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What to expect: OU defense vs. FSU offense

While there appear to be very few question for Oklahoma on the offensive side of the ball, the same might not be said with respect to the defensive side.  Can the DEs replicate the performance they had against Tulsa?  Can the DTs hold up and stop the runs up the middle?  How much will they miss Travis Lewis?  Is Javon Harris a liability in pass coverage?  These are some of the questions surrounding the OU defense heading into Saturday night's game.  While they'll face more explosive offenses later in the year (A&M, OSU), the Seminoles present some unique challenges and it starts with their talented QB E.J. Manuel.

Oubulletlogo_mediumDisrupting Manuel's rhythm.  This will be key.  What I've seen consistently from all our FSU visitors this week is that Manuel tends to struggle more with the shorter/timing routes while throwing an excellent deep ball.  Kind of the exact opposite we're used to ironically.  So with respect to what he does well, obviously getting pressure to prevent him from having the time to let those deep routes develop will be job one.  FSU has two experienced tackles who Noles fans don't expect to give much up in terms of the pass rush and while that remains to be seen, if true that means OU will need to get pressure up the middle from their DTs or bring extra guys in the blitz.  FSU has had some interior line issues through the first two games and have swapped their center and left guard this week, same two guys just different positions.  So will we see DC Venables try and attack the middle of their line when they bring the blitz rather than the strength at tackle? 

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Oubulletlogo_mediumStopping the run game.  Things get much easier for Manuel if Florida State gets their running game going.  It opens up play action, which forces the LBs to pause just that split second that he'll need to throw it over the top of them for big chunks of yards.  What OU has going for it is FSU hasn't exactly been stellar running the ball through their first two games.  They put up 92 rushing yards against La-Monroe in their opener and a much more respectable 170 against Charleston Southern, but it's Charleston Southern.  Much like Oklahoma, expect to see FSU use multiple backs Saturday night and you can certainly expect Manuel to be MUCH more involved in the run game than he has been in their first two games.  While the threat of a running QB should worry any OU fan, there is a plus side in that what we expect FSU to do with Manuel is a lot of what OU has seen in the past.  What I mean by that is they'll use him in a pretty similar fashion to how Texas used Vince Young and Colt McCoy.  Now Manuel is a much better athlete than McCoy, but probably not quite on the level of Young.  So he's a definite threat, but it's not likely that he's going to have 100+ yards rushing unless things go very wrong for the OU defense.

Oubulletlogo_medium Tomahawk Nation asked on Wednesday whether or not Oklahoma would respect the FSU receivers and I think it's a pretty simple answer.  Absolutely.  Now by respect do you mean they're going to give them a 5-7 yard cushion for fear of getting beat deep?  Doubtful.  Doesn't mean FSU can't get behind our DBs and beat them deep, but I certainly expect them to try.  Early and often actually.  Press coverage or bump-and-run is not really something Venables and secondary coach Willie Martinez employ on a regular basis.  At times sure, but not consistently.  Now maybe that changes Saturday night if they believe they have a distinct advantage in that matchup, obviously we'll have to wait and see.  But if the Noles fans are correct in their assessment of Manuel, meaning that his weakness is the shorter/timing patterns then there is a chance we could see plenty of it.  To throw Manuel and his WRs off their timing and maybe make him pull the ball back down on a play where the o-line thought they'd only have to hold their blocks for a three step drop and suddenly the ball isn't out like it was supposed to be.

The potential drawback to that strategy however is in the form of 6'6" 215 pound Rodney Smith.  With that kind of size, a clear mismatch for just about any corner, but perhaps even more so for a guy like Demontre Hurst (who is listed generously at 5'10").  Fleming is slightly better at 5'11", but neither have th size to really compare to Smith.  So positioning, timing on possible jump balls, and ball recognition will all be crucial when defending Smith.

Oubulletlogo_medium The 50-front.  I believe I've read some FSU fans expect Oklahoma to employ the 50-front defense they had so much success with late last year.  I however do not expect to see the OU defense utilize this defense, other than in short yardage situations possibly.  It's a defense that is more designed to stop the run and I just expect FSU to try and spread OU out more than go big and try and run it down their throat.  Which if they do try and spread them out, will really play into what the Sooner typically try to do on defense.  Essentially running a 4-2-5, though they'd NEVER admit to it, by playing Tony Jefferson at that Roy-back/3rd LB spot.

