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My beefs with OU's coaching



Obviously I can't complain much about Bob Stoops. The guy is a great head coach and a credit to the school. I'm not impressed with Venables and never have been. I like his intensity and loyalty, and the players have good fundamentals on defense...but his X's and O'x are mediocre at best. Sometimes he hits a homerun, but most the time he strikes out. He's like a .225 hitter with 3 homeruns. In my opinion OU hasn't been dominant on offense since Mike Stoops left. The co-offensive coordinators did a great job in this game. They started out pretty conservatively, but I think the offense looked very good, especially for a first game. Josh called some nice plays, but as I said he was a bit conservative at times. However it's apparent our young offensive coordinator is very talented. Anyway, that's not what my post is about. My post is about more basic strategies, like substitutions and such. 

First beef: leaving critical starters in the game too long. I can understand letting your starters play the entire first half regardless of score. Think of it as a reward for working into the starting lineup. I could possibly understand leaving Landry and the starters in with a big lead when playing an explosive team like OSU or Boise State. But leaving Landry in against Tulsa with a 30+ point lead is a terrible idea. If Landry gets hurt, and it's possibility in a tough game like football, and we will go from NCAA championship contenders to 8-4 in short order. Remember what happened three years ago when we were NCAA title contenders and we lost Sam...we dropped to finishing 8-5.  I'm happy Drew Allen got some playing time, but that time should have gone to Blake Bell. After OU scored with 10:40 to go in the 3rd quarter Drew should've been sent in. He should've played until about 10 minutes left in the game, at which time Blake Bell should've been sent in.  Granted, neither of those guys is as good as Landry, but the more experience we get them the better off we'll be when Landry graduates or decides to take his skills to the pros.

Second beef: Not letting the subs run the offense for real. Drew got to throw some passes tonight, which was a good thing. I think he was allowed to really run the offense. In the past I've noticed that when our sub QBs have gone in that  all they usually do is hand the ball off. What good is that going to do them? They need to run the offense like they are the starters. Just handing the ball off won't do the QB any good experience wise. Granted they may make mistakes and throw picks....so what? If they are in the game we have a big lead anyway, and they will learn from their mistakes if you give them a chance.

Third beef: Not rotating the reserve linemen in enough, and putting too many in at one time. That sounds contradictory, but it's not. I'm sure OU has some second team offensive linemen that are damn near good enough to start, and are just a little worse than the starters. Start getting those boys more playing time. Maybe when we get a bit of a cushion put them in for a few plays here and there to build up their confidence. If they aren't great runblockers but great pass blockers, then go ahead and put them in on passing downs from time to time, or running downs if they are great run blockers. Those big guys are the guts of our offensive machine, as Landry would be the first to tell you, and we need to get them experience. On the other hand, when the game is out of hand I don't think it's a good idea to just throw the entire second team offense out there at one time. Give your second team runners and QB a chance for success by maybe keeping a couple starters in here or there.

I'm very happy with OU's performance last night. As you can see I'm not happy with the substitutions. Granted, we may not stomp every other team by 40 points, and maybe we'll have to be happy with 14-21 point wins, but believe me when I say letting all the boys get some playing time will pay dividends. Imagine the situation if Landry goes pro after this season. If we follow my idea instead of having two inexperienced QBs inheriting the starting spot (Garrett Gilbert like!) we'll have a Drew Allen who went maybe 65-115 for 800 yards passing and a Blake Bell who went 35-50 for 200 yards. That is basically the equivalent of Allen having started 3 or 4 games, and Bell having started a couple. That could make a huge difference in their development and confidence, which is really the only thing they are lacking. And our reserve linemen and defensive players will all have similar experience. I seriously believe instituting a policy on substitution like my idea would yield tremendous dividends for the future. Plus, and here is another perk....young guys that OU is recruiting will see that they WILL get playing time if they put in the effort.

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Obviously I was meaning defense

A goofy error, but seriously you couldn’t figure out what I meant?

by Toby H on Sep 4, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly I knew what you meant, because I followed up

With we have had the most dominant offense in the country 2 of last 3 years.

by OU JJ on Sep 4, 2011 11:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Uh huh

So, you “clearly” knew I meant the defense, then went on to state we had the most dominant offense in the country?

by Toby H on Sep 5, 2011 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know why you thought or typed that mike stoops had anything to do with it.

Proof read it, it helps.

I was simply saying if you are WRONG from the start, people stop reading.

I should have stopped there, and indicated a change in my thought for you.

by OU JJ on Sep 5, 2011 2:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

WTF is your problem?

OU’s DEFENSE HAS BEEN MEDIOCRE SINCE MIKE STOOPS LEFT. BRENT VENABLES IS A TERRIBLE DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR.

