Top 10 offensive position coaches in the Big 12-2
So we talked about Columbia Tribune writer Dave Matter last week during the Evan Boehm/Durron Neal recruitment and not Matter has put out another discussion provoking blog entry. This time he put together his top ten list of the offensive position coaches currently in the Big 12. There are a couple interesting rankings and probably an omission or two that might surprise. So I thought I'd bring you all the list and see what you thought. So here is the list and after the jump, we'll get into the conversation about where you think he got it right or wrong.
1. Joe Wickline - Okie State - Offensive Line
2. Andy Hill - Missouri - Wide Receivers
3. Josh Heupel - OU - Quarterbacks
4. Dave Yost - Missouri - Quarterbacks
5. Cale Gundy - OU - Running Backs
6. Randy Clements - Baylor - Offensive Line
7. Jay Norvell - Wide Receivers
8. Bryan Harsin - Texas - Quarterbacks
9. Charlie Dickey - Kansas St. - Offensive Line
10. David Beaty - Kansas St. - Wide Receivers
So let's just start with #1 shall we. Now I know we have a couple (ok, maybe just one) OSU guys who happen to casually stop by from time to time, so maybe they can help me out on this one. Is this ranking justified? I'd probably have Wickline in the top three, as Matter discusses in his blog the results are hard to argue with,
From 2006-09, the Cowboys led the Big 12 in rushing behind Wickline’s lines, and last year, with a pass-heavy approach, OSU surrendered only 10 sacks in 13 games.
but I'd be hard pressed to put him above the guy whose picture you saw at the top of this story.
Now I'll readily admit my bias, but in my mind there is simply no way Josh Heupel isn't at the top of this list. He has mentored on stellar QB after another and the simple fact that Paul Thompson led his squad to a Big 12 championship is reason enough alone to give Heupel the benefit of the doubt if you had him even (or even close to) with another candidate for the top spot. So saying that, I guess since he covers Mizzou I shouldn't be surprised but by a show of hands who of you out there would have known who Andy Hill was before reading this? If I had told you he owned a small used car dealership outside of Boonville, MO or was the WR coach for Mizzou and the #2 best offensive coach in the Big 12 according to Mr. Matter, which one would you have believed? Like I said last week, I really like Matter's writing but I'm calling homer on this one. I believe Heupel to be one of, if not the best, position coaches in the entire country so being #1 in the Big 12 would be a no-brainer for me and there is no doubt in my mind he'd be ahead of Andy Hill.
I know they love Dave Yost in Columbia, but I'm not sure I could put him ahead of Cale Gundy on my list. If for no other reason than the collective amount of talent that Gundy has brought to Norman. Yost is no slouch either, working with Brad Smith, Booger EaterChase Daniel, and Blaine Gabbert but even as good as they were for Mizzou it pales in comparison to what Gundy has done at RB for the Sooners. Though now, having read what I just wrote, maybe it's not an entirely fair comparison since Yost can really only play one guy (ideally anyway) while Gundy can play multiple. So having said that, maybe Yost slightly above Gundy is fair after all.
I really like seeing Jay Norvell on here and I think if he continues on the track that he's on, he'll easily be pushing for top five status in the near future. Having just stolen Durron Neal from Mizzou's backyard and if he were able to also snag Dorial Green-Beckham (of please lord!) he'd have to be considered the best recruiting WR coach. You couple that with what he has helped Ryan Broyles become, what Kenny Stills did last year as a freshman, and the overall development of the WR position as a whole compared to when he first arrived and there is no argument to be made against the guy. Some OU fans may forget, but when he first arrived in Norman the wide receiver position was nowhere the shape it's in now. Many fans were asking "Who the heck is going to play WR this year?" while now the question is "How the heck are we gonna get all these WRs on the field?"
Now to the the guy I've been waiting to comment on, Bryan Harsin. Talk about undeserving, I mean the guy hasn't even coached a game in the Big 12 yet. How do we know what kind of a coach he's going to be? To me, this is Matter giving him too much credit for Kellen Moore putting up video game numbers against a one game schedule every year. Chris Petersen was the man behind that offense and while it would be incredibly naive to think Harsin didn't learn anything during his time there, you can't just simply assume that Harsin continues that same success against Big 12 competition. Then Matter gives him WAY, WAY, too much benefit of the doubt that he can do anything with that crap pile they have at QB down in Austin. The latest rumor is now the QB battle is a three way, including Gilly, McCoy Jr. and true frosh David Ash (can you say Connor Wood transfer?). With those in the know down there stating that they will develop a special package of plays (John Chiles what?) just for Ash to get him involved in the offense no matter what. I can't wait to see how well that works out because unless Ash is St. Tebow the Second, and we all know we were only blessed with one of him, that kind of gimmick works, oh about 10% of the time at best. So if he can accomplish anything with Gilly & Friends, then he'll easily earn a spot in the top ten, but as of now it's a little premature in my opinion.
