Kansas State to Launch K-STATE HDTV! Take THAT Longhorns!
Kansas State is set to launch their own TV network with live K-state sports including the first game to be shown is a Volleyball game against Creigton. They will also have their football game against Eastern Kentucky on their TV network.
hehe...here's the funny thing though....it's not "TV, TV" like on your TV set ....it's internet streaming only. Cost is $9.95 a month or $79.95 for a year. Please don't cancel it after the football game.
I commend the Mildcats for catch up to the Interwebs....they are pretty cool even beyond the porn. OU's been here awhile. Seems that's a little shy of $15 million a year that Texas is getting or the MILLIONS the conference was promised last year, that our 3rd tier was worth to each school.
via blog.newsok.com
Not to be out done by Kansas State, Missouri is also rolling out their TV network. This one actually has a TV station behind it. Student ran and university owned KOMU. I'm not sure the broadcast range, but if it's like most campus radio stations, the range is about 50 yards.
What does this add up to? The Big 12 Network is dead. Promised last year by ESPN, Hinted at bieng in the works this spring, it looks dead. When ESPN/FOX saved the Big12 last year, part of their carrot was all the money those 3rd tier rights would be worth to each school. Texas, Oklahoma, A&M sure would be worth more, but each school was sitting on a revenue stream that they just had to tap properly either separately or collectively for the wealth to flow.
Over one year later we have the Longhorn Network, at $15millon a year for UT. (though as of NOW doesn't have one carrier). We got LHN strong arming Texas Tech, and even threatening to not carry football games by Tech under the conference's Tier 1 and Tier 2 contracts if they don't sign over their football rights to the Longhorn Network, and the rest setting up streaming internet.
Yeah...seems like a stable conference to me.......(note the sarcasm)
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Slices of the $15 million dollar pie
Rumor has it that UT has offered Tex Tech $5 million over 4 years to broadcast the UT-Tech game plus a couple of other Tech games like Tech-Nevada. Somehow that has to be subject to the UT-Tech game not being selected as a tier 1 or 2 game, but if it isn’t, Tech realizes over 8% of the LHN contract without any outlay of money. Pure profit. ISU, Kan, KSU, and Baylor might get offers too. In total in might come to as much as 20-25 percent of the LHN contract.
The little guys kick UT square in the nadz and make off with money and air time that they probably would not get otherwise and in return they don’t have to guarantee a single subscriber on their part. Just have to listen to the game on the radio and catch the replay on some even smaller network afterwards. Meanwhile UT’s net revenue from the network is down by as much as $3.75 million a year.
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
yes the Tech offer was contingent that they put the Tech/UT game on the LHN.
and while they don’t have to guarantee subscribers that certainly is the point. they want OSU fans, and Tech fans, etc, to subscribe/sign up.
And the all of this would be so easily fixed if UT somehow gives the LHN to the Big 12 for the Big 12 Network, or as part. I would have no problem buying a Big12 network addition….but I have a huge one if it’s UT (or any one school)
The point is that it's not just about the upper echelon football schools
If they are willing, the lower echelon schools, like ISU, stand to make money and gain air time whether it’s the LHN or the Big XII network. You’ll notice how the smaller schools all jump in to show solidarity in case A&M left, but when it came to the LHN, they were closed mouth.
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
by Terra Clepta on Aug 15, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
yes you are correct
that the smaller schools could get crumbs off UT’s table, if they are willing to watch their games on the Longhorn Network, where money eventually goes back to Texas.
sadly that’s the role of a conference…not one school.

