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An Appeal To Reason

After losing to Baylor for the first time ever, and losing at home for the first time since 2005 (let alone that loss being to a horribly mediocre Texas Tech), it would be easy to get frustrated with the direction of the program. After losing to Oklahoma State by the largest margin in decades, it would be easy to get upset at the coaches. For all of those things to occur in a year where we started out ranked #1, it's only a matter of time before we end up as the headline fanbase for Roll Bama Roll's weekly "It's Meltdown Time" feature. (Note: While writing this, RBR posted It's Meltdown Time, but focused on their own fans' reactions to our abject failure against OSU. I think they safely spoke for most of us that night.)

However, with the utter and complete failure of Bedlam behind us, I'm asking Sooner Nation to calm down for a second, and realize that this season was a combination of fixable coaching errors and uncontrollable bad luck. There have been four major themes throughout the Sooner message boards and fan base that have been prevalent over the last 72 hours, and I will address each of them in turn. 1) "Fire Willie Martinez!" 2) "Fire Brent Venables!" 3) "Landry Jones sucks!" 4) "Bob Stoops has lost 'it' " Before I get into those things after the jump, I want to say that there is blame to go around. I'm not going to say it could be worse and try to shame you into being grateful for 9-3. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

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1) "Fire Willie Martinez!"

No.

This is the rally cry of the militant moron. If you talk to someone who advocates this, talk about Christmas, network TV shows, whether Lady Gaga is really Sir Gaga, or some other mundane subject of no import. Don't discuss football with such people. You'll only end up hating yourself for it.

You do not fire a position coach in his first year. Or his second. I don't care how bad the on-field product looks, you have to apply context. Who was the coach before him? How good are his personnel? What is the scheme, and has he coached it before? You also have to keep in mind that some position coaches don't make good coordinators (Martinez, Duane Akina at Texas), and some coordinators don't make good head coaches (Mike Stoops). Just because they lost their last job doesn't mean they're not very good at their previous job. They got promotions for a reason.

The coach before Martinez was Bobby Jack Wright. I'm not going to explain why this fact alone makes a case for Martinez getting more time.

The personnel are good, but I think some are out of place. Gabe Lynn is an all-Big 12 safety waiting to happen, and Aaron Colvin had better be back at CB by spring practice. Lynn is serviceable in coverage (i.e., you can leave him on a 3rd or 4th WR option), but, MY GOD, that kid can bring the wood. That is the textbook definition of a Stoops strong safety. Quinton Carter was EXACTLY that kind of DB. Did you want him in coverage on Justin Blackmon? Not if he didn't have help, but he made WRs on crossing routes deeply nervous.

What about the scheme? From what I've seen, Martinez has coached the base Cover 2 the way OU deploys it (multiple looks and zone blitzes), and he gets it just fine. We'll talk about scheme more in the section on Venables. To my eye, the issues are how we deploy our personnel, not how we coach them. I don't care if you have 6 DBs on the field, if a decent QB has 4 or 5 seconds to throw, he's getting at least 10 yards out of it. That's not on the DB's, that's on the front 7 and the overall scheme.

If you do feel like whining about Martinez, just remember 2009, boys and girls. In 2009, we had this new WR coach named Jay Norvell. And EVERYONE wanted him fired after we spent the entire season battling a case of the drops that made it look like our WRs purchased their receivers gloves from Williams Sonoma. Then, in 2010, we saw the emergence of Ryan Broyles, Superstar, and Kenny "The best #2" Stills. We also picked up some very solid recruits at WR (including 2012 entry Trey Metoyer). Now, Norvell is "THE MAN." Give Martinez some time to recruit and develop his personnel. From what I saw of his secondaries when he was DB coach at Georgia, I think you'll be very pleased. The guy can coach DB's.

2) "Fire Brent Venables!"

This one is much tougher to handle. It's obvious that Venables felt the 3 man front was a natural progression from the 50 front we ran at the end of last year. We stuck with a look that ensured opposing offenses could commit a tackle to our outside blitzer. I can't defend that. The failure was schematic, and it was obvious to anyone paying attention. Instead of having our LBs/DB's running into RBs, they were running into 300 lb meat sacs and the results followed naturally. Our defense simply did not fit our personnel. We're small and fast at LB, and our scheme requires too much thinking for us to sit back and react in a zone. We can't send 5 with two of those guys being sub 230 and think we'll get pressure on RG3 or Brandon Weeden. That was just bad game planning.

