Spoiled Sooner Fans
by BoomTown on Dec 4, 2011 1:49 PM CST
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PrintThe problem with Sooner fans today is that they are completly and udderly spoiled. This coming from a self proclaimed "biggest sooner fan" in the world. I live in Texas on top of that. How quickly we all forget the 12-22 record of John Blake before Stoops took over. I would take Bob Stoops over any other coach in the country. You people forget that Oklahoma is not just a football team......it's a program. How many programs out there can tell recruits year in and year out that in their four years at Oklahoma (Assuming they don't go pro early or transfer) that they have a shot at playing for at least one National Championship maybe even two while at OU. Maybe 5 programs in the country can boast this claim. Before you spoiled Sooner fans try to through out the baby with bath water ask yourself this question......If you really want Stoops out at OU, how would you feel about your Sooners facing another team coached by Bob Stoops?
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Given what we've seen this year
If he’s got Josh Heupel and Brent Venables on this staff at this “new job” of his, I’d feel pretty damn good about my chances. Maybe that “new job” renews his drive and motivation he has so clearly lost here at OU? If that’s the case then you’re post probably makes a lot more sense. But until I see him get that back, we’ve seen what this program is capable enough and it’s not good enough.
If you think that makes me a “spoiled” OU fan then consider me spoiled.
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Why A Problem With Josh Heupel??
I agree with you on the Venables front 100%, but Heupel?? Here is a guy that won a National Championship as a Sooner QB. All Sooner nation and the rest of the nation talked about was how smart Heupel was and how he managed games as player. He didn’t suddenly forget football……..This is his first year calling the plays with an offense that Kevin Wilson put in place. Give the guy at least five minutes to figure it out……………
Why Josh Heupel?
Because he had a horrible year calling plays. Give the guy five minutes? He had an entire season and while I’d very much agree w/ your “give him some time” comment (and did by the way) early this season. In the 12th game and that’s the offensive game plan you go with?!? Sorry friend, but he ain’t getting a pass on that one and to be frank, he doesn’t deserve one.
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by Jordan Esco on Dec 5, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Josh Heupel
was calling plays from an offense created by a man that is not even on the coaching staff this year. The offense averaged 530 yards per game this season and outscored the competition 483-273, that equates to outscoring the opponents by 30 TD’s. Jones throw for 4,302 and the RB’s combined racked up over 2,000 yards rushing this season. Landry Jones has a QB rating of 142. We averaged just over 40 points a game………Play calling??? Come on man you gotta give me something better than that………..All that while losing the leader of your team Ryan Broyles and your starting running back DW. Don’t blame Heupel for injuries and players failure to execute. Jones can’t throw it and catch it too!
You've got about as many excuses as Bob Stoops
We/they need answers. Not excuses.
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The Facts
I simply stated the facts about the offense. How is that creating excuses? I want number 8 just as bad as the rest of you.
Facts, even injuries, can be used as excuses
At a school like Oklahoma, you’re supposed to have depth. Obviously losing a player the caliber of Broyles you’re never going to actually “replace”, but at OU there shouldn’t be the significant drop off we witnessed. Our backups are very rarely ever ready b/c Bob never gives them a chance to play unless he’s forced to by injury.
Not to mention we’re supposedly dealing with a “Heisman caliber” QB, so is it unrealistic to expect him not to shat himself under pressure or missing his #1 target?
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by Jordan Esco on Dec 6, 2011 6:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good post BoomTown
How fast many people forget. Are there problems? Yes. Is this year a disappointment? Yes. The “fire everyone” mantra around here….I can do without. I’d love to see more level-headedness on this blog.
Considering what I have spent in tickets since 1995. Plus travel, plus my OU education.
I do feel entitled to demand a better product than we got this year. This team’s lack of chemistry & desire goes to the coaching. Same with play calling. I said it before I would rather have the 2009 team or even the 2005 team. At least they had heart & fight, even with a worse record.