Oubulletlogo_mediumThe safety play.  I don't think there is much concern on the part of Sooner fans with respect to Aaron Colvin, but it's only natural to be at least a little worried after the game Javon Harris had against Tulsa.  To be perfectly honest, I don't know enough about the FSU offense (so FSU fans please feel free to chime in) to know how much they'll utilize their TEs or throw to their backs out of the backfield, because that would really be the only opportunities to exploit Harris in coverage.  He's very unlikely to be matched up on a WR, unless the defense is out of position, so if there are any coverage issues from him it will very likely have to come from one of those two spots.  For the issues he had in pass coverage against Tulsa, he was excellent in the run game and I see no reason to expect any different this week. 

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When FSU's offense is executing it's difficult to handle b/c

it can really stretch the field, which prevents the D from loading up in any particular area, i.e., the run, the pass, etc. Why? Because EJ is a legit threat with this legs but he also will throw deep to both Smith & Reed. Also EJ has most experience (& success) throwing to short & intermediate routes. In other words, FSU’s O is a real threat at every area of the field. I’m sure Venables knows this and will do anything to prevent FSU’s O from getting into a rhythm and executing.

We may see the 50-front again if we can’t get the passing game going b/c as you know we’ll be without our #2 WR, Willie Haulstead (Jr) b/c of concussions. Willie is a big(ger) WR (6-3, 213) who IMO is the sort of WR who can have success against OU’s secondary. That leaves FSU with only 2 experienced WRs (Reed & Smith), which means that one of our 4 So/RS Fr WRs must step up, which is a very difficult thing to do against your secondary (at least based on how poorly our So WRs played in last year’s game).

p.s. JTE, thanks for all of the FSU-OU posts—it’s made for a great week so far for FSU & OU fans.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Sep 15, 2011 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Neither Reed nor Smith seem to be featured Wr's as OU is used to seeing.

Except for a great game by Smith against Clemson last year, these two are kind of pedestrian-ish. Neither showed anything special in the two warm-up games.

The FSU Rb’s haven’t been particularly effective either. There’s a sandlot offense kind of feel to it.

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

There’s no comparison between any of our WRs and yours or someone like Blackmon—we don’t have a game-changer WR. And none of our RBs is far and away the #1, but Chris Thomson is our best RB and he’s had some very good performances in big games in 2010, e.g., S. Carolina (147 yards) & Miami (158 yards). That said, like OU, FSU has a stable of RBs and will ride the one who has the hot hand.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Sep 15, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about J. Wilder ?

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doubt he even plays

He’s not even the best freshman back on the team right now

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Sep 15, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just recognized the name

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wilder

…has potential, but he’s #3 I think. Right now Greene is much better, but FSU is definately a running back by committee team right now. I honestly see this game as feast or famine for our backs.

by Talonkarde on Sep 16, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wilder is 5th on the depth chart at RB. Rashad Greene plays WR.

At RB:
1. Chris Thompson – last year’s leading rusher. Think he set a Nole single season record for runs over 30 yds.
2. Ty Jones – more of a power back who gets the nod for consistency.
3. Devonta Freeman – Freshman who enrolled early and had over 350 yds rushing in FL HS 6A championship game and 300+ in the semi-final game.
4. Jermaine Thomas – leaders all active Nole rushers for career yardage. Was No. 1 on depth chart last year.
5. Wilder – may see in short yardage or goalline situations (But doubtful) and on special teams. Leading rusher so far this year.

Good group but nothing to worry about.

by NoleLaw on Sep 16, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jimbo siad maybe short yardage/goal line usage for him.

Doubt Jimbo meant in the OU game. Although Wilder is our current leading rusher, he is 5th on the depth chart. Jimbo had thought about redshirting him. He’ll play with Karlos Williams on special teams.

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jimbo never thought of redshirting him

you don’t redshirt JWJ

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Sep 15, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

In an interview after the CSU game, he said he had seriously thought about it.

Was there a reason for Jimbo to lie about something he thought but never did?

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Post the interview

I really have a hard time believing that Jimbo even thought about it. There’s no point to it. First, you don’t want to be known as the team that redshirted JWJ, and second, if he’s not gonna make it at RB, he’ll be a 3 and NFL at the LB position.

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by SteadfastNole on Sep 15, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it's in one of the ones on Seminoles.com, might have been Cameron's show.

