Trying to find the logic behind the lack of defensive recruits in OU's 2012 class
Here we stand, exactly two weeks away from signing day, and as it stands today Oklahoma has just five verbal commitments from defensive players projected to be a part of their 2012 class. Some OU fans who follow recruiting are fairly alarmed by this and wondering why the OU coaches have seemingly made defense in this year's recruiting class a non-priority. In an effort to help those people, and really just any OU fan in general who is looking ahead to next season, I thought it would be beneficial to try and find the logic behind what the coaches might be thinking.
The most prevalent argument I've heard for why they're taking the approach that they are is that OU has a bunch of youth/depth on the defensive side of the ball so defense isn't a priority in this year's class. As we get into this I think you'll see in some cases that is probably true and in others not so much.
Before we get started though, let me make at least one thing clear. In my opinion, in recruiting, you're really working for a year or more likely two years down the road. Admittedly, this isn't some brilliant theory exclusive to me but that also doesn't take anything away from the fact that it's true. It's obviously unrealistic, especially at a program like Oklahoma, to expect a freshman class to come in and win multiple starting/impact spots on either/both sides of the ball. The 2010 class for OU was a clear anomaly and while more than welcome, just not something that happens on even a semi-regular basis.
So keep that in mind was we move forward because based on that theory alone, I cannot make sense of what the coaches are doing with this class on the defensive side.
We're going to look at each individual defensive position and give you the total number of 'bodies' on campus as well as any current 2012 recruits. We'll also give you the number of players who will be gone after the 2012 season, including any possible early departures for NFL glory, to try and help give you a sense of the bigger picture and how set/screwed OU may be at a particular position following this coming season. I think you'll be able to follow along pretty easily, so let's get started.
Defensive Ends:
Bodies - 9
Seniors - 3 (King, Washington, & Mitch Williams)
Possible early departures - 0
Breakdown minus seniors/departures - 1 Fr. (Tapper), 2 RFr. (Hughes, Tate), 2 RSo. (Grissom, Ndulue), 1 Jr. (Nelson)
As you can see, plenty of youth behind King/Washington and this is actually one of the few positions on defense that the Sooners have commitments from in the 2012 class. JUCO signee Chaz Nelson is already on campus, super raw but high upside Charles Tapper is likely on his way, and the Sooners are getting in late on Michael Onuoha. Now the coaches clearly need to get some of these young guys on the field to get them some valuable game time so they're not starting two totally green players in 2013, but DE is not a position I feel the coaches are neglecting with this 2012 class.
Defensive Tackles:
Bodies - 6
Seniors - 3 (Walker, McGee, & McFarland)
Possible early departures - 0
Breakdown minus seniors/departures - 1 Fr. (Wade), 2 RFr. (Anderson, Phillips)
Here is the first of a couple positions where I can't help but feel the coaches are really dropping the ball with this 2012 class. Not to take anything away from the three freshman above because I think Phillips and Wade could be stars (I'll get to Anderson in a sec), but you're looking at graduating three seniors at the end of this year and we're not even sniffing at any 2012 DTs recruits?!? Not to mention, knowing these OU coaches, the three seniors will probably get somewhere around 99% of the snaps this coming season so you'd be looking at 2013 with a roster full of DTs who have likely never played a meaningful snap. Ever.
I mentioned Wade and Phillips before and I didn't intend to slight Anderson as he was also highly regarded when he signed with OU. It's just he kind of reminds me of Jamarkus McFarland and not in the sense that he's not a fan of UT hosted parties with women romancing each other, but in the sense that he could be more of a late bloomer. However, looking at where this team might be in 2013 he might not have that luxury.
(Ed. note - The 'bodies' number does not include Torrea Peterson and Josh Aladenoye who are both believed to be back with the team, but still in the process of earning their way back. They may eventually accomplish this, but at this point I think it would be premature to include them in any future plans for this team.)
Linebackers:
Bodies - 13
Seniors - 3 (Ibiloye, D. Franklin, Bird)
Possible early departures - 1 (Wort)
Breakdown minus seniors/departures - 1 Fr. (Striker), 3 RFr. (Taylor, Shannon, Lindley), 1 So. (Jones), 3 RSo. (Favors, A. Franklin, Gastelum), 1 Jr. (Nelson),
This is another position for the 2012 class where the OU coaches seem to have no interest in recruiting for some unknown reason. Technically, they have one LB recruit in Eric Striker but he's really more in that infamous hybrid LB/S mold so he doesn't really qualify as a true LB IMO. And to be perfectly frank, I have no clue what these coaches are trying to do with their LBs in general. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, changes with the LB position now that Mike Stoops is back.
So you've got Ibiloye and Bird who are both solid contributors leaving and while I don't think it would happen, you can't just assume that Wort comes back for his senior season. Worst case scenario, which as far as I'm concerned is how you have to approach recruiting as a coach, you'd be looking at Corey Nelson as the only returning player with any kind of experience.
