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Rapid Reaction from OU/Missouri


Wow, lots to talk about from the OU/Missouri Game.  Here are 10 things that I took away from this game.

1.  OU is simply not the #1 team in the country if tonight is any indication of what this team is truly made of.  What an emotional let down from the FSU game!  As much as I HATE LSU, they beat us at this point in the season, especially if we have to play those MFers in New Orleans.  I think I HATE LSU almost as much as I HATE texass.  Alabama is better than we are.  OU better destroy Ball freaking State next week and annihilate texass the week after to reverse my thinking.

2.  The big play.  OU ALWAYS seems to give up one or two big plays each and every game.  It's either a blown assignment, poor tackling, or the defense simply being out of position.  Sorry, but this defense isn't as good as we thought.

3.  Landry Jones.  Landry, I can't figure you out.  Sometimes you literally look like you can be almost as good as Sam Bradford.  Other times you are clearly below Sam Bradford.  And occasionally I look at my television and say "Is that Paul Thompson at QB?"  He's still making a couple of major mental mistakes.  Hell, he almost had a third pick when he threw into traffic in the third quarter when he make a short throw 4 yards in front of him to Austin Haywood.

More after the jump.

Star-divide

4.  WR depth.  We don't have anything behind Broyles and Stills.  Broyles is the best WR in OU history.  I hope everyone realizes how good he really is.  We may have the best WR duo in the country, but we don't have a #3 WR worth a damn.  Hello, Dejuan MillerKameel Jackson, I thought you were supposed to have great hands?  Jaz Reynolds... you show promise every now and then.  Justin McCay, are you alive?  I don't even know what you look like.  We absolutely need DBG and Trey Metoyer.

5.  RBs.  Roy Finch isn't that good.  Something has happened.  He's regressed and has lost weight.  Something is wrong.  We don't have a burner in the backfield.  Clay looks better than Madu or Chris Brown, but he can't sniff All Day or Demarco.  Whaley is better than Clay, but isn't in the All Day or Demarco class.  This team has a RB problem.  We don't have anyone that is truly elite.  This is a major problem.

6.  OLine.  This team still can't line up and smash someone in the mouth inside the 5.  They had a QB sneak and Whaley bounced one outside for a TD, but consider me unconvinced that when OU lines up and the opposing team knows we are running that OU can consistently beat them.  We had such awful OLine recruiting 3-4 years ago and it is showing.  A freaking JUCO QB who became a TE, then DE is now starting at RT.  This is f***ing Oklahoma.  We don't need to have converts on the OLine.  Find some effing maulers.

7.  DLine.  Our defensive tackles are the worst DTs since Stoops took over.  If someone can show me a weaker DT tandem in the Stoops era, I'll buy you a cold beer.  Our DTs SUCK.  McFarland is an absolute bust and if you disagree with me on this I will fight you.  He blows.  Frank Alexander has been unreal thus far.  He was the only one worth a damn on the DLine tonight.  Ronnell is inconsistent, but is getting better.

8.  Killer Instinct.  Where the hell is this?!?!?!  We should have freaking blown out Missouri tonight.  Travis Lewis was flat.  Tom Wort was flat.  Gabe Lynn SUCKED DONKEY BALLS tonight.  Javon Harris was the best in the secondary of all night and he was mediocre.  Paging Tony Jefferson.  Where were you TJ?  This secondary, sans Demontre Hurst, sucked tonight.

9.  Special teams.  We've actually been pretty good at special teams this season.  Kickoff coverage looks much improved.  FG game has been perfect.  The new kicker looks like a real kicker.  Overall, this is the sole bright spot on the team.

10.  OU better realize what it means to be the #1 team in the nation.  They have a bull's eye on their chest the size of Alaska.  I hope someone other than OU gets the first #1 ranking in the BCS and we can sit at #2 and fly under the radar a little bit.  This team has got a lot of growing up to do and they better improve fast.

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Whaley is that good

But Stoops doesn’t want another RB transfer so he is appeasing by making it a rotation. Whaley is a workhorse and hasn’t been getting the carries his performance has earned. He should be starter, not Co-Starter.

by SgtHatr3d on Sep 24, 2011 11:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree with that

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Sep 24, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whaley was great tonight!

"I feel fortunate.... It's just great to get another championship." Bob Stoops

by SoonerMike on Sep 25, 2011 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whaley is fantastic, don’t get me wrong. He’s smart, is excellent in pass protection, can catch the ball out of the backfield, and runs/plays his ass off. Whaley, however, doesn’t have the open field elusiveness or break away speed of AD or Demarco.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he reminds me of a certain little back out of Florida

Now I’m not saying he’s Emmitt Smith but there are some simular qualities.

