Who Is Tim Kish And Why Should He Be Oklahoma's Leading Candidate To Coach Linebackers?
by ccmachine on Jan 19, 2012 11:58 PM CST
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There are several names swirling around in regards to Oklahoma's next linebackers' coach but the one that is popping up more often than not is Tim Kish. It really shouldn't be much of a surprise to Sooner fans that his name keeps popping up and many would place him as the leading candidate. He's energetic and he's good friends with Mike Stoops but is he qualified?
The short answer is yes! Look, we've already discussed that Oklahoma isn't going to find someone to be everything that Brent Venables was to this team and football program. That said, Kish could be pretty close. He had coached with Mike Stoops at Arizona since 2004 and when Stoops was let go this last season it was Kish who was tabbed as the interim.
Prior to being named as the interim head coach at Arizona he was the defensive coordinator and linebackers coach. Since 2004 he has coached Spencer Larsen to being a first team All Conference selection. In addition he's had three other linebackers receive various conference awards. In the 2007 and 2008 seasons his linebackers recorded 20 plus tackles in a game twelve times.
When it comes to recruiting Kish has high marks in that area as well. He was named as a national Top 25 recruiter from 2004-2006 and has built a reputation as one of the top recruiters in college football.
It just makes sense that Kish gets a look by the Stoops' brothers. Not just because of his grass roots as an "Ohio Boy" and a friend to Mike. He should also get a look because he's clearly qualified.
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I hate to be the one to ask this
But shouldn’t it matter that those Arizona defenses couldn’t stop old ladies from crossing the street?
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
by leatherneck1061 on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 AM CST reply actions
The Sooners defense looked like that at times this year.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
exactly...
so to piggyback on leatherneck’s point. why wouldn’t we want to get better?
by herewegosooners on Jan 20, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Cause you can't hire your friends?
It seems logical to want to improve, but sometimes it appears that Bob only wants to hire guys that he knows personally. To me that is a crappy approach. Reminds me of the way Scott Pioli is running the Chiefs, and I hate it.
I also agree that Stoops needs to stop prmoting his buddies...
but my point (and I believe leatherneck’s point) is… friend or no friend this is would ber a bad hire. Being UA’s DC was is nothing to boost about when you saw them on the field. This would not be an improvenment IMO, I think I may have not stated my comments clearly.
by herewegosooners on Jan 20, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
the overall success of the defense is not a reflection specifically on his ability to coach linebackers. that being said, his reputation as a linebackers coach seems pretty good from what was stated in the article and seems to be a good recruiter. we’re not asking the guy to be our DC. we’re asking him to be the linebackers coach which he seems qualified to do. seems like a good hire to me
by profoundnotions on Jan 20, 2012 9:02 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
nevermind didn’t see everything else
by profoundnotions on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Different talent pool and we need a good recruiter
we also need a guy that has a strong presence recruiting one of the 3 big football states (tx, cali, florida)… in the case, california.
"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer
that should be the first thing looked at when scouting for an LB Coach
this guy appears to suck at his job as much as Martinez did at his.
I vote 3 thumbs down.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
First off
They performed pretty well at times for a whole season during his tenure at Arizona. And he shouldn’t be judged on the whole defense, because we won’t be asking him to coach the whole defense. The main thing we have to look at – how did his LBs do?
I’m agnostic on Tim Kish and would obviously prefer somebody else, but I doubt we’ll get a former HC to come in and be a position coach at OU at the last second. That’s the worst thing of all this, the timing.
by ClarkusKentus on Jan 20, 2012 7:56 AM CST up reply actions
What makes this whole thing stink
is when it is combined with the loss of BV. I said on another thread and I’ll repeat here, the odds of us getting anything as good as what we lost are slim. The fact that everyone’s response is “Tim Who?” does not inspire confidence.
Yeah, I’m being too demanding probably and completely unreasonable, but after this season’s performance and the loss of our DC, we need something that is gonna inspire a lot more confidence than this.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
by leatherneck1061 on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
The hope is that the re-addition of Mike Stoops
plus BV’s replacement will more than make up for the loss of Venables. We’ll see over the next few years, I guess.
by ClarkusKentus on Jan 20, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Here is the bottom line
with OU’s stature and tradition we should not have to settle a no-name type of guy. We should not be in the business of building people resumes or function as a coaching training ground. It is hard to believe that we can only get a 2nd tier position type of coach.
Bob is selling OU short if he takes this route. The school, not Bob, deserves and should demand top tier coaches for it’s CFB staff.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
I would write a comment, but...
leatherneck1061 took the words right out of my mouth/keyboard
by herewegosooners on Jan 20, 2012 12:53 AM CST reply actions
Sorry, but to me this reeks of the expected and unwanted Stoops cronyism
The recruiting prowess from 2006 that was mentioned was a long time ago in the world of recruiting high school athletes.
He’s going on 60.
Does he have any serious recruiting ties to the state of Texas? Because if not, then he’d be immediately eliminated in my book. This must be a major priority for any replacement IMO.
Maybe I’m wrong, I believe I was with Lon Kruger, but I’ll be really disappointed if Tim Kish is the hire.
I'm with you there
I don’t want Kish. I want a guy with a name and a real resume. I want Randy Shannon, first and foremost. If it isn’t him, I want them to look to the NFL. Who knows, there is a really good LB coach in Kansas City who, if he doesn’t get the DC tag there (I suspect he will) might make a nice addition to the staff…not to mention a triumphant return to Norman!
For those that are unaware, that guy in KC is Gary Gibbs.
Definitely agrre the not wanting Kish
Shannon above him, but NO Gibbs. GG was a good Defensive Coach at OU and OU’s D when he coaching for the King were awesome but I am telling you guys and gals, it never works out to ‘go back home’.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
But what abou
Mike Stoops is “coming back home.” Do you not expect it to work out?
