OU vs. Florida State - Why Sooner fans should be nervous
This is the first of a two part preview series for our big game this week against the Seminoles. The second "OU vs. Florida State - Why Sooner fans should be confident" will go up in the next day or two. I think by the title they're pretty self explanatory, but just so there is no confusion the intention of this post is to try and take an objective look at legitimate reasons why OU fans should be worried heading into Saturday. Florida State is not undeservedly ranked #5 in the country, so there are obviously legit reasons for Sooner fans to be concerned. So we're taking off the crimson colored glasses and attempting to take an objective look at what those might be. Admittedly, I clearly do not know as much about the Noles as you (their fans) do so if there is something we miss or somewhere you see as having a significant advantage, please feel free to chime in.
First though, a little house cleaning note. Despite the belief of some of our friends (and soon to be frequent visitors) over at Tomahawk Nation, all of us here at CCM are not so blindly confident that we cannot see the threat that FSU presents. Also, while we're clearing things up I've noticed a propensity for some of our visitors to take some of the things written here in a very 'literal' sense. I'll present an example for you to come back and reference throughout the week: When I say/write that Florida State has nothing at WR that overly concerns me when matched up against Jamell Fleming or Demontre Hurst, that does not mean that I believe E.J. Manuel will have zero completions and zero passing yards Saturday. It also does not mean that none of your WRs will catch a ball the entire game, so when it does happen (and it will) you do not need to come here to say "I told you so", deal? Cool. Now let's get back to the point of this.
Reason #A - This is a road night game right?
Look, OU fans don't need any reminders about our struggles in road games during the Stoops tenure. Unfortunately, in order to make my point a reminder is what you're about to get so feel free to skip ahead. 2010 - @ Mizzou, @ A&M, 2009 - @ Miami, @ Nebraska, 2007 - @ Tech. I think you get the point, so for the OU fans still with us we'll stop there. I think it was CCMachine who I remember saying it here, though I'm sure there are plenty of others who were thinking the same thing, that the game against FSU this week seems eerily similar to the 2009 Miami game. A road night game, the year after a blowout win in Norman, a team looking to make a statement on national television due to said blowout. One big difference in my opinion though, this Florida State team is much better than that Miami team.
It's more than just the obvious difference of this FSU team being #5 and that Miami team being #17. While that Miami team had its fair share of talent, this Seminoles team is ridiculously loaded thanks to Jimbo Fisher's dominance on the recruiting trail in recent years. Now understandably some of that talent is very young and it's unsure at this point how large a role they might play on Saturday, but great players step up in big games and this roster is chuck full of potentially great players.
Lastly, despite what some others (myself included) have written here about the fan support/crowd I don't think there is anyone here who actually believes they won't show up in full force. I have no doubt they will be rowdy, they will be loud, and will play a role in the game. The best case scenario for us as OU fans is to get up early and try to take them out of the game, but given the circumstances surrounding this game I'm quite sure if they have even the slightest of chances they'll find a reason to get loud no matter what the scoreboard says.
Reason #2 - E.J. Manuel is not a small man
Cam Newton played most of last year around 6'5" 245 pounds. E.J. Manuel currently checks in around 6'5" 245 pounds. Again, not something we OU fans need a reminder of is the problems we've had defending mobile QBs who can extend plays with their legs. It's not really a matter of if, but when Manuel gets outside of the pocket or eludes the rush Saturday night. And when he does, at that size, he will not be easy to bring down especially when you consider we'll be putting out a LB unit that check in at 219 lbs, 229 lbs, and 199 lbs respectively. If a QB is able to lower his shoulder and deliver a blow on a LB, that doesn't necessarily bode well for the defense trying to stop him. Now can he hold up the entire game if he's having to take hit after hit? A fair question, but at his size he's much more apt to be able to do so than a non-beast sized QB. That's not even taking into consideration how difficult he might be to get down when they do get pressure, just getting to him is no guaranteed sack at that size.
Additionally, the scariest part is given their first two opponents the Noles haven't even had to ask Manuel to do any running with the ball. Just like we all assume OU did in their opener, FSU has surely held plenty back in their first two games in anticipation of this showdown.
Reason #D - No Travis Lewis
Let me qualify this by restating my opinion, since the day his injury was announced, I still think Lewis plays in this game. I could be proven wrong, but until I see him come out of that tunnel Saturday night without his pads on I'm sticking with my belief that there is no way he doesn't suit up. He might not be 100% or the Travis Lewis we've all become accustomed to, but if he's able to play his presence is more than worth it. All that said, it would be foolish not to consider the (likelihood?) possibility that he won't be able to go. So under that premise, you have to consider how big this game is and what missing him might mean for this defense.
Without Lewis, this is a pretty young defense without a true, established leader. Do some of those younger, inexperienced players get overwhelmed with the magnitude of this game? Do they get caught up in the atmosphere and get caught out of position? Can FSU play on their aggressiveness and capitalize? These are all things that worry me about Saturday night.
Reason #4 - Landry's happy feet
You have to take into consideration the opponents, but through two games the Noles have tallied seven sacks. For whatever issues we might question their defense under Mark Stoops, the front four and their ability to get pressure on the QB is not one of them. It's also highly unlikely that Stoops has shown, in their first two games, a tenth of what he has planned for Saturday night. I'd expect them to try and exploit OU's inexperience at the right tackle position, whether it's Daryl Williams or Lane Johnson in there.
With respect to Landry, obviously it was only one game but he appeared to be improved under pressure in the opener against Tulsa. His throw away balls were well out of reach of defenders, as they should be, and he didn't really come close to an INT that night. Now to be sure, FSU will have considerably more talent up front than Tulsa did so it's just not feasible to presume that the o-line can keep Landry as clean as they did that night. Landry's ability to make smart decisions with the ball under said pressure will be HUGE in this game. Controlling the momentum of the game, especially by avoiding something like a pick six, will be incredibly important if OU wants to win this game.
Reason #Cinco - What if we need a game winning field goal?
To put it simply, this is a nightmare scenario. If, god forbid, this game came down to an OU field goal attempt to win, well I shudder at the thought. Actually, paralyzed by fear would probably be a more accurate way to describe it. Heading into the game, we're not even sure who will be sent out there to take the first PAT or FG. Will it be Jimmy Stevens after missing an XP and not finishing the game last week or his replacement that night Michael Hunnicutt, who was perfect in all his attempts? We don't know and to be perfectly honest, right now I'm not sure Bob Stoops does either.
Reason #6 - The Wheel Route
This one is kind of in jest at least with respect to one individual type of play, but there has to be concern about big plays on busted coverages after what we saw against Tulsa. Clearly we hope it's something they can correct during these last two weeks of practices, but don't think FSU won't try and include something in their gameplan to play off the issues the OU defense had defending that play. Having re-watched that Tulsa game several times, I don't think it's as simple as replacing Javon Harris either. Despite his issues in coverage, he was very good in run support and I think he brings too much in that part of the defense to simply take him out. I fully expect him to be in the starting eleven on Saturday and won't be surprised if he has a really good game either.
Reason #7 Costanza - Greg Reid will want to redeem himself
What better one to close with right? I'll let you know this will appear here and on the reasons we should be confident post as well, but for now let's focus on why G5 should make us nervous. Look It's no secret we've had some fun at the expense of the talented young man and the frequency with which he got beat last year in Norman. We already know the kid doesn't need any reminding from us and has used it as a motivator all offseason. Add to that he'll be coming off a one game suspension with even more reason to make a statement. To be clear, I'm talking more about him in the return game but I'm not arrogant enough to think he won't have improved in coverage (though if you're reading this Greg, please feel free to prove me wrong).