"I feel fortunate.... It's just great to get another championship." Bob Stoops

by SoonerMike on Sep 25, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

What he DOES have is the most amazing balance I’ve seen in a ball carrier in years. He has amazed me at least once a game.

by It'sTheVoice on Sep 25, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

He had a couple of great catches out of the backfield tonight.

"I feel fortunate.... It's just great to get another championship." Bob Stoops

by SoonerMike on Sep 25, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, he’s a solid player. But I’ll come full circle when he jukes someone out 20-30 yards from the line of scrimmage. Seems like he can’t break that final tackle to take it to the house. Seems like he can’t avoid a safety or a cb.

Whaley is the least of our problems.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m glad Whaley is playing so well. He has such a great story. I LOVE the “walk on” he has written on the white tape over his wrists. The kid is a fighter, no doubt. Happy he is a Sooner.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure he is the starter in my mind

Whaley proved himself, no doubt. But, the question comes with the development of the triangle diamond formation. Players need to be able to catch the ball out of the backfield and while Whaley is capable of that he is no DeMarco nor is he a Finch or Clay.

We have yet to see Brandon Williams and when we do, Whaley could become the short yardage back if Trey Millard doesn’t already hold down that spot.

by OnlyOneOU on Sep 25, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

What game were you watching?

Whaley doesn’t have any issues catching it. Brandon Williams isn’t playing IMO and Whaley should be the primary ball carrier, not the freaking short yardage back.

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brandon Williams needs to redshirt. There’s no point of BARELY using Finch AND BARELY using Williams and burning his redshirt. Stoops, barring injury, needs to stick with Whaley, Clay, and Finch in the backfield and allow Williams time to develop and mature.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

A little peeved, eh?

Can’t blame you, so am I.

New Orleans, here we come.

by KratosWasASooner on Sep 24, 2011 11:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow, I thought I was the only one. This is my first comment ever on this forum after reading for years. I agree with you 100%, great take on the team and a nice post game wrap.

by cpoet on Sep 24, 2011 11:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Welcome aboard

Hope that its the first of many comments

by ccmachine on Sep 25, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks CC!

I’m thinking it will be the first of many posts. I’m always following what you guys have to say and if I can add going forward, I will.

by cpoet on Sep 25, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any time

It was a good non bias reaction to what we saw. I honestly think what we are witnessing is a total retool of the offense. I question why it’s needed but could it be the right time for that, I don’t know. What I do know is this isn’t K. Wilson’s quick strike offense.

by cpoet on Sep 25, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm baffled as to why Heupel seems so incredibly reluctant to use the hurry up

I would have thought we’d see it even more, but maybe being a first year OC he’s not capable of getting the plays in that quick. Whatever he’s doing, it ain’t working thru 3 games IMO.

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

I don’t know. The only thing I can figure is he’s getting outside (his father) consultation. They’ve been far slower lately and seemingly unprepared. Why they didn’t just move forward with a hybrid or a clone of what Wilson had last year, I couldn’t say. They will have to step it up ASAP if they want to compete in this conference.

by cpoet on Sep 25, 2011 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

what a difference a week makes huh? I'm mad too btw

If they play like this again next week I’ll agree. IF not i’ll stick by what I think happened tonight. I think it was a hangover from last week, lots of emotion spent, very physical, guys are still very sore and not fully recovered. They had a bad game because of it, the bright spot is that this is a team that would have lost had this happened to them last year. They are growing up, next week will be a massacre, I’ll put money on that..

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Sep 24, 2011 11:50 PM CDT reply actions  

You really think next week is going to be all that different?

They’ll sleep walk through next week. We won’t learn crap. And the game after is Texas. I’ll say it again. I couldn’t have been more confident in this team coming off last week’s win, after tonight I’ve lost every ounce of confidence I had.

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

On the bright side, they still could not cover Ryan tonight without Kenny in the lineup.

