OU vs. FSU - Injury Update
by Jordan Esco on Sep 14, 2011 6:55 PM CDT
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PrintJust wanted to get a quick post up since there has been some conflicting reports on the availability of OU's starting right tackle Daryl Williams. Coach Stoops spoke with the media after practice this evening and was quoted as saying that he "expects Williams to play." Now clearly that doesn't guarantee anything, but for OU fans it has to be at least somewhat of a positive sign. I we were going to see his backup, Lane Johnson, either way as the coaches typically rotate linemen in quite frequently. However, this news is potentially very encouraging if for nothing else a depth standpoint.
Stoops was also confirmed that LB Travis Lewis has in fact been in full pads in practice this week. He did say however that he has been limited and that he still does not expect Lewis to play Saturday.
As for Florida State, obviously Tomahawk Nation is your #1 source for info on the Noles and they have been updating on a regular basis the status of several injuries they're dealing with at wide receiver and corner back. Willie Haulstead is dealing with what appear to be some pretty serious concussion issues and has yet to practice this week. They would not better than I, but at this point it seems unlikely that he'll be available Saturday night. Also at wide out, Bert Reed has been dealing with an ankle issue and has been limited in practice. He's expect to be available Saturday, but could be at less than 100%. Also suffering from an ankle injury (just a sprain I believe) is CB Xavier Rhodes and was reportedly in a boot earlier in the week just for precautionary measures. There is no reason to believe he won't be out there Saturday night, but it remains to be seen just how much if at all it hampers him in coverage.
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Curious Nole fan hear, How do you all rotate O-linemen
By series? do you rotate just tackles one series Guards next, what is the strategy?
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
Seriously - rotating OLinemen?
Y’all are either farting roses and do something NO ONE in all of major football does.
What are you glorifying with your life?
something OU has done for the last prolly 7 years...
We just do.
by OU JJ on Sep 14, 2011 8:51 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
They still don't get it when we mention the pace.
Even espn acknowledges OU’s offense snaps the ball every 18 seconds. As well conditioned as our players are, they need a blow to keep the offense clicking.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
yep....
I don’t get it either. Besides the no huddle, I think they starting emphasizing rotating the line after the 04 season. When the 05 line was sooooo inexperienced & struggled. Of course that season was also chuck third & long’s last season…
by OU JJ on Sep 14, 2011 10:18 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
And what a group of young O-linemen we had on that 05 team.
It was with that group that the hurry up was introduced. I remember how the O-line made it a point to trim down and work on their endurance. That offense in 08 lit up the scoreboard like a pinball machine.
The fact that more schools are now trying to copy the hurry up is a testament to how effective it is.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
I still cant believe the Loadholt never passed out
Running up and down the field during Sam’s heisman year, the offense just went crazy that year
by King Sam Rules! on Sep 14, 2011 10:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What a fun year that was.
Loadholt was a load.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Farting roses????
well thats just stupid
Must be Rico's hobby. We may have to defer to his expertise.
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
by Terra Clepta on Sep 14, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what the formula is.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
How good is FSU's second corner really?
Cause Kenny Stills is the guy I think could torch FSU to the ground this week. He showed flashes last year, and now should be a consistent every game stud. Plus he is probably itching to get out there and play after missing week 1 and having the bye in week 2
by King Sam Rules! on Sep 14, 2011 10:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I have to slightly disagree with you on this
Because Kenny Stills is so good in the passing game. Because Franks, Hanna, and each running back is so good in the passing game. Because OU’s runnoing game is better than last year’s version. It will be Ryan Broyles again who lights up FSU.
FSU cannot afford to ‘take out’ one player or they’ll get run ruled. So they’ll have to play it straight and just get stomped.
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
by Terra Clepta on Sep 14, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
My thinking is that I know at least their #1 CB is really good
Kenny Stills would be a 1 for almost any team (besides us, Ok State, and South Carolina) so unless FSU has two corners who can cover top tier receivers, they might slow Ryan, but Kenny will not have much issue with his guy. Plus Norvell has said they are looking for Stills to have a huge game, so they will keep going to him if he is going off
by King Sam Rules! on Sep 14, 2011 10:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good point. I can see that.