So while I think we have one of the better punters in the country (hint, hint to the confidence post), I also think any chance (no matter how small or even non-existent) Reid has to return one he takes it. Now could that come back to bite him, like with a muffed punt, maybe. Could that also lead to a game changing punt return for a touchdown? Sure, why not. The point is, not matter how much fun we've had, the guys is a serious threat with the ball in his hands. Now if he plays as poorly again as he did in Norman, then I'm quite sure he'll maintain his special place amongst Sooner Nation but I don't think we should just assume that happens.
So there it is, part one of two is done. Is there something you think I should have included and didn't? Is there something you think I shouldn't have included? As always, your comments are welcome and appreciated.
Putting this together, I've come to one inevitable conclusion. Man, it's gonna be a long wait all week for this one!
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I'm jealous
That he beat me using it
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Sep 12, 2011 5:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
one thing I've read from some nole fans
Is that the crowd noise will slow down our offense. That is just not the case. It is no big deal for our offense to go to a silent count. The offense will get over 85 plays in at the least.
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Sep 11, 2011 11:20 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Nobody is saying OU will not run 80 plays this game, we all expect that.
it’s about running those 80 plays with precision and making sure everyone is on the same page. Most of us FSU fans have realized over the past few years that everyone must be on the same page every play. OU could have the best QB in the country, but if receivers aren’t running the correct routes then it does no good (just and example, not saying OU’s wide outs tend to do that). Considering OU’s away game woes, a very good arguement could be made for the home team crowd.
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by ValdostaNole on Sep 12, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Ummmm… unless your croud is capable of getting so loud as to make it impossible to hear hand signals…
If Miami's lackluster excuse of a home crowd can make a difference......
Then we know the crowd at Doak will…. I think you are seriously underestimating the timing OU has on offense and that if it is disrupted, even by a little bit, it can cause many problems.
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by ValdostaNole on Sep 12, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Miami's crowd had nothing to do with the loss in 2009
Sam Bradford was expected to start that season after coming back following a Heisman winning season. Instead, he suffered a shoulder injury against BYU which led to Landry Jones being the go-to-guy. Not to mention stud TE Jermaine Gresham was on crutches and Ryan Broyles injured himself on a TD haul in. So now the Sooners were without 3 star players and were forced to play inexperienced players at those positions.
The reality was that injuries were the main cause of the one-point-loss in Miami and Oklahoma had every shot to win that game. Not making excuses. Just don’t attribute the loss to crowd noise when it clearly wasn’t.
After getting the play from the sidelines
doesn’t Landry need to then message this (or something, e.g,. snap count) to his OL & RBs? I seem to remember QBs on teams that get play changes from the sideline doing this…
Championship!
It’s my understanding that everyone gets the playcall from the sidelines, and then the QB goes and yells protection changes / snap count to the line.
Where croud noises creates a problem is trying to communicate the plays to wide receivers. Generally the QB can still signal the line just fine because he can get right into their ear.
Don't think this will be that big an issue
We play in College Station regularly, and that’s one of the noisiest places I think that I’ve ever seen. I think we’ll deal with the noise at Doak fairly well.
That didn't sound quite right
Um….“one of the noisiest places I’ve ever heard.” There, that’s better.
Nole fans aren't expecting delay of game penalties, etc., from OU's offense due to noise
what we hope for is that the crowd noise takes your offense longer to snap the ball, hence giving our D players more time to get into position. We’d also be happy if the noise resulted in some false starts :)
Championship!
When our offense is going full speed, they aren’t communicating verbally anyway. It’s get the play and go… I don’t think your noise will stop that.
I also don’t expect your croud will be too loud while we’re going full speed, because we only go “full speed” when we just gashed you. Crouds tend to quiet down when your defense gets gashed.
I'm still not buying the Noles as a top ten team
I live in Tallahassee, and in two games against crap opponents, no one on offense or defense has looked like more than a guy just going out there and playing. They have no Gabbert, no Luck, no Newton, no Blackmon, no Broyles. I don’t even think their rb’s are as good as Whaley, and he its not like he is some world beater. They have no on defense like Suh, McCoy, Amukamara, Jefferson, Lewis. They seem all scheme, no playmaker
by King Sam Rules! on Sep 11, 2011 11:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Really!? I don't think a single thing you said is even a little accurate.
OU should win this game but “no playmaker” You have watched football… ANY football before, right?
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Couldn't have said it better
You’re absolutely correct that FSU has zero play makers on defense. Greg Reid didn’t personally shut down Alshon Jefferey (Biletnikoff award finalist) in a very physical bowl game, while also breaking Marcus Lattimore’s jawbone in the same game. LB’s Telvin Smith and Christian Jones are horrible at tackling on kick off coverage, but most importantly though Brandon Jenkins wasn’t selected as a pre-season all-american who racked up 13.5 sacks last season.
They play in the ACC
the second weakest conference in America.
by King Sam Rules! on Sep 12, 2011 7:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Love it
When George Rogers (USCe Heisman Winner) was asked in a radio interview, how did FSU manage to beat USCe in the Chick Filet last year, he pointed to the ACC. Second best team in a second rate conference. Then he said, paraphrasing, “But it was pretty obvious when the game started that FSU was much better than we expected. Those boys came to play and they pretty much shut us up.”
OU is no doubt the better team in this match-up and the clear favorite, but I pray your thinking is in the back of your players minds, especially after last year’s blow out.. That could get a team beat.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Pac12 and Big10 have not shown to be better this season.
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ACC has more then the Sooners conferance
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Thank goodness we don't have to play Texas
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I’d buy not a top-5, maybe, but you can’t seriously name 10 teams better.
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Who are Jefferson and Lewis? Ray Lewis?
No, FSU does not have a Suh or McCoy.
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After the game
You will not be asking who Jefferson is…You will be saying…“Sure wish somebody would have told us about Tony Jefferson before the game!!”
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I know who that Jefferson is. I also know he does not belong in a group with the first two guys.
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yeah and prince Amaka... whatever
Was OWNED by our 5th best WR.
McCoy, Suh, sure he doesn’t belong…
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 10:27 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
my bad I thought Suh was at end of list... sorry
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 10:29 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
thats why they have a team!
It’s hard to stand out when everyone around you is good. If you cant look at the stats from those two games and see anything special, then you should probably follow volley ball. Also, u should know that these first two games were scrimmages. Jimbo’s game plan was more about getting the noles ready for the ‘real season’ than it was about beating these teams.
So I’m curious …. tell me the ten teams u think are better than FSU
by Reco Jackson on Sep 13, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
More fuel
Here’s a pretty good write up (slide show) of many causes for concern. They are fairly loaded with talent. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/800338-florida-state-football-2011-xx-bold-predictions-for-seminoles-2011-season
Man..
this is a pretty crazy read. And when I saw pretty crazy….i mean insane
by Soonerfan89 on Sep 11, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. He's just playing the "Bold predictions" odds
If we do somehow manage to pull an upset FSU plays Wofford (I mean Clemson) next week.
And after that the sorries ACC schedule I’ve seen in a long time. all the way to gainsville.
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yea i figured....
not trying to bash it or anything.
