OU Racking Up Secondary Violations
by OnlyOneOU on Feb 24, 2011 4:15 AM CST
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PrintFor anyone who is not in the know, secondary violations
are minor in nature and don’t produce substantial penalties
however, schools are still required to report them, due to NCAA rules, to the compliance staff of each school. OU has a compliance staff that is three times the national average and subsequently is therefore able to deal with and report three to four times the amount of violations of other major programs. We all know about the on-going Tiny Gallon incident (which currently stands as a secondary violation) but news broke Tuesday of other violations.
The Basketball program, which is currently on probation until May is now having to report recruiting violations. Apparently there were a couple of impermissible calls made to prospects as well as three other violations pertaining to official visits by prospects.
The football program is also committing a few violations itself.
The University started their investigations after a football player (who is un-named) refused to sign a weekly practice log and later provided the compliance office with a recording of Willie Martinez asking him why he had not shown up to a voluntary off-season workout. Jay Norvell as well as James Patton also had discussions with players about missing voluntary off-season workouts. Jackie Shipp would request to receive reports on who was and who wasn't participating in strengthening/conditioning workouts as well. Now normally this wouldn't be a problem, but seeing as how the NCAA has ruled to enforce an 8-hour weekly limit on "guided" off-season workouts and OU's Football program decided to add a pilates class to the schedule, a few players were pushed over this 8-hour limit. This caused a red flag to go up for the compliance office who then reported it to the NCAA.
The Football program also racked up a few more when it was discovered that text messages and phone calls had been made to recruits and their fathers as well as finding links to recruiting websites from the team's website just before last year's national signing day.
As for right now, the football program is getting a slap on the wrist with the punishment being that
OU is required to give players a week off from athletic training.
Not sure that there will be any new news on the basketball team until the Gallon situation has been figured out.
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The "recording" part of this story
Is by far and away the most disturbing for me to read about. Personally, I don’t think it’s nearly as sinister as some have made it out to be. What I mean by that is I’ve heard more than once people speculate that this kid “wore a wire” to get this recording. Now maybe I’m naive, but I don’t really see a college kid going to such lengths. I’m assuming it was as simple as a voicemail a coach left on his phone. Now I could be proven wrong, but even the mention of “wearing a wire” shows just how inflammatory and ridiculous can be these days.
Anyway, back to the point. Regardless of how it was obtained, the fact that this kid went so far as to report the coach is more than a little disturbing. This is a national championship caliber squad returning to Norman and I would hope that the players would have been able to handle this situation before it came to something like this. I have no clue who the players is, but I find it very hard to believe after this he’d be welcomed back by his fellow teammates. Seems like a really female dog (PG substitution) move to me and I’d have to think guys like Travis Lewis and Ryan Broyles would have a hard time respecting the guy again.
As for the rule violation of it all, I can’t really speak well enough to the fact of just how ridiculous the NCAA has proven to be yet again. So just to be clear, a coach literally cannot talk to his players during these random periods? And are they really so naive as to believe that Stoops’ dungeon master Jerry Schmidt doesn’t report back to Bob and his fellow coaches on the players participation and performance? So why this illusion that the coaches can have no contact with their own players? It, like so many NCAA “rules”, just seems so stupid it defies belief. Oh and we’re in trouble for kids working out too much?!? Really NCAA, really? Not because the coaches are forcing them to do it, but on their own they are putting in the extra work and your solution is to punish them for doing so? Dumbest. Thing. Ever.
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I agree it was probably a voicemail.
The fact that the kid went out of his way to report this means OU was probably being a little agressive in their “voluntary workouts” and it was either interfering with his school or more likely his social life.
So why this illusion that the coaches can have no contact with their own players? It, like so many NCAA "rules", just seems so stupid it defies belief.
I’m with you in today’s football this rule needs to be reworked.
Oh and we’re in trouble for kids working out too much?!? Really NCAA, really? Not because the coaches are forcing them to do it, but on their own they are putting in the extra work and your solution is to punish them for doing so? Dumbest. Thing. Ever.
Reguardless of the absurdity of the punishment (which I find very funny) these are voluntary workouts so I understand why yall would get in trouble but it happens everywhere, yall just got unlucky.
there is a fine line
between “voluntary” and “mandatory” and it seems many schools are crossing that line. Pro-sports are now a year round job, and many colleges look at this as the same thing too. I figure will see several schools get in trouble with this one.
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I think they should....
let the “recorder” transfer, effecitve immediately. We are already over the scholarship limit anyway, so he just made the job a bit easier. Now if he had a famous Daddy, we would definately know who he is.
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Agree completely
This whole episode is such a rediculous nonevent. Just another example of the NCAA being insanely anal over minor details while winking at major violations (cough cough Auburn); but for this corrupt and incompetent bureaucracy it’s all in a day’s work.
As for this kid who supplied the recording, his teammates need to take him on a little trip to the woodshed. What is this? The Powder Puff league? There isn’t a football coach in the land – not even at the High School level – who doesn’t do this sort of thing; they all want to see who really wants it, who is willing to put in the extra effort. It may not be “mandatory” but if you’re serious about improving as a player and athlete and being a contributor on the team, this is what guys who are hungry do to get there!
I know, I know….the rules are there to protect students who also have to focus on their studies. But if the league was serious about this, they would be putting every school in Division 1 under the microscope instead of just throwing OU under the bus, because they all do it – and everyone knows it!
by leatherneck1061 on Feb 24, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
TowerPower one thing you must realize when you quoted
Oh and we’re in trouble for kids working out too much?!? Really NCAA, really? Not because the coaches are forcing them to do it, but on their own they are putting in the extra work and your solution is to punish them for doing so? Dumbest. Thing. Ever.
is that the NCAA allows 8-hours for “guided” workouts. To me this says if a kid wants to workout on his/her own then they can go ahead an do so. Just where is the line of guided and non-guided start and stop is the question? Is a friend help him out guided? If he watches a video, is it guided?
good points, like I said it happens everywhere...
I think the rule should just allow coach instructed workout like I had I high school in the offseason for an hour and a half per weekday, done. Coaches can either workout the kids or hit the film room but just no pads, turn it into a PE type class and just make them schedule school around it. But that is just my humble opinion…
Bosworth had it RIGHT
and you all know what I would do to the wuss who reported a recorded conversation.
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