There are a lot of interviews to go watch again to pinpoint where he said it. You’re talking about a couple hours’ worth. He was saying that he thought about redshirting Wilder because he looked sort of lost at the end of camp. However, after coming off 2-a-days and getting into the regular game-prep week he settled down and is feeling more comfortable and it showed in the CSU game.

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Listen to the podcast and Bud talks about it at about 48 minutes in.

I don’t really want to take the time to back back through all Jimbo’s interviews again. If you don’t believe me, maybe you’ll believe Bud.

by NoleLaw on Sep 16, 2011 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whats interesting about the Clemson game is that we game planned to run EJ

So if you subscribe to the belief that Fisher will run EJ early and often, it makes sense to think that the threat of him running with open up stuff for Smith to have another good receiving game

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Sep 15, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

As far as the backs and TE's Go

  Just about all of our backs are atleast above average catching the ball, Thompson/Freeman have very, very good hands for backs. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see some check downs/slip screens and wheel routes to get them the ball in space and down the field.
  As far as utilizing the TE’s. Beau Reliford is average at best. He has made some pretty big plays in his day, but is not a constant threat from his position. Nick O’leary on the other hand, could be an absolute threat to pick up chunks of yards.Though only a Frosh, Nick has shown that he’s is already starting to understand and retain what’s being asked of him by the coaches. I would defintely look for him to make an appearence in the offense. Whether a Decoy or Target, he’s a good enough RIGHT NOW that somebody will have to cover him or he can make defenses pay. Defintely excited to watch him mature and progress in the coming years.

"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."

by Chief03 on Sep 15, 2011 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

We don't throw it to the TEs much - maybe 2 per game

Maybe we’ve been keeping O’Leary a secret weapon, but I doubt it. We usually only throw a few passes a game to the backs, because Jimbo likes to use them to block or else he adds and extra WR. Who gets the catches is really up to EJ and the OU defense. O’Leary has great hands which is why he was the No. 1 TE recruit in the country.
We’re loaded at RB with the top 3 from last year returning and the addition of Freeman and Wilder. Freeman and Thompson are the best of the bunch. Most of the passes to the RBs will probably be to Freeman. If we’re lucky, Jimbo will let EJ throw a couple balls to Lonnie too.
For those unfamiliar with Freeman, he is No. 8, and a freshman who ran for over 300 yds in the Fla. HS championship game and 300+ in the semi-final game too. He has bumped our active career leading rusher (Thomas) to No. 4 on the depth chart.

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see some check downs/slip screens and wheel routes to get them the ball in space and down the field.

run a wheel route? apparently our ingenious ruse is paying off… ;-)

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by stoopwitzer on Sep 15, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nick O'leary

is only a freshman but is already said to have the best hands on the entire team. He is an elite athlete at the TE position(think Dwight Clark-type TE). It will just be a matter of inexperience and how well he knows the system in this early part of his career vs his first true test.

by cerebralfish on Sep 15, 2011 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I just don’t see Manuel as being all that accurate of a guy. I think his success comes from having big receivers that can go up and get the ball for him.

He has a rocket for an arm, sure, but I just don’t see the precision that Ponder had…which spells interceptions if you can get pressure on him.

:-)

by captfoss on Sep 15, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

There's not alot of QB's that are as accurate as Ponder.

You can make ANY QB’s throw INT’s if you get pressure on him. That’s pretty much what the you want your Pass Rush TO DO.

"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."

by Chief03 on Sep 15, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately for FSU Landry Jones is one of those QBs who’s as accurate as Ponder…

From what I’ve seen of E.J, he’s sloppy with the ball and he makes poor decisions. So, we’ll have to see how he faires against a decent defense with banged up receivers…

Should be a good game, but I have a feeling it won’t be… Given OU’s history, though, I’m not sure which team it’ll be for though ;-)

If both teams come out and play a good game, I think OU wins.

by captfoss on Sep 15, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I just don’t think the Offense against Chuck Southern and ULM is going to be ANYTHING close to what is run against OU. Also, EJ isn’t exactly a lummox back there at QB, but you’re entitled to your opinion of course.

"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."

by Chief03 on Sep 15, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

based on the 1st 2 games on '11, you're right

but Jimbo treated these 2 games a passing scrimmages.

In 2010 EJ had a 69.9 completion percentage and a 153.3 passer rating, so the belief that EJ is inaccurate is simply false.

