelligent as Bob Stoops is. I’m definitely not arrogant enough to admit that.
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Boring and predictable works well for 'old people'
Bob is old, Kish is even older, I hope they eat their oatmeal and Melba toast together
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Lon Kruger has always, always been a first class B-Ball coach anyone school would want
now for our new defensive coach, every point you made is spot on. How is gray headed 60 yr old man going to relate to these players? He is not.
tweet schmeet, those mean nothing. nice guy…… everyone knows where nice guys finish.
This hire makes me ill.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Good point.
How is a 60 year old man going to relate to those players? I mean, that 80 year old gray haired man that just passed away NEVER got a decent recruit to come to State College….
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Oh, so our new LB coach is the next Joe Pa?
Ok
by herewegosooners on Jan 24, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Assuming that just because someone is 60 that they can’t recruit, coach, or recruit players is pure idiocy.
If you would like me to start a list of other 60+ head, coordinator, and position coaches that can recruit and coach their a**** off I would be more than happy to oblige.
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I never questioned his age...
I just thought you made a flawed comparision. This guy is no Joe Pa. My issue is that this guy coached a defense that gave up over 460 yards a game this season. He could be 18 for all I care.
by herewegosooners on Jan 24, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
No, you didn't, but Scarab did, and that's who I was responding to.
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Age is a valid concern here
Joe Pa was wise enough to hire YOUNG coaches too, to help relate to the players. This hire stinks to high hell of a good old boys’ club. Hard to take Stoops seriously now.
by SCKSChief on Jan 24, 2012 7:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
^this damn it this^
and I hope paterno is getting it put to him somewhere
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
I don't even want to consider the decrepit weasel faced Paterno
do you have any idea how many Monsters he let get created by Sandusky. No effin prisoners with me on this or him!
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
I am with you on this one JTE
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
JTE - I think this is an awesome move...
…for 9 out of 10 teams in the Big 12’ish.
This is a horrible coaching move. Expect more D position coaches to bolt from the land of Crimson and Creme…
Trying to stay positive... really I am....
but a song to the tune of “It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas” keeps going through my mind called…“It’s beginning to look a lot like 5 and 7”.
I'm a Sooner Born and a Sooner Bred, and when I die I'll be a Sooner Dead!!!
by DGiroux on Jan 24, 2012 3:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Unless our offensive goes "2008" on em'...
I’m afraid you are right. Our defense is on pace to get torched again. I just don’t get it… this is a terrible hire.
by herewegosooners on Jan 24, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Replicating Zona in Norman...
Sounds like some mighty smart thinking goin’ on round the Stoops dinner table…
I am on board.
Now impress me.
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
ok..
I would rather get good Texas kids as opposed to good SoCal kids. Maybe I just think every staff could use a young buck coach. Kish just doesn’t do it for me. Hope he does it for 17-18 year olds.
by mattsooner333 on Jan 24, 2012 3:45 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Me too.
But Nix didn’t have a whole lot of connections in Texas either.
Also, there’s a whole lot of new, shiny competition in Texas (TCU, Baylor, SEC) which (as much as I hate to say it… see Oregon’s dumb uni’s) 17 and 18 year olds like.
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Would rather have an SEC retread
Than a Pac12 version. Terrible defense at Arizona. Horrid.
by SCKSChief on Jan 24, 2012 7:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like the hire. Gotta believe Bob, and especially Mike, think he's the best guy for job.
If Mike is the guy most everyone on this sight wanted to run the D, then it makes sense that we’d trust him on who he gets to help run his D.
After this crap
It’s real tough for me to believe anything Bob says.
by SCKSChief on Jan 24, 2012 7:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's actually an interesting way to look at it.
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Well...
I agree we needed a shake up on defense, but I don’t agree on bringing everyone responsible for AZ’s defenses to Norman. Venables and Martinez coached the 62nd ranked defense, Stoops and Kish coached the 110th ranked defense.
I would have been a lot more omptomistic if we could have mixed and matched.
by herewegosooners on Jan 24, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
With a completely different class of players, mind you.
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Okay, so now we know...