A spoiled sooner fan.
spoiled?
I guess that depends on your expectations for the team and the program.
3 losses, and a 4th one coming up to Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl (as I write this that’s the speculation), and finishing out of the top 25 isn’t mine.
BUT…that’s not my main problem, nor many of the others you think are “spoiled”. There is something fishy here in Denmark. Something isn’t right. Having one 7 Big 12 Titles, followed by this year seems like the program is pointed the wrong way.
I’m not sure that way is “Down” necessarily….but it’s not National Championship level. And I no longer believe Bob Stoops is the man to assemble the staff, that will run an offense and defense that will get OU to win another National Championship.
So yes…if you mean OU fans want National Championships every 6 years on average since winning our first under Bud Wilkerson are not happy we are sitting at 12 years and counting are “spoiled” ….then yeah, we’re spoiled.
and no I haven’t forgotten the Blake years….I was a donor then, and still emotionally scared from hugs to O linemen after procedure penalties.
I'm Spoiled
I’m spoiled just as much as the next guy, but I understand that I’m spoiled and do not spit negativity all over the board. I’m glad I’m a Sooner fan and wouldn’t want to be a fan of any other team in this country. The good thing about being a Sooner fan is that their is always next year. Not many fans can say that! Come hell or high water I know Stoops is going to put a winning team on the field.
I think you miss the point a lot of us have tried to make.
I understand there will be up years and down years. I don’t have a problem with losing a game here and there. It happens. What I find unacceptable is the way we lose the games. There really is no excuse for some of the performances we’ve witnessed this season.
I went in to last nights game knowing we would peobably lose and had pretty much came to terms with it, but what I witnessed last night was much worse than any loss.
by SoonerGoneEast on Dec 4, 2011 6:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Good ole' boy staff
If Stoops continues to hire his ole buddy pals from Iowa and K State, and former players to run his team, the program will go nowhere. Stoops needs to go out and get THE BEST coordinators and position coaches in the country. Every year us OU fans look at the roster and returning players and say “Man, if theres ever a chance, THIS IS IT”. But no, we always end up getting derailed by Mizzou or Texas Tech or A&M, teams that should easily be beaten by our 3rd string. Every Sooner fan that lives outside of Oklahoma knows the pain of snobby Razorback or Tiger fans saying “Guess you have to root for us now, huh?” When it comes to recruiting, yes Stoops is among the top. But the guy cant get his players motivated at all. Think of the biggest games early in the season: Florida State and Texas. Both of these were huge wins to good teams because the players got themselves motivated. Now some would say its the players own jobs to get themselves motivated, and I agree to an extent. But it is a little harder to get motivated to play Texas Tech than it is to UT.
Givin em' the business
I wasn't mad in 05 or 09
but I’m pissed now. In 05, we simply weren’t that good. Yeah we lost a lot, but we never lost by playing badly. TCU went 12-1, UCLA went 11-2, and Texas won the NC. We still beat a Top 10 team that year.
In 2009, our QB and AA TE were out the entire season. We still beat Stanford and almost Texas, and shutout the almost BCS bound Pukes. All with a frosh QB.
This we lost to TECH, got embarrassed by RGIII, and then had our manhood stolen by Oklahoma St. 3 bad losses!
by soonercowboy14 on Dec 4, 2011 9:31 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
It's The Defense
At the end of the day the problem is with the defense. The defense has not been the same since Mike Stoops left for Arizona right before our championship game agianst LSU. Texas Tech is an awful team as they showed after they lost out after beating OU at home……..RG3 could possibly win the heisman and Ok St. just flat out beat us beacuse they are a better team. We won the last 8 against OK St. You can’t win them all and losing is never pretty!
Losing like THAT is never pretty
RG3 shouldn’t have beaten us by himself. He is an amazing talent, but there really isn’t that much around him. Sure is hard for such a talented guy to miss wide open WR running all over.
