Ohio State Buckeyes Setting Themselves Up For The Hammer
by OnlyOneOU on Jul 9, 2011 5:45 PM CDT
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After thinking there were no more loose strands to bind up, another strand of the vest is beginning to unravel. Earlier this year, the Ohio State Buckeyes committed several NCAA violations. In turn they played the "I wasn't informed" card and almost got away. That was until the rest of the sporting world found out about the lies that covered up the lies. The result was tOSU forcing Jim Tressel to resign after he self imposed some must-dos on a handful of players caught up in the selling of memorabilia. Now that Tressel has resigned, the high profile players flocked to the NFL. There would still be an investigation going on and eventually the NCAA would offer its once again preposterous joke of a ruling. New developments have sprung up and the red flag once again flies high.
This time tOSU has left Tressel with the option to retire moving his status from resigned to retired. This is something that was possibly done in an attempt to keep the image of Tressel intact. The University also squashed the fines that he was going to have to pay in the sum of $250,000, something that says they aren't serious about the first wave of punishments that were dealt out. It has been said that they are also giving him his last month of salary marked at $54,000, a slap in the face that speaks to how arrogant tOSU really is after everything that has gone on in the 2010 season. The University might as well have handed Tressel $300,000 after University President E. Gordon Gee vowed to make Tressel pay the fine in one final ditch effort to cover up another lie. Now we have Tressel who is getting off scott free and the players who are also leaving without a punishment. But, in an attempt to appease the "court" so to speak, tOSU has placed some self-imposed sanctions on the football program. These sanctions include: the vacating of all 2010 wins including the Big 10 championship and Sugar Bowl victories, suspension of several players for part of the 2011 season, and a two-year probation of the football program.
There is no way this is going to be enough of a self imposed punishment for the NCAA to let them off. Usually this kind of behaviour warrants the loss of scholarships as well as sanctions against recruiting since these are the things that hurt the program the most. Instead we see tOSU trying to get off as easy as possible. Vacating wins is no big deal but to lose recruits could mean a downward slide of the program as a whole. Another option could be that tOSU is banned from post-season play for a few years. Championship trophies are a good gimmick to get kids in because of the shine they give to a program.
Ohio State University will go before the NCAA Infractions Committee on August 12th, and could have received little to no punishment. The decision fell on them as to what punishments they would place on themselves and this was a very clear sign that tOSU thinks they are better than the NCAA. So, on that date the Hammer will come down hard and heavy with no warning signs (tOSU blew by all of those months ago).
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Let me begin by saying....
Yes, I’m gloating. I live just outside of Columbus so when Bomar & Co got in trouble that’s all I heard up here…so on and so forth anytime OU hiccups at all. Now I’m not hearing so much.
But if you look back at Bomar & Co as an example, since it’s close to what the tOSU players did, Stoops kicked their butts off the team! Boom…gone! Even then the NCAA tried wiping out the season, etc. Thankfully that got overturned on appeal. But the big difference is Tressel did the exact opposite. He lied to cover it up. The guy who writes books on honor and integrity lied to cover it up. Then, to rub salt in the wound, after it came out that something was up, he suspended those involved for 5 games effective AFTER THE SUGAR BOWL!!! He basically made a mockery of it.
Given the fact that the head coach lied and knowingly played ineligible players in a BCS bowl as well as the regular season games I hope that they get a bowl ban and loss of scholarships out of the deal. The self-imposed sanctions tOSU has levied on itself are basically the same that OU got prior to the appeal even though there was no coverup at OU and Stoops booted his starting QB, etc. So given the differences in how the two programs handled similar situations I fail to see how the tOSU sanctions should be essentially the same as what OU initially got. I don’t claim the understand what the heck the NCAA is doing half the time but if USC demonstrated a lack of institutional control then tOSU did as well. In both cases the coaches had knowledge of wrongdoing and did not immediately act to end it as Stoops did with Bomar & Co.
Ohio State is so F*****. And it couldn’t happen to a more deserving group of fans; Texas, LSU, Florida, and USC excluded.
They will get a ban of post-season play for at least two years and lose approximately 20-30 scholarships over a period of 2-3 years. They are going to get nailed for this. And that, my friends, makes me smile.
by SoonerSunDevil on Jul 10, 2011 12:54 AM CDT reply actions
I see the punishment as being worse than USC
tOSU made the NCAA complicit when they got the NCAA to allow the players concerned to play in the Sugar bowl. The NCAA will make them pay for that.