What did they offer in Arizona that can be successful at OU? I’m not criticising, I’m just ignorant of his capabilities as a LB coach. Anyone up for educating the dumb guy?
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Not totally sold...
…but I trust in ol’ Stoopsie. He likes to win. Gotta think he believes in the guy our trusts in his brothers judgement. We won’t know how well the man does until a season is under his belt anyway. Besides OU brings in talent Arizona can only dream about. Maybe he can work some Sooner Magic-just have to wait and see!
okie swag
by okie.swag on Jan 24, 2012 4:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't trust in any of em anymore
This song and dance are getting real old.
by SCKSChief on Jan 24, 2012 7:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
really
im a sooners fan from the switzer era this hire is a joke all we hear is how defense wins championships and yet we always go futher away from a good one if this guy is good why did his defense give up so many yards is this not what just left ou i understand your friends but championships is championships and you wont get there unless you have the best and this is not the best we could have had a sec linebackers coach to teach our defense how to punish another team but i guess we at ou dont want championships anymore we just like winning 10 games a year
he did post a mouthful
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
when writing, periods are good things
but please don’t follow me because I mis-speel practically everything every time.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Well maybe he can teach people to not over pursue
And play themselves out of position. Or how to tackle with out being injured every other game.
How’s that for positive?
Hater.
by OU JJ on Jan 24, 2012 4:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions
nah not hater, just very opinionated :-)
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Love the sig!
I hate this hire also.
Hater 2.0
by SCKSChief on Jan 24, 2012 7:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But I make a valid point.
Can he coach fundamentals.
by OU JJ on Jan 24, 2012 9:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Your point IS valid
This defense (and offense as well) have long been missing fundamentals, which has proven very costly.
I still beolieve in "Trust No One"
I don’t trust BS at this time. He is always looking out for his friends or friends of friends. For what it worth BS I am a friend of a friend of your second cousins girlfriends bother’s dad’s uncle! I want a six figure job.
I am not on board, texass recruits aside I really don’t like the idea of a bunch of self-entitled SoCali recruits. It’s not done much for OU lately. AZ defense never stopped anyone, and I guarantee you he will not relate to any of the young players on the team.
I can not believe we the people of the “OU Monster” have to put up with this crap.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Oh, so we lost games because we have three kids from California on the team?
Someone please explain to me why these kids bring so much hate from people on here. Because they have funky hairstyles, talk on twitter and like many young people are attracted to shiny new unis? From what I have seen these guys love the University of Oklahoma and love being Sooners. Recruits love them and I would really hate to imagine next year’s defense w/o Tony Jefferson.
That being said I think we dropped the ball by not hiring Nix. That is a young, hungry coach who has a proven track record with inferior players and he could probably could take over DC responsibilities should Mike Stoops move on. Besides BS coming back, seems like its been all bad news this off season.
by BoomerWolverine on Jan 24, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
So like Scott Pioli in KC
If they don’t have a Parcells/NE connection, no coach has a shot with thhe Chiefs. Same is coming true in Norman apparently. It’s effing BS!
by SCKSChief on Jan 24, 2012 10:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So....
We hired a guy that came from a team that had obvious defensive issues…
Everyone keeps talking about recruiting. I’d rather have a mediocre recruiter with a damn good defensive scheme to go with it, than some guy that comes from Arizona that was ranked 110 in total defense… I cut Mike slack because he was the HC and not “really” in control of the D. What has Kish done recently to get this job? At OU? Well, I can answer that .. he’s a friend.
I think Nix would have injected some well needed fire into this crew and some great SEC insight. This hire is very disappointing from my perspective.
Yeah he sucks
We should have gotten Saban or Belichek or Chuck Noll. Nah those guys are too old.
by Sooner71 on Jan 24, 2012 5:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions
apparently
You are old. You seem to take offense to people’s issue with his age.
by mattsooner333 on Jan 24, 2012 6:35 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Being Old is an old mindset and old attitude
some have it fewer don’t.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Great comparison....
Saban won his 3rd BCS championship, Bellicheck is playing for his 4th Super Bowl ring…. and you compare them to a guy who coached a 110th ranked defense that went 4-8
by herewegosooners on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
It's called sarchasm. Google it.
