Sooners/Aggies Flex Muscle Longhorns Back Down
by ccmachine on Jul 20, 2011 11:26 PM CDT
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PrintAs the new Big 12 Conference figures itself out there are bound to be some awkward moments. One such moment came on Wednesday when it was revealed that Oklahoma and Texas A&M are serious about walking if the Longhorns continue to try and take a mile when given an inch.
Sure, everyone knew that Texas was going to pursue their own network when the Big 12 was saved from destruction at the last moment last summer. What was not known at the time was that the partnership with ESPN would supersede existing rights to broadcasting games on major networks by putting actual Big 12 games on the Longhorn Network and even more alarming was the plan to broadcast high school football games featuring Longhorn recruits.
My question is how is this a surprise to anyone. As far as I'm aware everyone saw this coming way back in June of 2010. Its like a train wreck that you know is about to happen but you fail to look away because you can't believe its actually going to happen. Did everyone really believe the Longhorns were going to act with integrity and not turn this into a recruiting tool? Come on!
The Longhorns actually may have already committed an NCAA violation because of the following comments by Longhorn Network director Dave Brown.
"We're going to follow the great [high school] players in the state. Obviously a kid like [unsigned Texas verbal commit] Johnathan Gray. I know people [Longhorn Network subscribers] are going to want to see Johnathan Gray, I can't wait to see Johnathan Gray.
"Feedback from our audience is they just want to see Johnathan Gray run whether it's 45-0 or not, they want to see more Johnathan Gray. So we're going to do our best to accomodate them [Longhorn Network subscribers] and follow the kids who are being recruited by a lot of the Division I schools. Certainly some of the kids Texas has recruited and is recruiting and everyone else the Big 12 is recruiting.
"One other thing, you may see us, I know there's a kid [unsigned Texas verbal commit] Connor Brewer from Chapparal high school in Arizona. We may try to get on one or two of their games as well so people [Longhorn Network subscribers] can see an incoming quarterback that'll be part of the scene in Austin." - Source
This pretty much throws mud in the face of Deloss Dodds by pretty much going against what he had stated about Texas not having any influence on programming when it comes to high school games broadcast on their network. It wasn't just the NCAA that tool notice of Brown's comments. Apparently it did more than get the attention of the athletic departments at Oklahoma and Texas A&M, it stirred them to action.
The notion that the Longhorns own the Big 12 and can run roughshod over the conference with a license to do what they want, when they want, with a get out of jail free card came to an end on Wednesday. Oklahoma and A&M called their friends over at the SEC to inquire if they were still taking applications.
SEC commissioner Mike Slive said Wednesday that he will "continue to do what is in the best interest of the SEC."
"It is my job to make sure the SEC is the premier league," Slive said. "For me to exclude any action that would preclude that from happening would be inappropriate." - TSN
This prompted Big 12 Commissioner Dan Beebe to actually do something commissioner like.
"It's not going to happen until and unless the conference can make it happen with benefit to all and detriment to none," Beebe said. - DMN
So who blinked first? It doesn't really matter. What does matter is that the Longhorns have been put on hold by a supposed bluff from the Sooners and Aggies. Would they really bolt to the SEC? Who knows but apparently, for now, no one wants to find out because it would be Armageddon for the Big 12 and when push comes to shove it would be 9-1 against the Longhorns in terms of conference schools.
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Yea this is going to turn
out getting ugly. Did Texas think nobody in the conference would call them on this?
by texas-sooner on Jul 20, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
let it get ugly
you are under the impression that Texas does what OU and a&m want them to do.
bout time Texas flexes it’s muscle again and show you who’s boss.
by Eric Schannen on Jul 21, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, flex ’em all the way to 5-7.
by SoonerSunDevil on Jul 21, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Missouri fan's rejoice, it's not their fault this time
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but seriously, media days next week are going to be awesome with all this hanging around (they are next week right?)
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by AUKingOState on Jul 20, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
In theory I'd agree
But do you really expect anyone there to air all the dirty laundry. Mike Leach is to busy promoting his new book and also no longer in the conference, so I fail to see where all the excitement is coming from? I know you haven’t AUKing, but everyone else here is very familiar with a Stoops presser and the absolute lack of anything resembling “news” that comes out of them. I’m quite sure he and/or Joe C will have instructed his players not to answer questions about this whole deal and I’m sure the other schools will do just the same.
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It wasn't our fault last time
When five teams over two years threaten to leave specifically because of Texas, maybe we should start putting the blame where it belongs.
from Andy Staples of SI
Andy_Staples Andy Staples
If I’m Mike Slive, I call TAMU, OU, Ok State (because I can’t get OU w/o them) and Mizzou and say, “Let’s do this.”
Let’s go….f’ it…I’m tired of it…..lets go join a real conference.
just remember, we could have all been in the PAC-16 last year if it wasnt for A&M
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by AUKingOState on Jul 20, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
but WITH texass
so…..not sure that was an improvement.