As nole fan
If anything coming from BR is talking about positives for us. Then all those things are terrible for us. BR is the fantasy site of college football. Like their 13-0 prediction with a Miami National champion last year. I would feel better about my team if they said they would not win a game and were the worst team in football. Would mean they were NC contenders
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I would its pretty rediculous. ;-)
Not imposible like I said, but way out on a limb for sure.
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OU is not playing the ACC, they are playing FSU
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If Travis Lewis plays, it will be huge
The busted coverages from Javon Harris against Tulsa might have been prevented had Travis been in the game. With his leadership and vocals, he might have been able to communicate with Harris during the game, helping him be in the proper position.
In a way, I think reason number 4 and 6 are interrelated due to this.
If he plays
No way he is 100%. Definitely want him on the field if he can go. But a fast, big, and physical team with a running QB might make him a lot less beastly. He missed much of camp and to jump in and play FSU after like 4 days of practice is tough. Especially cutting and getting to full speed as quick with a foot injury. He still brings a leadership aspect. And he just may be the type that comes out like nothing effects him. But still no way he is 100%. Which can be the difference on a play that does or does not break. But I would not put anything past him overall
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Looks like he's not playing
Per his twitter account.
by hookermctitties on Sep 12, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I find #2 funny
considering the conversation I had on here in another thread
where’s EasTex and OU JJ?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
I hear high humidity plays havoc on allergies
lol
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 12, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
while that is true....lol.... I think mine are good & fired up from the wild fires near where I live.
I had an allergic food reaction last year (the whole airway closed etc) & since then I am more prone to a quick & sudden reaction. It sucks. But I dont want to be this way flying Friday morning to Tally.
dang man, that doesn't sound good
you should go get a shot of some high dose antihistamines or something. Just tell the doctor that its “affecting the quality of your life.” They eat that phrase up and can’t help but write you a Rx.
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 12, 2011 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah but sadly I have a rx for an antihistamine that's like 50% stronger than a regular.
I try not go the shot route as I have to “save it” for when it’s closing my airway. I really think the fires at Possum Kingdom (between here & ft worth) have just really polluted the air… Ugh.
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 12:32 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
rampant wildfires and a place called possum kingdom
this sounds like the beginning of a joke about oklahoma
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 12, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he is throwing out the weights assuming Tony Jefferson
The Roy safety plays up as a LB.
Most of the true LBs weigh between 229 & 249. And essentially one DE is a LB…. at 265.
So IDK……
Maybe
y’alls depth chart on rivals lists a bunch of little guys at LB. 199,219 and so on
Is there a more accurate one out there?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 12, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it is more like he is throwing Travis Lewis out of the equation, then looking at the smaller lineup.
That and the depth chart has a different weight listed for Wort than the roster does. Who knows.
also true
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This would be correct
I think he is throwing out the weights assuming Tony Jefferson
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You OU guys expect to shadow EJ like you did Ponder and take away the underneath stuff with shallow zones again?
What’s the strategy?
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EJ hasn't even learned how to stay in the pocket
"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer
That doesn't answer the question at all. I'm asking if he gets a spy in case he runs, or not.
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EJ stays in the Pocket a lot
He is a pocket passer with amazing legs. I think he had 2 or 3 designed run first 2 games and only scrambled out of the pocket a few times. Its actually surprising how long he stays in and tries to. Now that can also be attributed to him being instructed to try and stay. But for his career is has generally been a person that stays in
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He didn't do that a couple of years ago against Maryland. Maybe Jimbo has scouted OU and instructs him to run more. IDK.
If I had a bet
It would be that we run 15-20 option/zone read plays in this game. EJ’s legs and size are too big a factor to not be used, especially when all 3 linebackers are smaller than him
I agree he runs a lot in this game
My comment was in response to him not knowing how to stay in the pcket
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Our first two games sorta beg to differ
considering he was basically given a mandate not to scramble
Having said that, I fully expect him to take off early and often on Sat and Im looking forward to that
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 12, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
But that alone scares me
I have not been impressed even a little with our O-line in the first 2 games. Not sure if there intentionally playing bad/dumb but the line just seems to be off this year. I really like EJ’s mobility but if our O-line doesn’t show up and do a bit of run blocking I fear we may be in for a long night.
Go Noles.
Designed runs will need to work
After not sowing the option even once I don’t think first 2 games. And the run blocking questionable. It will be interesting to see with him being let loose makes a difference. I think his best runs will be if he scramble in pass pro. The Line has been good in pass pro. So if he gets time and nothing opens I can see him getting 7 or 8 yard scrambles if they dont spy.
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I can also see us changing Stork and Krug at C/G to improve the run blocking. Jimbo hinted he might do this.
We’re still trying to find that right combination to replace McMahon/Hudson.
FSU had 3 healthy defensive tackles in the VT game
We have 9 now
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FSU had 3 healty tackles in the VT game
We have 9 now
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"I am not a spokeman"
Exactly, did you just finish up on WC?
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EJ requires a different approach
Don’t get too impressed by the comparison, but the approach Venables took with Vince Young would likely be ideal here. VY was a far better runner, and was incredible at creating something from nothing. The biggest mistake teams make with guys like that is giving them time to create something. EJ, like VY, needs to be pressured. 6’5", 245 goes down even against 6’1", 219 if the latter is moving at full speed while the former is shuffling in the pocket.
Press up with the zone, take away the short/intermediate passes and make Manuel hit tough, deep throws on the move.
That is not how I would play him. I would make EJ drive and be consistent on the short/intermediate.
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press the zone, take away the short/intermediate passes.....
if you are doing this he cant be consistent.
Then you’re leaving the deep stuff which he throws very well.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In fact he throws a better deep ball at the moment
then the short stuff. He hasn’t proven he can read over the middle yet but on a deep ball he can sure sling it.
His deep ball is not better
I watched him overthrow receivers by 5-10 yards 3-4 times when the receiver had multiple step on the DB this weekend
D-Hop has tiger blood
He'll be better when he plays instinctively and doesn't have the time to think about what he's doing.
It will be more like an FSU practice.
So you think he throws a better ball in the flat
over the middle? On the Slant? His down field throws are his strength and the one he wants to throw. Hardly does he check down.
No. I should have said it not as good as we think
We talk about his deep ball like its heaven sent and its not.
D-Hop has tiger blood
Good thing that Smith can reach up to the heavens to pull it down and Bert can run under any mana that may fall.
Hope Bert plays
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Here's the reality:
EJ likes to throw the deep ball and has had some success, but he’s more efficient throwing short – mid-range passes. And short – mid-range passes are what he has thrown while at FSU… and he’s been efficient doing so: his completion percentage last year was 69.9% with a passer rating of 153.3. And just for comparison, those 2 #s are better than Landry Jones had in 2009 or 2010. Note: I’m not saying EJ is a better passer than Landry—he isn’t—just that he is an efficient QB, which is inconsistent with the impression that people have of EJ, i.e., he’s inaccurate, wild, etc.
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It's still low percentage ball. Plus, helps with the run stopping, and gets the ball back to OU quicker either way.
just some counter points… not sure which I’d take.
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because our secondary is NOT the weakness, that's why we
Would try to be more disruptive & let them make plays if needed, we trust the secondary on those deep balls
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Those safeties? ok…
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Safety would be more appropriate
There are no concerns with Aaron Colvin.