I honestly don’t know much about Tim Kish and nobody here does either except for the raw numbers from last season. Maybe the defenses sucked, maybe they had a lot of injuries, maybe they were just a really young team. Honestly I don’t care or have the time to look into it, but I recall that when he was the interim coach at Arizona after MS was fired, he did a decent job of keeping the team together for the rest of the season and even won a few games. That shows me that he works well in the face of adversity, which shows strong character. If Bob and Mike think he’s a good fit for the job, then that’s fine with me and I am not a blind loyalist to Stoops.
If his age is a problem, as it appears to be for some of our fellow posters, then maybe we should fire Jackie Shipp and Bobby Jack Wright as well because they are just too damn old.
Have a happy day everyone.
As long as we're Googling
we may as well spell it correctly. “Sarcasm”.
Sorry. Dick move, I know. Carry on.
At a loss for words, almost
This is my first ever post here. I have been content this season to hold all my anger inside but I just can’ t do it anymore. All I can say is WTF is going on with this team. Are they trying to fail???
Sorry it had to take this to bring you out
But we’re still happy to have you. I think you know from my post that I’m not excited about this at all either. I know it’s sacrilege to question Stoops, but I’m seriously beginning to wonder (and it’s not just this year) if he still has the drive to be the best in the country and win us #8.
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Discovered CCM just before this season in my quest to find info about OU while living in PAC12 land in Vegas. Followed all year and languished with everyone else. I am just so worried our beloved Sooners are heading back to the 90’s. Sometimes retro can be cool but definitely not in this case.
It shouldn't be
He should be accountable like every other coach in the country, he can be questioned. There are many people who don’t think this is the best hire, and as fans we have the right to expect the best from OU, it’s been ingrained in us. In my opinion if he doesn’t wanna be questioned he needs to win big again, it’s been to long.
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Why? Why? Why?: We are on pace to be worse than Texass over the next 5 years...
Our offensive talent is dieing off, our recruting fture doesn’t look too bright, and 3 of Stoops’ last 4 hires have been head scratching.
We basically just traded OU’s defense (which wasn’t great, but good at times) for Arizona’s defense (which was much worse).
by herewegosooners on Jan 24, 2012 5:51 PM CST reply actions
oh look, remedial school is out.
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screw You and the horse you rode in on
time for you to go back to stoolwater
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
scarab - NOT an animal lover
Not like Thomas Lyle Wilson (aka CowboyKS) anyway…
Rumor has it that Texas is about to sign a huge corporate sponsorship deal for the Longhorn Network. They just have to decide which brand represents them best: Dyson, Eureka or Hoover.
by It'sTheVoice on Jan 24, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yes I know....
It’s just there are so many possibilities with the “news” of the strange variety regarding horses
by OU JJ on Jan 25, 2012 2:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really?
Our recruiting future looks good, and we have talent coming up on offense that most other teams would kill to get.
by ClarkusKentus on Jan 24, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
That's one side of the ball...
not looking to good on defense lately. And I doubt this hire will help. We have talent on defense for the next two years, but who knows what we will have after thath.
by herewegosooners on Jan 24, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
So, for everyone who is convinced this is a bad hire.....
Was it a bad idea to bring back Mike Stoops or not?
Do you trust Mike’s judgment or not?
Do you really think that there is anyway that the Stoops’ would bring in a guy if they didn’t believe he was the best man for the job?
Look, you are entitled to your opinion. I just find it interesting that the vast majority of the folks on this site were clamoring for Mike to come back and take charge of the Defense and now that he has, a great many of you seem to think he doesn’t know what he’’s doing. Which is it? I think some of you would complain if God resurrected Vince Lombardi just to coach the Sooners.