I know the coaches are high on Shannon and Lindley. Kellen Jones played as a true freshman who transferred to OU very late, so there is something to be said for that. Personally, I'd really like to see Aaron Franklin and Rashod Favors get a shot at some point, but they've both been on campus for two years and have never played a single meaningful down at LB.
Cornerbacks:
Bodies - 7
Seniors - 2 (Hurst, L. Harris)
Possible early departures - 0
Breakdown minus seniors/departures - 1 Fr. (Peterson), 1 FRr. (Okotcha), RSo. (Wilson), 2 Jr. (Powell, Everett)
This position is a little different, in that the Sooners have two commitments (Peterson & Everett) but does looking at those names above worry anyone else as much as it does me? Maybe, depending on what could happen, you put Gabe Lynn there (I feel he's a safety) or maybe you move Aaron Colvin back there, but at the moment corner is looking pretty scary for 2013.
Safeties:
Bodies - 5
Seniors - 1 (J. Harris)
Possible early departures - 1 (Jefferson)
Breakdown minus seniors/departures - 1 RSo. (Hayes), 2 Jr. (Lynn, Colvin)
Um, yeah. This is where that whole "screwed" thing comes in big time. As baffling as any position in the 2012 class with respect to why on earth the coaches wouldn't be targeting multiple prospects. Maybe you put Striker here instead of LB, as I'd expect, but that's still only one guy and the numbers above are obviously including Lynn who is in there based on my own opinion not on anything the coaches have said about him making the switch.
I probably scared/upset some people including Jefferson in that early departures section, but like Wort you can't just assume he comes back. If I had to put money on it, I'd say he plays four years in the crimson and cream but he's playing in the NFL and it's just a matter of when not if.
I also think Colvin could have been included there because I believe he's an NFL caliber corner, but since he very likely won't play there next year I don't think he'll get the interest from NFL scouts that he deserves. From a greedy perspective, that's good for OU fans because I think it all but guarantees he's back for his senior year in 2013.
So as we close this thing out, you can see that there are several positions where the Sooners could very much benefit from some additions that appear not to be coming in this 2012 class. I love what OU is doing with this 2012 class on offense, but I can't help to feel like the defensive side of the ball is being neglected pretty significantly. Don't get me wrong though, I like what they've done I just think we need more of it. I think both JUCO guys will definitely contribute. I think the other three current commits will all have to redshirt, but definitely have the talent to play at Oklahoma.
To borrow Stoops' favorite line, 'in the end' I'm not sure this made any of you feel any better (probably worse would be my guess), but hopefully in at least some small way it helped to explain some things as we get ready to close out this 2012 recruiting class in two weeks.
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I really don't understand the lack of DT recruits
We’re a Dan Noble concussion type situation from having zero backups for both starting DTs in 2013. That, or we’re banking on some stud DT recruits who can play lots of meaningful snaps as true freshmen.
I Didn't See You Mention
anything about instability or the like with the defensive coaches. Martinez gone, Mikey back, Venables rumored to be leaving, … I wonder how much the coaches are having difficulty finding recruits in this late hour due to these events on our coaching staff. just sayin …
Maybe
but this was an issue before Mike Stoops was fired at Arizona. Was there coaching instability earlier than that ?
by ClarkusKentus on Jan 18, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Well, that only happened just recently
And aside from the De’Vante Harris situation, it has really affected anything for the reasons mentioned above in that they just aren’t going after that many defensive recruits.
IMO
My biggest fear is based on what I have seen over the last few years.
The defensive philosophy has CHANGED – they have given in to defending the “spread” offense that other teams in the conference are running instead of doing what OU used to do and that was SMACK YOU IN THE MOUTH.
Three man d-line is intended to defend the pass and HAS NOT WORKED. Is it players or scheme? For me it’s scheme. You CAN NOT cover for the ten plus seconds that a 3 man rush allows the qb.
Defensive philosophy has become – we don’t care how many yards/points we give up as long as we win the game. I PROMISE YOU THE PLAYERS CARE.
I just think the lack of defensive recruits is because OU has decided that OFFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS and it obviously does NOT!
I do NOT want to watch 9-6 games at OU (unless we win of course). I want OU to go back to the defensive style that made them famous and let the league adjust to what OU is doing.
Team FIRST, Effort SECOND, Talent THIRD, Selfish NEVER
by omsooner on Jan 18, 2012 11:02 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I hate knowing that I will be watching OU football games for the next few years where no lead is ever safe. Like I’ve said before, our defense first mentality started to slowly go out the window when Wilson instituted the hurry-up and Sam put up those ungodly stats. Texas is going back to a defense first approach and if they ever find a QB were screwed…… Unless we start recruiting and playing defense like championship teams do.
by LoneStarSooner on Jan 18, 2012 1:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I second this Motion
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
I'm happy to be the one to green this
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
What's wrong with this notion?
“Defensive philosophy has become – we don’t care how many yards/points we give up as long as we win the game.”