"I feel fortunate.... It's just great to get another championship." Bob Stoops

by SoonerMike on Sep 25, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I do think next week will be different

The coaches are as pissed as anybody about what went on last night. These guys will pay for the way they played this week. There won’t be any sleep walking going on next week. Like I said in another post, if they come out and play like that against ball state I’ll be more inclined to agree with you. If they don’t come out and jump all over ball state and have the game won by halftime then it’ll be cause for concern. I’m frustrated just like you are in the way that they played last night, but I was also afraid that this could happen after how big last week was. I honestly hope we do get jumped in the rankings though, these guys obviously need a little extra motivation.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Sep 25, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many times

Did we, as fans, say that last year and then see them come out flat? More than not, I’d wager. I think some of these guys are already reading too much press.

by SCKSChief on Sep 25, 2011 8:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

A lot of this

was a little knee jerk if you ask me. I think we’re just a little frustrated we didn’t come out and dominate.

by Soonerfan89 on Sep 24, 2011 11:51 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Sep 24, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't we be?

It’s not like we didn’t have motivation to do so. We were embarrassed last year in Columbia. If this team were what we saw last week, they would have played w/ that killer instinct tonight and what we saw was anything but that

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mizzou can't match the talent and depth OU currently has

I think we all thought that and after the way Mizzou season has gone thus far…we expected greatness not only from the offense but the defense

by OnlyOneOU on Sep 25, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, i may stop reading these blogs

All i see are knee jerk reactions, when things are going great Stoops and CO are the best in the country, when theres any sort of adversity they are the worst. seriously guys, this is the 4th best team in the big 12, and was an emotional let down from a huge game against FSU, its happened to them too. I’ll take the W and won’t complain. It’s not like it does anything anyways.

by endercpl on Sep 24, 2011 11:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Easy now

Not everyone is that way

by ccmachine on Sep 25, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

CC, you’re a reasonable guy. Am I knee jerking here? Am I taking over JTE’s spot as the resident Negative Nancy?

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll never give up that crown

It’ll take much more than a post or two for you to wrestle that away from me friend ;)

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Spread

35-27-1 the last 10 years at the HOME FAV. We haven’t been the HOME DOG once the past 10 years.

Just because they didn’t cover the spread doesn’t mean anything, IMO.

by soxboys21 on Sep 25, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I picked MU vs the spread on this one, sorry. I've learned my lesson picking us ATS!

Just because I like stats, here’s the Home ATS in the 4 years under Stoops that we were in the NC Game.

2000: 3-3
2003: 4-3
2004: 2-4
2008: 4-1

by soxboys21 on Sep 25, 2011 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t bet on sports! It ruins the games!

(Yes, I realize I am in the minority on this. But even if I did bet on sports, I could NEVER, EVER bet on OU. I just wouldn’t feel… right?! I don’t know. Again, I’m in the minority on this, I know).

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't bet either

But I did take Missouri and the points in our pick’em contest

by ccmachine on Sep 25, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

What did I say that you think is a knee jerk reaction? I NEVER said anything bad about Stoops and CO. Did I call for someone’s head? No. Did I point out obvious flaws from the team? Yup. I’d love to know what you thought was knee jerk reaction.

The bottom line — we played an unranked team at home and won by 10 as the #1 team in the nation. If this game was in Missouri or on a neutral field, we lose.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think what you said about the RB's

was a little much. Whaley looks damn salty to me. Clay looks to compliment him pretty well too. If i had to count all the problems this team has, I don’t think RB would be up there

by Soonerfan89 on Sep 25, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m with you on RBs not being the biggest problem we have. But I think what I said is fair. Neither Whaley nor Clay are in the same class as AD or Demarco.

Here are Clay’s numbers thus far:

41 carries for 159 yards through three games, which is an average of 3.88 per carry. Two of our opponents have been unranked and two of the games have been at home. I’m not satisfied with those kind of numbers.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whaley’s numbers thus far:

55 carries for 270 yards, which is 4.91 yards per carry. I can absolutely live with that. Whaley is fantastic, please don’t misinterpret what I am trying to say.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look, part of what we're here for

Is to let people vent. If you don’t agree w/ it, more power to you. But if it drives you away from the site, well then I guess, bye. I’d hate to see you go b/c of something so miniscule, but to each their own I suppose. For a lot of us, this is cathartic, we need this. If you don’t get that, it’s cool. But don’t begrudge the rest of us.

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought you were spot on.....

And that is what was called for, objective observations of what actually transpired on the field. Do I think I will start panicking now? NO. These guys showed that they can respond against what I think will wind up being a top 15-25 type of team if bad things happen. Can they afford that kind of luxury against a top 5 opponent, I doubt it. They walked on the field and beat a decent team, after a war last week. They did what they had to do. Reminds me of the 2000 squad a little. And as much as I would like for the asshole that coined this phrase to just go ahead and die….JUST WIN, BABY!