Here’s his career stats: http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/380849/ej-manuel

Championship!

by TLHWG on Sep 15, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The idea that your completion percentage is even remotely tied to your accuracy is also false.

An inaccurate QB throwing to excellent receivers will have a high completion percentage… or an inaccurate QB throwing to decent receivers against a bad secondary will have a high completion percentage.

An inaccurate QB throwing a bunch of short, high percentage routes will have a high completion percentage.

A razer-sharp QB throwing to a bunch of stone-handed receivers will have a lower completion percentage.

To be, determining how accurate a quarterback is depends on where the ball hits the receiver. Does he lead the receiver the correct amount? Does he hit the receiver in stride? Was it thrown behind him? Too far in front? Are his long balls dropping over the receiver’s sholder, or is the receiver having to go up and get them…

And then you have to filter out the seemingly inaccurate passes that are actually the QB targetting positions away from the receiver.

I’ve seen Manuel’s accuracy. His deep balls are jump balls that are up for grabs, and his intermediate and short routes don’t have the kind of pinpoint accuracy you’d want. His reads are suspect, and he’s just accurate enough to get the ball “near” a receiver.

I’m not sold on Manuel as a QB… so we’ll see if I’m wrong on Saturday.

by captfoss on Sep 16, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s fair… 4th quarter scoring drive for OU, Landry throws the ball behind his receiver (Broyles catches it anyway), his deep ball to Stills was a jump ball (I think he was worried about overthrowing him moreso than putting it up there for him to go get, but still), and he almost threw a pick on a tipped ball.

But he absolutely hit Ryan Broyles in the chest while getting hit from the left, so he’s definitely gotten much better than he used to be.

by captfoss on Sep 19, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

The more I read these articles,

the more I feel like OU could win this game by a considerable margin. Not a blowout, but around 8-17 point differential. FSU’s offense just seems to have some problems on the O-line. And as an OU fan I know how that can doom a team. See 2009. This week has dragged by so slow!!!!

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by dasoonerman on Sep 15, 2011 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

line problems are a bit overblown.

Due to off-season injuries, they didn’t start practicing together until about a week before the first game. 3 of the starting 5 are returning 4-year starters. Krug was the No. 1 rated JUCO OL that we tried at C. It didn’t work out bad, but he appeared to be a bit slow in getting off on his block after hiking the ball. At G, he doesn’t have that trouble so we swapped him with Stork who was the backup C last year and the best of the rest of the linemen. After making that tweak during the middle of the last game, our running game took off. Also bear in mind that about the only thing we’ve run in the first two games are vanilla inside and outside zone plays. No traps or power plays or any of that sort of stuff.

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. I just went back over the third and fourth quarter play by play for the Charlotte game.

Except for the one 41 yard run to end the game. Your backs were terribly mediocre.

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're right.

EJ Manuel is TERRIBLE, Absolutely 0 of our backs have even a little bit of athletic ability, NONE of FSU’s players on the O-line are big, strong or have any mental aptitude. Our Defense as a whole is “shaky” at best, our D-Line is sucky, FSU’s seconday is suspect at best. The receivers probably should just not even play and just let EJ throw the ball directly to OK and just let them run it back for pick 6’s everytime. It’s will probably be 140 to -7 because we will be even worse than a shut out. Happy?
#sarc

"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."

by Chief03 on Sep 15, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I get your frustration,

But the snarky response is a little overdone. I think it’s ok for us to simply agree to disagree on our perceptions of our teams’ performances thus far. Go Noles.

by NoleFin on Sep 15, 2011 1:51 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

In fact, if you take away that last 41 yd run, FSU gained an outstanding 3.6 yds per rush against an FCS team.

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't read too much into the performance against and FCS team

Last year FSU blew out Samford before getting manhandled by OU. Didn’t mean a thing. Perhaps you think FSU has regressed? Jimbo used the two warmup games as practices to focus on specific aspects he wanted to work on.

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't want to put too much into a great performance against an FCS team

But a poor performance should be cause for worry.

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The O-line is a question mark

We are hoping that EJ running will open things up and will improve every facet of the Running game.

But no it was not an impressive game against CSU last week for our running game and yes our backs were kind of overal “meh”. Hopefully the o-line changes this week fix some of the issues specifically Krug getting blown off the ball.

