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2011 OU Football - Sooners experimenting with a Thunder & Lightning package?

So as I was sitting in my office yesterday, listening to Oklahoma sports talk radio as every productive office drone does, I heard an interesting little tidbit coming out of the recent preseason practice reports.  As Carey Murdock, of SoonerScoop, was talking with Bob Barry Jr. yesterday on the OKC Sports Animal he said he had heard that fullback Trey Millard had been getting some snaps at tailback and could possibly see more time as the primary ball carrier this year.  I have to admit, it was the first I had heard of it and while I certainly don't have the inside sources that Murdock or CCMachine have I do try and keep up as much as humanly possible.  I'll also admit that I was immediately intrigued by the idea.  

I, like so many OU fans, became an immediate fan of Millard last year for not only his devastating blocking ability, but more just his all around ability to contribute in so many different facets of the offense.  He's a kid who played some tight end in high school, so you know he's got pretty good hands.  OU utilized him in the passing game at times last year, though he did struggle with some easy catches occasionally, and I'd expect more of that this year.  He was also used, with great effectiveness, in the run game as well.  Just ask UT fans if they remember him from last year's Red River Shootout.  He burned them numerous times for tough first down runs and seemed to be able to pick up chunks at a five yard clip almost at will.  

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OU fans are painfully aware of the difficulty the Sooners have had the last couple years in short yardage or goal line situations where everyone in the stadium knows a run is coming.  Now a significant part of success in those situations is undoubtedly the ability of your offensive line to get off the ball and, at a minimum, create some kind of seam for the RB.  That said, you also need a guy who is big and strong enough to lower their pads and make something out of nothing if need be.  Up until now, the offense had been missing this player.  Some thought it was a role that Jermie Calhoun could have excelled at, considering he was the biggest RB on the roster, and he still may as he appears to be almost fully recovered from last year's major knee surgery.  However, with Murdock's comment Friday it would appear the OU offense may have just found their man in the 255 pound brick wall with legs that is Trey Millard.  

Allow me a minor detour in my thought that the whole "Thunder & Lightning" name being a little played out.  I feel like it needs to be refreshed a little bit.  I'm kind of partial to "Bash n' Dash" but certainly open to suggestions.  Anyway, moving on.  I think we all know how this kind of package works, the bash (played by Millard) softens up the defense so that the dash (our stable of RBs) can come in and break off the big runs.  As I mentioned before, Calhoun is the biggest true RB on the roster but even with that Millard's still got 40 pounds on him!  There is certainly no shortage of Dash in our backfield, but between Millard and possibly Calhoun, the Sooners look to have discovered their Bash.  

It's a possible very interesting wrinkle for the 2011 OU offense and could provide Coach Heupel yet another weapon for his already powerful arsenal.  There was some fear, despite reassurances from Stoops, that Millard could possibly get lost in Heupel's offense.  This news would seem to suggest otherwise and in fact quite the contrary, could lead to Millard being featured even more than under Kevin Wilson's direction of the Sooner offense.  The only possible negative aspect of this that I can see is that if true, it just makes distributing the carries between all the RBs that much more difficult.  That said, given all the talented guys OU already has at the RB spot it was going to be a potential issue regardless so I'm not sure this is really a new 'problem' per se.

So what say you OU fans, does the idea of Millard getting more carries and playing a larger role in the offense excite you as much as it does me?

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Anything that can raise our productivity running the ball excites me.

Millard is absolutely a weapon we should make the most of.

That being said, my #1 concern is still the O-line. If we can see major improvement there, throwing in Millard should do a lot to address our problems in the red zone. If Heupel can make the O-line/fullback/tailback combo really effective so that it requires defenses to load up the box and then mix in some shrewd play-action pass plays to take advantage of that, we can make history. That kind of balanced foundation will be extremely difficult to stop and needs to be the foundation of the offensive scheme this year IMO. Love the extra dimension Millard brings to this.

by leatherneck1061 on Aug 20, 2011 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I was worried too

I didn’t know if they would use him very much at all this year and that kinda bothered me. It seemed like when they unleashed Finch last year alot of his carries went away. I think that MIllard will be an excellent short yard back and also an outstanding all around blocker. I’d love to see the diamond formation with Millard, Finch, and Williams. I think that has big play written all over it.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Millard proved himself as a freshman.

He is athletic, smart and tough. Whatever the coaches asked him to do, he did it well.
The above image of his TD against the Pokes was a thing of beauty, he was barely touched, because I don’t think the defense ever expected him to get the ball.
Like pitbull said, Millard in the diamond forces defenses to play more cautiously, especially if he gets more carries.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Failed to mention...

…Millard drawing more attention could give Finch/Williams or others some opportunities more huge runs.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

Imagine those 3 in the backfield with a D having 8 or 9 in the box. All they would have to do is throw a quick slant or a post to Broyels or Stills and it’s 6

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crowding the line would be a huge mistake.