Hang Half-a-Hundred on 'em. Switzer

by BOOMKING on Sep 25, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree with you regarding Missouri being a top 15-25 team. They already have two losses. They will likely lose to Little Oklahoma, A&M, Baylor, and maybe texass. If that happens, they have 6 losses. Even if they beat 2 out of those 4 teams I just mentioned, that’s 4 losses.

Missouri is scrappy, tough, and plays with heart. But they aren’t that talented in my opinion. Now, that QB is going to be a stud over the next couple years.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lots of injuries on thier side of the fence, too.

Not a Mizzou fan, but they were missing a bunch of starters tonight, too. And I’m glad they were, to be honest. If they get those guys back soon, I think they go from scrappy doo to Scooby really quick. Don’t know what kind of timeline they are looking at, but if it’s soon, the rest of the Big 9 better look out, cuz that Franklin kid is improving FAST.

Hang Half-a-Hundred on 'em. Switzer

by BOOMKING on Sep 25, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two losses yes,

One to the #1 team in the country and the other to ASU. You can ask USC what they think of the Sun Devils right about now.

by ccmachine on Sep 25, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m with you, but two losses is still two losses. And they didn’t look great in their win over Miami of Ohio.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Missou could put a BIG scare into those teams you mentioned.

"I feel fortunate.... It's just great to get another championship." Bob Stoops

by SoonerMike on Sep 25, 2011 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope you’re right, it’ll definitely make this game look better for OU!

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stills

Just got to where I could catch up on tonight fiasco. Why no.mention of Stills tonight?

by docfr47 on Sep 24, 2011 11:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

had to sit out due to a concussion

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Sep 24, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last week was a brawl......

and pro fighters don’t have to fight again in a week. Those guys will recover with a scrimmage next week, then a beat down of Tex-ASS. I’m not trying to justify the deplorable lack of interest these guys displayed last night, but think I know why……..

Hang Half-a-Hundred on 'em. Switzer

by BOOMKING on Sep 24, 2011 11:59 PM CDT reply actions  

But at the same time

It’s not like there aren’t several things to be concerned about coming out of this game

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I concur, but the INTs by Landry, the red zone struggles, the hurry up offense looking rusty, the lack of pass rush from the DTs, and a few other things really have me bothered. No question NCs are not won in September, but they sure as hell can be lost in September.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't disagree

But I also can’t help but feel like Heupel is holding things back and it’s costing us. Which if the case, I can’t understand why. I said it before, everyone knows we run the triangle. It won’t shock anyone if we do it. And yet they’ve yet, through three games, to really use it in the run game at all. I just don’t get it. I think Heupel is really struggling to find a rhythm in his play calling, which should have been expected for a first year OC, but I just didn’t think he’d have this problem.

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

National Champs are teams that find a way to win the ugly betty's

That’s what this was for sure and OU will only grow from here

by OnlyOneOU on Sep 25, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are correct sir.

We also need to remember that Missouri is a good football team. The 20 point spread was crazy. We didn’t play well, were short Stills, lost Habern, T Lewis and Wort both got dinged up, had a hangover from FSU, and still scored 38 points and won the game.

Mizzou will win 8 to 9 games. There are times when your going to have to struggle to get past your own flaws. It is the mark of a championship caliber team when they can play badly against a good team and still win.

Is OU as good as LSU? Don’t know. I do know LSU gave up almost 600 yards to a WVU team that doesn’t have the weapons Mizzou has. Do we need to be better than LSU right now? No, just need to be better than the teams we play and keep progressing through the season. OU’s talent is as good as anyone in the nation. They’ll be fine.

by Sean Post on Sep 25, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad T.J. Moe is a senior.

Man he just killed us tonight, and all during his career, very good player.

"I feel fortunate.... It's just great to get another championship." Bob Stoops

by SoonerMike on Sep 25, 2011 12:07 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

What’s the deal with the diamond being so ineffective?

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't know about that, but....

I would have like to have seen some I-formation with Millard and Whaley, with Millard getting a good bunch of the carries on those quick hits. Don’t remember if I saw that at all, but bet it would have been effective. Mizzou’s D-line was catching the smaller backs with one hand, A LOT. That wouldn’t have been the case with Millard.

Hang Half-a-Hundred on 'em. Switzer

by BOOMKING on Sep 25, 2011 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m with you regarding a power I-formation. I fear, however, that OU simply does not have the personnel on the offensive line to maul the DLine. Millard is truly special. He is an absolute mauler, brawler, fighter, and whatever else you want to call him. He is a fantastic football player. Definitely has a future on Sundays. I don’t think we see a lot of the power I because OU can’t effectively move back the DLine.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's why though.....