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Bud
Forgive me as this may be the crimson glasses, but I just haven’t been impressed with EJ’s deep ball. Don’t get me wrong, he’s got a cannon. That doesn’t mean he can put the ball on the money, though. I haven’t seen him have to do that, yet.
Furthermore, FSU’s WR’s, while not elite, do have one thing in spades: speed. They’re not fast enough to just blow past Fleming or Hurst on a go route, but they’re fast enough to turn a 5 yard slant into 15 yards and a 12 yard post into 50 yards. With a guy like EJ Manuel being as fast and mobile as he is, your back 7 is going to have to able to give support. You can’t have your safeties back in Cover 2 with your CB’s 7 yards off the line.
Thus, take away the gimme routes, keep men close to the line to kill any bootlegs/scrambling, and make EJ Manuel be a pure passer. Make him hit the NFL caliber passes downfield.
Don't be surprised to see Bert Reed or Rashad Greene run some go routes.
Both have 4.4 or sub 4.4 speed. Speedwise, they’ll hold their own with any BCS receiver. Maybe no one can run a go route on your boys, but I wouldn’t expect FSU to tear that one out of the playbook. I would expect a skinny post route to be more successful though.
This is where
The play of our entire two deep DEs give me confidence. Call me crazy but I truly believe our pass rush will be incredible by midseason.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Sep 12, 2011 3:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My guess would be absolutely
You OU guys expect to shadow EJ like you did Ponder and take away the underneath stuff with shallow zones again?
I expect it to be Ronnell Lewis for a majority of the game, which could actually help you because when they do this he effectively removes himself from the pass rush.
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I would rather they rush him unmercifully.
Make him make fast and poor decisions passing the ball. So what if he runs, that won’t generate enough offense or points to win the game and will just get their QB banged up. Without a balanced attack on offense, all they will be left with is to HOPE for some big plays and HOPE is not a strategy. Further, I doubt the FSU QB has seen a defense as fast and ferocious as OU’s since the limited action he got in Norman last year, with the possible exception of the VT conference championship game and look how that turned out, beginning with a pick six by VT.
This will not be a low scoring slobber knocker like the Big 12 championship game was with Nebraska and I don’t believe FSU’s offense will be able to generate enough points to win based on what we know right now. Maybe their OC has a plan and has identified what he believes are weaknesses in OU’s defense, we shall soon see, but I’m certain Venables will have plans of his own based on the perceived weaknesses of the FSU offense.
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Oh, believe me
That is what I would prefer as well. That’s just not the history of what Stoops/Venables do against this kind of QB.
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I really don’t think that makes sense. I’d give EJ the big pass and make him prove he can be consistently accurate and on time underneath and in the intermediate middle. He can absolutely hit the big play (Career Yards/attempt of almost 9)
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Bud, is it me or
Has EJ regressed. It seems that EJ has gotten into a very bad habit of staring his receivers down in the first two games. I’m worried that the O-line isn’t going to give EJ time to properly go through his reads.
definitely has not regressed.
Have to realize what you are watching (not the full offense)
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This makes the offense very hard to read right now. really won't know for sure what we look like till Sat at about 10pm ET
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He was blatantly staring at his recievers last game.
I believe the commentators even made mention of it and Jimbo got on him about as well
D-Hop has tiger blood
He's more pauseing than starring. he's making progressions, which is the opposit of watching one WR
He’s just pausing once he turns to “make sure” he’s open. IMO he’s got to read turn to throw and pull it down in motion if he’s not there.
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Forcing him to make quick decisions would be my preferred approach.
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Making him think is
whats caused his two INT’s….Making him react has lead to “school yard” football and good things for FSU in his realatively short history as FSU’s qb
Unless you're going to stunt Ronnell up the middle, you'll effectively remove him from the game by having him try to rush around the end.
Our tackles are seniors who will be playing at the next level. I think one of them (Datko) has been predicted to go in the top 10 selections of the draft and some people think Sanders is better. If you’re going to pressure EJ, it will be by blitzing or something coming up the middle where we have younger less experienced guys. Ronnell’s best hope of touching EJ is on an EJ scramble/run.
Respectfully disagree
I’ve seen FSU’s tackles. They’re both not THAT good. Don’t get me wrong, we’re going to have to bring 5 to get consistent pressure. However, Datko is good, but he’s not Outland/erase any DE good. The other guy (Sanders) is going to get beat a couple of times even with just a 4 man rush.
The interesting part of these lines is that it’s strength vs. strength and weakness vs. weakness. Our interior DL is the least proven group on the d-line, and our starting DE’s are easily one of the strongest parts of the team.
ESPN on Datko
No. 7. Andrew Datko, LT, Florida State
2010 stats: He allowed just one sack in 11 games (all starts) last season, and held off heralded pass rushers from Oklahoma, Miami, Clemson, Florida and Virginia Tech. He was penalized just three times and had five missed assignments in 691 snaps. Datko’s season average grade of 87 percent was second on the team only to Rodney Hudson.
He is a candidate for both the Lombardi and Outland trophies.
He’s 6’6", 321 lbs. You’re talking about a 1st round NFL LT right there. Some scouts have commented that they think Sanders (RT) is better. Both will play in the league.
by NoleLaw on Sep 12, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now there's a point I've noticed about FSU. They considerably cut down their penalties by the end of last year.
Much more disciplined now.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt that you have critically watched either of FSU's tackles.
If so you would never had made such an obviously ill-informed post.
by Blue Horseshoe on Sep 12, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
EJ played well against South Carolina last yea rin the bowl
and they were a pretty decent SEC defense that qualifies as “fast and ferocious.”
by NicktheNole on Sep 12, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
We see one much better every day in practice
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IDK EJ may be the majority of our run game... of coarse spying him also takes away a defender on runs with other players not to mention coverage.
The thinkg is Fisher wants to control the clock…taking away EJ’s legs and the short stuff pretty much nips that in the bud.
I’m not sure which I preffer.
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Seems like Kick Coverage Should make the list.
Punt coverage has actually been pretty consistent. Kick coverage has been terrible, and I wouldn’t be at all assured by the fact that Tulsa didn’t take one back.
I also don’t see any way Travis Lewis plays unless Nelson gets hurt. If Lewis hasn’t been healthy enough to be playing in practice, you’re just better off sticking with a fully prepared and healthy Nelson than you are an underprepared and injured Lewis. It’s possible that Lewis leadership would make enough of a difference to be worth it, but I don’t see Oklahoma’s staff believing that. With Lewis missing practice this week, they’ll play Nelson unless they have to. Nelson should be fine, anyway. And for the most part, I’m inclined to think if Oklahoma can’t win without Lewis, they wouldn’t have won with him either.
Which ever team gets better play along the lines will win…unless there’s a big unorthodox score. You know, like a kick off return for a TD.
the road night game might actually be a relief (a little)
from the Florida heat they would be dealing with in the afternoon.
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its gonna be a beautiful day that day anyway looking at the forecast
at 8pm it’ll be perfect football weather
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 12, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope so
Florida is miserable for any teams not used to that kind of weather
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Its only gonna be in the 90s it looks like
and that storm zapped a lot of the humidity
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 12, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah me & steadfast looked it up this morning.
Today it is 2 degrees warmer in Norman & the humidity is 2% lower. Its not that different.
lol
Its miserable for us to. Were just a little more acustomed to that misery.
I get that it's a different kind of hot
But it’s not exactly like OK had a chilly summer. I don’t think the heat will be an issue for OU.