I have to say, having the biggest trailer in the park is one thing…but UT really does like rubbing it in.
what about taking your (and by extension our) talents and going to the mountian west
add missouri and tech and it would be a decent conference.
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by AUKingOState on Jul 21, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
except
the MWC teams currently make….oh about $3million a year from the conference…and the Big 12 schools make about $17Million a year…….
Now…take the best of the Big 12, and the best of the MWC…and sign new TV deals…that could fly.
Exactly
I wanted us to bolt last year – I even sort of like the idea of goig to the SEC if for no other reason than the competitive aspect.
by leatherneck1061 on Jul 21, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Texas can do whatever it wants
Let OU and a&m call the SEC. Let them leave. Texas does not need them to survive.
Trust me when I say that I wish A&m would leave but the Texas state legislature would never allow them to leave.
OU and a&m are just jealous that Texas has it’s own network and they don’t.
OU jealous of Texas for a network that wont be provided on DirectTV?
I’m 100% sure I would never trade in conference championships, heisman winners, national titles, etc. for a lousy network that violates NCAA regulations and shows underwater basket weaving during primetime. Real bread winner UT has there don’t they with that network everyone is oh so jealous of!
by OnlyOneOU on Jul 21, 2011 12:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Um, it is not the programming that spreads jealousy...
it is the $300 million. To think otherwise is futile.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Money will come and go
The statement was clearly
OU and a&m are just jealous that Texas has it’s own network and they don’t.
which I guess you didn’t take note of. There was no mention of money. However if Texas brings in the most revenue every year and can’t go .500 or consistently win championships then how does the $300M have any influence on the “jealousy factor?”
I love how 2010...
has replaced a decade-and-a-half of Mack Brown accomplishments. You can focus on last year. Only Westerman left the 2011 recruiting class, choosing Auburn of all places, and there was a tie to a coach there, which is now evident. I’m looking forward to this year, probably more so than any year in the past three or four. Texas has question marks, no question. This is OU’s year to reach the MNC if your defense can save you a couple of times.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
A Decade And A Half By Mack Brown
Of averaging a second place finish in the Big 12 South. OSU and A&M fans would drool over that but OU fans aren’t that impressed.
by ccmachine on Jul 21, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I know...
Texas fans are not that impressed with the 3-5 record in BCS games (thank God for UConn) OU cherishes. Big 12 championships? No question. OU has been the most successful program in the conference. All of that success and only one MNC…just like Texas. That has to sting.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
And You Guys Have The Highest Paid Coach In The Conference
With less than half of the accomplishments of Stoops. I think we’re fine with where we’re at. You know they say, “Its better to have loved and lost than to not have loved at all.”
Dang! Now I feel sorry for Longhorn fans.
I really do not care what Mack earns...
If Stoops earns $6 million to trump him, that is fine with me too. If you are not underwhelmed with OU’s performance on the big stage, you are kidding yourselves. Again, thank God for UConn.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Underwhelmed?
Your team under Brown can’t sniff the success Stoops has had and we’re the one’s who are supposed to be underwhelmed. How does that work?
No...you are right.
Sincerley, the Buffalo Bills.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't understand do you?
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
Yes, that is the same...SMH.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Um, fail
You’re going to talk smack about the UConn win in a season where you weren’t even able to get bowl eligible? Wow. Just wow.
Look, it’s really this simple. We’d rather win the Big 12 and play in BCS/MNC games and lose if necessary, than not get there at all. Mainly because most years that means we beat you and in doing so have won yet another conference championship and have a chance for yet another national championship.
You can’t win them all, even you Mr. Arrogant, but you can’t win them ever if you don’t make it that far to begin with.
Thanks for playing aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you’re done.
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Yes...
I am going to talk smack about UConn and West Virginia and Boise St. I’l take one horrific season like last year and take the meds that go with it. Last year was a debacle, an anomaly, and an embarrassment to the University of Texas.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Hell you couldn't even beat
Lesser teams at home last year.
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
I acknowledged last year...a complete and embarrassing debacle. Can you add anything else?
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I will
Teams play for championships. OU has more than Texas.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
How many MNC games has Texas been to in the last 12 years?
"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer
by OUPest on Jul 21, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't Matter
Their view is that its better to stay at home and watch a rival lose the game then to actually be there watching their team compete in it.
If you can't run with the big dogs
Sit on the porch with the puppies
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
2010 didn't replace anything in my mind
I have always thought that Texas sucked, they just stepped on the field and proved it.
Fact still remains that Oklahoma has been the most dominant modern era team and has the majority of the Big XII championships. Now that is something to covet…not a network or the money it brings.
by OnlyOneOU on Jul 21, 2011 12:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just check out the 10 win seasons. BOOM!
http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/m-footbl-no1-10win-seasons.html
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
no...it's both
the programming and the exposure is an issue and a real one. In fact that is more of an issue than the money. UT already has the largest athletic budget in the country piling on that doesn’t change that.