There…is that better? Do you understand now?

by Toby H on Sep 6, 2011 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Huh?

It’s pretty hard to argue AGAINST. Mike Stoops was vastly better than Venables at DC. In case you haven’t noticed most teams get 300+ yards offense against our bluechippers on defense. WIth the talent level OU has we should be battling Alabama for best defense in the country every year. Instead we ranked, what, 58th last year out of 121? And that was typical….OU has been very mediocre on defense under Venables. I dont’ think OU ever rated outside the top 20 when we had Mike Stoops.

by Toby H on Sep 7, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm on your side, bruh.

I was saying that your statement, “OU’s DEFENSE HAS BEEN MEDIOCRE SINCE MIKE STOOPS LEFT. BRENT VENABLES IS A TERRIBLE DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR”, was spot-on and is therefore hard to argue.

by Uncle Earmuffs on Sep 8, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

I thought you meant the other way, lol. Sorry Earmuffs.

by Toby H on Sep 8, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

If your complaint is....

How the game is managed in blow out situations, and how much back ups play…. why are you complaining? You do realize that even the other top schools do not play in as many blowouts that OU does, and that is not even counting against really crappy schools.

I'm a Sooner Born and a Sooner Bred, and when I die I'll be a Sooner Dead!!!

by DGiroux on Sep 4, 2011 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Which is all the more reason

Because since OU blows more teams out, we can press our advantage by getting more playing time for the reserves.

by Toby H on Sep 4, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also too

What happens when OU blows out a bunch of teams, subbing out their starters in the 3rd quarter, but then midway through the season, they actually face a dogfight late into the 4th? The starters will need to be in the game that late, but they won’t be used to that many reps in a game.

And yeah, adding to everyone else’s comments, if your complaints about “coaching” are essentially that they leave starters in too long, you’re nitpicking, not critiquing.

by ClarkusKentus on Sep 4, 2011 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL

So you are saying that OU’s starters will get rusty because they aren’t playing enough if they get pulled during blowouts? Seriously?

by Toby H on Sep 5, 2011 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I can help you out. Very few words longer than five letters.

What he is saying is that leaving the starters in builds stamina. Stamina means that they can stay at peak form for a longer period of time. OU runs up to 90 plays per game. Stamina needed. Stamina good. Not all games will be blowouts. Stamina needed. Stamina good.

And running 70 plus plays a game means subs get plenty of action throughout the game.

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 5, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Conditioning

I’d hope OU doesn’t depend on reps in a game for their conditioning.

by Toby H on Sep 6, 2011 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't they?

The more reps the better. I think you’re failing to see the positive side of repetition.

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Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Sep 6, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah game reps are a bit different

And we’ve seen in the past how yanking starters, especially young starters, early to give backups some extra reps has backfired. Look at the Colorado game in 2007 – first game that OU had a dogfight to the end that year, and they were gassed at the end. (Didn’t help that they were playing in Colorado.)

by ClarkusKentus on Sep 7, 2011 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

OU didn't lose that game because of conditioning

OU lost because of crucial turnovers and laziness. Jumped out to a big lead and thought they could coast the rest of the way.

Btw..are you seriously implying that the 20 or 30 snaps per game that the offense may miss in blowouts is effecting their conditioning? LOL, thats laughable.

by Toby H on Sep 7, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm by no means an OU fan, but this is an old argument for lots of people...

To simply put it, repetition is repetition is repetition. The more your starters get reps, the more it becomes muscle memory and automatic instinct. You won’t find a better time to do that than in live action games. You can only take it so far on the practice field before you need to be challenged by another team and their personel.

Wreck Em Tech

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Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Sep 6, 2011 12:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Well put.

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 6, 2011 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

Actually there is a better place to get muscle memory. It’s called “Practice”.

by Toby H on Sep 7, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is your rebuttal?

Did you completely read over my comment just to make a half whit retort?

You won’t find a better time to do that than in live action games. You can only take it so far on the practice field before you need to be challenged by another team and their personel.

Try harder, your parents would be proud.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Sep 10, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well then

Why pull the starters at all, then? Why not just beat TU 64-14? We can schedule Charleston and beat them 100-0, since it’s crucial to “muscle memory” to get snaps in a game.

You don’t know a damn thing about conditioning or “muscle memory” Washburn.

by Toby H on Sep 13, 2011 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why don't you prove that?

And by that, I mean -

You don’t know a damn thing about conditioning or "muscle memory" Washburn.

Seeing as how you know more than most coaches do. I’m not suggesting that you do any research to prove me wrong, that might involve typing, which could be associated with muscle memory. One should only practice typing in practice, never “live” scenarios.

" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...

by KWashburn on Sep 13, 2011 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

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