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It's not tho, the weather in tally & Norman is nearly identical. Look it up on NOAA.
The humidity was 2% less yesterday. People think Norman is freaking DES moines or something.
In fact it was 108 here about 10 mins ago. I am less than 90 miles from Norman.
The evening temperatures may be comfortable, but...
the humidity sticks around. I know your summer has been hotter than Hades, but I noticed the humidity has been low. Don’t underestimate the effects it can have on people who are not used to it. I went out to Norman last season and recall it was about 85 at kickoff. A very comfortable 85. I know it’s cliche, but “it’s a dry heat”. Big difference here in Florida.
A side note, to all Sooners who make the trip to Tally, I sincerely hope you have the exact same experience that I had last year. I was extremely impressed with how polite and hospitable all Sooner fans were to us, before, during and after the game. Folks in and around Norman thanked us numerous times for making the trip ans wished us a good time, offering us burgers and beer all day leading up to the game. It must be a Midwest thing.
It's not always a "dry heat"
this year it was dry a bunch, but we still had those very hot, sticky days too. The dry heat that your talking about is more out west toward new mexico and arizona. It’s usually pretty sticky around here.
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There is a diff. in the stadium. no open endzones or corners...dadgum microwave oven in Doak...miserable.
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there is a difference there, but it is also almost 20 degrees warmer RIGHT now in Norman.
My only point is just that the weather isnt a big of a factor as you would like it to be. Sure its gonna have some effects, & sure its more humid at night then Norman (they really are about the same t/o morning & day) but its not like we are coming from Nebraska or Iowa, which I think some people are envisioning. The climate in Norman is much more similar to Lousiana/East Texas/Arkansas than it is the midwest. fair enough?
Fair enough
I’m not trying to start a “weather fight” here. I guess after watching teams from other parts of the country come to Florida for games for 20+ years now, it seems more often than not the humidity affects them differently than it does us. Like I said earlier, I know it’s been hotter than Hades up there this year.
again, as SteadfastNole I checked last night.... the FREAKING humidity is the exact same in Norman today, yesterday....
Its called NOAA.gov, there isnt as big of a gap as you think.
it seems like they think we live in the desert.
It’s hot and sticky here pretty much all year, our players will know how to handle this. Of all the problems we had at miami on 09, the weather factor wasn’t one of them
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yeah they keep saying Midwest & etc. on their offensive preview.
I am sicker than crap & home, so me & a Nole both looked it up & he was shocked at how similar it is. People need to realize Norman/SE OK/ is not dissimilar from Louisiana or Arkansas really….
oh i know, I live in SE OK, in a valley
it’s like living in a sauna in the summer
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i guess they can keep thinking that will be their little advantage.
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there is no comfortable 85 with that many people around
I don’t care where you are, 85 and that many bodies is hot!
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ha fwiw
normal summer times in tallahassee are pretty crazy, its like a furnace placed inside of a sauna, so an 85* day is like paradise, its all relative.
But as OU JJ said, we checked the current weather and forecast and its not gonna be anywhere near like that in Tallahassee this weekend. It actually sounds rather lovely. Guess we can thank that recent storm and front for coming through. Definitely would not predict the weather to have any impact
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 12, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The weather in Tally & Norman is brutal
period. and since the game is at night, the weather will almost certainly be a non-factor.
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thank you, I am heading down Friday. While I expect the fans to be out in full force,
the tailgating I saw in Tally a few years ago was different then I am used to! Both in Norman & the Big 12 area. I really am looking forward to the trip!
Some things to meditate on to calm the nerves . . .
Reason #A : OU hasn’t been great in away games, but FSU hasn’t been stellar at home. In the last five years FSU has only been a home dog twice and lost both games. They also lost ten games as favorites.
Reason #2 : EJ is a big man but he’s no Newton or Young and thank God he’s not Robert Griffin III.
Reason #D : Travis Lewis’s presence will be felt whether he takes the field or not.
Reason #4 : Gotta hope FSU doesn’t have a Von Miller or Alton Smith type player for Landry to dance with.
Reason #6 : Tulsa’s offense is more sophisticated than FSU’s. FSU might not know what a wheel route is.
Reason #7 Costanza : Greg Reid wants to redeem himself so much that he over-runs plays, busts assignments, and is out of control on returns.
Reason #Sink Hole : You had to include this one. Ok…um…wait a sec….um…Ok ! Ah, just don’t worry about the kickers because the kicking game won’t come into play when the game is on the line. la la la la la,,,can’t hear you typing that…OU by 21 just to be sure.
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A few of these don’t make any sense. (D, 4, 6, 7). I doubt you’ve watched much at all.
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I'll give you that 6 might push the bounds of realism, but you can't dismiss the rest by simply saying "No they're not!"
FSU hasn’t got a disuptive force like Miller or Smith.
It’s certainly possible that Reid tries to do too much and it negatively affects his play.
Travis Lewis is such a dynamic leader that he bolsters the D even when not playing. (Though we certainly hope he gets to play,)
#A helps buffer the ‘Road trip blues’ and # Cinco is diffinitely nerve racking.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I assume you were not at the UF game last year. Doak is often low key, but not for big games. Point A brings in stuff under bowden and has no relevance here.
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Okay. Point A has no significance because Josh Heupel is now Offensive Coordinator.
And speaking of no significance, FSU far outclassed UF last year. Easy to mob the weak.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Von Miller...
the (somewhat undeserving) butkus award winner last year.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Sep 13, 2011 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed for the most part. D, 4, 6 make little sense.
Derrick Brooks’s presence will be felt as much as Travis Lewis’s if neither are playing.
You don’t lead the nation in sacks, bring just about everybody back with some additions (Tank #1 JUCO DE and Timmy Jernigan who should be disruptive up the middle) and not have anyone who is disruptive. We have disruptive people across the line particularly at the ends and have quality depth to the point that D-line had several battles for starters.
Jimbo’s offense is up there with the best of them. It has finished in the top 7 for two years straight. He has the spread, the option, pro formation, pistol, etc. He also has play packages that we run regardless of formation. Yes we have the wheel route. He doesn’t get gimicky with Diamond and Ninja formations, but doesn’t need to.
It is possible for G5 to go for a big play, whiff, and instead give up a big play. Hopefully he has matured and all signs indicate he has after being the MVP in the bowl game. Old habits die hard, so there is a possibility.
You're generalizing. Missing the point. I'm not saying FSU doesn't have playmakers...
Specifically, I’m saying you don’t have playmakers in the class of Von Miller or Alton Smith and that’s what it’s going to take to disrupt the Sooner offense.
And if # 4 still doesn’t make sense to you, maybe FSU has never had a real player/leader.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Brandon Jenkins had 13.5 sacks and was tied for 5th in the country in TFL as a sophmore.
Neither of the guys you mentioned have posted those kind of numbers. After adding 20 pounds of muscle and help across the D-Line, we’ll see what kind of playmaker he is. Not sure what your definition of playmaker is considering his stats last year. Maybe you’re talking about single game performances only against OU?
It's not about stats or what Jenkins did in the weight room. It's about disrupting Landry Jones. It's about results.
If you what to go with stats we can stop at 47-17 and call it a day.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
It's about single game performance against OU then.