Your an idiot
It is interesting to me that a sooner is upset about rules…Do you even know where the sooner name came from? There was a land rush on what is now Oklahoma and these cheaters took off early claim some land. They got their name because the jumped the gun and left sooner that they were supposed to. Your mascot and name are synonymous with cheating! So unless you are speaking from the position of an expert on the subject, shut up! If Texas is breaking a rule I am sure that they aren’t going to publicize it. Have you ever heard of Rhett Bomar? Oh guess you forgot about your own little sooner messes.
Nice work sticking to your guns!
Like i said over at 12th man. One school cannot dictate a conference,and you guys let Texas know that. Now go bask in the hatred that BON is imploding over. It’s quite enjoyable
While I'm all about dictating terms to Texas...
We’re in a decent situation, especially if/when we get our own network. If that happens, we can basically operate at a quasi-Texas level, pending NCAA involvement and regulation. And most importantly we have the RRS and either at A&M or at O-State(which considering their history of sustaining success might not even be an issue).
Regardless, OU would be still competitive in the SEC but why would we trade a conference that basically comes down to a one game season for one with teams like Florida, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, and Auburn on the schedule every year? (Unless the payout is significantly larger but do you all really believe that would happen?)
And the suggestion that Stoops would for Ohio State is comical.
Do you want to be the best? Do you want to win national championships?
Sorry, but I don’t buy this “let’s duck the competition of a tough conference and play a schedule that isn’t as demanding” viewpoint. Running from competition is a t-sip thing.
Go undefeated in the Big 12
And you’re in the National Championship game, guaranteed. Hell, we (OU) got in over an undefeated Auburn team years ago.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions
If OU and A&M are in the SEC,
then getting through that conf with 1 and maybe even 2 losses will get you into the title game. OU would be in the west, which is great now, but just a few years ago stunk. It’s all cyclical. The Sooners would be in the top tier with Bama and LSU and would have to deal with the occasional uprising by the Hogs and Aggies. It is tougher than the Big XII-2, but not too much. My guess is OU would be the favorite to win the SEC this year and next (not that we would be in there this year, just sayin).
If they went in and won the conf or was in the top two the recruiting might actually get better. Think about rolling into the house of a top recruit in Texas and being able to tell them, OU is a top team in the best conf in the country and your parents can drive up to Norman to watch you play.
I say dump Texas and do it!!!
Which is why I don't really want
to bring you along. Y’all would take away our niche. Would much prefer Clemson to y’all. Of course, would prefer the SEC with y’all than the Big 12 forever.
Well that and
Then we wouldn’t be the only ones handing you 77 point butt kickings ;)
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by Jordan Esco on Jul 21, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Funny how above
Beergut is calling out Soonerdutch for running away from competition, but hear you don’t want OU to be in the SEC with you, because you know that recruits would rather have a chance to win a national title at OU and play in the SEC than go to A&M and learn traditions in the SEC.
Seems like you are the one afraid of competition.
when you start a sentence with "Beergut" odds are it is gonna be funny....
whether it is about his maroon colored beer goggles or his penchant for criticizing someone & turning around & doing the same…..
Go back and re-read the comments
I didn’t say I was worried about OU being in the SEC with us. I don’t think Stoops wants to go to the SEC, because I think he’d rather recruit California while playing in the Pac-12, but I’d be happy with OU in the SEC.
The only one afraid of competition here is the ‘sips, who are hiding behind an excuse of ’academics’ while avoiding the SEC.
yeah but
OU got in over an undefeated Auburn team years ago.
That would be very, very unlikely to happen again given the ‘perception’ of the all powerful SEC’s superiority in today’s world.
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you mean impossible...
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
Pretty much
Just didn’t want to put that ‘absoluteness’ on it, but yeah you’re probably right.
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After an undefeated SEC program, I still feel an undefeated Big 12 Champion (Texas or Oklahoma) would jump any other undefeated conference champion.
This is a generalization but as long as we are in the top 2, it doesn’t matter. With the Auburn example we were a solid number 2 after the SC juggernaut.
wrongly so, might I add...
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I want to win national championship. That is the ultimate goal.
As long as the current system is in place, playing in a weak conference is built for that. Besides our non-conference speaks for itself.
your boy mike
wants no part of the sooner competition in the SEC.
I guess getting perpetually destroyed (77-0…too soon?) will do that.
perpetually destroyed?
Like when we beat them last season?
Come talk when you can beat Baylor at home.
Come talk
when A&M wins a national title in your life time.
Or when you have a winning record against Texas at Kyle Field.
A&M may have beat OU & UT last season, but rest assured it wont happen again until say the next lunar eclipse.
