Bedlam 2011 - A "Vulnerables Classic" Defensive Recap
First and foremost, just so it's perfectly clear, all credit to Mike Gundy, his staff, and all the OSU players. They were so far and away the superior team last night it wasn't even funny (it was sad actually, but we'll get to that). I've already read whining from OSU fans that they're not getting the credit they deserve from us, OU fans. I mean as if winning isn't enough for you. You'll get the respect you deserve from this OU fan because you earned it. If there is an OU fan, a real OU fan, on this planet that wasn't humbled by that public castration last night then they are flat out lying to you and themselves. This isn't meant as an insult, obviously after last night we're in no place to be dishing out those, but I'm sure you'll take it as one. Take a cue from the greatest player in the history of your university. You were much better, you kicked our arse, but as hard as it is just try to act like you've been there before. That's what schools who have "arrived", like I know you think you have now, do because they aren't just pretending to be there.
Ok, now on to the matter at hand which is the second most idiotic game plan a person could possibly imagine. And it's only second because the first, sadly, resides within the same staff and Matt has already summed that up pretty nicely. I have the displeasure of attempting to apply logic to the stupidity of what Brent Venables chose to do with this defense last night. I'd be amazed if I hadn't already seen his repeated failures so many times this season and I know for a fact I'm not alone in this. This sounds stupid to say (or type as it were), but watching this defense last night it was almost as if Venables said "What is the absolute worst possible thing I could do on defense? I think I'll do that!" There is no question in my mind that's what Josh Heupel did, so I guess if one coach on this staff was stupid enough to do it why not two?
I suppose that can only lead to one unavoidable question. Who is dumber, the two coordinators for doing it in the first place or their boss (the five million dollar man) for signing off on the game plan to begin with and then doing absolutely nothing to force any adjustments? Pretty sure I know my answer, how about you?
There are so, so, so many disgusting things from this game last night it's incredibly difficult to single out just one or two to fixate on. I'd venture to guess most of you know me well enough to know I'd have no problem going on a 10,000 word tirade right about now. And while it might, and I stress the word might, make me feel .00000000001% better it would probably just put you to sleep. So as hard as it will be, I'll try and limit myself.
As I was saying before, it's not difficult to find things to be pissed off about when it comes to this defensive performance last night. But for this OU fan, EASILY the most baffling and rage inducing was Venables absolutely inexplicable decision to utilize his beloved three man d-line. Yet again.
This formation has literally failed to work the entire season despite repeated stubbornness by Venables continued use of it. Forgive the redundancy, but I feel it bares repeating just for the sake of emphasis. THE THREE MAN D-LINE HASN'T WORKED ALL F'ING SEASON!!!!!!! It was the dumbest possible thing Venables could have done with his defense, so naturally they went to it early in the game. Then after it failed to accomplish anything aside from allowing Brandon Weeden all freaking day to throw, they refuse to adjust or try anything different. Yep, their solution was apparently to just keep doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. I could be wrong, but I think there is an old saying about that.
We said it here before the game and I'd guess you all were saying the same thing to your OU friends. What they couldn't do was rush three, drop eight, and get zero pressure on Weeden allowing him to get comfortable in the pocket. They had to get pressure on Weeden. Had to. As little faith as I have in these coaches this morning, I don't think they are stupid enough not to know at least that. So with that assumption, how in the frick could they have possibly thought a three man rush was the winning formula???
As stupid as the decision to go with the three man line was from a pass rush perspective, what makes it even worse is how big a role it played in OSU's run game absolutely dominating. To say OSU's offensive line dominated the OU front seven would be an insult to the word dominate. It was flat out embarrassing. OSU used the exact game plan the OU coaches were too ignorant to employ. Give the OSU coaches credit for being intelligent enough to do so. Both Joseph Randle and Jeremy Smith were gashing the Oklahoma defense and getting chunks of yards seemingly at will. To be brutally honest, or just fair really, they ran the heart out of the OU defense. Some of the effort, or more accurately the lack there of, in what can only be described as attempts to tackle in that second half was despicable.
This one might ruffle some feathers, but I feel it's more than fair and needs to be said. I'm as big a fan of Travis Lewis as anyone and will forever appreciate everything he's done during his five years in Norman. That said, his act is more than a little worn thin. When you're getting your arse handed to you like you were last night, what you don't do is get in the face of opposing players. It's pathetic and only adds to the embarrassment IMO. Talking trash in those instances just makes you look like an idiot.