The death penalty is an outside chance because of that. But whatever the penalty, tOSU will be down for a decade at least.
That’s so not even close to anything that’s going to happen. OSU will take it’s medicine, but if you think there is any chance that OSU is down for longer than 3 years if the NCAA drops a hammer, you’re nuts.
"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
Insanity
HAHAHA…..Ohio State will not get any further punishment!!! You chokelahoma fans are crazy for thinking they will. First off the coach filed a report that was false. Wrong thing to do but he did it. He lost his job for it. And the “High Profile” players that left the university was Terrele Pryor (this author obviously has not been following the facts since he states “Players” indicating more than one). Actually all media that has reported on this situation has been blowing this WAY WAY out of proportion. The car deals…Cleared for a second time by Ohio State and Ohio BMV. The so called checks to Pryor. An unamed source (who is the brother of a former QB at OSU who transferred once Pryor signed to play at OSU) on camera without showing his face claimed Proyor got between $25-$40K. And agian no proof of this anywhere (bank statements).
In the end, we have 5 palyers trading their items for tattos and a coach who was sworn to secrecy on this topic not report it. Ohio State self reported!!!! USC did not self report and for 5 years did not cooperate with the NCAA. Big difference! And the NCAA has not even hinted at LOIC.
TOSU will be fine!
This level of delusion must be pure bliss
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by Jordan Esco on Jul 10, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unreal
The denial is unreal. This is exactly why people HATE Ohio State. This is worse than USC if for no other reason than the head coach COVERED UP the transgressions. You can bank on a loss of scholarships and a ban of post-season play.
by SoonerSunDevil on Jul 10, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
but he's right about one thing
the fact that every time someone posts on here about Ohio St. they keep talking about “players” avoiding punishment by running off to the NFL. That’s only true if, by “players”, he really means “player” as in 1, singular — Terrelle Pryor (who may or may not actually have any sort of pro career ahead of him). The other 4 are suspended for the first 5 games of 2011. I really fail to see why anyone who posts about the goings-on at Ohio St. insists on being completely disingenuous about the facts. It destroys any element of objectivity and, frankly, ruins the credibility of the post.
And again you are ignorant to think that only these 5 players sold/traded tOSU junk in all of school history
I can bet that Pryor didn’t do this on a whim but watched upperclassmen work the system. He didn’t come up with the we weren’t informed argument on his own.
I believe those 5 were only the ones the federal government identified by name.
I agree if there were 5, there is probably 5-10 more just from the last couple if years.
by OU JJ on Jul 10, 2011 4:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
did I come on here and call you names?
Did I, once, ever, state that you were ignorant? What the hell is the matter with you? Is it the anonymity of the internet or just sheer arrogance that leads you to believe you can act this way?
Just from your absurd response above you’re making a whole lot of suppositions based on absolutely nothing. In fact, your response is much worse than your post, and that’s saying something. Can we assume that many other OU players were earning money in violation of NCAA rules simply b/c Rhett Bomar was? That other players were stealing gas simply b/c Ryan Broyles did? Well, he must have learned it from someone right?
The fact is this — your post said that “players” from Ohio St were avoiding punishment by running off to the NFL. That is categorically false. You know it to be false. Be an adult and admit it. I don’t know why you stated it or even if it was you who stated it so many times in the past. It’s a false statement. That’s what I called you on and you know that I’m right. I don’t know why you post stuff that is blatantly false and I don’t much care.
Feel free to call me ignorant if that’s what suits you but it’s not me who comes onto this website and simply makes stuff up for whatever reason. You lied. You know you lied. Admit it or not but don’t call me names, don’t excoriate me for catching you in your lies.
A little overboard don't you think?
Ignorant – a term used to describe the lack of knowledge of a subject, however you took it to be a slandering of your name.
I simply stated that anyone thinking that there is not a line of players seeking money for college ball lacks facts of how the recruiting and selling of a players name has evolved. Pick your major program and it’s there.
I honestly don’t care if you read my posts or not. I don’t need your approval nor do I seek it.
by OnlyOneOU on Jul 11, 2011 2:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ignorant
you define it correctly. Unfortunately, you’re unable to apply it correctly. You see it is one thing to refer to one’s knowledge or one’s post as ignorant. Mine wasn’t, but that’s not really the point. It is entirely another to refer to another person as ignorant. That’s what you did. I’m surprised that the moderators of this site find that to be ok. I know that most sites on sbnation do not allow that sort of commentary. To not be able to recognize the difference is ignorant.