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
by Terra Clepta on Sep 14, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
But the obvious nightmare we cause is
That we can line up Stills as the 1, DeJaun Miller as the 2, Broyles as the slot 1, and Franks as the slot 2. Find a guy in the country who’s job is to cover the second slot guy who is fast enough to cover Franks, or a #1 slot cover guy who can cover Broyles. Then put Clay in the backfield and you can not hope to cover us, especially if Landry gets any time at all
by King Sam Rules! on Sep 14, 2011 10:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
plus Dajuan is bigger than all the defenders...
Since most of the Nole posters are so wrapped up in that!! :-)
by OU JJ on Sep 14, 2011 10:48 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I see what you did there...
Seriously though, If you browse the TN site’s front page you will see why TN is fond of bigger Defenses…
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Sep 14, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
There have been a couple of Nole fans in recent weeks...
…that are just downright obsessed with players weights.
It has become a standing joke.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
one of our best players is Telvin Smith and he is around 200 lbs for a MLB but Jimbo likes to recruit big guys that can run so of course we are excited about guys like Christian Jones who is 6’4 240 and can run
"We are building a program not a team, it is about the process. We prepare everyday so we expect to win."
I know...It's kind of funny if you don't know the back story. I liked that joke there.
I’ve seen you guys poking fun. But Yes there are two articles permanently pinned to the fron page of TN about sizes of defenses if you want to know where they are getting it from.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Sep 14, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno about all that.
What I do know is there are about 10 posters obsessed with weight…. Obsessed
by OU JJ on Sep 14, 2011 11:01 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
one reason why SEC is always winning NC’s, big athletic guys that can run, which are the hardest players to find in the country and they are predominantly from the South. That is what FSU is trying to recruit now (is recruiting)
"We are building a program not a team, it is about the process. We prepare everyday so we expect to win."
Of course, every school wants big, athletic and fast players.
But to obsess over players weights is absurd.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Well if you have time it is a great read.
Short version…Bud’s seemingly proven theory is that the larger the front 7 the better chance of having a dominant defense.
That is why they, and myself included are intrigued shall we say with with your front seven’s weight being a little lighter, especially at LB.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Sep 14, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Quickness matters more than body weight.
OU’s defense is basically the same that played last year.
Here’s a video of just the FSU offense against the OU defense. Their size is not the critical factor.
I’ll take good sized players that are quick, speedy and smart, over just a bunch of big players.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
do you have the OU offense link as well
"We are building a program not a team, it is about the process. We prepare everyday so we expect to win."
Just an OU highlight.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
How is your d basically the same...lose Beal Box Carter Lewis, thats a few NFL guys not playing
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Sep 15, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Ronnell Lewis is probably better than Beal, and fill the same role
Wort is physically much better than Box (RIP) and now has more experience. Lewis is obviously the big loss. The combo though of guys like Wort and Jefferson and Hurst getting another year as starters and more experience hopefully will offset the loss of Travis, to an extent
by King Sam Rules! on Sep 15, 2011 8:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He may not be as big...
…but he is much, much quicker and faster.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Box didn't play in this game last year.
I said basically, if you look at the name on numbers of the players on the field in the video and compare them to today, they are basically the same.
For some reason, our now departed safeties were basically a non factor in this game last year.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Carter was a big hitter & a HUGE leader, positive role model & classy student athlete.
In games like this with mobile QBs he got burned several times. Against this type of team the loss if Carter isn’t as huge on the field as it would be against say OSU…
by OU JJ on Sep 15, 2011 11:21 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
You would just have to see what some of them have said.
That your QB weighing more than our LBs was a mismatch in his favor, as though their weight had nothing to do with how hard he gets hit.
Then they would turn around and say that the diminutive Reid was a very hard hitter.
And were unrelenting in their obsession with the weight of individual matchups, including total gross weights of positions and average per player.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Here’s the link…It explains in much better detail the first half of the article is in the first few lines… It is a great read…
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Sep 14, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
2 things re size:
1. OU runs a spread, hurry-up O so size isn’t as important for your O players. Don’t know about your D—player size might be tailored to the offensive style in the Big 12, e.g., pass-heavy, etc.