So what do you all think? Am I a total homer with my Heupel pick? Am I not giving Hill & Yost enough credit? What would your Top 10 list look like? Those questions and so many others can be all yours for the low, low price of a CCM comment below. So what are you waiting for!
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I have no problem with either Wickline or Heupel
As number one, but I think it’s hard to compare the two and it’s why I hate lists like this. A good o-line makes an okay qb look good, and great qb’s can make bad lines look decent, but generally you need both to have a great offense. I prefer to compare line coaches to line coaches or qb coaches to qb coaches. And as for the mizzou guy, well, I guess some good has come of their amazing journalism school.
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by AUKingOState on Jun 20, 2011 4:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I hate rankings in general, especially when you're comparing apples to oranges
That being said, Heupel managed to do some pretty amazing things with the quarterbacks that he has seen come through Norman. He would be at the top of my list of national assistant coaches.
I will also say that it’s very difficult to evaluate offensive line. Unless you re-watch a ton of the games, your eyes aren’t immediately drawn to the line unless they lay someone out or get beaten badly for a sack / TFL.
"Coach Gundy, why was Oklahoma able to march right down the field against you?" --Erin Andrews
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 20, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't say that I know the names of 3 Mizzou WR let alone their coach.
And Gundy > Mizzou QB based soley on the fact that when AD went down, OU took slot of heat about Chris Brown getting snaps (how valuable was his short yards) & a converted juco DB (Patrick). Think about it Paul Thompson, Allen Patrick & Chris Brown led the offense to the Big 12 title….AD missed most of Oct & all of Nov….
by OU JJ on Jun 20, 2011 6:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Gundy has done more with less.... And had some pretty spectacular pupils
AD> booger & gabbert.
Demarco > gabbert or brad smith
Quentin Griffin over the rest….
by OU JJ on Jun 20, 2011 6:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The point being he got more production from Q, then
The Mizzou QB coach did with QBs
by OU JJ on Jun 21, 2011 12:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Are there any good defensive coaches?
Sheeesh!
"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer
by OUPest on Jun 20, 2011 7:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
haha oooops
Let’s get some defensive ratings then. I would like to see how people think we stack up against the conference.
"Let’s hang half-a-hundred on ‘em."
-Barry Switzer
Regardless of order, I would say there are two glaring omissions: Wyatt & Applewhite.
Wyatt should be on the list based on his body of work at Kansas and how he has been able to recruit while at Texas. He hit the ground running and has put together a pretty impressive recruiting class thus far. He is also one of the main reasons that Texas is on DGB and was able to get him to Austin.
I know the argument against Applewhite is going to be that he coaches the running backs and our running backs suck. I will not argue that point, but Major help hold together last years class and was able to get the #1 running back in the state to commit to a program that was in shambles.
Those aren't coaches, those are RECRUITERS
Applewhite IS a terrible RB coach. The proof is in the pudding on that one, but he never should’ve been coaching RB’s to begin with. He’s Josh Heupel Lite.
Wyatt is a good WR coach, but he hasn’t done anything at UT to earn respect yet as a coach.
I finally read the actual article where the rankings come from and found the criteria for the rankings:
Player development is the critical criterion here — not play-calling prowess — and these 10 are the league’s best heading the 2011 season..
If Wyatt wouldn’t qualify for the talent he produced at KU, I am not sure who would. Sure he has swapped schools, but his ability would not change based on location. If anything, he has an opportunity to be even better due to the talent he will access to at the high school level in Texas.
We are in agreement on the Applewhite assessment. He should not be coaching RB’s for Texas, but that is not the only thing that has hampered him as a coach. Some of the decision’s on who to offer as a RB (I’m looking at you, Whaley) and to only take one in a class have been a killer. I have read that Major wanted Brandon Williams in the previous class, but was over ruled by Mack/Davis. We could also get into line recruiting, but that is a long sordid affair.

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