The problem isn’t solely with the defense, though. OU’s running game is an insult to the term itself. The run blocking looks like a pillow fight. Baylor and OSU both had trouble stopping the run against previous opponents. Good thing OU exploited that.
Ok St. was the better team
But were they 34 points better? Hell no. It’s not all on the defense. The offense just flat out sucked on Saturday. Landry’s 4 turnovers were inexcusable. Never should he drop the ball when he throws, or under throw a wideout the way he was doing. I don’t ask to win every time. But I expect a hard fought game. It was a pitiful game with no energy, and that should never happen.
by soonercowboy14 on Dec 5, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not 34 Points Better
OK State is certainly not 34 points better than OU. Unfortunately it doesn’t matter who you are playing……..If you have 5 turnovers you are most likely going to get blown out. I hate to bring it up but this game looked like OU versus USC in the National Championship game. It’s disappointing and embarrassing. I’m still wearing my OU hoodie with pride today amongst the Longhorn faithful in Dallas, Texas.
Nothing like telling someone else how to be a fan
The reason we’re all so pissed is because we are fans. We care. Deeply. The real issue is not being spoiled. It’s fear. We’re (I’m using broad strokes here, so I hope I don’t put words in anyone’s mouth!) afraid that we are in decline, that we are headed back to the doom and gloom of the Blake/Schnelly/Gibbs years. This team does not look good. The schemes do not look good. There is a problem. The boss refuses to acknowledge it. My biggest fear, personally, is that Bob will not address these issues and continue to be complacent and happy where he is and this program will wither away and become aTm.
This is what drives me to not be “level headed”. Level headed be damned. This place needs some trash taken out.
by SCKSChief on Dec 5, 2011 7:47 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
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Doom And Gloom??
How in the world do you see the Sooners as returning to doom and gloom?? We are 9-3 and going to a bowl game (AGAIN) for goodness sake. I know the bowl invite is nothing to brag about, but we now have a chance to win 10 games (AGAIN). Yes, we got our arse handed to us by OK State. It happens! The coaches don’t coach interceptions and fumbles. This is on the players. We outscored our opponents 483-273 this year. We averaged 40 points a game and averaged giving up 22 points a game. In the Big 12 giving up only 22 points a game should put you in a position to win more times than not. Just to break it down for you we scored 30 more TD’s than the competition. We passed for 4302 yards and rushed for 2066. That’s an average of 530 yards of offense per game. Landry Jones had a QB rating 142.4 this year!!! Not telling you how to be a fan, but you are spoiled and your post is indicative of that. That’s ok because I am too.
It isn't the losses
It is HOW the games are lost and to WHOM they are lost. This is a common theme here. If OU were to lose three games, by reasonable scores, to GOOD teams, that is one thing. But to have the stuffing beat out of you (once at home) by two lesser teams, then to get OWNED in a rivalry game that is for all the marbles, this is unacceptable.
Be as happy as you want that we still have another “bowl” game and all that jazz. If you can’t see the inevitable coming, if things aren’t adequately addressed, then that’s your thing. I remember one time when France was happy that Hitler was only invading Poland and Czechoslovakia and Belgium. Plus they had that wonderful Maginot Line upon which to rely.
The point of the historical parallel is to show that you can’t sit back and close your eyes and hope the bad things on the horizon will just go away. You have to take action to MAKE them go away and change your fortunes, just like Europe could’ve stopped Hitler much sooner, this program can avert the disaster that IS coming. The question is: will they?
No more Feared Defense..... It was the hallmark of the team....
when OU was feared.. they had a SCARY D…
TT, Baylor and now OSU showed the D is nothing to be feared.. or even have much respect for.