Mizzou doesn’t have huge D-linemen like Fl. St. I think the quick hits would have been affective because Millard just simply adds 250 pounds of thrust in addition to the O-lineman that he’s running straight behind. Mizzou’s D-lineman were able to stick an arm out and stop the smaller guys, but couldn’t have done that to Millard, at least in theory……

Hang Half-a-Hundred on 'em. Switzer

by BOOMKING on Sep 25, 2011 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Missouri’s starting line is 255, 295, 305 and 265.
Florida State’s starting line is 273, 297, 311, and 265.

Not that much of a difference.

"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan

by Kpz1234 on Sep 25, 2011 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here’s the way I look at the line. Who on this offensive line compares to some of the OU greats that have played under Stoops? I’m talking guys like Trent Williams, Jamaal Brown, Chris Chester, Duke Robinson, Phil Loadholt, David Joseph, etc. Those guys are just a sample of the great OLineman to play under Stoops. I don’t think any of our current Olineman compare. Maybe I’m wrong — it wouldn’t be the first (or the last) time.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Good night all, good win tonight.

Boomer!!

"I feel fortunate.... It's just great to get another championship." Bob Stoops

by SoonerMike on Sep 25, 2011 12:45 AM CDT reply actions  

This.Scares.Me.

Not happy about reading this… where is the senior leadership?! By the way, Travis Lewis needs to sit out against Ball State and get totally healthy.

“OU safety Javon Harris: "I wouldn’t say that it was a Florida State hangover. We just didn’t prepare like we should have this whole week and it showed in the game."

http://newsok.com/ou-safety-javon-harris-sooners-didnt-prepare-like-they-should-have/article/3607606?custom_click=headlines_widget

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Sounds like I’m not knee jerking…

Travis Lewis –
"We played like the 25th-, 30th-ranked team in the country," said Lewis, the OU senior linebacker and captain. "We’re not the No. 1 right now."

But it was a win. It was a win, right?

"We’re fortunate that we won," Lewis said. "We shouldn’t have won that game."

"I thought it was terrible," OU defensive coordinator Brent Venables said. "I’m embarrassed to be associated with this."

"For whatever reason, yeah, there was not quite as much energy and emotion," Stoops said. "That’s disappointing. I thought we were more mature and better than that."

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 1:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I can see Venables saying that

DId you see how much he chewed out Wort even after a defensive stop? That dude is intense.

by ClarkusKentus on Sep 25, 2011 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

He did and he is

But I’d like somebody to ask him why he insisted on staying in that three man front the entire freaking game?!? Plenty of it has to be on the players for playing flat, but his scheme deserves some considerable questioning as well IMO.

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

When we were aggressive (or if we rushed more than three!) we did alright. When we dropped 8, someone eventually got open.

by ClarkusKentus on Sep 25, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, if I come out of the game

Saying the same things as Travis Lewis, I feel pretty vindicated in my take.

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

What drives me batty are the people that want to say “it’s all good, we got the ‘w’”. Even when they know full well the team was hideous. These will be the same people that will be pissed when the same game gets played and we lose.

We simply cannot condone this type of performance.

by SCKSChief on Sep 25, 2011 5:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I call BS on nearly all of your article

you want to nit-pick every thing about this team and every play.

My first question is, Have you ever played the game at this level or do you personally know a someone that has played this game?

My second question is, Have you ever coached on this level or do you know someone personally that has coached at this level?

If no the please try to be more objective when writing reviews of a game and not taking the pissed of fan way of seeing things.

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Sep 25, 2011 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

To be fair

If you have to be a former D-1 coach and/or player to comment/critique this team then I’m pretty sure this blog will cease to exist.

by Jordan Esco on Sep 25, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

the article was not a crtique it was all bitch and moan,

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Sep 25, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes to both of your questions, actually. Do you have any other douche-bag style questions?

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If so then, why don't you write something besides a complaint article

knowing the people I do and you do then you should know both sides of the whole thing. What you wrote was a scathing one sided review of a football game that didn’t played they way you have liked it to. You know that berating and bashing performances like last night go in one ear and out the other. They accomplish nothing. The game didn’t go the Stoops, Venables ort Heupel would have liked ut do think any of them acted like that in the locker room? Do you want the coaches and the fanbase to go Mangino on these players? Because that is the way your article comes across.