The Aggies just dont get it that they are irrelevent in the big picture……. Has it really been 80 years since your ONLY national championship…… whoop that.
by OU JJ on Jul 22, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A&M may have beat OU & UT last season, but rest assured it wont happen again until say the next lunar eclipse.
So in the next year?
You might want to go study some astronomy, Okie.
Total lunar tomato tahmato.... Excuse me
When exactly was the last time the ags beat OU & texass in the same season b4 2010? Like 1998 or something?? Wowzers!
texass tv
according to what i heard on mike leach’s radio show, texass, according to an ncaa rule that the show cited, won’t be able to recruit players whom they show on tv.
Nevermind it was the SWC that broke up
Not the Big 8. Seems like every conference the Horns are in eventually breaks up. The Horns need the Sooners and Aggies far more than the Sooners need the Horns. As fars as OOC opponets well check this out.
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-12/oklahoma-sooners.php
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-12/texas-longhorns.php
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
I just think its ironic that most people blame the break up of the SWC really on SMU & the death penalty
And who was the lead investigator????
Don Beebe
Exactly
Josh Hamilton: "I just show up, look at the lineup and play where I’m told. If they want me to catch, I’ll catch."
Jon Daniels on relationship with #Rangers Young: "I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." 2/19/11
That happened years before the break up of the SWC though. I’ve personally never heard it attributed to the DP at SMU.
I have heard like 3 times this week. And it wasn't that long before. The SWC broke up like 4 seasons after the DP.
Brother in law played on 1st post DP team. Graduated HS in 89. That would mean 4-5 years, wasn’t big 12 1st season 95?
first season was 1996
A&M and texas being tired of supporting the athletic departments at UH, Rice, TCU, SMU, etc, had more to do with breakup of SWC and SMU’s DP or any NCAA violations. If NCAA probation was enough to wreck a conference, this conference would have disbanded already.
Off the top of my head, OU (twice), texas, Kansas, K-State (twice), Baylor (twice), Texas Tech (twice), and Missouri have all been hit with probation for major violations.
well.....I woke up this morning
and my attitude about all this hasn’t got much better.
In fact.here’s a song, the sums up my feelings. (Warning…..if you are easily offended, are at work, or sitting at the local coffee shop, please don’t click on this…and I apologize to the staff of the CCMachine in advance)
That is friggin hilarious!
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Jul 21, 2011 10:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
HAHAHA
Here’s the thing Sooners – I want you to succeed and I really hope you guys ditch the Big Texas conference sooner than later. But I have to say this, no offense, Where the hell were you after Nebraska said this is what is going to happen, why would you not vote with us. the votes always came back 11-1 with Nebraska being the 1.
And now your all of a sudden concerned after the numerous warnings we gave? and then this article has the balls to suggest “when push comes to shove it would be 9-1 against the Longhorns in terms of conference schools.” funny I remember everyone in the big 12 catering to whatever UT wanted. what’s changed.
I mean I don’t know what they put in the water down there but it seems like you guys have just came out of a daze and finally realized what the hell was going on.
What happened
Was we gave Texas an inch, and tried to take a foot. Nebraska didn’t even want to give them an inch.
New Orleans, here we come.
by KratosWasASooner on Jul 21, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we had a Big 10 invitation in hand I would say bolt, that's the best possible long term position for Oklahoma.
Problem is we didn’t have that and I would probably guess we still don’t. Even with the LHN, the Big 12 remains the best short term home for this program.
No offense, but sticking with Texas simply has many more advantages than taking Nebraska’s side.
I got nothing other than it sounds like an ESPN exec
overstepped his bounds and contradicted what Dodds said to begin with.
Dodds quote:
If the network does broadcast high school games, Dodds said Texas will insist that it not be involved in selecting games and that all references the Longhorns and their famous logo be removed.
“We do not want to use it as a recruiting advantage. We don’t want it tied to Texas,” Dodds said. “ESPN knows we don’t want to violate any NCAA rules and they don’t want to.”
I really don’t know how someone could monitor/patrol this issue. Every team that would be shown is going to be a good team with great players. Great players are going to be recruited by everyone in the nation, including Texas. The only thing you might be able to do is present the HS schedule to all ten teams and allow them to accept or reject the projected schedule.
The other thing this will do is to offer some exposure for those kids who might not otherwise receive it. A kid who holds no offers may get noticed by a coach from UNT or Tulsa. Likewise, a kid who holds offers from schools like UNT or Tulsa might get noticed by Tech or SMU.
move along folks...
nothing to see here, just another whorn devoid of logic. If you have seen one you have seen them all.
move along… move along.
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
by stoopwitzer on Jul 21, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
only because i am bord...