Venables strangely forgot the first rule of beating the spread offense: pressure the QB into going to his first read, and the turnovers will follow. The spread offense kills you when a QB gets time to go through 3+ reads. We're conceding the line of scrimmage by going 3 on 5. And instead of clogging passing lanes, we're giving up massive cushions and leaving holes in zones all over the field.

Our defenses have admittedly been either best or 2nd best in the Big 12, but that's been mostly unimpressive since 2006. The best Big 12 defense in the last 5 years is just an okay defense in the SEC. A top 25 defense puts us at 11-1 and going to a BCS bowl as an at large with OSU holding the tiebreaker and still winning the conference. Instead, we finished the season 62nd in total defense and 37th in scoring defense. When Tech, Mizzou, and everyone in the conference openly talks about being completely unafraid of playing at Owen Field, it's time for a change at the top. Either Venables needs to make some very serious changes, or he needs to be replaced. To my mind, 2012 needs to be his last chance in any case. Another mediocre defense needs to lead to a pink slip. I'm willing to give him a pass because Austin Box was very clearly intended to be the pivot man of the front 7, and even though Tom Wort filled in admirably, Box was a natural leader and a great LB. That leadership was very obviously lacking on this defense as the year wore on.

3) "Landry Jones Sucks!"

No, he doesn't. He's a good D1 QB with NFL potential who isn't good enough to be a 1st team AA or win a Heisman. If he isn't immediately preceded by an Oklahoma native who just happened to be the best QB this conference has ever produced, we're a lot more appreciative. Guys like this win national championships when you build the right kind of team around them. (See: McElroy, Greg; Tebow, Tim; )

I'll admit, I was deeply critical of Landry Jones to begin with, and there is cause for that. He can't throw on the run with any accuracy, he has trouble trusting his pocket, and when he screws up, he screws up BIG. He also throws the 10 yard out on a frozen rope, he can put the ball in a 2 foot window from 30 yards out, and he's got our offense down pat. His problems aren't physical limitations or flaws in his mechanics. To the contrary, both of those are top notch. His problems are purely mental, and those can be fixed or at least mitigated.

Landry Jones is a lot like Tony Romo in some ways. If you ask him to win the game on his own, he'll melt down. Bedlam is a perfect example. It was clear from the postgame comments that the coaches came to him and told him that the only way we were winning is if he had a Herculean performance. He responded exactly as the last 3 years would indicate.

If you support him with a couple of good WRs and a decent running game, he'll look like a hero. This is not unreasonable for OU. Even with Miller and Calhoun leaving, we're deep at RB with Whaley, Finch, Millard and Williams all able to give us great carries and catch the ball in the flat or down the field. As a side note, something is off with Brennan Clay, and I don't know what it is. It's like he's only going at 90% on the field, and he doesn't know how to find that 5th gear anymore.

Kenny Stills will come back to form when healthy, Jaz will be a very solid (though sometimes infuriatingly inconsistent) #2 option, and I firmly expect Trey Metoyer to take the #3 WR spot by fall camp. God help this conference if we land Dorial Green-Beckham. We could really use Austin Haywood back at full capacity, but it's up to the coaches if that happens. Looking at our roster and our recruiting prospects, I think Bob's going to have to swallow his pride on this one. If Haywood is truly contrite, understands what he did wrong, and will put in the work, we need to let him back. Our other options at TE are rather dismal. New commit Brannon Green looks more like Brody Eldridge than he does Jermaine Gresham. Again, nothing wrong with that, but having a TE who can be a threat over the middle completely changes how defenses have to approach your offense.

4) Bob Stoops has lost "it"

I don't agree with this, but not in the way you might think. I'm not saying that something isn't wrong with the program, though. I just don't believe that there is any such intangible, magic thing as "it". You need tradition, commitment to winning from the university and the athletic department, access to talent, great coaches (or a once-in-a-lifetime talent), some luck, and a defined culture within the program. I think the last of those factors is beginning to falter at OU. And I think the problem lies solely in Bob Stoops' lap. With a salary in the neighborhood of five million dollars, every scintilla of scrutiny needs to start with Bob.

