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Top 10 defensive position coaches in the Big 12-2

So last week we brought you the Top 10 offensive position coaches courtesy of Dave Matter's blog of the Columbia Tribune and now we're back (by popular demand) with Matter's Top 10 defensive position coaches.  Now these kinds of lists are always good this time of year to generate a little conversation, or even stir things up a bit, given how boring things can be waiting for what feels like forever before the start of football season.

You may remember I took a little exception to Matter's #3 ranking of Josh Heupel on his list as I believed, and still do, that given everything he has done with the QBs at OU he deserved the top ranking.  Where as with Heupel I felt justified, despite my obvious bias, in proclaiming his #1 ranking I'm met with another dilemma having read Matter's Top 10 defensive position coaches rankings.  As you've probably guessed already, based on the picture above, he's awarded his top overall ranking to Longhorn defensive backs coach (and occasional victim of Mack's wandering hands) Duane Akina.  The problem I, and many others here I assume as well, is being forced as a rabid OU fan to admit that I can't disagree with Akina at the top of the list.  As a Sooner, it makes me sick to acknowledge that but the facts are the facts.  I'll welcome anyone to convince me of my horrible mistake, but I don't believe it will be a very easy argument to make.

We'll get into the rest of the list and some additional thoughts after the jump.

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So before we get further into Akina and the rest of the candidates, here is the full list as Matter sees it.

1. Duane Akina - Texas - Defensive Backs

2. Craig Kuligowski - Missouri - Defensive Line

3. Brent Venables - OU - Linebackers

4. Oscar Giles - Texas - Defensive Ends

5. Dave Steckel - Missouri - Linebackers

6. Wally Burnham - Iowa State - Linebackers

7. Willie Martinez - OU - Defensive Backs

8. Mo Latimore - Kansas State - Defensive Tackles

9. Terrell Williams - Texas A&M - Defensive Line

10. Chad Glasgow - Texas Tech - Safeties

So briefly back to Akina before I puke in my mouth.  There is just no arguing what he's done with the Texas secondary and the talent he has recruited over the last decade.  As much as it pains me to admit, he and his track record of putting DBs into the league has been the specifically mentioned reason for multiple recruits to spurn OU for UT in the last couple years.  Now, given all that they've lost from last year's secondary, I expect this year to be a true test of just how good a secondary coach he really is and whether he's able to keep their back four from being a major liability.  Regardless, one bad year won't be able to erase the last ten no matter how much I'll enjoy it if they struggle (mightily?) this year.  Plus he has been primarily responsible for continuing to put Blake Gideon on the field the last three years, so that alone should probably bump him down to the #2 spot (just kidding.  Kind of).

So much like I thought Matter was guilty of a little homerism when he put Mizzou's WR coach ahead of Heupel in his offensive rankings, I also feel the same with his #2 ranking of a guy I (and I assume most of you) have never heard of.  No offense to the man, but I'm just not sure he has the track record and proven history of success to justify being ahead of a guy like Brent Venables.  I know Mizzou fans absolutely love #5 on Matter's list, Mizzou defensive coordinator Dave Steckel, and wouldn't also have him above Kuligowski. 

But back to Venables, now I know the guy takes plenty of heat over how he calls a game but few if any question him when it comes to coaching his position group.  The OU linebackers under Venables have consistently been a position of strength for the Sooners defense and outside of failing to have a backup for Ryan Reynolds on a miserable day in Dallas, have rarely been called into question under his watch.  Heck, he loves his guys so much he refuses to ever not have three of them on the field at one time no matter if the opponent is in a five wide set and he's forced to match up a LB on a WR that he has no possible chance of staying with, 'er my bad I'll save that rant for another day.  In all seriousness, few coaches if any on this list have the kind of track record as Venables and while I wouldn't bump him ahead of Akina, I think he's no worse than #2 in my book.