I am not ready to say it was bad yet to bring back Mike....but
I was in the minority that thought it was a great idea to bring back Mike. On paper it sounds great but I am terribly worried about the cronyism and nepotism going on in this program. What’s next? A sex scandal. If I remember Mikes past correctly, it may not be out of the question soon. In my opinion, it is this very type of hire that is breeding complacency. Will Bob hold his brother to the same standards? I doubt it. Will Mikes buddy also get a free pass. For a while, I think yes. To me it is starting to look like the place for Bob and his brother and their buddies to hang out until they want to retire. I hope I am horribly wrong! The only saving grace of this maybe being good is that there seems to be no objection from JoeC or Boren. They may be part of the problem as well.
Who's the head coach at OU
Bob or Mike – this should be Bob’s choice not Mike’s
Team FIRST, Effort SECOND, Talent THIRD, Selfish NEVER
FYI, I never ever asked for MS to come back
I know many did, but I posted several times against it.
This Kish crap is almost too much. Yes I think Bob and Mike would bring a buddy, good ol’ boy, friend and pay him a ton of money and take the easy way out.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
I'm very nearly physically ill over this whole deal
It’s just an additional slight to the fanbase after the disaster of a season, mismanagement of the personnel and bungling of recruiting. No faith in Bob at this point. None.
Dean at it again. BOB KISH and his reliable sources.
"@DeanBlevins: Reliable source who knows new #OU LB Coach Bob Kish: “I love the guy; personable; loyal; great recruiter in SoCal. Will out-recruiit Nix.”"
by mattsooner333 on Jan 24, 2012 6:36 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Here's my issue w/ this
The odds of him getting 5-10 kids out of CA every year, IMO, are much, much, much lower than bringing in a guy with TX ties and them pulling 5-10 (or more) kids out of TX.
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Dean is a doosh..
I am really so sick of hearing him spew his crap on WWLS. The guy is more worried about attending Bob’s cocktail parties (Dean drinks Ice Tea) than he is actually REPORTING about OU.
Dean said tonight “I heard within circles that Nix was lazy and a horrible recruiter..” So Dean, how do you explain taking someone from the 110th ranked defense? Can you? It’s called cronyism.. and let me ask you this “Dean the dream”. Were there NO ONE BETTER candidates than these two? That’s the BEST OU could do? Are you kidding me? Just because the guy can recruit CALI? Seriously? How about CAN HE COACH? Based on his record, I’d say that’s up in the air.
Sorry guys for venting, but this crap has got to stop. When will the media hold Stoops accountable? If he were on the East or West coasts, he’d be toast by now…
I will always remember after the horrible playing against TT … Instead of “Bob, why did you play so terrbily? How were you beaten on so many levels by TT?” … He asked Bob the toughest question of the day .. “Bob, can you describe your relationship with Bill Snyder?”
Hold him accountable?
For a hire that has been on the staff for a single day?
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You missed the whole point...
I was saying that Stoops is never questioned on anything and that the media in OK always goes “Well, if Bob says it is good, then it must be!”
When is the media going to question things like hires, game decisions, things like that?
Bob just brought over a guy that was a part of the 110th rated defense in the country. How can someone not question that?
by OmarInTulsa on Jan 25, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Ultimately only time will tell if this was a good hire
but on the surface it just smacks of same-o-same -o. I hope he recruits his ass off and brings in bigger, faster, stronger linebackers. Bigger stronger, faster is what OU needs at ALL positions IMO. They’re hard to find, but if this guy is such a stud, just bring me ONE and I might be happy.
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Agreed
I don’t like this as much as the next guy but, here we are. If he can do a come in and recruit well and do a good job with the LB’s that’s outstanding. I would have rather them went after somebody who has a track record of recruiting texas, because we’ve only survived that way for years. I would also have rather it been somebody who came from a D that has been playing well, but there’s nothing we can do now but wait and hope that Bob was right in this choice.
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and guess where they grow those type of kids?
SEC country. Now they do have them on the left coast but they are always committed USC. Look at the rosters in the PAC 12. Who as the biggest and fastest D. USC.
Kish will be lucky to get one or two a year and they will be the seconds. Guarantee you.
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All engines shot and we're going down
If Kish really wants to help OU he needs happily Decline the job.
kish my foot
I’m ready to smoke some real Kush
gooooooooooooooood niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Gracie!
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
mayday! mayday!