Stoops is still one of the 5 best head coaches in college football. We caught some incredibly bad breaks early, and we knew starting off that we had almost no margin for error with injuries. Our best LB passed away, our next best LB broke his foot and played on it injured all season, our starting RB broke his ankle halfway through the year, and our single best player on either side of the ball tore his ACL midway through conference play. That shouldn't have put us any worse than 10-2 even with the defense being not great, but Tech is the fluke that just keeps on hurting.

That said, the team's sudden lack of cohesion and focus on defense after the Texas win is seriously disconcerting. I've never seen an OU defense just fall apart like that except against K-State (Mike Stoops' departure didn't help) and USC. In this case, it was a multigame collapse. That's uncharacteristic of the team, and I think Damian Mackey's thoughts on the matter are rather salient.

[M]y cousin was at OU just a year ago and literally lived with Kenny, Tony and Co. the things I heard about the team, the culture, the chemistry, and the relationship with the coaches really blew me away. those of you who think we lack talent are wrong, those that think the kids don't want it are wrong. as much as it pains me to say this. the problem is the coaches and it starts from the top. does that mean Bob needs to get fired...NO. but i think he really needs to sit down and talk to his team because he has lost them.

For those of you who don't know who Damian Mackey is, here's his bio from SoonerSports.com. He played from 1998-2001, and he was a GA for two years after that. I would argue that his opinion is not one to be taken lightly.

This is Oklahoma Football. We don't play for next year, we play for THIS year. We play for championships, not moral victories. We don't accept being second best, and we do not hope that things get better on their own. T. Boone Pickens Oklahoma State is building a program over where the Rustoleum once stood, and, if it's not obvious, they're doing a hell of a job there. Texas has every resource and asset you could buy with oil money hope for, and they're bringing in top talent (both players and coaches). Also, we've got TCU moving to the neighborhood. It doesn't take but two or three years to go from top dog to also-ran with a group like that. At the end of the day, you have to hold someone accountable for failure, and the buck stops at the top. Your move, Coach Stoops.

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Looking like a tough season next year

I think it’s just about unanimous in the state – Landry, please return next year! Bell will stay getting getting upwards of 15 rushing TD’s next season, Allen will transfer, and Landry will scramble out of the pocket even with one of the better O lines blocking of him.

OState and KState are both clear front runners, but both TCU and WVU will mix things up in the Big 12. Horns will ruin someone’s season but remain mid-pack.

by CowboyKS on Dec 12, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

yes, great post, nh

1. couldn’t agree more.
2. I would only suggest additionally that maybe it’s tough to evaluate the value of a game plan or personnel use when the offense goes three and out several times in a row, or turns the ball over repeatedly, keeping the D constantly on the field and behind.
3. absolutely right-on analysis (esp paragraph two, but the whole thing is on the money)
4. For sure he needs to do something, and this explanation makes as much sense as any at this point.

by soonermusic on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

I want to call out the fans too.

I was at the A&M game this year and that was the first game I had been to since the OU-Tech game in 2008. The atmosphere in the stadium was obscene then, but at the A&M game it wasn’t. It was business as usual. I watched the LSU-Auburn game (on TV) where they had all their druggies out on suspension and they were fired up, the fans were fired up, and they smoked them without their star players.

I don’t want to rant on about the fans, but the SEC wins not because of talent but because you are a force to recon with if you can get the excitement on the field, sideline, and in the stands.

by Umm... Is that your final answer? on Dec 8, 2011 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

A good write up and I buy in on 3/4ths of it

I figure that you probably read some of my comments of the years so you should know how I feel about the QB. I’ve attended and watched Sooner football games in the Bud Wilkinson days, yeah I that fricken old, and I will say it until every damn cow comes home, LANDRY JONES does in fact SUCK!

He has not progressed a single bit since he replaced Bradford. This year was his worst year and to me there is only one stat that speaks the truth, W-L stats. His need of a security blanket at all times is ridiculous.

He is not a leader and shows no inkling in becoming one. OU need leadership on the field and the kid does not have it in him to do that. Yes he can throw the ball but his decision process is erred somewhere. I have never noticed where Jones tries too hard to force the ball in, rather he just throws into double,triple and quadruple coverage at a whim. The kid has no ballz when it come to contact football. He is in there because he ‘practiced better’. That is not a good enough reason.