If all three were a threat to run, they would have to play it straight.
The options the diamond presents are almost limitless. You can’t take away Broyles and Stills without doubling both and if they try the numbers just don’t add up.
If Millard became the basher on short downs, that would probably mean more double/triple TE formations.
Can’t wait for the party to get started.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was my point

with that formation and the talent we have it’s almost a pick your poison for most D’s. Whatever they try to take away OU will burn them with the other.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

We got that wavelength thing goin'on.

As for the defenses trying to guess pass or run(with whom), they will have to take risks and hope for the best.
In that scenario, I would remind them that hope is not a strategy.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo!

I’m anxious to see how Heupel runs the O, I was impressed with how he handled the bowl game. You are right that D’s will have to gamble for the most part, there are just too many weapons in this offense. I’m ready to see them play thats for sure.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

We never heard the full story.

About the flu bug that hit at the Fiesta Bowl.
I think it had a bigger effect than was reported. I specifically remember Millard not getting many minutes.
Watching the all-access video, I think Heupel is dialed in. I expect to see a different, maybe even more aggressive, approach to attacking defenses.
I still don’t know if Heupel will be on the field or on the sideline, but wherever he is I just hope he never dials it down while the other team still has a twitch left.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I never realy him pegged as being that intense untill the all access. I bet he will be the type to step on a teams throat when he has them down. I think that I heard earlier that he would be in the booth during the games.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know an old coach that looked for the moment...

…that the other team switched jerseys.
What he means by that is, that moment when the opponent has lost heart and wishes they were on the other side of the ball. He didn’t pay as much attention to the score as he did that moment.
In one playoff game they had the other team switch jerseys by the third quarter, so he started playing all the backups. It got so bad at one point in the fourth quarter, the starting center was the QB with instructions not to throw the ball. He was still ripping off 20 yard runs on keepers.
No mercy this year, no squeakers with outmatched opponents and no letting the wHorns off the hook in the fourth, either.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope

that this is the case, with all the talent that they have I want it to be like a few years back when the four letter network would talk about Bob running up the score. He doesn’t need to let Heupel call off the dogs untill there is no doubt left who’s winning the game, I love the analogy of switching jerseys too.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

man, another way to interpret this, along with the breed of QBs we've been recruiting

is that we’re slowing drifting back towards a wishbone.

i don’t honestly think that’s happening, but man. all these RBs, mobile (if not all burner) QBs, some (but not all) smaller, quicker and TE-convert OLs. maybe once landry hangs it up, we’ll see the offense get away from a true spread, and more towards a run-first, burn you if you crowd the line sort of attack.

by evenyoudorn on Aug 20, 2011 9:41 PM CDT reply actions  

wishbone is going too far...

but i just mean to say, maybe something where we are daring opponents to drop back with all the “bash and dash+ diamond + bell/thompson/knight” rushing options… and then turning loose all these insane WRs and (not yet featured) TEs.

by evenyoudorn on Aug 20, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That could be the case

i tend to think it’s more of a murder of riches, there is an abundance of talent on this team on the offensive side of the ball and the diamond and spread are the best ways to use it all. I do think there will probably be a little more of a threat for the QB to keep and run with Heupel running the offense because he wasn’t afreaid to tuck it away and run when he was at the helm. I think that will be way more probable after this year with Bell at QB

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, i don't think we'll get too far away from the formula as long as landry's around

but you have to love anything that gives us some balls around the goal line. millard is our pile-mover, and maybe jermie, if he’s truly back to health.

by evenyoudorn on Aug 20, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

At the goal line

the line is the most important thing, I remember Millard being stood up on the goal line last year, He was just a freshman and he’s bigger and stronger this year. I just hope that it’s something they are drilling into the lineman every single practice, on the goal line make a hole. Part of the problem is they don’t line up and run between the tackles 95% of the time, because of the spread. Then when they need that inside the 5 it’s hard to do. I think Millard will really help that this year though

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The diamond is an inverted wishbone.

Keep’em guessing.
With the talent on offense, as long as the scheme isn’t predictable, the defenders are forced to make great individual plays every time.
I could even visualize lining up in the diamond and the entire backfield shifting, like the old Knute Rockne ND Box formation. I would also like to see more elements of the A-11 Offense being incorporated.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats what is great about it

they can run so many variations of plays with the diamond alone, not to mention all the different combinations of backs that they could plug in at any time. There so many possibilities with this formation. I don’t know that they could be predictable unless Heupel just fell in love with a few plays and stuck with them. But as my high school coach used to say it doesn’t matter if they know what your gonna run, if you run it right it’ll work.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!

I wonder if we will see any imitators this season?

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure we will

after all we borrowed it from OSU if i’m not mistaken

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did they even run it at OSU?