I simply stated that anyone thinking that there is not a line of players seeking money for college ball lacks facts of how the recruiting and selling of a players name has evolved. Pick your major program and it’s there.
This isn’t at all what you stated. It certainly isn’t the lie that you told. What you said, again, is that players — plural, as in more than 1 — from the Ohio St. football team were avoiding their punishment by running off to play professionally. That, as you well know, is false. It is a lie. Why you continue to repeat it in screed after screed about the Ohio St. program is beyond me. I have no horse in this race as I have no allegiance toward the Ohio St. program but it is my opinion, one for which you clearly have no regard, that a person do everything he/she can to make truthful statements in their posts. Yet you continue to lie. It’s one thing to make a mistake. Most people acknowledge the mistake and correct it. The fact that you continue to repeat this out of some hatred or bias against the Ohio St. program demonstrates quite clearly that it is a lie rather than a mistake.
I don’t understand why the moderators of this site continue to permit you to do this sort of thing. If it was my site, I would want it to be as honest as possible.
As to your last statement about not seeking my approval, it’s clear that you don’t seek anyone’s approval and certainly don’t even respect honesty when posting your screeds. It’s pretty clear that you don’t give a damn what anyone thinks or has to say. That said, if you’re going to be a regular poster here or anywhere, you’re going to have to learn to be able to be respectful toward those who respectfully criticize and comment on your posts. If you can’t handle even the most respectful criticism, you’ve got no business putting your “ideas” out there on the web.
I'm willing to listen and engage in any conversation
Until you took what I said out of context and want to say that’s what I meant by it. To name call is to say, " you’re a/an ’_______’" (insert word here). Clearly isn’t the case for the term ignorant unless of course followed up by some other words. Did I do that? No. This is the downfall of text.
You’re entitled to think whatever you want to think. But trouble the waters and do exactly what you said I did to you and I’m done.
I did not mistakenly type “players” (yes plural meaning more than one) because I believe this runs deeper than what any of us are willing to admit at this point. Blogs are called blogs for a reason…they tell the opinion and rumors of who-so-ever wants to write.
I know you want me to apologize and correct my statement to “player” but that is not gonna happen because it is not what I feel about the situation regardless of what the University has let out. (I am admitting to you that “player” is all that is out in the media regardless of my thought on the situation).
You quoted me saying that wasn’t what I said – while it isn’t verbatim of our first discourse, it is what was intended which I tried to explain in my second response.. Again, the things that are lost in our own interpretation of text. I know your original intent was not to stir up this but to engage in a professional type discussion. My only hope is that we can return to this as it is something that should be a priority. Me being young, I often throw level headed-ness out the window resulting in a loss of priorities and for that I will apologize.
by OnlyOneOU on Jul 11, 2011 11:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you serious right now?
“Players” comes from this scandal of selling gold pants etc dating back to at least 2002. If you think selling tOSU junk spawns only from 2010 you are very wrong my friend, all players who have bolted to the NFL with no punishment.
tOSU may have “reported themselves” as you claim but all they have handed out is empty threats as punishments, none of which they intend to keep their word on or even carry out. To think the NCAA is going to let tOSU regulate themselves is ludicrous!
You seem to think you are an insider on all the tOSU news so why don’t you enlighten us? The NCAA has been made out to be a fool and you’re right for that they will let tOSU scoot off with nothing, wrong!
by OnlyOneOU on Jul 10, 2011 11:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"Players" comes from this scandal of selling gold pants etc dating back to at least 2002. If you think selling tOSU junk spawns only from 2010 you are very wrong my friend, all players who have bolted to the NFL with no punishment.
Show me these players. Give me some names. Surely you can provide some list?
tOSU may have "reported themselves" as you claim but all they have handed out is empty threats as punishments, none of which they intend to keep their word on or even carry out. To think the NCAA is going to let tOSU regulate themselves is ludicrous!
You know they fired their coach right? And put themselves on 2 years probation? And vacated their season? And suspended the Tat5?
You seem to think you are an insider on all the tOSU news so why don’t you enlighten us? The NCAA has been made out to be a fool and you’re right for that they will let tOSU scoot off with nothing, wrong!
You are the one who is acting like the NCAA insider here. The NCAA hasn’t added any additional allegations to the original Tat5/Jim Tressel based accusations. You can cite the SI article (denied by several players, two of whom are threatening legal action toward SI) and car scam (bogus per the Ohio BMV, BTW) and assume the NCAA is going to level Ohio State, or you can look at what the NCAA charged OSU with, see that the primary individuals have been fired/suspended and figure that vacations/suspensions/probation/firings are probably punishment enough, per NCAA precedent for similar violations.