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by PalmAireNole on Sep 15, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

As soon as we moved Krug back to G, he started pancake blocking the CSU D-Line

Still wouldn’t read too much into it other than Krug is better at G than C.

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

ehhh

those numbers still don’t take into account the -20 yards from the backup QB on three ‘carries’, the -1 yd rush from the backup FB, and 1/3 of the carries are from the freshman backs. None of the starting backs had over 6 carries, sorta hard to get in a groove running like that

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by SteadfastNole on Sep 15, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

not saying we're gonna run lights out

but hard to gauge running success on a ‘pre-season’ game

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by SteadfastNole on Sep 15, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll agree with you here

First half was probably on the OL, but watching the second half, our OL were creating the holes, but we had our 3rd and 4th string RBs in there missing cuts.

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by BenDNole on Sep 15, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

based on our play vs an FCS team is a little bit like saying "oh OU is going to play the same way they did against Utah St. Yet they came out against FSU and played completely different and then turn around and looked not so good against Cincy

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by dj2fsu on Sep 15, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sort of eluded to this a bit earlier

but our running game is going to depend on so many factors its almost not worth discussing. Jimbo wants the guys to make 1 cut and hit the hole for 3,4,5 yard gains, anything after that is nice but usually not his intent. If the O-line doesn’t step up for this game things could get ugly.

by Talonkarde on Sep 16, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

interesting

and although I have worries about our offense (esp. OL & WRs), the more I learn about this game the better I feel that the conditions are good for FSU to pull an upset:

  • home field advantage & loud crowd, which slows down the OU offense, preventing them from getting into a rhythm, therefore making them less efficient.
  • OU’s strength is its passing game and FSU has the best secondary that OU will face all season.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Sep 15, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

The things that should make you feel good about this game...

Are:
*FSU ground game.
*EJ getting the green light to change plays, run the option, and tuck and go when necessary
*Landry in Tally as opposed to Norman
*FSU defensive depth and familiarity with the system combined with adjustments M.Stoops has made to get the D plays called at OU’s O speed.

*Crowd noise affect on silent or no snap counts and OU’s passing game are not great reasons to feel good.

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly !!! OU should feel good about:
  • FSU ground game that couldn’t produce against ULM and an FCS team.
  • EJ having to run for his life on busted plays.
  • Landry’s excellent road record against overrated teams.
  • FSU’s defense out of breath by the half because they’re use to half as many plays.
  • And the lack of crowd noise as FSU falls behind by three TDs again and they all head for the exits.

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Nice.

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by leatherneck1061 on Sep 16, 2011 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

While I’m still nervous about this game and feel the home field advantage could be huge, the more I read and observe going into this game the better I feel about the outcome. If this were a neutral site game I would predict OU by double digits easy. I don’t believe they have a real answer for the OU passing game, and while they will be difficult to run on I don’t think it will be as forlorn of an effort as the nole fans seem to think. It’s possible EJ Manuel could go out there and have the performance of his life – possible; but is it likely? If I had to guess, I think he will struggle in this – I just hope our D does an effective job of shutting down his running lanes. That’s what worries me the most.

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by leatherneck1061 on Sep 15, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Why is FSU even playing this game? Let's just pack it up right now and give OU the W.

"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."

by Chief03 on Sep 15, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

France State University Surrenders !

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Works for me :)

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by leatherneck1061 on Sep 15, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smh...stay classy.

"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."

by Chief03 on Sep 15, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

No offense meant to any FSU fan who doesn't wish to surrender.

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could certainly

go for a spiced Bacardi and coke right now for some reason…

seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?

by PA Sooner 95 on Sep 15, 2011 1:35 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Much better than the BTN ads!

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup

But would either of you gentlemen like a Pepsi?

seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?

by PA Sooner 95 on Sep 15, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think when and how OU executes on the Blitz will be key.

Got to confuse Manuel and I think you see some blitzes coming from all over the field.

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by SoonerMike on Sep 15, 2011 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Sick Jefferson on him.

"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)

by Terra Clepta on Sep 15, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have come to the conclusion we might as well not even play the game

Ever since a snarky nole fan informed me that 1 of their players is worth 2 of ours. If that’s the case let’s just assign the W’s and L’s and be done with it. Guess I’ll just get drunk Saturday night instead.