In a comment on another post you can read about what he would have to do to get me back on his bandwagon, until then I don’t want him QB’ing OU teams, I want him to take a hike, long walk on a short pier, get lost and please, please please go to the NFL.

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Dec 8, 2011 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

He doesn't have the "intangibles" of Sam

And it doesn’t matter where he was born.

by OU JJ on Dec 8, 2011 7:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Stopped reading after the "No" on Martinez

The guy was ousted at Georgia for a reason. Now we’re seeing why. I don’t think keeping him shows that the HC is even trying. Calling people that want Martinez fired “morons” is a low blow. The guy has not turned out a quality product. Period. Sure, he’s all fired up and runs around yelling at people (which I like, don’t get me wrong). This does not mean that his guys are prepared and know their stuff. What they do on game days shows what they are taught. Apparently biting on the wheel route and not covering the deepest threat are what they are taught. Martinez must be gone.

Frankly, I don’t care to read the rest of the post because if you’re gonna support the guy who is in charge of the “Get Beat Deep” boys, then I frankly don’t think there is going to be any objectivity toward the rest of the thoughts.

Point blank: This program is in the same boat Mack Brown was in three to four years ago. They were starting to stagnate, but nothing changed. The same mistakes were being repeated, by different groups of players and still nothing changed. He continued to promote from within and things went from good to bad to WTH?

I don’t think OU wants to go down that road. But, with looking at “reason” like you ask all of us to do, we will surely slide right on down that slippery slope to 5-7.

by SCKSChief on Dec 8, 2011 12:12 PM CST reply actions  

Where did you go Christmas shopping at?

I think Black Friday is just ridiculous. Also, do you watch Big Bang Theory? I love that show.

by NateHeupel on Dec 8, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I DO enjoy Big Bang Theory

Do you like Buffalo Wild Wings? Delicious, that place.

by SCKSChief on Dec 9, 2011 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh man, BWW..

Carribean jerk, Asian zing, honey BBQ…

I guess Tempe will have to work.

by KratosWasASooner on Dec 9, 2011 6:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

This is absolutely true...
Stoops is still one of the 5 best head coaches in college football.

As a lifelong Hawkeye fan (can’t help it, I was born there!), I truly wish we had one of the 5 best instead of one of the 5 best compensated. No question that your program is on a significantly higher level than Iowa’s and most likely always will be, and I understand why Stoops jumped at the opportunity. Even so, we’ll gladly welcome him back home to Iowa City if and when y’all have had enough of his incompetence – oh wait, I forgot that I’m not Gary Barta, and we already have the best coach money can buy…

by BamaGatorHawk on Dec 8, 2011 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know that I can agree

until I see him actually address the issues that have been ravaging this team for YEARS. I’m getting pretty tired of the used car dealer runaround.

by SCKSChief on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

My Dad

OU alum and supporter since the late ’40s really dislikes Stoops and his coaches. He stopped drinking the Stoops kool-aid the year Snyder & Sproles laid it on us in the Big12 CG, and his disdain snowballs everytime we lose a game we cuda/shuda won. We hardly talk OU football anymore, but you are right SC ….. YEARS!!! (i wish i cuda heard what Snyder told Stoops when they shook hands after that game)

by FortySeven on Dec 8, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

He once WAS a top 5 head coach

but I don’t see it now. I could quickly name 5 head coaches I’d rather have then Bob Stoops, and I’m not even one that follows coaches all that closely. (Nick Saban, Les Miles, Bobby Petrino, Paul Rhoads, Chip Kelly, and I think even Art Briles, Gary Patterson, & Bill Snyder are better..not in any order, just ones that I think are better head coaches then Bob Stoops right now)

He’s lost his team….and that’s terrible.