Obviously you don’t rack up those kind of stats unless you are disrupting a whole lot of people all season long. Both he and Werner our other starting DE should be plenty disruptive. If you double and triple team Jenkins, the rest of our line (including the 2s) is good enough to disrupt him all game long, provided he holds the ball longer than 2 secs. No one will get there in under 2 secs.
Ok. Let's go with what these guys actually did against OU.
1 sack by Dawkins. 6 tackles for a loss. 2 passes broken up. Zero Int’s. 47 points against. Double the D stats and I still like our chances.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
That will be the argument until Sept. 18th.
Comparing Miller’s senior performance at home to one of the first games of an FSU sophomore playing in Norman doesn’t make much sense. Jenkins will be a 1st or 2nd round draft choice. He’s on the same level as Miller. Whether his single game performance against OU will match Miller’s is yet to be seen. Regardless, I don’t think it’s accurate to say FSU’s defense doesn’t have playmakers. It is loaded with 4* and 5* talent as the author of this article noted. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens this time around and whether Landry gets pressured.
This person is obviously not worth arguing with NoleLaw
His posts have no merit whatsoever, he just said that there’s no point in looking at stats. He thinks that Tulsa is more complicated an offense, etc. Not worth the time
Ok. Truce. Let's root for a good game. The refs stay out of it. And definitely no injuries.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
you statement was that we had no-one in the class of miller or smith
that is truly not the case. Brandon Jenkins is a preseason All American. You can say well miller was an All American, well was he as a sophmore, no. he is one of the top 5 ends in the country and any analyst will agree with that. Take your crimson glasses off and be objective. I could go around saying that EJ is just as good as Landry Jones, but I would look like and idiot homer. Unbiased site has a write up on him here. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/628003-college-footballs-2011-preseason-all-americans/page/17
No crimson glasses here. I'm telling you what Miller did, actually DID. You guys act as if it's a GIVEN that your defensie line will dominate.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
For the record
That freshman RB of yours could’ve been Von Miller this year as a true freshman. He will be a good back, but he was limitless as a hybrid.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Sep 12, 2011 3:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he switches back to LB after this year
similar to what DJ Williams did @ Miami back in the early 2000’s
Wow OU fans are seriously clueless to the DLine talent. Wilder would be third string at best this year.
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You guys have a really nasty habit
Of generalizing “OU fans” based on one or a handful of comments. Pretty sure most of us here are very complimentary of the collection of talent Jimbo has assembled.
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Perhaps elsewhere. I’ve not seen it here today.
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I think its the sheer volume of posters who want to compare sizes & stats
you can find a stat to back up nearly anything.
Just going off what I've seen
From high school combines and such. Wilder absolutely dominated as a DE, and he was like 215 lbs. Get him to 240, and he’s unstoppable as a hybrid DE/LB. Call me clueless all you want because I don’t know about your “DLine talent” (I said nothing about this) but this kid has some serious potential. Speaking of, Karlos Williams is an absolutely beast of a safety.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Sep 13, 2011 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Karlos never played the pass in high school. He’s got a lot of physical talent but will take a year, maybe two.
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Watching him play
In the Manatee v Plant high school game…He looked like he wanted to run and was semi indecisive when he played at LB. His athleticism/talent says LB, but if the mind says RB then he will play better at RB until he is forced to change. Likewise, most of us think Karlos would make a better WR then S. If he knows where the cuts are going to be that would make him that much better.
You’re saying Jenkins is not in the class of a Miller or Smith? Silly.
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by Bud Elliott on Sep 12, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, Jenkins is very good, a playmaker, but Miller and Smith were game changers.
No. I don’t believe Jenkins will be a game changer this Saturday.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Bjoern Werner...
Will be eating the right tackles lunch and he’s opposite of Jenkins. I’m just saying.
by CashvilleNole on Sep 12, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok. Fair enough. Daryl Williams is a first year starter. So how did this Mr. Werner do against Charleston Southern?
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
in the 2 2011 games
Solo Tackles = 2
Assisted Tackles = 1
TFL = 1.5
Sacks = 1
Notes: this year Werner is a Sophomore (no RS); and the 1st 2 games have been scrimmages where we played back-ups. Here’s what he did as a true Freshman:
Games played: 14
Solo Tackles = 8
Assisted Tackles = 12
TFL = 6
Sacks = 3.5
Also, Werner earned D MVP this Spring.
Championship!
the "results" are that he was number two in the nation in sacks...hows that?
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but his nickname isn't "Hammer"
if a guy makes some tackles on special teams and you nickname him “Hammer”, that’s the equivalent of about 45 sacks and 300 TFL and causes him to be larger than life.
Forget about the Seminole who was in the top 5 in the country in both sacks and TFL as a sophomore. The Seminoles don’t have any play makers or anyone who could disrupt Landry. This year the score will be OU 96-3 FSU because OU is not going to let off the gas this year and the ACC is the equivalent of the Sun Belt conference. OU will be wire-to-wire champs and will win every game by at least 50 pts.
"some tackles", seriously?
Have you not seen them? Ask your boy Lamarcus Joyner. Pretty sure he’d back up the nickname my man.
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Reid and Nick Moody lay more viscious hits while playing D
ask your boy Clay.
Karlos Williams will lay the same type hits on special teams for us.
Man, I was really worried about Clay
I thought Moody killed him
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by SteadfastNole on Sep 13, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't worry about the last five years
This is Fisher’s second year and he has lost one game in Doak. I seriously doubt he loses any there this year. Unless the OU offensive line is NFL quality, Landry is going to find a lot of new dancing partners. If the Tulsa offense impressed you a big surprise is in store.
Have to admit Reid might over compensate but I hope not.
If OU beats FSU by 21 I will crawl to Oklahoma on my belly.
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Not to nitpick
But Stoops has lost two at home in 13 years. Obviously this game isn’t at home, but I’d probably wait more than a year and two games before I started boasting about my coach’s home record.
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I wasn't nervous in the service...
…I see no reason to be now.
FSU has got to show me something to be nervous about. A big scared kid running for his life at QB sure doesn’t. Being on the road doesn’t make me as nervous as some and certainly not as a comparison with the Miami game, that was in ‘09, the year I prefer not to think about unless I want to throw up in my mouth, a little.
I won’t dispute they have talent, but they haven’t proven to me that they are a team with a winning attitude, much less a viable national championship contender.
OU ended last season with a rousing win on the road at OSU, a come from behind win against the #1 defense in the country at Jerry’s Death Star and a dominating season opener against a Tulsa team that has considerable success in recent years.
All things being equal, I see OU as the proven winner and with greater confidence in their abilities than FSU. There could be injuries, penalties and turnovers that effect the outcome, but that goes both ways.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Indubitably!
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Just nit picking...
but whos that #1 defense? Boise was listed as the #1 for F/+ and held that title most of the season.
Correction, #1 pass defense...at the time. Nebraska, or so we were told before the Championship game.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Naa Boise was #1 pretty much start to finish
but no worries. Pelini has quite a defense himself too…Now if they ever got an offense they might be a legit team
Beating South Carolina in the bowl game doesn't show a "winning attitude"?
by NicktheNole on Sep 12, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
A win over VT in the conference championship would have proved more.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
It is really the coaches poll FSU has proven itself to
You will come later on saturday night.
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And we're the homers? Have you read some of this guy's comments?
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How bout' we don't clami his ideas?
He’s actually an icon.
Like the guy who makes rooster noises on the old True Grit.