After last weeks slugfest it more than understandable that any team would be off. What are trying to accomplish other blowing off steam?

As other always say, "I have the right to blah blah blah’, well you do, I just think that some of this scathing writing could be tempered somewhat and that maybe once in awhile some people could be satisfied with a win whether it was good, bad, or ugly/

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Sep 25, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you read the quotes from Venables? He said he was “embarrassed to be associated with this.” How about the quotes from Travis Lewis?

As JTE said above, whenever what I am saying is supported by Venables, Lewis, etc. I feel pretty good about myself. Again, I’m not calling for anyone’s head, not trying to act like I know the X’s and O’s better than the coaches, or anything like that. The point is this team, if the Missouri game is any indication of what this team is really made of, has some serious issues.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

But the quote that really bothers me is Javon Harris’s quote.

“I wouldn’t say that it was a Florida State hangover. We just didn’t prepare like we should have this whole week and it showed in the game.”

Seems like an entitlement mentality or sense of complacency took over.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Com on now

Let’s not result resort to name calling. Let’s leave that to the Aggies and Longhorns. No more!

by ccmachine on Sep 25, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough. My sincere apologies.

by SoonerSunDevil on Sep 25, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never like
  1. going into a season, it is all subjective anyway. Would rather be #8 and work your way into it by putting a beat down on the Horn’s. SoonerMike is right.

"Nonsense. By all means, move." Doc Holliday, the movie Tombstone.

by kcsoonerfan on Sep 25, 2011 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Equipoise

The same problems that were present at FSU were present vs. Missouri. What we saw tonight was OU playing against a good team, weathering a early deficit, and bouncing back. The Tigers are a good team. Ball St is not a challenge. OU will beat them by 20-40. OU will spend part of this week prepping for UT. Everything I say is directed toward that game.

OU defense
1. OU’s open field tackling was not great today. UT’s ability to put playmakers in space will test OU, and OU’s concentration cannot be an issue.
2. OU did a much BETTER job against the Tigers run game this year than last. Part of this is related to all the new faces on the Mizzou OL, but the DL has actually been pretty good since the end of last year at getting pressure and holding the line of scrimmage. Josey is a good back and Franklin is a load. Josey’s long run was a contain/assignment issue that OU’s got to get worked out.
3. The QB run game is part of UT’s offense. Expect a healthy dose of QB Ash on 1st down in Dallas based on Franklin/Manuel’s success. It’s UT much likely method get to 2nd & < 5. OU’s LB have to get contain, but this is a tough play. OU will test the UT QB’s mettle.
4. The UT passing game on 1st down will be short passes looking to pick up ~ 5 yards + test OU’s tackling. They have good, not great WR who are young, but their QB’s are yet untested vs. a competent defense.
5. If successful on 1st down runs/short passes, the Horns will try to manufacture pass plays by building in gimmicks off base run plays for big gains. This will work some (2-3 times during the game a least). OU need to make those plays go for 25 yds, not 65 yds and limit it to 2-3 times per game. This is where UT coordinator change will pay dividends for them this year.
6. On 2nd/3rd and long, UT knows their awful OT play and shakey QBs will be exposed. Expect screens, draws, QB runs.

OU’s offense.
1. OU probably learned of Stills’ unavailability for the game early in the week. A key for this game was the withholding of this info. Mizzou would probably have replicated FSU double-team strategy on Broyles had this knowledge been public. Instead, they zoned Broyles most of the night and it cost them.
2. Long-term, Jones having confidence in player other than Broyles/Stills is crucial. On 3rd and “important” plays Jones still has a tendency to force it to Broyles. Reynolds had an important drop. Jackson had a tough but makeable catch. I think it would be great for Stills AND Broyles to sit vs. Ball St to force Jones to trust the other guys/get timing down.
3. Mizzou’s DL owned OU OL last year. This year was actually somewhat better.
4. The complaints with the RB are misplaced. The OL getting blown up is the reason for all the negative yardage plays. I’d bet OU has a special package of run game plays for UT that they are saving (happens almost every year—pistol, misdirection for AD, inside counter for Murray last year, etc).
5. Jones didn’t wilt after the early sequence. He has much more equipose than earlier in his career.

The UT game will be close. Texas’s confidence is rising, but this is based on playing teams that were supposed to be pretty good that actually haven’t been all that great (UCLA, BYU). Iowa St may actually be the best team they play pre-RRR.

by Quigley on Sep 25, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

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