Or was it something he did at UofH?

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought they did

I could be wrong though, I really don’t pay much attention to em, I just thought i heard the radio station I listen to talking about how OU borrowed it from osu, may have been wrong though.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just did a little research

osu has ran it several times in the past

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hunh.

Shows what the difference in talent level can mean.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think that OU will make it their own this year though

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, i'm sorry... that was the whole point of my comment

i was pretty sure holgorsen was credited with “inventing” the diamond… then we used their own trick to help us wreck their party last year. of course, i could be totally wrong.

just thought it was funny… like, that worked well, so we stole it and— of course— did it better, and now he’s off in the hill country getting drunk. in. pub-lic.

by evenyoudorn on Aug 20, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

And jumping out of perfectly good aircraft.

What’s up with that?
I found it odd when I first heard he had invented it, yet I never saw OSU actually run it.
Though I must admit I only watched them once last year and wasn’t really watching them.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, same boat here

i never watch their games (not that i’d get them up here) unless they’re playing the sooners. i just remember hearing it was his baby.

and, frankly, the analogy of him abandoning his child is a little funnier than him jumping out of an airplane.

by evenyoudorn on Aug 20, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, except for the funniest part of his jumping.

He was tethered to an experienced jumper.
BWAAAH-HAAH-HA!

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gotcha now,

kinda caught me off gaurd with that one, I just find it funny how we used it so much better than they did. I wonder how many times he’ll get kicked out of casino’s for being drunk before they have to run him off

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

that seems to be about par for the course for a lot of programs any more, on second thought I think his drinking probaby fits in pretty well with the mountaineer folks

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

When OU first ran the diamond...

…they looked very polished. As though they got it and the players had bought into it.
I also think the talent in OU’s backfield was mostly responsible for making it work.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 20, 2011 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think it's talent too

we just had much better athletes in the backfield last year and i think we will this year as well

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe we've been asking the wrong question

it’s not, “who’s the starter?” if we’re going to be running a lot of diamond… this is just a two-deep. you’ve got the big guys (millard-calhoun), the traditional OU HB (miller-williams), and the speed backs (finch, clay).

who’s getting the ball, tulsa? don’t bother… just play prevent and try to beat the spread.

by evenyoudorn on Aug 20, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love it

I hope they do use alot of diamond, I think if they do it will be just like your saying, tulsa, or whoever it is for that matter will just have to pick their poison, try to stop the run, get burnt with the pass, try to cover the pass get ran over.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 21, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

if it were up to us we wouldn’t even need to play a game, just give us the damn trophy!

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 21, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

right? the AP and coaches agree.

we’re champs. the season is an exhibition. where do i order my replica ring?

by evenyoudorn on Aug 21, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

don't need a replica

remember we’re coaching, we get the real deal

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 21, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

of course!

do you have the cell number for our ponzi scheme booster with the sex yacht!? i forgot my phone in bristol…

by evenyoudorn on Aug 21, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just like we stole the wishbone from saxeT!

Land isn’t the only thing us Sooners are thievin’!

In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"

by SaintSooner on Aug 21, 2011 3:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

HA!

I don’t even know how to respond to that.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Aug 20, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the idea.

I’ve been thinking for some time that Millard could be the short yardage answer. I remember the good ol’ days when Lydell Carr and Leon Perry would pound the middle of the defense and then Spencer Tillman, Patrick Collins, Anthony Stafford, or one of our other speed guys would break a long one. No reason Millard can’t be as productive as those guys.

by Sean Post on Aug 20, 2011 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

After playing with the Diamond in NCAA 12

This formation with the skill guys we have is going to be VERY deadly…if Heupel runs it like I do of course.

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by Jubanator14 on Aug 20, 2011 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

It's good

Just shows all the practice they have been giving him with ball carrying. It’s great because this means we can do even more plays and formations without substituting. Defenses will be even more exhausted and confused than they are used to.

"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer

by OUPest on Aug 21, 2011 1:31 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Excellent observation.

The quick tempo must be maintained.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 21, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1 Tempo is the key

Think back to 08. With the people we had there was no need to substitute and it confused the bajesus out of opposing defenses. Think about how many points we scored that year.

by JaysSooners on Aug 21, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Millard MUST get the ball

By adding him to the RB committee we are decreasing the amount of time each tailback will be on the field, which means less time on the field and less time subbing. That will wear the defenses down and really help us dominate crunch time.

by soonercowboy14 on Aug 21, 2011 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

How about sprint and dent? Goes and Doze? Glam and Ram? Theft and Heft? Launch and Staunch?

Actually, I think the best one would be “Corner” and “Coroner”…

by captfoss on Aug 22, 2011 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Henh...Coroner.

Or:
‘Nuke and Juke’
‘Smash and Slash’
‘Blast and Blaze’
‘Slug and Sever’

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Aug 22, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

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