I appreciate the people who will stick up for bob and mike to the end BUT if mike never coached with Kish I doubt he wouldve ever been considered. That’s the problem I have. And as so many have pointed out, AZ defense has sucked. I know it was with lesser talent but it was also in the pac12 where they were bottom dwellers in the conference. Makes no sense to hire him. I will never believe that Kish was on a short list of coaches wanting to come to OU to coach. No freakin way!!
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I totally agree
if there is any positive, and it’s the last thing I’d refer to as a “positive”, it’s that they won’t have to worry about this guy leaving in a year or three. He’ll never be a candidate anywhere else, unless Mike Stoops takes another HC job, and we all know w/ Bob he’ll have a job here for as long as he wants it.
Yippie!!!!!!
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Danger. Danger.
OU is going 0-12 next year because of this hiring and will sink into John Blake land soon.
um, ok
I love these kind of stupid posts. Nobody here is saying that. Just because a lot of us are disappointed in the hire doesn’t mean we’re anywhere near something this stupid. And trying to insinuate that we are is just dumb IMO.
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There is another problem with Arizona football team that no one has brought up.
AU has a higher standard grade wise than most of the PAC12. So they will not get the quality recruits other schools get.
Yeah it's a lot higher than say
Stanford or Cal huh? USC is also not a cake walk. I would say they are top 6 (?) in terms of getting into? And my knowledge is only based on what I know of graduate programs…. Maybe 5th hardest?
by OU JJ on Jan 25, 2012 3:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I call "bullcrap!"
SAT Requirements for athletes by Pac-10 school:
Cal 1095
Washington 1046
UCLA 1028
Oregon 1018
Arizona 1017
Oregon State 1012
Arizona State 1003
Washington State 994
Stanford & USC are private and don’t have to list that information, but the average for Stanford in 2008 was 1123. Was not able to find requirements for USC.
Also, for 2008 the average GPA for Pac-10 football players were as follows:
Stanford: 3.63
UCLA: 3.15
Oregon: 2.94
Cal: 2.93
Wash: 2.86
Ore St: 2.84
USC: 2.80
Wash St: 2.80
Ariz: 2.76
Ariz St: 2.76
The 2008 average SAT scores for football players was:
Stanford: 1176
UCLA: 990
Cal: 984
Ore: 969
Wash: 963
USC: 955
Ariz: 948
Ariz St: 937
Ore St: 928
Wash St: 920
I don't know what the requirements are for USC & Stanford are for athletes
But I made a 1460 & was worried when I applied to both…
by OU JJ on Jan 25, 2012 7:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No disagreement here
We had a chance at some pretty exciting hires like Nix or Randy Shannon, and we hire this goober who incidentally, got Mike Stoops fired because his players couldn’t play a lick of defense. 110th in total defense and 107th in scoring defense? I thought the idea was to improve ourselves on defense, not make things worse. God help us if Mike Stoops leaves and Bob decides to make this dork our DC.
If Mike Stoops leaves...
Bob will find another one of his Ohio/Iowa buddies and make their dreams come true.
by herewegosooners on Jan 25, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions
Hello everyone
Hate to say it but bob is to “nice” to say NO to a friend on giving him a 6 figure salary. People bust their buts everyday for a 5 figure salary and these guys he hires get lucky just cause they are a friend. Nix should be the new LB coach and bring those big mean hitting Linebackers we used to have i.e: Torrence marshal, Lehman, rocky calmus etc.. Only time will tell what our true fate will be. If this choice doesn’t work I can’t see how President boren or Joe c. Could let the recklessness go on. Let’s all say the sooner prayer and home some magic is sprinkled on this guy cause if not all
Of our asses will be hurting.
by Soonerfrk1 on Jan 25, 2012 10:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
The more I think about this hire..
… the more I say .. WTF?
We bring a guy in that can “somewhat” recruit in SoCal… and was part of a DISASTROUS defense in Arizona .. and has no ties to our biggest recruiting ground .. Texas.
Yep, this was a great hire alright. I guess there was no one out there more qualified than him. I mean, with that resume, how could you not pass this gem up?! Cronyism at its best…
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