When OSU worked over Baylor and TT… OU should have been scared..really scared
by EdmondSoonerOregonNow on Dec 5, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
I Think We All Agree
that changes need to me made and will be made, but I’m still confused on the inevitable is that you speak of. If you were expecting chnages to happen in the middle of the season or two days after getting throttled by OK St. it’s not happening. Stoops knows that he has issues and will address them in the off season. Just because he is not publicly throwing people under the bus does not mean that the issues will not be addressed. If he does not address the issues then he must go. Given his past he will address the issues………. I could get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull’s arse, but I’d rather take the butcher’s word for it."
Um, no
changes will be made
We don’t all agree on this
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You Don't Agree That Changes Need To Be Made?
Based on what I’m reading I would say that, that’s the consensus.
You said "will be made"
There is a big difference between recognizing a need and Bob actually coming through…sounds like the BCS…
^this^
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Oh and
he is not publicly throwing people under the bus
He actually IS doing this. If you listened to and/or read his post game comments, he very much through his players under the bus. Something he does on a pretty regular basis actually.
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I Agree Totally
The players should be held accountable. At the end of the day coaches coach and players play.
Nope
This lost should be spread all around. They lost this game as a team and it cannot be put on one person.
That's what JTE was getting at
when he mentioned Stoops throwing people under the bus. When the coach starts to do this, he’s lost control of the team.
This really is starting to look more and more like the Chiefs at the end of Marty’s tenure.
If You Lose Control Of A Team
You Never Had Control To Start With. Stoops has not lost control and has never lost control of a team. I guess SCKSCheif and I are not going to agree on anything today.
It's gotta be your bull
I don’t think that Stoops honestly knows he has issues. I think his head is too far in the sand.
Stoops Comments on Monday 12/5
“We haven’t been the same team from one week to the next”
The Sooners have been without their season rushing leader, Dominique Whaley, since he suffered a broken ankle on the first play of an Oct. 29 game at Kansas State.
“You become a different team when you lose players like that,” Stoops said. “That’s not an excuse. It’s a reality when somebody goes down who has given you production like that.”
Stoops is less than satisfied with the inconsistency Oklahoma has shown defensively, particularly in surrendering an average of 43.3 points in its three losses. In their nine wins, the Sooners have given up 15.8 points per game.
“Our defense has been very inconsistent,” Stoops said. “In nine games, we played pretty well, but we have had three games where we played very poorly.”
Stoops doesn’t pin all of the issues on his defense.
“Our offense has contributed to some of the problems our defense has been faced with,” Stoops said. “In the Texas Tech and the Oklahoma State games in particular, issues on offense were a big part of it as much as anything.”
SCKSChief…….I don’t think Stoops has his head in the sand. He is publicly stating that the team has issues all over the place.
Talking about the issues and actually correcting them are two different things. Hopefully these issues get corrected in the offseason.
He stated as much for the past two seasons
Yet, we still see the same issues; no running game, no consistency at QB, no DL presence, poor secondary play, non-existent special teams. Hell, the only thing he’s fixed is the kicker, but we still have four on scholarship!
What he’s saying is he will do everything short of a shake-up where it counts. Tweaking a broken system is not successful. Soviet Union kinda discovered that.
Oh
And Frank Solich got fired at Nebraska for far lesser crimes. His losses were to top five teams, yet his teams didn’t show up and weren’t competitive (sound familiar?) in those losses. Sure, they messed up in the next hire, but seem to have the right guy right now.
Bottom line is: Stoops has some changes to make. He can’t just blindly “stay the course” and keep trotting out the horse soldiers against the cannons. I think that only worked in The Charge of the Light Brigade…but not too well.
I do have to say,
that up until last Saturday, only 1 team “handed it” to OU during Stoops’ tenure. That was the best paid team in college football… ever. To lay such an egg on national TV should require some real soul searching by this staff.
If I got spoiled on anything, it was the heart and desire the 2000-2004 teams all showed. They understood what it takes to win. And since Stoops openly comments that it is not his responsibility to motivate his players, he and his staff need to start recruiting players with the same mental characteristics as those early 2000’s squads.