Exactly!!!!!
A hire like this makes no sense unless the goal is to provide good jobs for your friends. Life in Norman is clearly more blissful than I once thought.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
by leatherneck1061 on Jan 20, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I like 'em
He has my haircut (though he needs his tightened up a bit).
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
I know this:
There are plenty of young, dynamic coaches who are toiling away at places to get their feet in the doors. Go get one of them. They “get” kids mentality & can be shaped. Football has changed since this dude & Gibbs were in their prime.
There are even plenty of former players to go around coaching at small schools.
by OU JJ on Jan 20, 2012 7:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Agree with the skepticism RE: Kish
If Kish is the hire, then we’re in for a not bright future. Every point made on him so far has been accurate. He doesn’t really bring anything we need.
My ideal hires after reflection are Tony Tademy and Mike Tressell. Tademy has been kicking tail at TCU, but with TCU joining the Big 12 next year, he might see that as a lateral move. Mike Tressell is at Michigan State, and OU is no doubt a step up from there. Plus, he comes with the added bonus of being a special teams coach.
Randy Shannon won’t be happy here having been a head coach of a team that beat OU just 3 years ago. That’s a long way to fall. I’m not saying he wouldn’t come here, I’m saying it’s not ideal. Jim Leavitt is a great coach, but he seems like he’s really enjoying the NFL. It’s probably a nice change of pace from the insane scrutiny of college ball.
Agree on Randy Shannon
But at the same time, he’s a coach without a job right now. You’d have to think a job would beat no job, even if he would prefer to get a HC gig somewhere.
by ClarkusKentus on Jan 20, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah I agree
But wouldn’t it be a really positive use of cronyism if Bob Stoops could convince Leavitt to come?
by ClarkusKentus on Jan 20, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
As crazy and unlikely as this is
I want Randy Shannon
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Sorry CC but i gotta agree with the majority here
I would rather have somebody who at the very least is coming from a successful defense. Not a lot more to add because there have been some great points already made in this thread
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
I want Randy Shannon or Jim Leavitt
I read above about Mike Tressel. What we need is a good coach, which Teessel has. (he has coached some talented LBs as of late) Or we can get a fantastic recruiter like Shannon, who is still a decent coach. Or we can get a guy like Leavitt who can recruit guys and claim that he was an NFL DC and use that as a tool to lure guys in.
I hear you, man
Leavitt doesn’t seem like he WANTS to come back to coaching D1 football. Getting Leavitt to come here is like getting Brent V to stay. Some guys just want something different at a certain point in their lives.
I’m onboard with Shannon, but I don’t know if he’s familiar enough with Mike’s scheme. He’s got the acumen to get familiar fast, and he’s a heck of a pipeline to Florida. But, at best, he’s here 2 years.
My thoughts also, jte
I think it’s going to be much like the Mike Leach situation. Leavitt will have to stay out of the public eye for 3 or 4 years, bide his time, and someone will get desperate. He’s coaching in a beautiful city, making very good money, and he’s not having to deal with crap from college administrators or helicopter parents. There’s no reason for him to come to OU for anything less than co-DC with play calling.
IDIOTS
You people are so dumb it’s sickening. You can’t judge a coach right away like you do to Kish. This season didn’t go well because his top 4 defensive players were out all year. He coached his mostly self recruited defense to three straight bowl games. He has coached with a lot of great teams in the Big 10. He’s experienced and doesn’t have baggage like most other options. As for you people saying he isn’t a great recruiter…he recruits to Arizona. That’s hard to do and he still created a winning team. Kish recruited Rob Gronkowski! Ever heard of him? Oh yeah he is doing alright. Know your stuff before you say ridiculous things about a man. He’s a GREAT hire!
Yes, actually you can judge a coach right away.
It’s called their “body of work”. For instance, the Cal Golden Bears aren’t perennial contenders. They’re not even perennial pretenders. But Tosh Lupoi was hauling in talent to that school like he was paying for it. So we know he’s got the goods when it comes to recruiting.
Tim Kish isn’t an awful hire. OU could do worse, but he’s certainly not the best OU can do. I don’t think he should be OU’s #1 choice.
Well i guess thats a way to make an impression with your first comment ever.
There are a lot of people on this board who know their stuff, but I guess go with an insult when you disagree if you like. Kish is not the worst possible hire they could make, but he’s not the best either. And if thats what you’re arguing you are the idiot. There are plenty of coaches around who have a better track record than he does. Thats why most of the people commenting would rather have somebody else.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
Blah blah blah blah....
What did this fool say?? He lost my interest completely after his very first word.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
by leatherneck1061 on Jan 21, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
I am a genius and I don't know crap about anything
but I do know that when you pay a HC 5MIL a year, pay your co-ordinators 400+K a year that you don’t go hiring people at the 100K a year level. You do get what you pay for. I honestly think hiring Kish would be equivalent to hiring a 2nd tier coach.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
recruiting
Is what we need! Mike Stoops had some great defenses in his era at OU with some guys that were not considered top recruits! I believe he will have the whole defense (including linebackers) fitting where they need to and playing hard. So if this guy from Zona can bring in some great recruits then I’m fine with letting Mike coach them up. I also feel like Randy Shannon would be a great recruiter so I feel like either of those guys would be a win.
by jahrider on Jan 20, 2012 11:53 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Someone on an OU message board
Posted that they saw the coaches out to lunch today w/ Bell, the two recruits who are in town, and Tim Kish was with them. If true, it would pretty much guarantee IMO that Kish is getting the LB coach job. Which would be an incredibly poor and yet utterly predictable decision by Bob Stoops.
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Tyrone Nix is also in town
Per the twitter-verse. Looks like Stoops wants this done STAT.
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