I think what I'm most sad about is how sickeningly predictable this coaching staff has become. I don't know if it's arrogance, or ignorance, or complacency, or laziness, or whatever. Frankly I don't give a bleep. But when I can post, several days before the game, virtually everything they shouldn't do, qualify it by saying they'll do it anyway, and then they actually do it? Well my friends, that isn't just depressing it's freaking pathetic.
Whether it was going back to the three man d-line, a clearly less than 100% Travis Lewis covering Justin Blackmon one-on-one (I mean seriously Brent?!?), a LB (Ibiloye) helplessly chasing a WR from behind after a 53-yard gain, it was all so sadly predictable. And that my friends is what this staff has become. Wait, is it sad or predictable you ask?
Yes.
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You drilled it here. I guess our coaches philosopher now is if its broke don’t fix it. I know I stated this last night but its definitely time for change. Josh needs to go back to being a qb coach and Brent has to go period. And someone needs to put Bob in his place as well.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 11:58 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Stoops biggest problem
Let’s all remember Stoops is the captain of the ship. How can everybody kept talking about what the coordinators are doing badly, Stoops is the boss. Stoops is either not willing to make changes, or does not know how. Does anyone think his success early in his OU career was probably not from his knowledge, but from the coordinators we have lost to other teams. I do!
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Stoops isn’t off the hook and the point you’re making if one that has been made here countless times. We all know this as do you obviously, so we (or I) just didn’t feel like it needed to be made yet again. It’s common knowledge IMO.
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New DC?
Lifelong Sooner fan…Family from Lawton…Completely amazed at the trajectory of this season. This has to be the end of the Venables era, correct? Any ideas who is the right fit to take over DC role?
has to be. but unless he takes a job it won't be, Stoops wiil not fire him.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
who in the world would hire him or any other OU coach
excepting Stoops after last night and this season. Any school would want Stoops for name recognition at least but there is not a single coach on this staff that could even sniff a good job let alone anyone wanting them.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Jim leavitt?
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 12:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
hey man, if you hit reply it'll we'll know who your talking too.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
Sorry on my smart phone so I get delayed a lot.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 12:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yea I have a Droid and have to refresh every 2 seconds to keep up.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 12:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the SBN app is nice but needs the 'thread thing fixed'
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
He's working for the Harbaugh in San Fran
He is a college guy. and had some solid D’s at USF
IMO if we can unload BV... thats who Bob will go after.
himor Chris Wilson who was on staff for maybe 4 years before going to Miss St to be DC.
no one wants BV, but I think it goes deeper tha BV
it is deep in the assistant coaches, line coaches, unit coaches and position coaches. All the crap gets pushed up the chain and gets filtered. By the time it hits the DC and OC level it is filtered, favored and fraught with loyalty homey – isms. When it gets to the Stoops level there is no telling what it looks like, if it even get to that level.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Hate to say it but in coaching you can’t be too loyal. And if that’s the case Joe C needs to step in.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 12:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Pressure has to build on Stoops
Preseason #1…Injuries? Sure but last time I checked LSU had a few injuries right? I cannot believe that Stoops does not feel obligated to shake up the staff after this season.
jte my friend, I'm now in near complete agreement with you.