OU got blown out by little brother, had it’s first loss to Baylor EVER, and had its home winning streak snapped, by the worst TTu team in over a decade…
all. in. one. year.
While the world is not ending, something most definitely smells rotten.
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
If you goals/expectations
Are winning seasons and bowl games, well then we’re just never going to disagree. If that’s how low your standards are I’m not sure you’ve followed OU football very long. Those “goals” aren’t good enough here. Bob knew that when he took the job and nothing has changed since.
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You Are Spoiled I Knew It
I have probably been following OU football for longer than you have been alive. I expect OU to win every single game and contend for a National Championship year after year. What I expect and what is realistic is two different things. So, given your expectations what coach on the market out there would you hire to win you a National Championship every year for our Sooners???
Classic "out" question
I know one guy who can coach this team just as poorly as they are getting coached right now, and do it at a fraction of the cost; this guy!
If you want to have a discussion
have one. Your glib, little comments guarantee you won’t last long on this forum.
Now, tell us all how your “having been a Sooner fan since before we all were born” made you any more, or any better of a fan?
Here is a hint. It doesn’t.
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
I Will Have A Discussion
with the fans that respond to me. The discussion that you chimed in on did not include you. I never said that I was a greater or bigger Sooner fan than anyone hear. What I did say to another fan was that I have followed the Sooners longer than he/she has been alive. That was in response to the fan questioning how long I have followed the Sooners. It was a little tongue and cheek but I think you are WAAAAY to serious to understand tongue and cheek. You stick to your threads and I will stick to mine…….K, Great!
Wait
So, first you say ‘last time I checked, this was an open forum’, and then follow with ‘the discussion you chimed in on did not include you’, double standard much? You made a post on a public forum, which made it open to criticism from anyone. Most all of us here comport ourselves in a fair manner, understanding we all do not share the exact same opinion. You seem to want to demean those who disagree with you (oh, sorry, you want to hide it behind being ‘tongue in cheek’), and then cry foul when someone else calls you on it.
When you respond to other comments that you either do not like or do not agree with with passive aggression (K, great, yes sir, Mr. moderator, calling others spoiled, and negative innuendos comments about someone liking the Cubs), you aren’t being tongue in cheek, you are just being childish. I have no patience for it. It just ‘dumbs’ down the conversation.
And I did originally respond to you. My first response in this thread was respectful, and provided specific, concrete reasons as to why I had some disagreement with your OP.
The last sentence is no way to go through life.
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
Agree To Disagree
You and I could piss in the wind all day long if you would like. I would prefer not to. You have your opinions and I have mine. Maybe you will think before you jump next time.
Funny
I am not doing any pissing. And you surely are not the one doing any thinking.
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
I don't play
I fire smug people like you.
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
hit me with another dumb quip
Boomtown. Come on. Hurry up.
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
Still waiting for you to admit to your double standard
Oh yes, you ignore and go on about something else.
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
Which Way Did He Go George
“You fire smug people like me.” Now that my friend is believable! You fire people like me because we wont let you walk all over us. You can’t stand to not have complete control and it drives you mad. Get over yourself please Mr. Harken!!!
That’s why I have my own business….So I don’t have to worry about working for short torque control freaks as yourself.
No, just that you are too arrogant
and dumb to respect other people’s opinions. You reflect today’s, me attitude, stupidity.
That is great that you have your own business. Code phrase for “I cannot hack it and play well with others”.
I have no control issues. I have problems with your lack of accountability issues.
You psycho analysis is lacking.
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
Before You Completly Jump Off
the deep end don’t you have someone to go fire. I heard that they didn’t like the coffee you made at the office this morning. You are wasting my time………Respond with whatever you would like but be sure to make it real good so you get the last laugh…….I will not be responding to any further comments from you unless they are regarding Sooners football. Make it good……..BUDDY!
How come the only one who has issues with more than one person here is YOU?
Simple enough. You do. I don’t.