"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
Hmmm....
You know they fired their coach right?
Fired? Because I’m pretty sure his status is listed as retired…not fired which can be heard and read almost anywhere.
You are right about the dating back to 2002 just being speculation on my part. I know people who have personal experience with players and I take their word for it but it is not my place to break that kind of news.
For dignity's sake.
He was forced out. Per the Dispatch.
"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
just lke a Texas fan
You’re better than everyone and everything else is a lie. Ignorant is Texas.
by OnlyOneOU on Jul 11, 2011 10:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry Choker,
but your fantasy is just not gonna playout the way you hope. Your AD and complicit Academic Pres left the NCAA no choice but to take severe action. Count on it.
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by raider realist on Jul 10, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Good I hope they drop the hammer and anvil on them. I know most of you probably feel towards Texas fans how I feel toward suckeye fans. I despise them growing up in a suburb of Columbus a sooner fan is some sin around here. As a kid I got into fights because I wasn’t a suckeye fan. And I agree Tressel wrote all these books on honor and honesty well what a scam that was. I wish they’d just do away with suckeye football completely! And thank god for stoops running a clean program because I can only imagine the backlash is receive if he got caught doin this!
Love the crimson and cream
Chokelahoma. You said Tressel was sworn to secrecy ? Lol was he sworn to secrecy at youngstown state when he covered up his star qbs wrong doing? Or troy smith receiving money? Or clarette bein an embarrassment? Nope dude was a scam since day 1 and even before he went to blowhio state . He wanted to cover up to preserve his season so don’t give me that bs
Love the crimson and cream
Well, Tressel made a mistake. I am not denying that. But does anybody think The Buckeyes would have lost any of the first 5 games last year without the Tattoo 5??? No, so Tressel trying to “save his season” arguement is not that plausible. His YSU QB still to this day says Tressel did not know. Troy Smith got the proper punishment handed out by OSU and ok’d by the NCAA. HAHA…Clarett….He was a train wreck and was kicked off the team. He lost 3 years of eligilbilty and his chance to play in the NFL.
If you getting your info from national media you probably do not know the facts!
I get my facts from living 20 minutes from Columbus . And if it wasn’t such a big deal why not lose em for those 5 games then?
Love the crimson and cream
by ohiosoonerbaby on Jul 10, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
Or when it all unfolded why not suspend them for the game against Arkansas? Because he wanted to save that season by winning the bcs game.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Jul 10, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions
Ohio State had no chance against Arkie in the Sugar Bowl
And would not have won the Big 10 period
by OnlyOneOU on Jul 10, 2011 11:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha see what I have to deal with living here?
Love the crimson and cream
by ohiosoonerbaby on Jul 10, 2011 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
i appreciate it
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Jul 10, 2011 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
And I do argue that without the tattoo 5 that Miami game is a little different
Love the crimson and cream
by ohiosoonerbaby on Jul 10, 2011 12:42 PM CDT reply actions
I'm also about 20 minutes outside of Columbus...
I read the Dispatch and see the news reports. I respect the fact that all the tOSU fans are loyal to their team. Sickens me but I understand it, My point is simply that you have two relatively similar cases. One program immediately boots people off the team. The other program covers it up. Based on that difference I do not believe that the NCAA penalties should be the same. tOSU should have fired Tressel on the spot instead of Gee’s ‘I hope Jim doesn’t fire me’ speech. But they let it drag on until SI uncovered more and they had no choice. But then they lost what little credibility they had with me when they took it back and allowed him to retire, which means he’ll keep state benefits that I’m paying for. If I did something like that at my job I’d be out the door with nothing. Just could have and should have been handled so much differently.
Now that Tressel has resigned, the high profile players flocked to the NFL.
Now we have Tressel who is getting off scott free and the players who are also leaving without a punishment.
You are either seriously misinformed or you just don’t know a very common, necessary grammar skill. Either way, you probably shouldn’t be writing about this topic. You see, the only suspended player who left without punishment would be Terrelle Pryor. Nobody else. There should be no “s” at the end of player in the two sentences above. Its rather deceptive of you. The difference between “player” and “players” could be hundreds.
Side Note If you honestly think Tressel is getting off scott-free, when has lost his dream job over this, then you truly should get that mind of yours checked.
Have a nice day!
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