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by leatherneck1061 on Sep 15, 2011 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I know around here it's pretty much anathema to link to anything from ESPiN

but IMO this video clip is a good one. Trevor Matich illustrates some points I’ve tried to make about EJ Manuel. Understand, I think he is a great athlete and will be a great qb, but I’m just not sure he’s really ready for the big time yet. So please view and comment.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6972498

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by leatherneck1061 on Sep 15, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

He said what most of us have been saying

Right now, EJ is better at slinging the ball downfield or making plays when he is acting instinctively, i.e., throwing on the run, etc. and not overthinking things.
Make him sit back in the pocket, read the D, and connect on shorter routes and timing routes because that is not the better part of his game right now. Call it nerves, inexperience, or whatever, but he is thinking too much right now and not just playing.

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's thinking a lot because he has to

He simply is not at a point where he is very comfortable or proficient running the entire offense. Of course that will pass in time, but I won’t be surprised if he makes some costly errors in this match – perhaps too many.

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by leatherneck1061 on Sep 15, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I expect him to throw 2-3 interceptions.

Turnovers should be a big part of this game. If M.Stoops can dial up some stuff to get Landry to throw picks, we’ll be in good shape. We had to get 5 or 6 turnovers in the bowl game to beat USCe. We’re already on the negative side as far as turnovers go. It is never a good sign when ULM and CSU create more turnovers than your own team.

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

trevor is about 30% correct bc on the TD to Reed, Reed was initially his 1st read but was covered so he went to his 2nd and 3rd and then Reed became his 4th read after he crossed the formation. It is def hard to hear from an OL on ESPN about how a qb should progress through his reads.

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by dj2fsu on Sep 15, 2011 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you're overreading into one play

To me this seems like one example of a larger issue. Landry Jones is now in his 3rd year as starter. Manuel just doesn’t have that kind of experience, and it’s that kind of experience that makes a big difference in the biggest games. We’ll see, but if I were a noles fan I would be worried.

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by leatherneck1061 on Sep 15, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong I am worried about how EJ will play. He struggles a lot more with accuracy than he does with his reads. I feel that he reads the field pretty well, he does have a tendency to stare down 1 wr at times but the accuracy is a bigger part. If we can run the ball then of course I will be more confident in the way he plays, but he hasnt shown his running ability yet which won us a game last year against Clemson who had a very talented D especially DL.

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by dj2fsu on Sep 15, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to think we're getting a huge weapon back

I think Travis Lewis is playing saturday boys, I didn’t think there was any way on monday, but i think he’s in ths game now, just a hunch, along with a few things i’ve heard today. I could be wrong but i’m thinking he’s in this game

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by pitbull17 on Sep 15, 2011 4:34 PM CDT reply actions  

what kind of shape would he be in?

A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2

by PalmAireNole on Sep 15, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fun Fact of the Day!!!

According to ESPN, EJ Manual has a 86% completion rate outside the pocket since the beginning of the 2010 season…. There you go OU, thats how you stop FSU on saturday!
:)

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by ValdostaNole on Sep 15, 2011 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

It's been repeatedly said that the way to stop Ej is to force him to read the D and make short to intermediate throws from the pocket.

Get him playing on instincts, i.e., pressure him, get him to throw on the run, force him to sling it down the field and that’s where he is playing better right now. Jitters, over thinking the reads and checks has him playing a head game with himself and not playing as well as he does on instincts and natural ability. Nice stat to add to what’s been said.

by NoleLaw on Sep 15, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scrambling QB's

OU has had its fair share of running qb’s to deal with. The thing about it, as soon as you get out of the pocket, the coverages are going to be harder to discern. And the secondary is pretty ball-hawkish. Though with OU’s dline being possibly suspect, blitzing linebackers may limit the defenders in space. So who knows. Man, I am excted for this game.

by Okiefilmer on Sep 15, 2011 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I know!

Let’s just play already!!

by soonergal5 on Sep 15, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Random Q that has nothing to do with the actual article

What are the chances of this game getting repeated at the end of the year with one of these teams undefeated and the other a 1 loss team?

by Talonkarde on Sep 16, 2011 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Unless it's really, really close

Or some kind of controversial ending, I’d find it hard to believe. tOSU & Michigan had a similar scenario to that several years back and voters weren’t for it. Now they played much later in the year than this game, so maybe things could be different but I really think they’d avoid a rematch if at all possible.

by Jordan Esco on Sep 16, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

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