I got nothing other than it sounds like an ESPN exec
overstepped his bounds and contradicted what Dodds said to begin with
and we are off and running… you “got nothing” because anything to the contrary would only weaken your argument. Yes he contradicted Dodds but it was a 400 million dollar contradiction. meh, no biggie… Is Dodds going to broadcast his intentions when they fly in the face of NCAA bylaws? Of course not, he is a politician through and through. ESPiN exec? not so much. He is a salesman and he is selling a product and he made abundantly clear that the product is Texas. Was what he said a surprise? what? that he would be trying to get the largest viewership for his channel as possible? not hardly… and who is the market? Oh, that’s right paid subscription from (drum role) Whorns. The only surprise here is that he actually said what everyone else was already thinking. (i wonder if he is a Texas grad? ehh… another time.)
It’s plausible deniability for Dodds no matter how you cut it. ESPiN just screwed the pooch.
(insert your quote from Dodds as “proof”)
oh! you trust politicians… my mistake. moving on…
I really don’t know how someone could monitor/patrol this issue.
they can’t, that’s kind of the point.
Every team that would be shown is going to be a good team with great players. Great players are going to be recruited by everyone in the nation, including Texas.
Yes they are but how many of those schools are broadcasting said recruits into peoples living rooms? Now lets not kid ourselves into thinking this will have much sway over kids in Texas. If they get the offer, 9 times out of 10 they are going to accept. That won’t change (unless we broadcast that reluctant hold out of course) but you now have an exec expounding upon how the viewership is going to be thrilled when they have telecasts in Arizona.
Arizona? Why would Texas fans care about Ariz…. And presto! You have national recruiting the likes the collegiate landscape has never seen before.
The only thing you might be able to do is present the HS schedule to all ten teams and allow them to accept or reject the projected schedule.
going out on a limb here and saying there isn’t a schedule out there than ANY of the other 9 schools would agree to. If you highlight the number one recruit in Oklahoma that year does it benefit OU or OSU? I think not.
The other thing this will do is to offer some exposure for those kids who might not otherwise receive it. A kid who holds no offers may get noticed by a coach from UNT or Tulsa. Likewise, a kid who holds offers from schools like UNT or Tulsa might get noticed by Tech or SMU.
so you’re a politician too? huh… :-/
let me get a crack at this politico speak. I am not fluent mind you but i will give it a go…
Dodds released a statement earlier today that “Texas has decided that in the face of public outcry we wish to make a peace offering. We have offered free subscriptions to all division one coaching staffs! After all, LHN isn’t just entertainment for our fans… Oh no, its so much more! It’s a recruiting tool… a recruiting tool to be used and loved by all. This is us giving back…”
gee thanks…
so did i read what you said? yeah, yeah i did.
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
by stoopwitzer on Jul 21, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
borEd
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
by stoopwitzer on Jul 21, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
no, he didn't
I think what you mentioned is exactly the problem w/ the LHN. There is very little that can be done to monitor or control the programming.
The NCAA has to step in and place some very strict ground rules on team-only programming networks that, it seems to me, include broadcasting no high school games, period. If a university wants its own network, it has to abide by that rule.
I have just sat back and read all the comments on here, BON, and 12th man as well as on espn.com. I had been laughing at the aggies whining for a while now, but I think I am seeing more of their side now. I am to the point to where I just want to cut all ties to the whorns. Let them have independence and watch them scramble to find someone to schedule for all their sports…..the other plus is that it would make osu almost like a mid major overnight. 2 birds with one stone! I don’t really like the culture of the SEC much, but they are a really good football conference and a change of scenery would be nice.
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Jul 21, 2011 10:33 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
wait wait wait
IT IS only about football. period.
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
I am perplexed by the following statement:
The Longhorns actually may have already committed an NCAA violation because of the following comments by Longhorn Network director Dave Brown.
Doesn’t Brown work for ESPN, not Texas? How is that a Longhorn violation? That is ESPN erring in a way that they need training and guidelines. Simple solution here: don’t show high school games. If ESPN must show high school games, put ’em on ESPNU. I could care less about showing TXHSFB on the LHN.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
Airing the high school games and the extra conference game is what this is all about!
by IBleedCrimsonandCream on Jul 21, 2011 11:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
brown would by definition now be a Texas booster.
"I want to see if I can hurt some more people. To me, I don't think I'm out there hurting enough people. I should hurt a lot more people than I do. I'd like to hurt someone on every play." The Boz
by stoopwitzer on Jul 21, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm all for letting the Whorns try independence and we go elsewhere
I’m sure the RRS will be preserved, but I really don’t see a lot of other teams lining up to book an independent Texas on their schedule of OOC’s. Seriously, who wants the headache of dealing with these arrogant a-holes?
Also, from a competition standpoint, the move of OU and other Big 12-2 powers to the SEC would be the most exciting development in College football in a long time. Wouldn’t it? (Yes I know it would be a more difficult league, but winning the SEC with 2 losses still puts you in pretty good position to make it to the NC.)
by leatherneck1061 on Jul 21, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
The Problem with the Big 12 and it's instability
IS Texas
1) The Big 12 wouldn’t get much TV dollars with out Texas and couldn’t financially survive at the level it is now with out UT
2) Texas knows this…and is taking full advantage to maximize this….to the point that they are so far ahead of the others in budget, revenue, and now exposure, that it’s to the point where it’s hurting the conference and the other member schools…..which of course by reading this board and others no UT fan gives a flying flip about….