FYI it was not about getting them to subscribe...
it was about getting the cable companies in West Texas to put it on the channel line ups
Gotta disagree with you there
There is simply no way that cable companies anywhere will put the LHN on their basic channel list at this time. If they find a cable distributor willing to list the LHN at all, it will be on an add-on list where you would have to subscribe especially for that programming. It’ll be right down there on channel 1325 with the Okie Noodling Show
"Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple." Barry Switzer (meant, I believe, to describe UT and UT fans)
by Terra Clepta on Aug 18, 2011 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say BASIC...
even though it is a possibility, it could go on the Gold tier (Direct TV) or U400 (Uverse) package or sports package
I may take it a bit far, and I'm probably a minority, but
In the current context, not only would I not pay for a TXPN add on, I’d cancel service if it were added on for free. In the abstract, I don’t have a problem with a school branded network, but the way TXPN is actively trying to exploit other schools, there’s just absolutely no way I could watch it. University athletic departments push the bounds of the institutional mission enough as it is. I would argue with anyone who thinks that athletics doesn’t serve an important and healthy role for universities and their alumni, but TXPN is beyond the pale. TXPN is leveraging Texas’ considerable endowment to fleece other schools who have less to begin with. It’s a university – supposedly an institution of scholarly pursuit – predating on other universities – and thus actively inhibiting scholarly pursuit. It’s objectively repulsive, or at least it should be to anyone who thinks that a university is something of value. It’s like a vampire or cannibal school. If TXPN isn’t viable on the merits of Texas alone, then let it fail. Reviving it by fleecing lesser-endowed schools isn’t just counter to conference affiliation, it’s counter to the collective pursuit of knowledge and network of mutual support that all universities are a part of.
by BigFatScott on Aug 15, 2011 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
if you have a sports package you'll probably have it
you can’t choose not to carry HGTV, the list will be coming out soon if your provider is on there get prepared to switch.
I agree wholeheartedly.
If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko
Kansas State has had the same "All-Access" channel you've had for years...
Not to nitpick, but the difference is that now all of the events on that channel will be in HD. That’s the difference.
And you can take the contrarian viewpoint and say that these schools are actually beefing up their infrastructure for a Big 12 (minus Texas) Network. The odds of ESPN or Fox shelling out millions of dollars to set up the infrastructure for that network are pretty small when the UT’s and OU’s (I assume they’ll explore it) start their own networks, but if you can simply get a channel on the dial and have the individual schools place their content on it for distribution…well, do you see where I’m going with this?
The “Big 12 Network”, while a fun idea, wouldn’t really be as profitable as people think it would. We currently have four states in our geographic footprint. The Big Ten has nine, and several of them are highly populated states. The key to making money on a network is getting cable providers in a geographic area exorbitant amounts of money to carry your product. When Texas pulled their name from that hat, and OU hinted at starting their own network, you’re left with, well, not a lot of leverage.
Personally, I believe the current configuration is best for all parties in this conference. We are getting an unbelievable amount of money for our second-tier rights, and our first tier rights are obviously going to exceed that when we go to renegotiate in a couple of years. The fact that individual teams have the ability to market and sell their leftovers (third-tier) at a flexible price point to targeted consumers is actually pretty genius. And even more so if they can eventually dump some of that leftover content (after they’ve taken their cut) on a network that you can bury on most cable providers and maybe generate even more revenue.
I’m kind of surprised to see OU fans getting up in arms over this. You actually have a shot at creating your own network and profiting greatly from it. Why do you want a league network that may actually generate less revenue for you than you’d get by striking out on your own?
Bring on the Cats
"If there was a run on us, and the crowd gets goin' nuts, what are we going to do? How are we going to respond? How tough are we? Do we have some Jacob Pullen in us?" - Jimmy Dykes
by Panjandrum on Aug 16, 2011 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This maybe true
but the money being generated by the Big10 and what is projected by the Pac12s dwarf’s what the schools in the Big12-3 are getting on their own…besides texas.
For one school to benefit and the others not isn’t a model that can be sustainable for the long run. We become eventually the Baltimore Orioles to the New York Yankees.
And for the record, OU looked into doing a channel/network, and it’s been shot down, with no backers. ESPN has even publicly said the only school in the Big12-3 worth ANY money is UT.
That’s not sitting well.
Well, if that's the case, everyone may as well leave Texas and make them go independent....