All you write is drivel.
seriously…..when was the last time you went to Ames? ever?
by PA Sooner 95 on Dec 6, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
yeah..spoiled
yeah, we don’t expect to lose to Baylor…we don’t expect to be killed by OSU, we don’t expect to be underdogs to OSU 3 years in a row, we don’t expect to go to the Insight Bowl
We aren’t Texas A&M….ok, is not good enough.
If you can’t see that there are problems with the program, good for you…but I guess I’m just too “spoiled” to agree to settling for mediocrity, and being happy with it.
by Redhawk on Dec 5, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't See The Problems???
You may have not been reading my other post. There is clearly a problem but the solution is not to fire Bob Stoops.
Why?
Why is that not the solution? Because you’re afraid of a John Blake re-hire?
If Bob Stoops does not address/fix the problems that have been present for the past three seasons, then we are at a cross roads. We will be danged if we do, danged if we don’t. A poor re-hire vs a steady decline from complacency and apathy. I’d rather take my chances on a re-hire, to be honest.
I Said I Agree
on numerous times that I think Stoops should go if the issues are not addressed. Am I afraid of a John Blake re-hire? Ya damn right I am! I still don’t see the rapid decline that you speak of. Yes, the Sooners lost three games and they weren’t pretty. Do you think I enjoyed sitting at Floyd Casey Stadium watching the Sooners get beat by the Baylor Bears? Do you think I enjoyed watching the longest win streak in the nation get snapped by an awful TT team? No I didn’t! I’m not settling for mediocrity, but I’m also not so blind to think we are always going to have perfect team chemistry and run the table. The season was a disappointment no doubt! Does that mean fire Bob Stoops at this point? Absolutely not. If changes are not made I will be the first fan on here to post FIRE BOB STOOPS!
Okay
Because in the very statement to which I responded, you said, and I quote, “There is clearly a problem but the solution is not to fire Bob Stoops.”
You seem to be straddling the fence on this issue and it is causing you to be misunderstood quite a bit. Take a stance, man!
Off The Fence
My stance is this………Bob Stoops should not be fired at this time. There are issues that clearly need to be addressed. If Stoops does not take the appropriate actions in the off season and we have a repeat of this year the he must go!
Whew
Now we’re getting somewhere! LOL
I’m not saying, nor was I ever saying (well truly meaning!) to fire anyone immediately. I think there needs to be a guillotine march come December 31, though. I don’t care if OU beats Iowa 70-0. Minimum three changes on staff…maybe 5 or 6. Has to be.
My choices; OL, DC, DB. This means that LB becomes a need by default.
I would also suggest a long hard look at DL and RB. I know Gundy is a “great recruiter”, but these backs really are either horrible students of the game, have no vision, are terrible players or are being coached in a sub-par fashion. I know the OL has issues, hence my canning of the guy in charge. OC also needs some philosophy adjustments.
Good Observations
The defense is a hot mess for sure. Could it be that OU is famous for recruiting athletes for one position yet transforming them to play another position once they get to Norman? I know sometimes this works, but I have also seen the failures of it. It’s difficult for a HS running back or receiver to become a DB in college. It’s not something that just clicks in an offseason. When I watch the OU secondary it reminds of my Dallas Cowboys……When the opposing team catches the ball there is rarely a Dallas defender within 8 yards of the play. No defender in sight on T.V. Very frustrating! I mentioned this to a friend of mine and his response was for me to get a bigger T.V.
OL, DC, and certainly DB is a great place to start. DL has issues, but the way opposing receivers are running wide open they really don’t have much time to get to the QB before the ball is gone. That’s no excuse for not stopping the run though.
With the OU offense so pass happy I think it is going to kill us as we try to recruit tier one RB’s. While the offense is fun to watch when it’s working like a well-oiled machine we need to be able to ground and pound the football when we need to……..OK State would have been a good place for that plan. I think we have basically recruited a bunch of finesse players rather than mean and tough hardnosed guys. Mean and tough guys usually play with heart while most finesse players play with attitude and raw talent.