His offense this year was a mess relying on a walk on Running Back and his Defense was laughable. Why? recruiting? injuries? coaching? ….all of these? At the end of the day, that’s the Head Coaches job. It’s why he’s getting paid $5 million dollars a year.

by Redhawk on Dec 8, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

as bad as I hate to, i've got to agree

When a coach loses his team like many people are starting to hear he has, it’s serious. Who knows, maybe he does a little soul searching this off season and gets hungry again, but I have my doubts. If he doesn’t and is unable to get these kids to believe in him again, next year will be as bad or worse than this year and we’ll probably waiting for them to hire a new HC.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Dec 8, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, you lost me at Lester

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Dec 8, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

who's got his team #1?

and in the top 5 consistently? and a couple of National Titles?

sure he comes off as an idiot…..but maybe he’s a good manager, who hires good assistants.

by Redhawk on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

that, and from all acounts he's a master motivator.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I was sort of being sarcastic

I thought you said “coaches I’d rather have” instead of coaches that were actually good. Yeah Lester is sitting pretty this year, but don’t forget that just 2 years ago there was a ground-swell of dissatisfaction in Baton Rouge because he just wasn’t getting it done. In 2008 they went 8-5 getting annihilated by Georgia and Florida, in 2009 they went 9-4, and finally last year made it to 10-2. Even during the championship run of 2007 they didn’t exactly look like worldbeaters – just a team that was able to finally finish and roll into the station on fumes (otherwise known as the last of Nick Saban’s players). Now Lester has gotten them to a solid position right now with the help of some good assistant coaches who will likely not be with him for long, but history suggests he could be in the hotseat again within a few years because his performance year-in and year-out has simply not been consistent. Memories seem to be short concerning LSU fans’ discontent with Miles just a short while ago.

If all this doesn’t mean anything, I’ll just sum it up with one point: I just don’t care to look at the sideline and see the madhatter in crimson and cream….I think it might make me puke. What’s next? We gonna have someone suggest the possibility of Macky taking over the reigns? (Again sarcasm…joking). What’s more, if we put aside this year for a moment, there hasn’t been any other year where he has really proven himself to be a better coach than Stoops, and I’m simply not convinced that he is.

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Dec 8, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

He does seem like an idiot

but I’ll take wins.

But as for being a better head coach, it’s the organizational resposnibilities and recruiting that is far more important then X and O’s. Which from what I can tell Les has done well.

I would take him as I’ve lost faith in Bob…..but I was questioning him for awhile. He and the OU program seem to be on a downhill slide to me for awhile. Slow…as we have still won Big 12 championships…..

by Redhawk on Dec 8, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

There is a problem with some sort of disconnect between Stoops and his team

and we have come out flat in several big games since 2003; I’ll grant you that. But just last year for example when Miles was just finishing 3 unimpressive seasons: Would you have said this then? I doubt it….I can’t imagine anyone here having said that, because most people just didn’t see Les Miles as having lived up to the standards set by his predecessor. I think memories about that are a little hazy now because we are caught up in the moment of Les being on top of the CFB world right now, and Bob Stoops having just presided over a season that is easily the low point of his OU career. If this happens again next year or even the next 2 years, I think it will be time to have this discussion; but right now it seems a little early to make conclusions – about Stoops or Lester.

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Dec 8, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I've always thought Miles was a very good coach

even when he was at OSU.

And yeah…not even the best coach is going to be UP all the time. But I do think Stoops has lost “something”, and I’ve lost faith in him turning it around.

That said…I think if Stoops were to be fired or quit and then came back in a few years at a new place, I bet he would be just fine. I think coaches can get stale if they are too long in one place. I think it’s a rare one, that can keep it going for a long period of time.

by Redhawk on Dec 8, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Miles is a very good coach

but still a freakin lunatic

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Dec 8, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear you, trust me, I do

I am just deathly afraid that what we’re seeing is the tip of the iceberg.

by SCKSChief on Dec 9, 2011 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

It may well be

This is just the kind of season that could be the beginning of a downward spiral – never underestimate the potential psychological damage of starting a season so highly ranked only to have it all unravel. The test now truly begins. How will the coach and this team respond? If Stoops gets shaken by such a disappointing and frustrating season and starts to go downhill and/or possibly even decide to retire, it wouldn’t be the first time something like this has happened to a head coach.

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Dec 9, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

By the way that's 1 national title so far not 2

We could have had 4 by now since we have been to the NC more than anyone else in the last decade.

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Dec 8, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

You're probably right to do so

Furthermore, I think it is in our interest and the interest of all college football fans that Lester’s boys beat the hell out of Bama….who everyone knows doesn’t deserve to be in the NC to begin with.