I guess what I don’t understand, even from OU fans, is the butt hurt over UT being a desirable commodity. So they are the most popular team in a very populated state. They make a lot of money. They already make more money than any other team in the NCAA year in and year out, yet OU has how many more conference titles in football during that time frame? Kansas in basketball? I mean, my God, we (Kansas State) haven’t lost to UT in football since 2002.
So, I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t get why people are so upset that they’re going to make that much more money. They already have more money than everyone else, and it’s not really paying off for them in terms of conference titles in the money sports. Being in a conference with them is worth a lot of money to all of us. Sure, the SEC and Big Ten are making more money right now. We’re in the middle of a long term first-tier rights deal that pales in comparison to the second-tier rights deal we just signed. And even with that arrangement, we’re pretty much on par with what the ACC just signed within the last two years for all of their rights. When we go to renegotiate our first-tier rights, we’re going to be up in that Big 10/Pac-12/SEC stratosphere. Also, when you take into consideration that we’ll have at least two less mouths to feed, that increases the profit margins as well.
You’ll have enough money to compete, and you’ll have an easier road to the NC game in this conference. Why even consider rocking the boat? Because UT is making more money? Because ESPN thinks they’re more desirable? Who cares? Is everyone’s ego really that fragile that they all want to leave the conference because ESPN said Texas is prettier that the rest of us are?
Bring on the Cats
"If there was a run on us, and the crowd gets goin' nuts, what are we going to do? How are we going to respond? How tough are we? Do we have some Jacob Pullen in us?" - Jimmy Dykes
by Panjandrum on Aug 16, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
The difference is that UT is worth $15mm/yr and the rest of us are worth ZERO. Yes, they have the largest budget and the largest income…that’s not the issue. The issue is they got over paid making them get wealthy and the rest got zero.
However, I’m pretty sure the value of OU, or Missouri or whatever’s 3rd tier rights are not ZERO. In fact if we were in a real conference they could be worth $10m or more (see the PAC conference payout).
We don’t want more than UT…we want our share…we want to keep up. ALSO we don’t want our games being strong armed on to UT’s network…(see the Tech fiasco)
You're making three points...
1) So UT’s third-tier rights are worth $15 million a year more than yours. Okay, so what? Move twenty million more people into the state of Oklahoma so you can make a network with enough demand for people to watch Oklahoma women’s basketball games and Volleyball coaches shows.
2) No, your third tier rights aren’t worth zero dollars. Neither are Missouri’s or K-State’s for that matter. For me, as a K-State fan, I will be paying $9.95 a month during football season to get the Eastern Kentucky game in HD on my laptop, and I’ll enjoy watching the press conference recaps and coaches shows at my convenience. You can pay whatever it is you want to pay for Sooners All-Access. So, OU isn’t making zero dollars on the deal. You’re just upset because no outside entity has valued your third-tier rights in the millions. This isn’t about wanting your share. By the tone of your comments, you want to be validated. Oklahoma has a better football program than Texas, year over year, and the last time I checked, you’re the preseason favorite to win the national title. So, considering that their budget is higher than yours already, they pull in top five recruiting classes every year, and you’re still ahead of them, I’m not sure what an additional $15 million a year is going to give them tomorrow what they don’t have today.
3) UT may be greedy, but they aren’t stupid. They can’t strong arm OU, and they know it. That’s the most critical relationship in keeping their good thing going (Big 12-2). They won’t screw you. They’ll screw us. And as long as we’re justly compensated for it and I can see the games in HD somewhere, I could care less. I know where our place is in the grand scheme of things.
Bring on the Cats
"If there was a run on us, and the crowd gets goin' nuts, what are we going to do? How are we going to respond? How tough are we? Do we have some Jacob Pullen in us?" - Jimmy Dykes
by Panjandrum on Aug 16, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But none of what you're implying is true. None of it.