I will take the guys with heart. Sorry to get off on a rant but my mind started racing as I thought about this team.
I honestly feel like Stoops will address the proper areas in the offseason. He knows it’s all screwed up and let’s face it………….With an ego as big as Bob’s the Sooners wont be down for long.
Well said
I just hope you’re right about him knowing that there is an issue. More than that, I REALLY hope you’re right that he takes the appropriate steps to fix them.
I see major philosophy adjustments that need to be made, program wide.
I really liked your point about recruiting non-position-specific kids and moving them around like chess pieces. I think that schtick has run its course.
Would you rather have the past?? Or the NOW?
I live in Oregon… go to many Duck games.. always wear the Crimson, I went to the Pac12 Champ game Friday…
I get the same “response” 99% of the time.. from educated college football fans..
Stoops is arrogant.. both Bob and Mike.. Bob is a has been and a thing of the past.. Oklahoma can talk about what they did 10 years ago.. or before.. but not about what they do now.. last year or next year.. It is a hard point to argue..especially after Saturday night..
thoughts??
by EdmondSoonerOregonNow on Dec 5, 2011 1:46 PM CST reply actions
SPOILED SOONER FAN & PROUD OF IT
as i said way way way up there, I would trade this team for the team led by Paul Thompson any day of the week. For the team led by Rhett FREAKING Bomar. Any team that Nate Hybl was a part of. No one laid down & took a beating with no PRIDE like this team did. It starts at the top & it trickles down. Bob NEEDS to hold his assistance to a certain & specific criteria. We have no Special Teams coach yet we have a lawyer college roomate with NO coaching experience on staff. Why wouldnt kids that are 18 or 19 feel entitled?? Seriously.
My tickets are roughly $800, plus $150 for FSU + $220 for texass. I dropped probably the cost of a months tuition & room & board to go to Tally. Does that make me spoiled, yeah probably. Does expecting more out of this team & this staff make me SPOILED? Absolutely NOT!
I was offered Bedlam tickets
Really glad I couldn’t take them. Happy I took my kids to a WSU basketball game on Thursday and a hockey game on Friday. Sadly, the hockey game and the first half of the basketball game looked like the entire game (minus the Belldozer play) on Saturday. Bad sports weekend. But hey, Shocks beat UNLV, by 20, on Sunday and the Chiefs managed to not lose!
I Agree....
I am one of them……It was tough waiting this one out due to the rain delay. We came out flat and got it handed to us and almost made a heck of a comeback. We make our field goals and we probably don’t lose that game. We should have never been in that situation in the first place. I’m just as big as a fan as the others here and just as spoiled. Regardless……I will be sitting in my same seats once again next year expecting to win every game! BOOMER!!!
Heupel and Venables
Let’s get something straight here…Heupel and Venables are NOT on the same footing in this argument. Venables has been DC for a long time, and has had ample time to get the job down. And failed completely. He has similar talent to work with as Alabama and LSU and gets mediocre, at best, results. Venables needs to be fired and replaced.
Heupel has only been OC for one year. Offensively he’s had a good year calling plays. The only game where OU was shut down, the OSU game, poor execution and “bad” Landry shut down the game plan, not Heupel. Until Heupel has been OC for 5 or 6 years there is simply no way to hold him as accountable as Venables.
I get that
But giving anyone 5 to 6 years just because is a recipe for disaster, IMO. I don’t think you ride the train that far if the tracks are ending. Not saying they are, but there is need of quite a bit of track building at present.
I agree. The only way you can allow Heupel any longer than two to three years
is if you see marked improvement each season. I don’t think this will be an issue though as I believe Heupel will continue to develop into a good OC. These “growing pains” are the difference between moving someone up thru the ranks as opposed to hiring a seasoned OC.
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