2. Re size, if you could choose between 2 players who were identical in respect to speed, quickness, athleticism, etc. but 1 of them was 10-20% bigger and therefore stronger, who would you prefer on your team?
Championship!
There aren't many of those freaks around.
I’ll take the speed, quickness, athleticism and smarts on a good sized player over a big’un with adequate skills any day.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Jimbo recruits players with both size & speed
we only need a few every recruiting cycle to fill needs of the front 7 of our D.
Championship!
Cover guys.
Harris (Sr.) is the best cover guy and will play the Slot 1 when we’re in nickel. Otherwise, he’ll play boundary corner.
Xavier Rhodes (Soph.) was last year’s starter and got bumped by Harris. He was a shut down corner and the ACC rookie of the year, 2nd team all-conference, etc. He’ll play Boundary Corner when we’re in Nickel or when Harris needs a break. Many thought he would turn pro ofter this season.
Greg Reid (Jr.) plays Field Corner and was the Bowl MVP. He makes big plays but he can give them up too.
If we need a safety to cover someone, the best we have is Lamarcus Joyner (Soph.) who was a 5* recruit, ranked the No. 1 CB by ESPN, USA Today defensive HS player of the year, etc. Last year he backed up Reid at corner.
All of them are top quality athletes. Joyner, Harris, and Rhodes will play in the NFL, Reid may get there but possibly as a return specialist. I do not expect Joyner to come up to the line and play someone in man coverage as we would be better off using a LB or a different safety and using Joyner to play center-field and prevent deep balls or TDs. The 4 above are all good in man coverage but will play a healthy dose of zones. How well they play zone coverage obviously depends on how well M.Stoops has coached them.
They get burned either way trying to double one of these receivers.
I sure they will try and get tricksy, dropping D-linemen back in coverage, disguising man coverage, etc., nothing we haven’t seen before. Mizzou had some success with dropping that really tall DE of theirs back, that’s where Landry’s experience comes in. I’m sure they will try blitzing, which doesn’t concern me very much. Landy is incredibly accurate on the run.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
We will not double any 1 wr
"We are building a program not a team, it is about the process. We prepare everyday so we expect to win."
I don't think you will, either.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Won't double any one receiver and can't cover them all separately. Sucks for FSU
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
by Terra Clepta on Sep 14, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
They will get tricksy.
Coaches will adjust. There really isn’t thing new that they can throw at Landry, he has BTDT.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Absolutely. The Big XII has tried to stop the various spread offences for years. FSU won't bring anything new.
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
by Terra Clepta on Sep 14, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
In all honesty
I don’t know how they can cover everyone when OU floods and spreads the field….once Stills is back, there are going to be so many different weapons thrown at them. I really think it’s gonna be crazy to watch. But then they may not want to get too complicated with the offense in an environment where they have trouble hearing one another.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
by leatherneck1061 on Sep 14, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
not blitzing and being able to contain the run with 6 in the box, but there is no doubt that OU will move the ball we just need to try and limit you guys to field goals, instead of scoring TD’s
"We are building a program not a team, it is about the process. We prepare everyday so we expect to win."
This will be difficult
If our O-line gets the push they had during the first game.
by soonergal5 on Sep 15, 2011 11:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hah
Did you take notice of the 2 JV squads you guys played….wasn’t exactly Bama and LSU….pal.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
by leatherneck1061 on Sep 15, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Im sorry I didnt realize
that I made any sort of comment about what FSU would do against the Sooners based on what we did the first 2 games like your ill informed follower did… Go ahaead…….
D-Hop has tiger blood
Your wasting your time trying to say anything sensible.