I’ve disagreed with you alot since i’ve been coming to the site, but not really at all lately. I can’t for the life of me understand why they thought it was a good idea to not put pressure on somebody who can’t scramble, and loses it when he’s pressured!? I don’t get at all, weeden is as bad as landry when you get pressure on him, but he’ll pick you apart if you don’t. They did the exact opposite of what was needed to win last night, and seemed content when it didn’t work. It’s time for big changes in Norman.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
Also a knock on this staff. We NEVER play back UPS with a huge lead so rarely do they get game experience. So when they do come in they almost look lost ( see Gabe Lynn vs t tech). And our safeties our horrible.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 12:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
LOSUr St didn't play backups very much either
that will be the number 1 reason they FAIL next year. Weedin and Blackmon are gone. LOSUr St will go back to irrelevant-ville next year.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
I disagree
They have a lot of good players and really good RB’s. They won’t be as good as OU but they will be competitive
by chilidogfever74 on Dec 4, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I personally think that going into next year:
The qb job is up for grabs. If Blake shows he knows the system any where near as well as Landry, his talent and potential to be the return Cam Newton has to beat out Landry who has clearly reached his ceiling
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Landry hasn’t made the progress necessary to keep his job as a starter.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 12:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know if this is the sole reason
But Landry got screwed up his first year in replacement of Sam. He never seems confident unless he’s throwing to Ryan. Blake always seems to have a “this is my ball and I’m gonna score” mentality. Partially as well, Landry is never forgiven for a mistake, where as Blake threw that int and people just let it go
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
ye, but I say
Good Landry/Bad Landry must go. Must go and take his individual records with him. Those stats are meaningless without the big wins that were expected.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
He hasn't thrown a td since Ryan go hurt
Partially since he lost his only receiver he ever has trusted and made up for his lack of confidence, and partially since Stoope s trusts Blake more (as he should)
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Since then they have started falling
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He had the awesome game against K-State I think
Then Blake came in and Ryan went out and Landry went down the tube
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree 100%. Give me a nasty defense and run game. I’ll take 21 to 6 scores and a qb who can manage the game and not cost us any day of the year.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 12:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take Blake in the Auburn Cam Netwon offense
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly the point
Give him Dom or Millard in the backfield with Stills, DGB, Reynolds, and Metoyer out wide. Blake would get us down the field just like Cam.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But on Bells int they ran a 1 man route. Hard to complete passes when you have 1 option. He could’ve seen that and ran but he was almost set up for failure on that call.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 12:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
difference is Landry has thrown so many interceptions that COST the game.
Bell throw one meaninglessly. If he had done it against baylor rather than tie the game, it would be different IMO
But still, we would have held that against Landry cause he is Sam's successor
He just can’t handle the pressure that has come with that. He does and always will live in Sam’s shadow and he can’t handle it
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Blake has thrown
4 passes this season. This leads to the forgiveness; he hasn’t had the chances. Landry has about 1000 attempts as a Sooner and still looks lost.
by SCKSChief on Dec 4, 2011 12:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Blake's passes also seem scripted to me
Which helps me forgive him.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, but its also:
With Landry: we say “well Sam wouldn’t do that”, with Blake: we say “well he’s not Landry, so that’s a plus”
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
because when the open guy isnt there, or the pocket collapses
we know Blake will run…… and run like the dozer he is…..
Yep, he's the white Cam Newton IMO
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 1:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
HFJ?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 1:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What people need to realize is that Landry should NEVER be asked to...
throw the ball more than 30 times a game. For him to be successful the coaches need him to have a steady run game. But instead we put the game on his shoulders and that should never happen.
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Then replace him with a qb who can do that
He has a scrambled brain when dealing with any form of pressure it seems (physical or mental of living up to Sam). He has always had inflated stats cause of Ryan
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Name the QB on the roster who you'd feel comfortable with throwing 30+ passes a game.
I don’t think theres but 3 or 4 guys in the whole country I’d trust to throw 30 + times a game. Are you trying to tell me we have one on the bench?
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I'd trust Blake to throw the ball and run it a combined 35 times a game
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd trust Blake more than Landry as a whole
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow.
I know Landry isn’t the greatest QB to ever play the game. But you do realize that the coaches set him up for failure? They don’t give him a running game to set up the pass. They ask him to throw a bazillion times a game. Chances are you’re gonna fail.
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They lost Dom and Ryan
And Landry went down the tubes with Ryan’s knee. I would rather spread it out with 4 wr’s and Blake then Lamdry.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Disagree here. He makes throws and has fumbles that a 3rd year starter should never have. Sometimes an imcompletion is as good as anything. He panics and throws into traffic or never comes off of his first read. That’s all on him idc if he throws 9 times or 49 times a game.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 12:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yes he starts to throw off his back foot.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 1:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He also has this issue:
When he misses, he misses high. That leaves you open to ints
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
true. the thing is looking back at the numbers....
since texass LJ has been thrwoing 20-25 incompletions per game.
where as before texass it was 8-9 per game. I dont care how many drops you have that is on LJ PERIOD.
+ infinity
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 12:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wouldn't you agree btw?
That Landry has just never been able to handle having to replace Sam the Man?
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hasn't been able to handle
Playing the position at all.
by SCKSChief on Dec 4, 2011 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I can only speak of one item you wrote on,
losur st fans. They will not be able to act like they have been there because never EVER in the history of the universe has LOSUr St. been there before. They will continue to act like they have the greatest team since ‘sliced bread’ but the fact remains… they have never been there and most likely will not get there again soon.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
You never see OU/Bama football or Duke basketball
Rush a field after a win. Rushing the field is a sign of a fanbase who doesn’t know what winning feels like
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 12:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Right on
Venable’s love for that package is sickening. That fact that it has shortchanged our team game after game only hurts more.