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by truecolors on Sep 13, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Off topic, but:
Orangebloods is reporting that OU will apply for membership in the Pac 12 by the end of the month. According to their “source”, the OU Board of Regents is fed up with the drama in the Big 12.
Who knows if it’s true. I’m done posting realignment stories, because every time I do, nothing seems to happen.
I still think the Pac 12 would be a good move.
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by dishingoutdimes on Sep 12, 2011 8:23 AM CDT reply actions
FSU Defense
After last years game there is really no reason to be worried about FSU, but also at the same time if you watch the game vs OU and then watch the bowl game, FSU is a completely different team. The strength of the team is now the defense, the players have grown up a lot since OU. To say there is no playmakers on the defense is crazy, there is at least 6 players that will play in the NFL on defense alone. I also understand that FSU is still on the rise while OU is the best team FSU will have played in the past few years. If we keep the game within 7 then I will be happy, knowing that the 2012 team will be very good.
Mini list
Here’s 8:
Werner
Jenkins
Jernigan
Jones
Bradham
Harris
Rhodes
Joyner
There are others who might go as well
Carradine
Pick any of the other DTs due to size and athleticism (Erving, McCloud, Dawkins, maybe even McDaniel)
Williams, Luc (if our LBs from last year can make it, these guys have a shot)
Reid (Tony Carter made it and Reid might just be a return specialist)
Telvin (although he might get moved to Safety if he doesn’t put weight on)
Not saying they’ll all be high round draft picks, just saying they have the ingredients to find a niche
The only freshman I included (in the top or bottom) was Jernigan
Jernigan is already panning out as one of if not the best DT on the team.
Karlos Williams, Tyler Hunter, Nick Waisome, Nile Lawrence-Stample, Derrick Mitchell, Arrington Jenkins, Terrance Smith, etc. – the only person from the top recruiting class in the country that was included in any part of my lists was Jernigan. Naturally some of these 4* and 5* star kids will pan out, but that would only make the list longer. Some might not due to normal attrition, injury, etc.
Definitely more than 6. That was my only point.
Much more than six
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"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman
In fact I would say we have six defensive tackles who will play in the NFL
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"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman
one reason I am less worried than "normal" for first road game.
Josh Heupel.
K-dub went into a shell on road games, just flatout conservative & did not deviate. See Cincy, see A&M 2010.
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 9:18 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Agreed
Wilson’s play calling seemed to be predictable
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree, JJ
Heupel comes from the Mike Leach school of playcalling. He’s willing to go outside the box, and he’ll borrow anything from anyone and make it work.
OK jtesooner. Now post the article where it's a 'No Brainer' and OU fans have absolutely nothing to worry about and should run right out, give the points, and bet the mortgage!
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Really! We need to see an article like that because the kicking game is really scary and gives us nightmares.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
We've also got a kid named NIla Kasitati who does a really cool warrior's dance.
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
On demand?
We’ve also got a kid named NIla Kasitati who does a really cool warrior’s dance.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
I get the comparison with miami but...
How many big name players were we without going into that game? That was the first true road test for how many of the young guys who started that game? Didn’t Broyels get hurt in the 2nd quarter of that game? Not trying to nit-pick here but there were some extenuating circumstances going into that game. I know fsu is better than miami was, but OU is wasy better and way more experienced than the team that took the field against miami.
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I watched FSU’s first game, again like Charlston Southern? I watched E.J. Manual stare a receiver down and throw a lead pass directly to the free safety.
What does that tell me?
E.J. Manual has the physical talent to beat us… but if we can keep him in the pocket, he won’t hurt us on the ground. And if we can keep pressure on him, he’ll hurt his team through the air.
Blitz early, blitz often… blitz from everywhere… and Manual throws no less than 3 interceptions.
Don’t blitz? Don’t get pressure? Manual throws no less than 4 touchdowns.
Blitz and you force him to run or to hit hot reads to playmakers in space.
EJ’s INTs in the first two games came when he wasn’t pressured and had time to over think what he was doing. He is better when he plays instinctively and throws well on the run. Leave him in the pocket and force him to read the D and throw balls into coverage and that’s when he’ll turn it over.
good read.
go noles and psyched to host ya’ll this weekend.
by DeanerNoleProphet on Sep 12, 2011 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
People talk about how much Manual weighs in regards to how much our LBs weigh… but guess what? Our smallest linebacker (Who I presume is probably Corey Nelson) weighs a lot more than his biggest arm (Which I presume is his right one).
Our smallest linebacker his his biggest arm? I’m going to worry more about the arm than the linebacker.
Just saying…
The more comparisons I read on here to the OU game last year
The more giddy I get. I don’t expect your average sooner fan to follow FSU ball, but I sure hope stoops and co. do… or the sooner nation is in for a very rude awakening. This is not the team that got shellacked 47-17. Not even close.
and that shoe can be worn by us too.
Our offense was pedestrian in the 2010 game compared to the last 4 games. While we lose a few on D, the defense also took huge steps those same 4 games.
It may have been your second game if the season, but it was OUs second game too.
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 12:32 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Idk if I completely agree
That was one of the most efficient performances of the decade…can’t remember exactly where I saw it, but OU’s efficiency in that game was off the charts. It was OU’s 2nd game of the season but it was our 2nd game in a completely revamped system, while I dont expect to win, I def expect us to be more competitive
no where even close offensively as the last several games of the season.
Also 2 others receivers emerged as playmakers AFTER FSU
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 12:54 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Your game against FSU last season
Was one of the 5 best performances by any team last year. It certainly wasn’t worse than your last 4 games.
It may be that you did things differently in those last 4 games that looked better, but statistically it wasn’t better.
Formerly known as 'stilts'
Yes, it was OU's 2nd game as well.
And that would mean something if you had been in the same shoes as FSU – new defensive system, new defensive staff, and linebackers getting coaching for the first time in their career. Learning curves are curved for a reason.
Editor of Run the Floor
do you know how many TRUE freshman played against FSU??
Even a clue??? That pretty much makes new systems a moot point since 3 mos earlier they were in high school!
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 3:36 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
You had zero true freshman starters on defense.
Not really seeing how that’s comparable to an entire defense playing their 2nd game under a new system, and with new coaches.
Editor of Run the Floor
so only starters got full reps huh?
Ok…. So if I said we started with a nickelback & so Jefferson didn’t start & he only played 85% if the snaps it wouldn’t matter. Or that Colvin wasn’t playing extensively huh?
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 4:05 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
So that's one person, or two,
and meanwhile the other 9 guys on the field had been in the system a minimum of 1 year, and a few were seniors. They knew what they were doing. They knew their coaches.
Our entire defensive roster was playing their 2nd game. I’m pretty sure you’re smart enough to see the difference.
Editor of Run the Floor
and so it also doesn't matter that the offense had a bunch of true freshman torching your d...
It works both ways dude. You wanna just admit true freshman are in a new system? Cause we had some true freshman lined up against your new system defense?
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 4:08 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I thought it was Kenny Still that got the most pt as a fresh on the o….if im not mistaken (correct me if im wrong) but the only True Fresh rb’s got pt in garbage time
You are corrected
Roy Finch is no garbage time RB sir
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I meant just against us last year
I just remember mainly a combo of Murray and Mossis Madu
What was said below
Finch was injured for the FSU game last year. Definitely would have played.
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Finch missed the first 5 games last year
In garbage time against us it was Calhoun and Brennan Clay before he got knocked out of the game
finch, clay, Millard, stills,
Pretty sure some lineman.