Now this may purely be my hatred shining through, but Oscar Giles?  Really?  Has there been a position at UT that has more five star talent that has underachieved more than DE in recent years?  Oh wait, you mean it's also happened at QB, RB, WR, TE, OL, & DT?  Okay, I guess we'll just add it to the list then which only begs the question that besides Orakpo why does Giles belong this high on the list?

In my opinion, the most glaring omission is OU DT coach Jackie Shipp.  In addition to being an incredibly dynamic recruiter, he has almost a comparable history to that of Akina at putting guys in the league.  So if that is a factor in Akina being #1, it sure as heck should earn Shipp a spot in the top ten.  I know Matter mentioned him in his breakdown of Venables, but that's a cop out for not including him on the list altogether.  No way in hell he isn't the best DT coach in the conference and seeing the guy from K-State on here and not Shipp is a complete joke.

Was happy to see Martinez get a little love as I really like what he's done with the OU secondary in just a short time in Norman.  Personally, I'm really excited about the future of the defensive backs under his tutelage and just hope we can keep him from taking another job for at least a couple years. 

So what do you all think of the defensive list?  Do you agree (barf) with Akina at #1?  If not, who would you put up there.  Where is Bill Young's name OSU fans?  All kinds of stuff to discuss in the comments, so have at it!

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But does anyone know how highly ranked the safeties were that Texas brought in? While Akina may be an amazing coach, sometimes it’s the student’s ability and not the teacher’s that led to great success. For instance, I’m not big on Coach Schmidt with my experience and knowledge of S&C, but people praise him for his statistics and output. However, it’s not like he had worked with crappy athletes at programs like Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma. I’m just saying, ranking position coaches might be more difficult than people think. I’m sure some of y’all disagree with me though.

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by OUPest on Jun 27, 2011 3:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Ratings coming out of high school have no bearing on performance at the college level. The aforementioned Blake Gideon was a 2 star safety coming out of Leander, but will have started for four consecutive years at Texas. I would venture a guess that he will get a shot at the NFL level and will likely earn a spot somewhere for special teams.

by NeTexHorn on Jun 27, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No freaking chance

You can’t possibly be serious? You think Gideon can play on Sundays?!?

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by Jordan Esco on Jun 27, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a thug in my eyes.

Site put him at 7th round. So that that means he won’t make it. I don’t like him.

"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer

by OUPest on Jun 27, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha You like that, eh? Just wanted to make sure you guys were paying attention.

by NeTexHorn on Jun 27, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

JaMarkus Russell.

(He’s like the Adolph Hiltler of internet sports blog thophs.)

In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"

by SaintSooner on Jun 27, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gideon won’t even make an NFL practice squad. He’ll be burned in the UFL by TD passes from Jerod Johnson.

by ambivalent on Jun 27, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree to an extent.

But I would say more often than not rankings play a factor, but we are all aware of the exceptions. We all know Bradford was a three star. It’s hard to rank the top 250+ athletes coming out of high school. Gideon was an excellent athlete, but he didn’t get much attention because he was only interested in 4 schools. Heck, it’s not like Oklahoma didn’t recruit him. We saw his potential talent. National recruiter didn’t. But to say his success was only due to the coach could be pushing it. Sorry for playing devil’s advocate. I just like to stir things up haha

"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
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by OUPest on Jun 27, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

As far as DB and Texas go

I always think of their DB more in a CB kind of way, not SS and FS.

"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer

by OUPest on Jun 27, 2011 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I kind of agree

But I believe Huff and the Griffin Bros. were all safeties (at least while they were at UT) and all pretty good players.

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by Jordan Esco on Jun 27, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer

by OUPest on Jun 27, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Total joke. Flat out absurd.

This guy doesn’t get it.

by OU JJ on Jun 27, 2011 4:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I think he's talking about

someone from Texas Tech making the top defensive list.

"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer

by OUPest on Jun 27, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

All of the above.