If we win, I don’t care whether we do it 9-6 or 52-49, as long as we’re able to win and still recruit strongly enough to keep winning. Winning is winning.
For the record, I agree with a lot of the other stuff you said, and I agree that our defense has problems. But, ultimately, the goal is to win the game and if that means that our offensive recruits add more points than our defensive recruits cost us (against the best teams), we’ll be better off.
then you should be a happy camper
we just disagree, and that’s fine and what this forum is for. I do think the current defensive philosophy led to the three losses this year and our emphasis on offense (your preference) wasn’t up to the task.
Team FIRST, Effort SECOND, Talent THIRD, Selfish NEVER
That's not my point either
My point is that winning 9-6 is no better (or even different) than winning 52-49. I’m perfectly OK with the notion that is “I don’t care how many yards/points we SCORE as long as we win the game.” It doesn’t really matter if we win b/c our offense is dominant, or because our defense is dominant, or because we are balanced between offense and defense.
Like you, I think our defense needs some work. But, in reality, if our offense is good enough to win every game even if we give up 35 points, I’m great with winning a national championship giving up 35 or game (or by scoring 17 a game). Winning is what counts…period.
Very frightening
I would certainly hope (in the event Everett is not an absolute stud) that Colvin gets swapped straight up for Lynn.
DTs and LBs scare the hell out of me right now…there is no depth and no one listed 2 or lower will play, barring injury.
Crap.
Honestly, I think if that happens
I would certainly hope (in the event Everett is not an absolute stud) that Colvin gets swapped straight up for Lynn.
Javon Harris would be the much more likely choice.
Harris to corner?
I wasn’t trying to insinuate that Lynn should start at S, my bad for not clarifying.
How about Derrick Woods as possibly a safety?
Love the crimson and cream
by ohiosoonerbaby on Jan 18, 2012 12:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think he would have a brighter future there
But he’s going to get a shot, at least initially, at WR.
Not to be an "SEC guy"
But this is one of the biggest differences between them and us. Their best athletes are almost always on defense and in this league all the top athletes want to play offense. OU has caved to no less than two guys just this year (Woods and Daniel Brooks) to get/keep their commitment.
One of the ways to beat the 'spread' is to apply extreme pressure.
in order to accomplish that you need Grade A Prime Cut DT’s and DE’s.
OU’s lack of any interest in recruiting DT’s bothers me. There are players like Tommie Harris and Gerald McCoy out there. We need to recruit them and not just try to mold some kid into a DT.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
I blame Mike Stoops! He needs to be fired!
(I’m first!)
by Redhawk on Jan 18, 2012 1:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I honestly think most people believe Messiah Mike can make stars out of the Peanuts Gang
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
it's only a matter of time.....
before they realize he’s not that great.
Like an ex-girlfriend, we will soon remember why they were an ex
It always is "yes" to either one of 2 questions
when it comes to EX’s:
1) Was I drunk the entire Relationship?
2) Was I really that horny?
or both….usually both more often then not.
by Redhawk on Jan 18, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He was an ex
because he got a “better” gig. I think OU fans would have been perfectly happy to let him stay on for a few more years. And who knows how the 2003 season might have ended if MS had actually concentrated on his OU DC duties for the last two games instead of setting up shop at Arizona?
by ClarkusKentus on Jan 18, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
And we should continue to let vulnerables run a scheme that is obviously not working? I’d rather try something new, than head down the same path year in and year out.
Love the crimson and cream
by ohiosoonerbaby on Jan 18, 2012 3:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
My guess
is that the coaching staff has decided to get the best players they can to commit, regardless of position. It just so happens that our best commits this year — the best players willing to commit — were on the offensive side of the ball. Maybe the problem is that our team has gotten the reputation of being soft on defense — possibly b/c of all the publicity our tremendous offense has gotten over the last several years (the AD years, Bradford, etc.) — so good defensive players are less excited about coming to OU. So if the coaches have 2 players, 1 offensive and 1 defensive, who want to come to OU (for 1 spot) and they feel that the offensive guy is better than the defensive guy, they’ll take the offensive guy.
Is that the right strategy? I don’t know. Perhaps not if the offensive guy never sees the field b/c there’s so much depth on offense. Maybe, and this could be checked, the coaching staff feels they need more offensive players than defensive b/c of the different personnel schemes they run (5 wides, 2 TE, RB/FB, etc.) + attrition on the OL and the fact that they use only 11 or 12 defensive players during the course of a game. If they use 12 defensive players and 20 offensive players (hypothetically), maybe they’ve decided they need more offensive players.
It would be worthwhile, IMO, to look at OU’s games last season and simply count the # of offensive and defensive players used on offense and defense (not special teams since both offensive and defensive players can play on ST) and see how many are used from each side during a game. I’ll bet there are 4-5 more offensive players — at least — used during the course of a game than on defense. For that reason, maybe the coaches simply feel they need more depth on offense.

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