He refuses to acknowledge that
A) a team from OK could be a JV squad
2) the “JV squad” OU faced has a worse defense than the ULM squad FSU faced
D) the “JV squad” OU faced might be in the top 4 in its conference but the ULM JV squad FSU faced is favored to actually win its conference
Boomer) That defense is played with DEs, LBs, CBs, and the like because he claims the Tulsa JV squad’s offense somehow played run defense against OU and
4 fingers) neither OU’s performance against its warmup team or FSU’s two scrimmages have anything to do with what will happen when they face each other except for injuries that may have happened during those warm up games.
It is all non-sensicle and a waste of time to try to have a dialog that makes any sense with him.
our 3 corners are Reid, Rhodes and Harris
both Rhodes and Harris will be in the NFL, the team says Rhodes is with out a doubt the best cover corner we have but the media does not talk about him as Reid gets most of the talk but Rhodes and Mike Harris are very good corners. Harris will play the Nickle and no one will play a specific man.
"We are building a program not a team, it is about the process. We prepare everyday so we expect to win."
is Rhodes still in the walking boot?
I know it was precautionary, but did he go thru any reps at all yet?
by OU JJ on Sep 14, 2011 10:46 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Jimbo slaps a boot on the slightest ankle sprains.
Kenny Shaw had a boot on for maybe a day or two and was back to full practice and playing.
Rhodes is a boundary corner
but Rhodes, Reid & Harris are probably the best 3 corners collectively in the country. Both Reid & Rhodes are on watch list for the best corner in the country, and Harris beat out Rhodes for the starting job in the off-season (note: Rhodes was out all Spring due to injury).
Championship!
We have 2 NFL Locks in Mike Harris and Xavier Rhodes.
As well a MUCH improved Greg Reid and a Lamarcus Joyner who was a Parade All American in 2010 at safety (played corner all last year so he can come and do man to man well). We have 4 Quality Cover guys. However OU has MANY weapons in the passing game including their RBs. It’ll be a tough match-up for the Noles’.
by NolesHeatBraves on Sep 14, 2011 10:36 PM CDT reply actions
On top of all the weapons we have
We can move Broyles to any receiver spot on the field and find a guy who he can pick on
by King Sam Rules! on Sep 14, 2011 10:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The coaches will choose the matchups they want.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
wont be able to pick on anyone but the FS (Moody or Parks) but they will not be in a position to get picked on, I would kill myself if either one had to man up any of the OU wr’s
"We are building a program not a team, it is about the process. We prepare everyday so we expect to win."
I would personally suspect the WRs clear space out for the TE
& the RB passing game.
Would also expect Millard to get some early carries up the gut…
by OU JJ on Sep 14, 2011 10:58 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
That is why I am so excited about this game, OU has a great offense better than last year. So I am looking forward to see the progress we have made since last game and how much further we have to go in order to win a NC in 2012
"We are building a program not a team, it is about the process. We prepare everyday so we expect to win."
I hope both teams play their best.
Nothing I hate more than what should be a good game and one of the teams is just flat.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Sorry can't agree with you there
I’ll take a W however I can get it…..whether by blowout or by squeaker :)
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
by leatherneck1061 on Sep 15, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh I want the V and expect it.
I just hate it when a game gets hyped and one of them doesn’t show up.
If OU plays as we know they can, it really doesn’t matter which FSU team shows up, I just would prefer they did so there is no diminishing the victory.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Really?
Cause blowing out FSU was hilariously fun last year
by King Sam Rules! on Sep 15, 2011 8:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
When I watch 2 teams I don’t care about, I like to see a good game. When I’m watching my team, a good game usually means I’m on the verge of heart failure by the end of it. I just want to steamroll everyone we play; then I can sit back, have a beer and a snack, talk trash on CC machine, and really enjoy the game.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
by leatherneck1061 on Sep 15, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless Mark Stoops is significantly a better defensive coordinator than either of his brothers… FSU isn’t going to be able to come up with anything on defense that Bob won’t immediately know the weaknesses of.
This is probably the biggest game/text of M. Stoops career
over the off-season his name was thrown around as possible HCs for some of the vacated positions, e.g., tOSU, etc. But IMO he’s never proven that his D can win at the highest level. This is his chance.
Note: he was the DB coach at Miami in 2001 when they won the national championship. IMO DC is different in kind from DB coach.