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Dec 8, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

hmmmmm

I was actually thinking if Bama won…then they would be 1-1 for the season, and to me that would be chaos to get the talking heads to talking.

Maybe lead to some changes with a plus one (seeded 4 team playoff) type set up.

by Redhawk on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Or if they get blown out

it will pour fuel on the fire about bama getting the nod over OSU to begin with. Not that I’m trying to stand up for the Puke’s rights or something, but rather trying to address the overwhelming SEC bias and the corrupt joke the BCS selection process has become. If bama were to lose and perhaps lose bad, it would serioulsy strengthen the position of those (like me) who said they didn’t earn the #2 spot to begin with (I mean seriously who have they beaten this year), and I think would do a lot to help the argument in favor of a real playoff rather than just a plus one.

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Dec 8, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

On this subject I would strongly recommend

everyone read this piece by Pete Fiutak who nails it once again.

Note the following excerpt in regards to a plus 1 format: “If the BCS games aren’t forced to take anyone, then take a wild guess who wins — the SEC. If there weren’t any automatic BCS bids, the league would probably get four teams — LSU, Alabama, Arkansas and South Carolina — into the mega-money showcase games.”

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Dec 8, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I would agree with that assessment

However, I’d like to skip all the formalities and just jump straight into an 8 team playoff (or a 10 team with two first-round byes). Make all games home games, except for the title game (just like the NFL) and award the home games to those who have successfully navigated their conference slate. In this instance, an Alabama/OSU matchup would be played in Stillwater, even though Bama is rated higher.

With the Top 8/10 teams, there shouldn’t be too many absurd situations like someone having to travel to Connecticut or something.

by SCKSChief on Dec 9, 2011 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Very good writeup

Hard to say with Venables. While I don’t think he is doing a great job, I don’t know of anyone off hand who would necessarily come in and do better. The only thing I can say with any kind of conviction is that our defensive scheme has failed. As for Martinez, you may be right that he needs a little more time – just not sure how much time the fan base would be willing to give him after performances like the one against Baylor. Bob Stoops obviously thinks highly of his coaching ability….I guess I’m just not sure yet.

Landry Jones is a problem. We all knew last year that he had great ability but also a penchant for making bonehead mistakes when he got under pressure. We tried to give him the benefit of the doubt that with time and experience he would get that under control, but the problem has arguably gotten worse. I don’t believe this is something even coaching can fix….this is a mental block for him that he has got to be able to overcome. I don’t think he’s necessarily scared of getting hit; maybe he is just afraid of screwing up. Whatever the case, I’d say most fans’ patience with him has largely been used up.

What it all comes down to though is Bob Stoops, and I think you nailed it. I don’t want to lose him, because I have very little confidence we would get someone else as good in his place. He is still one of the very best coaches in the business, particularly when it comes to recruiting and player development. But looking at how many times this team has come out flat, it’s clear there is a disconnect between him and his players. Things that he has said in the past convince me that he simply leaves a lot of the mental preparation, etc. on their shoulders. He looks at how well they practice and decides everything is ok, then pretty much just figures it’s up to them to be focused, motivated, etc. come game time. Someone should remind him he is coaching kids just out of high school and not the Green Bay Packers.

On a side note, I think it’s time for the Blake Bell era to begin. I hope our team is prepared.

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Dec 8, 2011 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

Agree and disagree

I think you are spot on about Stoops and Martinez, but Venables needs to go. The only good year I remember our defense having was 09, when we gave like 13 ppg. However, 41 to Tech, 45 to Baylor, and 25 to A&M is not getting it done. We have this year in and year out of having to win on offense instead of defense to win. Landry doesn’t suck, but he is not the one to lead the offense. Two fumbles when he was throwing the ball?! That’s pathetic. Also, Bell gives us that Tebow dimension that makes a formation with Millard, Ripkowski, and Finch back there with Bell makes our offense scary.

by soonercowboy14 on Dec 8, 2011 2:37 PM CST reply actions  

Go to rivals.com

and look up our defensive stats … good place for our numbers but it only goes back to 2003 i think.

by FortySeven on Dec 8, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

soonercowboy

Honestly, I’m willing to hear that side out in regards to terminating Venables now. I think his scheme relies too heavily on having either a super-genius at MLB or an absolutely elite DT. We should be able to be top 25-30 in total offense even with our present personnel. And I think our offense puts our defense in bad spots sometimes.