3) It’s that attitude, which makes UT not that great of a conference partner….and why OU and A&M are looking to go to a conference without UT…not with them…but as bad as conference partner UT is…with out them the Big 12 dies..
And that’s the instability of the league
Which is why I like the SEC…UT won’t be following us, it’s the best football conference in the country (just ask any SEC school fans). It’s not the Pac-whatever as I see OU playing Mississippi far easier than I see playing UCLA every year. the SEC is stable, and makes tons of money.
UT was the source of instability in the SWC, too.
At the time I went there, nearly every SWC school was either under investigation or on probation, but not the whorns. The president of the NCAA was a UT professor, at that time. Belmont Hall was a new car lot(probably still is) and what few whorn players I had classes with got “special” test times from the rest of the class.
They were petty, petulant egoists then and they still are. That the whorn fans don’t care about how healthy the rest of the conference is, only how profitable they are, tells us a great deal of their insecurity. Since they can’t be the champions on the field of play that their egos are so heavily invested in, then being the top money earner is the next best thing.
My oldest brother went to UofH as a QB when it was an independent. Nothing gave me greater pleasure than to be on the UH side of the field cheering for the Cougs when they whipped the whorns 30-0 to end the whorns 30 game home field winning streak, which was also Darrell Royals farewell season.
Being a life long Sooner fan, while a UT student purely out of convenience, I have a different perspective. UT does not represent the great state of Texas, only a small segment of it, which is why I never use the term so many use adding an additional s at the end of the word. I was born and raised in this state, and while I have traveled much of the world, lived in other states and countries, my heart has always been that of a proud Texan and I always got my hindy home as soon as I could. That said, since I was a kid, along with most of my family and friends, I despised the self-adoration that the whorns and their jock straps heap on themselves.
For my part, UT football is a source of irritation for many because of their egotistical notion that they are somehow the symbol of this great state.
If the whorns go indy, or OU goes to another conference because of the selfish nature of UT, then I say fine and I would also remove them from the schedule.
For some of us it is all about football not money. UT needs a spanking just as surely as any petulant child. If they want to separate themselves from the conference from bad behavior, then they should go all the way and separate out of the conference entirely.
by EasTex on Jul 21, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
whorns makes you lose all cred.
It’s the equivalent to Texas calling aTm Faggies etc. It is moronic. Strive to be better.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
wHorns
Considering their behavior for the past…50 years, including this discussion, there is no better description available.
Only an idiot would call that term moronic.
Now, I am an idiot...I got it.
Carry on. Trust me. You lose cred. The fact that you do not see that is comical.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
What a wuss!
You call me a moron and get upset when I respond.
Lose cred with whom? You?
Somehow I will survive.
/now that’s funny, right there
Moronic is an adjective...not a noun.
You lose credibility as it takes away from your point of view. If you are satisfied with a sophomoric platform, by all means, carry on.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, it's an adjective.
And the word moron is a noun and moronically is an adverb.
OTH, idiot and idiocy are nouns, idiotic is an adjective and idiotically is an adverb.
The point to all this is you took exception to my use of the word wHorns and described me, through my use of language, as moronic. When I responded in kind and accurately described you as a wuss and as being an idiot, you get upset.
I’ve been posting here since last December and not once has anyone objected to my use of the word, until now. Any concerns about me losing credibility from my point of view are unfounded, as I don’t give a care about your opinion of me or my language.
Since you only appeared today, the only credibility you have established for yourself is of an idiot, a wuss and someone who actually has praise for the accomplishments of Mack Brownthe wHorns CEO.
by EasTex on Jul 21, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was hoping you would post something like this. I love it.
"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer
You clearly don't know where you are
Lose cred??? This is Crimson and Cream Machine…..are you lost?
by leatherneck1061 on Jul 21, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
So, then you all using "land theives" must do the exact same right?
"You see we got another championship banner up? It’s not a South Division one, either." Bob Stoops
Crimson and Cream Machine - There's only one Oklahoma!
Listen to Sooner Nation, the #1 podcast for OU fans
I will take UCLA over Ole Miss any day.
Moreover, duking it out with Auburn, Bama, and LSU for the West is going to be ridiculously tough. Perhaps aTm and Sooner Nation wish for that. I’d rather play them in the MNC than the right to get to the MNC.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
well the winner of the SEC
gets and automatic bid to the BCS championship game…and I like that…and I think OU will hold up just fine in the SEC
OU would fit there perfectly.
The last five national champions have come from the SEC.
TAMU joining the SEC still seems like an odd fit.