I truly believe other teams exploit our defense’s short comings (see Texas Tech, ISU, Baylor and OSU). Just google “How to beat the Tampa 2 defense”.
I know our linebackers are good, but opposing offenses can always get a guy open. Heck, if I learned anything from the Baylor game, they can get wide open.
by BringBackTopDawg on Dec 4, 2011 12:50 PM CST reply actions
LBs are NOT good
OU’s LBs are not good. Did you watch that game? They were awful last night.
T. Lewis hasn’t played well all year. Wort plays really well at times, but he seems to get hurt every game and has looked pretty hobbled the last couple of weeks. Nelson makes no impact whatsoever — well, except when he’s getting run over by the opposing OL or RBs.
Hey OU JJ, do you think that we could run the Auburn offense effectively?
Put Dom or Millard back with Blake and spread out Kenny, DGB, Reynolds and Metoyer. That seems pretty kick ass to me
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 1:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
DTs are an affront to football
Shipp can get the axe too.
by SCKSChief on Dec 4, 2011 1:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree here too. All you have to do is get a hand on our lbs and they are blocked.
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 1:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Landry stuggled, but game plan was awful
Landry struggled, obviously (he had four or five horrible plays), but the offensive game plan was worse.
There is absolutely no reason to throw the ball 80% of the time (first half) against a defense who cannot stop the run. OSU has not stopped anybody’s run game (with the possible exception of Tech) all year. But they do have a very good secondary. So what’s OU’s plan? Attack OSU’s strength with OU’s soft WRs and sometimes shaky QB! That’ll work!
I think this is why the coaches didnt want to play Blake
They knew it would accelerate the “we hate Landry” talk if we knew Blake was this talented.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 1:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That better not be the case
That says they are not playing the best players. A fireable offense.
by SCKSChief on Dec 4, 2011 2:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It's going to be interesting
To see who transfers. Rumors are swirling that after the bowl game we may be in for some surprises
Yes like who?
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 1:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Drew Allen I bet
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 1:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What about Brandon Williams?
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 1:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Doubt it
He’s the guy after Dom IMO. I guess Drew cause he has been beat out by someone younger and better in Blake. Brandon just has to put in the work and he’ll be the starter next year.
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Allen I think likes his lifestyle
maybe McCay. Clay? hum… Gabe Lynn, but IDK (i am not dogging the guy just trying to think who may not play again even if they stay)
Hammer is going to the pros I hear
Which is stupid, he got overshadowed at his own position this year by his own teammate
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 1:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I just said it because of stoops not playing him last night.
I am ok with a kid not being college material, but i think that its just time to go on
Washington Husky fan here
Sounds like we are going to play each other in the Alamo bowl from all the predictions I am reading. Last year UW faced off against a Nebraska team who had a majorly disappointing end to the season and was able to pull the upset. UW played really well, but it was obvious to all that there was a feeling Nebraska not wanting to be there, that that game meant nothing to the team after the season hopes they had and where they were by the end.
Do you think the same thing can happen this year where Oklahoma just simply doesn’t care or doesn’t get “up” for the game? Personally, I like a Oklahoma match up a lot more than a potential Baylor one at this time.
Depends if we get up for it
And by that I mean “does Blake get a lot of snaps to show the coaches he can handle it and stake a claim to be the starter next year” if Blake plays a lot, we will take you guys down cause Blake will get the team to play for him so he doesn’t have to wait another year to be the starter potentially
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Blake just ran it in from 28 then immediately ran off the field with a look like
“damn that wad easy! Why is Landry such a F up!”
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well...... it was easy & it would have been easy all night long.
Like on some of those 3 & outs….. where it was 3rd & 4. or 3rd & 6.
I've never seen stoops go for it on 4th until he had Blake
He’s gone for it on 4th 3 or 4 times and he was gonna go for 2 against Baylor
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 4, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This right here. Blake plays with a passion and fire Landry has never had. Why do you think they block better with him in there?
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by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 4, 2011 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That could definitely happen
We have no idea which team is going to show up but this team, both offensively and defensively, has become eminently predictable. They had high expectations and going to the Alamo Bowl could be (should be?) a real letdown. Maybe they’ll view it as a chance to save their season or maybe they’ll just check out and look forward to moving on. Who really knows?