Regarding Blake Bell, I think he’s another full year away. Don’t forget he just started playing QB full time as a junior in high school. His passing technique is still a bit raw, but I’d like to see us give him more time when we have a game fully in hand. He needs to be able to run the full offense. Landry can’t be asked to be “the man”. I think Blake Bell has the character to be that kind of QB, but he hasn’t shown off the grasp of the offense just yet.

by NateHeupel on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Great write-up Nate

I agree with almost every single thing you said.

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by Jon Woods on Dec 8, 2011 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

My sentiments exactly.

It is unbelievably hard to win as consistently as this team does this day and age. You either have to be very very deep, or incredibly injury free to make it to a national title game, let alone win it. Great, great write-up, Nate.

I guess Tempe will have to work.

by KratosWasASooner on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Good, Positive Spin ...

HOWEVER … my thoughts on your article:
1) No comment
2) Get … Him … The Hell … Outta THERE!!! – This guy has disappointed rather consistently during his whole tenure. Overall we have good records, but good teams will always have a chance to gameplan venables successfully. It happens EVERY YEAR! It is our achilles heel in ANY BIG GAME, and it is soo bad we have to rely on the other team to have an off game (or get key injuries, or both) IF we want to win. If the other team plays from well to extremely well, it is a SURE BET we will lose … I hate this about our teams every year and I’m totally sick of it.
3) He doesn’t quite suck (the UT QBs suck), but he is not that good of a QB. You don’t have to have leftover Bradford filters on your glasses to see this either. He throws hard, and he’s accurate when the game resembles a practice BUT THAT IS ALL. He cannot lead the team if the chips are down.
4) Yes he has lost it, but he can get it back. Let’s face it, Stoops is not very likeable. He’s arrogant, seclusive, and acts like he’s above reproach. Does the guy even have a sense of humor?? Does he even know how to show he’s vulnerable? He reminds me of the character Robert DeNiro played as a producer where the movie poster had a ticket over his mouth with the inscription, “ADMIT NOTHING”, and in the movie everyone hated him ‘cuz he would never admit to anything. It’s vulnerabilities that make us human and likeable … Barry had tons of it. Winning championships overcomes many problems like these. So, Bob NEEDS A GOAL for the program, and he needs to embody it with the fervor he once had. Here’s a three-pronged goal for you Bob: 1) “Beat” the SEC, 2) Get another NC, and 3) Retire immediately after the game. Pull a “LaRussa” … if you will. #1 is important ‘cuz for almost the last decade the road to a NC goes through that conference (both on the field and in the media), and until they falter you’ll have to plan to beat their best. #2 is important ‘cuz it gets the fans off your back AND props up OU’s rep in college football (yes, our rep has become damaged with you at the helm). And #3 is important ‘cuz you’ll need your life back after you achieve #1 and #2. Do it Bob, you have the resources for it … now show college football you have the character too.

by FortySeven on Dec 9, 2011 9:37 AM CST reply actions  

The most important thing Lester does is be a 'players coach'

Stoops, Smack and many others are not “players coaches”. Lester relates to the kids, Bob doesn’t make any attempt to relate to anyone except maybe his other coaches.

Yes OU’s image is severely damaged to the point it will take several ass stomping years to turn it around. I now for a fact there have been several decades where the opposing team knew all the way to the bottom of their hearts that they had no chance of winning and were get their asses handed to them. The 50’s with Wilkinson, Fairbanks/The King, and The King’s tenure excepting the early 80’s. How good were the Sooners in the 70’s? They won 2 NC’s and the second one they didn’t even play in a bowl game.

Absolutely no one fears OU’s football teams anymore. At one time NU could always expect to get their bags cut in the last minute by OU. Nowadays everyone licks their chops to play OU. It started with the loss to BS St or the loss to K-St in the b12 CG.

I agree with several of you that Bob is going to have a very difficult time changing this. I hope he can do it, I just know it will be very difficult for him.

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Dec 9, 2011 2:21 PM CST reply actions  

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