19-10 in the SEC all time...i believe.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a brutal schedule in the SEC
and I think you could make a strong case that injuries from playing bigger, stronger, faster players and fewer gimmies on the schedule takes a huge toll. Got to agree with Mulligan, I don’t see the scheduling advantage either.
"What the hell did you do that for"... Tubs Mom
by raider realist on Jul 21, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Or you can go undefeated like Auburn in 2004
and get nothing. What an awesomely craptastic system we abide within.
I am quite thankful that at DKR, I do not have to listen to chants of "Big 12" echoing throughout.
by Mulliganville on Jul 21, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The BCS is a moronic system that makes absolutely zero sense at times
The list of teams that made the BCS game while another very easily could have been is numerous. Lucky for football fans the BCS contract is up in 2014 I believe and will have to be re-evaluated.
Outside of that
It comes down to this….if I were to run a marathon and trip at mile 3 but get back up and finish strong taking the prize, that’s all that matters. Rather than falling flat on my face at mile 25 to never get back up.
Football is based on an entire season not just one game and it shall be rated that way and no other way regardless of who thinks they were shafted.
The west would probably be..
Bama, LSU, Miss st, Ole Miss, Arky, A&M, and OU. There would be two games against the east which might be tough (Fla, UGA, SC), but then again, might not be (Vandy, Kent). There would be 4 non-conf games, which would have 1 toughie, a mid-range team, and 2 pushovers. It’s not as difficult as some make it out to be. Tougher than the Big XII…yes. Much tougher….not really.
Basically, there would be a yearly battle with Bama and LSU with the occasional uprising by Arky and A&M. In the old Big XII south it was OU, Texas, with A&M, OSU, and Tech with their uprisings. Of course, in the new B12 it’s OU, A&M, OSU, and Mizzou.
Also, you add the combination of the winningest program of the last 65 years with more national titles than the entire state of Texas combined and the SEC, you’ve got a recipe for even better recruiting than what’s happening now.
this is interesting
but I would add OSU to the West list, as if we go, I think they go..and the SEC goes to 16
now…who is #16 I don’t know…if it’s Missouri does that mean we lose bama? If it’s Clemson or West Virginia, then we are good
If they go for 16 and bring OSU and Mizzou..
then my guess is the west would consist of: OU, OSU, A&M, Mizzou, LSU, Arky, MSU, & Ole Miss. That’s if they want a true west and true east according to geography. I’d take that.
A 16-team-conference eliminates Texas from the equation completely
Think about it…there will be 8 teams on east and west meaning 7 of the games are already scheduled yearly while the other half of the conference would place 4 teams in a rotation on the schedule. This makes for 11 games in a 12 game season leaving one open for non-conference. If UT thinks OU and aTm jumping ship does not affect them, they are out of their minds.
Not to mention, I don’t think conferences will expand to more than 16 teams.
OU, Bama, & LSU
In the same division would be a freaking chainsaw. That would be a very difficult prospect every year.
"You see we got another championship banner up? It’s not a South Division one, either." Bob Stoops
Crimson and Cream Machine - There's only one Oklahoma!
Listen to Sooner Nation, the #1 podcast for OU fans
True.
But if you can split with those two and win the rest, you’re probably going to Atlanta.
As much as A&M would want to go,
I just don’t get the motivation for OU to go SEC. I think UT just sees this as a bluff, even while they are putting the brakes on LHN in public. Until proven otherwise, Texas is king of the mountain, and will have whatever they want, LHN or otherwise.
"What the hell did you do that for"... Tubs Mom
by raider realist on Jul 21, 2011 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
One question
For this threat to have any teeth, doesn’t OU have to have the state legislature on board? Especially if little brother isn’t invited?
by leatherneck1061 on Jul 21, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Boren has that bird in hand
"What the hell did you do that for"... Tubs Mom
by raider realist on Jul 21, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
only the approval
of the Oklahoma University system, and to be signed off by the person at the top of that…the Governor of the State of Oklahoma…which also sits at the top of the State University System.
But…I think OU drags little brother with us (assuming they want to go)
Could Falin politically get away with that.
I mean I know Oklahoma voters care about other issues but that’s dumping O-State would make lots of people pretty upset.
and wait till appropriations
which IS done in the legislature…what to see pissed off people trying to get their revenge or pound of flesh?
Might be "too little-too late"
Big 12 made a BIG mistake when it did not immediately replace Nebraska and Colorado.
Why did the conference NOT heavily recruit TCU and HOUSTON ? (or BOISE STATE)
WOW! What a conference that would have made but too late now.
Now, we hear rumors of OU and A&M going to the SEC. This would instantly become the SUPER conference of all college sports. Let Texas watch their Horns play Podunk U on their private ESPN aided network while FOX.ABC, and CBS hypnotizes America with REAL college sports (especially football). - Bama/LSU/Florida/Ark/Georgia/SoCarol/Fla St/Tex A&M on the OU schedule..WOW !! Imagine possibly losing two games in this conference and STILL becoming a National Champion?…but, It might be too little-too late beacse Texas jumped ship!!