First, there’s no demand for Texas’ network without putting other conference teams like K-State on it. The stupid thing is supposed to launch in just over a week, and to my knowledge not a single distributer has agreed to carry it. Second, that no one’s third tier rights are worth $0 is exactly his point. The truth of this is obvious, but that’s exactly what Disney and Texas are asserting in their efforts to persuade other schools to submit to TXPN broadcasts. Despite the fact that no one is buying the thing, their telling you that the network is providing all the value, and your ought to bow down and kiss their feet for letting you have the opportunity to put your worthless third tier rights on it. (Not that putting on more than one school, might broaden the appeal of the cannel or anything…) Lastly, if K-State is putting itself on TXPN, they are not being justly compensated, they’re being fleeced.
Look, if TXPN succeeds on the value of Texas alone, then so be it. That would only be fair. But the network is failing, and rather than let it go down, Disney and Texas are trying to revive it by strong arming other conference schools into going on the network. There simply isn’t sufficient demand for a television channel that only shows Texas vs. Rice. They have to play someone worth watching, and while you seem to think that it doesn’t mean much that K-State fits that bill, clearly Rice and teams of that aren’t sufficient. Texas needs K-State to make its network profitable, but rather than actually bring you in on the deal they’re offering you their left overs and saying “you’re never going to do better than that for your worthless rights.” But, it’s not true. If K-State were playing any other high-profile team besides Texas the game would be on basic cable if not network television. And, if K-State were in any other BCS league it would be able to make a deal with a regional channel to show the other games that TXPN is offering to carry. The reason they want to move the K-State game from basic cable to TXPN, is precisely because it’s valuable in a way that Texas-Rice is not, and the reason that K-State can’t get a better deal for their third tier rights at the moment is that Disney is trying to starve them out. Disney is basically refusing to make any deal with K-State, even if it were independently profitable, unless K-State helps it and Texas profit on their network that you aren’t a part of. In the long run K-State and the other conference schools can get more by refusing to play on TXPN, but they have to hold out until the network fails.
So what you have is Texas, a school with more money than it can spend, teaming up with the Disney corporation to muscle money away from schools like K-State. If it they were making an honest offer, that would be one thing, but this is the two strongest players colluding to fleece all of the weaker players. It’s the sort of thing that’s sometimes considered illegal when done between for profit businesses. Universities aren’t for profit businesses, but they’re supposed to be restrained by their primary mission to discover and disseminate knowledge. Such restraint seems particularly appropriate of schools founded by state governments to serve the needs of the state. If you really want to get technical about it, a branch of the government of the state of Texas has made a deal with a media giant where they’ve agreed to do everything they can to bleed off as much money as possible from universities that serve other states.
There’s nothing wrong with a university-branded network in and of itself. But, the deal between Texas and Disney is calculated to prevent other members of the conference from being able to conduct any business without paying rent to them. This has nothing to do with jealousy. And if the network starts to fail and ESPN and Disney come to Oklahoma to try get them in on the deal to make it work, I’ll personally write to the administration with the very same objections I’m writing here. I’d be genuinely embarrassed if the school participated in a network organized the way this one is. And after watching the way Disney and Texas have behaved in this, I would be very skeptical of any claim they might make to deal with other schools fairly in the future.
Unless I was given good reason to think the new deal would be different, I’d hope Oklahoma would refuse to participate unless all the schools were allowed to participate. They don’t all have the same value, and so they shouldn’t all receive the same exposure or payment, but the network should at least be operated in such a way that it doesn’t enable any school to profit at the expense of another. That’s what TXPN is offering Kansas State. It’s a fool’s bargain, and if K-State makes it then they’ll be completely dependent on Texas until the day they’re finally bled to death. Texas might not literally own them, but K-State would effectively be a subsidiary of Texas. An at will employee at best. Ignoring for the moment the fact that these teams are associated with universities, it would be one team in complete control over the financing necessary for the viability of its supposed competitor. One team essentially paying another to form so that there will be someone to play. You know who that is? That’s the Washington Generals. That’s the deal they’re offering. They want K-State to be the Washington Generals of TXPN.
You should be upset by this.
by BigFatScott on Aug 17, 2011 6:28 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

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