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 8:44 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Taking an average polls rating
OU finished around 6th by most polls and FSU finished 10th. It is pretty simple to conclude FSU vastly improved throughout the season.
http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
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Should be a good game.
Think FSU won’t be able to run the ball very well and EJ will be 1TD/2INT because he starred down receivers. The defense will play well except for a couple of MAs and the final…. 34-21 Sooners. Yes I am a Florida State pessimist
D-Hop has tiger blood
Lewis's chances of starting anyone???
I really have no clue as I dont follow OU that closely
D-Hop has tiger blood
Some other things to consider, since you asked if there were any others
1) FSU’s kicking game is special. Dustin Hopkins is one of the best kickers in the country, Punter Shawn Powell is also extremely efficient pinning teams deep in their own territory. This should be a concern for OU because of the field position advantage that this could potentially give the Seminoles. Also, our kick coverage unit is extremely good. Opponents (granted they are CSU and ULM) only averaging 19 yards per return. That stat is also somewhat inflated by the 50 something yarder the kid from CSU had.
- 2nd year in the Stoops defense. Last year we had players lined up in the wrong spots, blown coverages, the defense just looked slow against OU. This year they have a better feel for the system and where they are supposed to be. This will allow (and has allowed in the first two games) them to play faster. Football is an instinctual game and can not be played as such, when you are so busy thinking about what you have to do, instead of doing it because you have seen it before and are prepared.
Jazzercise) While it is an entirely different type of Option, something to consider is OU’s game vs. Air Force last year. You may say " uncomparable, two totally different teams." I’d agree… to some extent. Air Force was able to rack up 351 yards on 63 carries (5.6 per carry) and score 24 points. I feel relatively confident that Jimbo & co. will run quite a bit of option and zone read in this game, especially considering the size of OU’s linebackers. This could prove to be tough for the Sooners.
All in all, this should be an excellent game. I expect it to be about a 7 point game, one that I think goes to FSU but would not be surprised in the least if it was won by Oklahoma. They are, after all, the #1 team in the nation.
FSU's option plays are difficult to defend because they come out of normal formations used for passing.
Air Force doesn’t throw that much, so you can crowd the line. I do expect OU to bunch in the box and force EJ to beat them in the air. If we can run effectively it would not only move the chains but would also allow us to rest our D and hog the TOP. I don’t think it matters much whether OU tries to force EJ to be consistent on short passes and beat them in the red zone or whether they force him to make difficult deep passes but I would venture to bet that they try to make him go deep. They will already have guys up to crowd the short field, short passes will also chew the clock, and deep balls are lower percentage throws for anyone. Maybe that’s why Jimbo has had EJ working on timing the deep passing routes so much during the first two scrimmages.
trenches
One area that really needs to be considered is the battle in the trenches, when OU loses its because they lose the battle in the trenches. FSU is a very big and fast on both sides of the ball and OU runs a system that thrives on working ahead and using their speed. This leads to a simple problem and a big possibility that IF it is a close game will the lines be able to hold up to FSU size and speed. The front seven size comparison is scary and that is something OU should be very concerned about.
weigh-ins:
FSU o-line: 1550, 310 avg.
OU o-line: 1511, 302.2 avg.
FSU d-line: 1146, 286.5 avg.
OU d-line: 1103, 275.75 avg.
OU is giving up 10 lbs both ways. Then check out the LB’s
FSU LBs: 725, 241.66 avg.
OU LBs: 647, 215.66 avg.
I hope OU skill players are that much better, or their lines are much quicker otherwise they will be in trouble. OU better get ahead or they might get run over.
cause our LB are gonna go against your LB right????
Irrelevant.
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 3:41 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
No.
Point is that our D front 7 are an average of 20lbs bigger per man than anything OU might have seen or practiced against.
Some commentators have called FSU the fastest defense in the country. It’s not just size.
When they didn’t have the size or depth, they led the country in sacks.
If we get the right calls in and the guys play disciplined, then you’re talking about a defense that should rival Bama’s.
I think we only have two seniors on D, so there is a lot of reason for the Noles to be happy with the D.
I have never seen so many fans of any team...
…so obsessed with size. NEVER.
There is a reason OU is #1 and has been in that position more than any other college team in history and it isn’t based on the weigh in.
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Ask Texas about that. Bama wooped that Big-12 tiny team.
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What does tu have to do with anything?
I’m referring to so many Nole fans obsessing over how much their players weigh, it’s absurd.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
You obviously have no clue about what you're talking about
You’re the only OU fan trying to claim that size doesn’t matter. You’re obsessed with it, delusional almost
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 13, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I have more than a clue.
Calling me delusional, after so many Nole fans obsessing over how much players weigh, is absurd. Calling me delusional only illustrates that you are projecting.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
I know you are but what am I
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 13, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Delusional.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Calling me delusional only illustrates that you are projecting
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Sep 13, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It really doesn’t. Just trying to be equally as silly as you.
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Jeeezz you FSU guys can write some long posts
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
Maybe we should write like you
Landry Jones isn’t mobile, therefore terrible. Our team is the best, you cant tell me differently. you will lose. period. also statistics suck.
I. told. you. so.
Nolelaw & chrisnole being the most obvious. It’s a freakin blog, not a debate.
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 3:38 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
It's more like an argument with your old lady.
Off topic and irrelevance command the day
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
well I said it in Sunday's game week headed to tally.
They have a few that are nearly nauseating
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I’ll give you that one. It can really fit most any fan. That’s why I had to specify.
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
This was meant to reply to the sig line comment
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
FSu fans doing their best Aggie.
Waaaa are players are the best at every position.
We have the loudest venue.
Our waterboy is bigger than your waterboy.
SEC pick me, pick me! Jimbo is recruiting for the SEC….
by OU JJ on Sep 12, 2011 3:44 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Hahahahaha !
Ok The waterboy thing got me
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by Terra Clepta on Sep 12, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Has anyone mentioned Landry Jones' record as a starter on the road?
Because it seems to me that this is the kind of info that would make FSU fans breathe a little bit easier.
I don't what it is. Maybe 5 losses?
Miami, NU& TT in 09.
Mizzou & A&M in 10.
I don’t think any of those were particularly um. “cupcakes”. The tech loss was bad, but mostly on the defense that day.
Is it like 17-5? I really don’t know.
They only matter to you when they support your position.
When they don’t you dissemble.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Jones' Road Record
As I read it he’s played 9 true road games (09- Miami, Kansas, Nebraska, Tech, 10- Cincy, Mizzou, A&M, Baylor, Ok. State) in his career as a starter (not counting Texas and B12 Championships) and lost 5 of them?
Probably. However I would say Texas & big 12 are road games. It's a 3 hour + bus ride. 50000 Texas fans at one
And prolly 40k nu fans is more than you get at say ISU or Something. You can count or not the bowl games.
But yeah he lost 3 games as a freshman (2 of them by a combined 3 points), winning ku (+bowl)
Then 2 as a sophomore.
I meant 17-5 overall, my bad, not on the road.
One thing I will look for is how we respond to OU's cut blocks
In every highlight that I’ve watched of last year’s game it was the countless amount of cut blocks OU’s receivers and lineman used on us, would like to see how we respond to that and also being able to tackled OU’s athletes in the open field
Lets just get it on
Seriously enough of the my penis is bigger than your penis, can Saturday get here any quicker…please.

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