Championship!
And being a DB coach in the 2001 Big East required a much different skillset than being a DB coach in the 2011 Big XII…
I’m sure Mark Stoops is one of the best d-coordinators in the country… I think the primary reason that Bob Stoops is soooooo good in the BigXII is because he’s familiar with the teams, and that gives a defensive-minded guy a major advantage.
Bob can probably do a pretty good job of figuring out what Mark is going to want to do… and then the offensive coaches can exploit the weaknesses in that attack.
And, at the end of the day… FSU and OU are pretty similar in a lot of what they do. Similar offensive and defensive schemes. But OU has the better offense, and FSU’s defense will look a lot like the one they practice against everyday…
Bob can probably do a pretty good job of figuring out what Mark is going to want to do… and then the offensive coaches can exploit the weaknesses in that attack.
The advantage of being multiple is that you change from play to play and it is a cat and mouse game guessing what will happen on which play. The speed at which OU runs doesn’t give a whole lot of time for Bob to guess, get the call to the O, get it in and run it. Similarly, M.Stoops has been installing no-call and quick call plays for the D, so that they can line up and know the D play without having to get it from the sideline. Bob might look at situations and halftime adjustments, but I don’t know how much of a factor Bob will be for the OU offense during the game.
Bob won't be calling plays for the offense...
The guy doing that wore #14 in the last National Championship game the Noles played in.
Remember him?
by It'sTheVoice on Sep 15, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
sounds strangely to that theory you hold so close about 1st year in the system
as to why your secondary was torched last year. You are now confident that Mark has instilled a no-call & quick call & think those same players are gonna get it? I mean they didnt get it at all last fall….. just sayin
We'll see
There hasn’t been much mention of it but Greg Reid mentioned something about M.Stoops having coached them on how to get lined up and in the right defense without huddling or getting the call from the sideline in prep for OU. I imagine its something he’s been working on for quite a while considering our 1st half of the season is against spread/no huddle teams. It is not just prep for OU. Noise when OU has the ball in fact create difficulty for our defense getting their calls in. I would’ve guessed that there are just a few calls that might be made possibly depending on down & distance or OU’s formation unless Stoops has some sort of rotation of coverages or some plain vanilla base package when not in the red zone. If it is dependent on a safety making the coverage calls, then crowd noise may hurt.
I’m not confident in the play calling aspect that I’ve never witnessed, but glad that M.Stoops recognizes that it will be difficult to get calls in and has tried to do something about it. There is a difference between getting a call in and not knowing what to do even when the call is in.
I have come to the decision
that no matter what a nole fan says about our defense the sooner crowd will say that they have something better and almost unstopable to counter. Cant double broyles, no one can stick with him in man, Stills will beat you if you stop Broyles, if you blitz, Jones is accurate on the run, O line will get a good push. OU was not 30 points better than FSU as a team last year. Just like FSU was not 30 points better than Miami. You caught us on a night when we werent ready to play just like we did to Miami. I think the game will be closer than OU thinks. They will not run roughshod on FSU again.
All that said I still think that FSU loses, but the OU fans act like this will be another route and I just dont see it.
D-Hop has tiger blood
Your o-line’s interior couldn’t hold up against vastly inferior opponents and your WR corps is horribly banged up; your offense is going to be extremely limited.
OU has one of the top offenses in the nation that, when it wants to, plays at a speed that cannot be simulated in practice…
Unless your defense channels their inner LSU, I see the game getting out of hand as soon as OU wants it to.
So when OU struggles it is only because it wants to. Ha ha.
FSU also has a top 10 offense, which will score at will as fast or as slow as it wants and if it struggles, it is only because we want to tease OU into thinking it has a chance. You have my salute Captain.
Now that the game is over...
OU showed flashes of being dominant against FSU’s defense. FSU showed glimpses of being lucky. Outside of Manuel’s handful of designed runs and your backup QB getting super lucky, I didn’t see much from that FSU offense.
OU never had a problem moving the ball against FSU when it really, really needed to. FSU threw interceptions when it really, really needed to…
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