So now we judge coaches by how many they put in the NFL…not how far they actually coach them up. Shipp & the OSU dc being left off. Fairly certain BJW has done more than the kstate & tech guy combined. Since when does Mizzou warrant multiple staff???

by OU JJ on Jun 27, 2011 5:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, not entirely

But it would be incomplete, in my opinion anyway, for it not to be a factor. But to your point, it’s not like Akina hasn’t “coached them up” during his time in Austin. Now if you wanted to argue that, back when they at least appeared to know what they were doing when it came to recruiting, that it didn’t take a great coach to “coach ’em up” then that’s an argument I’d buy into. Also why I said that this year will really be a measuring stick to see if he actually deserves that top spot.

As for BJW, personally I think he’s a great recruiter but a very average position coach. So that’s why I didn’t make a big deal about not including him. Shipp is another story entirely and said as much in the story.

Other than that I’m with you on pretty much everything.

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by Jordan Esco on Jun 28, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I by no means think BJW is great.

In fact he isn’t, but he has done more to warrant it than atleast 3 on this list…

by OU JJ on Jun 28, 2011 11:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Coaching up an Allen Patrick trumps "coaching" AD

In that vein failing to coach up Blake Gideon & the DBs Is a bigger failure than “coaching” the griffins or Aaron Ross.

by OU JJ on Jun 28, 2011 11:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Giles

Outside of Orakpo, other successful ends under him have been Sam Acho, Henry Melton, who was a converted running back, Bryan Robison, and a couple others. Sergio Kindle also played some sort of hybrid position his junior and senior years, but I think he was still being coached under Muschamp as a linebacker. Anyway, not necessarily arguing that Giles is any better or worse than other coaches. After all, OU has had a number of impressive guys at end. Just throwing some names out there.

by mr.manager on Jun 28, 2011 12:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Reaching IMO

Acho was good last year, but not really a stand out any other year. Melton and Robison were really never that great. And Kindle, considering all the hype he came in with, has to be considered at least near the “bust” category.

I’m always open to being convinced that I’m wrong, but that didn’t quite do it for me. Definitely appreciate an opposing opinion though and the contribution.

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by Jordan Esco on Jun 28, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

No serious conversation can include Sergio "wait I was texting" ....

Lol. What an idiot…. And Converting Meltonsays texass was thin (no pun intended) at that spot

by OU JJ on Jun 28, 2011 11:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jerry Gray?

Do you know where you're at and who I am?

by isaidso on Jun 28, 2011 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Not sure I follow?

Akina went to Arizona, UT hired Gray to replace him, shortly after Gray left to go to the Titans, then UT brought Akina back.

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by Jordan Esco on Jun 28, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

A weeks stay in Austin warrants top 10 defensive coaches spot? lol

by NeTexHorn on Jun 28, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think Giles' inclusion on there is a joke

Sergio Kindle was a huge bust his senior year. He completely disappeared once they made him put his hand on the ground, come from the weakside, and face the opposition’s best blocker.

Glasgow is included because he came from one of the top defenses in the nation the last few years at TCU. TCU ran a three-safety system in their 4-2-5, and Glasgow is the safety coach, hence, he is considered one of the top safety coaches in the nation, which is why he is included in this list.

Mo Latimore from KSU confuses me; their run defense sucked last year, and their DL was a huge part of that. This makes him a top position coach?

I’d say Nick Toth, A&M’s OLB coach, deserves consideration here, because he did a phenomenal job helping our OLBs adjust to a new scheme, helped make Von Miller into a Butkus Award winner and Damontre Moore into a freshman All-American. There is only one year of results to go on with Toth, though.

My biggest problem with Dave Matter is he consistently overrated Missouri coaches.

by Beergut on Jun 30, 2011 1:28 AM CDT reply actions  

agreed
My biggest problem with Dave Matter is he consistently overrated Missouri coaches.

"You see we got another championship banner up? It’s not a South Division one, either." Bob Stoops

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by Jordan Esco on Jun 30, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

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