Bert Robertson
Everyone has been saying TCU and Houston
But in the grand scheme of things it’s all about money and tv market. Houston and Ft. Worth are two areas that the Big XII already dominates so why bring them on board? Boise State might be a better choice as it would spread recruiting and market into unfamiliar territory but the only other feasible teams IMO were Utah and BYU.
TCU got their wish to be in a AQ conference so that subject is settled for now.
Interesting story...
I could see a conference network before I could see a network devoted to a single team be that OU, UT, TAMU, etc. A conference network, like the Big 10 network, could show high school games throughout the Big 12 geographical footprint and it would benfit each school in the conference financially.
I understand how big the UT fanbase is and how the school would want to put something like this together. But it undeniably provides an advantage to that school that is not available to schools in smaller markets. Think KC Royals v New York Yankees.
So, to me, this is an NCAA issue. If the NCAA allows it to go forward then they’re setting a dangerous precedent that would allow any and all teams to restrict access to nonsubscribers of their networks for certain games. Saturdays would never be the same.
Does anyone know the prospective dollar amount a Sooner Network could bring in?
Especially when compared with SEC or Big 10 super-conference money? I know we’re never going to get LHN type money but just curious what we’re looking at, and I’m assuming we doing something similar to the LHN.
The more I think about this OU to the Big 10 or SEC seems inevitable in the long run, just seems like the path where we’d be in best shape financially. Especially considering a Big 12 that hinges on the mood swings down in College Station.
that's hard to really say
as each conference divides it’s money up differently, and also uses the schools assets differently.
1) The Big 10…wouldn’t take us for several reasons, but their schools currently make about 23Miillion per school per year off the BIG athletically but they are the only one that shares Large Fed grants on the academic side…and OU isn’t an AAU school academically so they wouldn’t want us. However, this payout on the athletic side includes the schools “Third Tier” rights
2) The SEC schools make about $20Mill per year per school but does NOT include “Third Tier” which in the past was worth around $3-5 mill per school with some rare schools making a little more (which is why UT’s $15/mill deal for LHN was so shocking..we all expected the 3rd Tier rights to go up…but from $7 to $15M?)
3) The Big 12 right now is around $15-17Million per school per year with the new Fox Deal. Leagues splits money based on TV appearances and not equally. Also schools get to keep Third Tier Rights
The question is how much more would the schools make in Super-Conferences…and that know one really knows.
The the Big 12 hinges on the teets down in Austin more than it does the mood swings in College Station, sadly. They are the big fan and alumni base in the big population area, in a college football crazy area. Problem is they know it, and act like everyone else should be grateful for what ever falls of their table, and because of that should get to do what ever they damn well please, and the same rules don’t apply to them.
Disagree, the financial viability of the Big 12 lies down in Austin
Stability hinges on placating A&M. If they bolt, I doubt the conference couldn’t survive.
What I have heard strongly suggests the Big 10 doesn't want us
The SEC or PAC whatever seem to be the only 2 real options.
by leatherneck1061 on Jul 22, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
5-7? Or worse?
I hope they suck so bad this upcoming season that LongWhorn Network won’t even show highlights from the games. I’m still waiting for ESPN to realize that we are the better school and start treating us that way. They have the number…yet they still choose to buddy up with the burnt orange babies from the south.
texass = the new Notre Dame.
Everyone loves to hate them. All the while they think (thought) they were untouchable & on top of the world.
If A&M and Oklahoma go th the SEC
there will be a realignment in the divisions. One of the Alabama teams will be moved to the east. Or since the west is spanking the east most of the time the SEC may completely do over the divisions like the Big Ten did by strength of program over location.
Guess the sooners forgot who they are.....
It is interesting to me that a sooner is upset about rules…Do you even know where the sooner name came from? There was a land rush on what is now Oklahoma and these cheaters took off early claim some land. They got their name because the jumped the gun and left sooner that they were supposed to. Your mascot and name are synonymous with cheating! So unless you are speaking from the position of an expert on the subject, shut up! If Texas is breaking a rule I am sure that they aren’t going to publicize it. Have you ever heard of Rhett Bomar? Oh guess you forgot about your own little sooner messes.
Guess the sooners forgot who they are...
It is interesting to me that a sooner is upset about rules…Do you even know where the sooner name came from? There was a land rush on what is now Oklahoma and these cheaters took off early claim some land. They got their name because the jumped the gun and left sooner that they were supposed to. Your mascot and name are synonymous with cheating! So unless you are speaking from the position of an expert on the subject, shut up! If Texas is breaking a rule I am sure that they aren’t going to publicize it. Have you ever heard of Rhett Bomar? Oh guess you forgot about your own little sooner messes.
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