I absolutely believe that's possible
At this point I am almost certain of it if the game were to be held next week. But there are several weeks between now and then, so I guess a lot can change; still, I’ll believe this team can pull their head out when I see it.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
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by leatherneck1061 on Dec 4, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty sure the defensive game plan and/or execution is pretty much irrelevant
when your offense goes
punt
punt
interception
punt
punt
fumble
punt
FIELD Goal
Fumble
Fumble
Punt
Punt
Punt
Interception
And the offensive game plan and execution
are irrelevant when the other team’s offense is going through your defense like E. Coli with a side of Salmonella!
Completely agree
Our defense had plenty of problems but wouldn’t have looked so bad if Landry hadn’t been almost single-handedly flushing the game down the crapper. Defense had times where they looked pretty good, and no one expected them to be able to completely shut down the puke offense anyway. Had the offense (read quarterback) been doing their job instead of trying to earn the award for OSU MVP, our defensive performance would have looked on the whole at least as good as last year. But it’s hard to keep fighting to keep your opponent from scoring points when your offense just turns around and scores for them…..makes all your efforts seem utterly futile.
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by leatherneck1061 on Dec 4, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
You absolutely cannot
lay it all on Landry. The game plan was atrocious and, just thinking off the top of my head, I can remember 5 obvious dropped passes — 3 by Miller, 1 by Hanna, and 1 by Stills. There was another by Jaz b/c he didn’t come back toward the ball. Landry did not single-handedly flush the game down the crapper. There were lots of hands in that toilet.
Absolutely correct. It was a total team effort. I think everyone (including the Landry and the OC)
participated pretty much equally in the offensive meltdown. Don’t forget Landry threw a td pass that Jaz gave away to the defender. And Finch moved out of the way of a blitzing lineman and stood, star gazing…and many more…
I am not saying it's all on him
Perhaps I’m using a little overstatement when I use that phrase, but he certainly gave the pukes more points than anyone else on offense. He turned the ball over 4 times. One fumble was practically in the endzone where the pukes scored immediately, and the other was returned all the way back to our 1 yard line. Then there are 2 interceptions that should have been touchdowns for us. I don’t really think it’s all his fault, but you better believe he had more to do with it than any other single person on the team. Read his own words here.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
by leatherneck1061 on Dec 4, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
You're right
I didn’t catch that at first. Certainly makes you wonder.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
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by leatherneck1061 on Dec 4, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but that doesn't usually happen right away
the defense only gave up 10 points in the first half on drives that started in OSU territory and got three stops. Considering the legendary OSU offense, that’s at least giving the offense a chance to play. I’m not saying the D played well, but I’m saying it won’t matter if the Offense plays like that.
What I have been saying since tech.
As bad as the D has played. (yardage wise) the craptastic starts by the offense against tech, mizzou, Baylor even A&M puts the defense in bad spots. That’s being said only down 21 to osu was good. Heck we gave up 31 to tech…..
by OU JJ on Dec 4, 2011 2:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I only have a couple points on this:
1. While I understand your sentiments in telling puke fans to “act like they’ve been there before”, I have to tell you you are totally wasting your breath. They will continue to “rush” the field and destroy their own stadium any time they ever beat big brother, because for them that is Mount Everest, as though they beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
2. I fully agree about the 3 down linemen – have been saying that for a while. Frustrates me to no end, but then it’s just another area where Venables and Stoops have become completely tone deaf. The spread may be difficult to stop, but it starts with stopping the qb up front, a fact I used to think these coaches understood.
3. While I respect your right to give the pukes respect if you choose to, I for one will never give them respect for the same reasons outlined in point #1. Ever. That’s right puke fans, as far as I’m concerned we own your scruffy orange asses until proven otherwise, and one win no matter how impressive ain’t proof enough. Do it a few years in a row and we’ll talk….maybe. You, like Texass, still suck, and if your boys make it to the big dance by some miracle I will be laughing my ass off when you get taken to the woodshed on national television.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
Bump and Run coverage ?????
Whatever happened to bump and run coverage, isn’t disrupting the timing of a offense just as important as making adjustments to offense pounding you ?. We are all correct in saying there needs to be a change maybe not the extreme of dismissing the head coach and some of the other support staff but the DC might be open game. If they cant open up to some new schemes and coverage packages and retire the ROY defense scheme that is as outdated as the player that doesn’t play the game anymore is like me using a 286 computer watching net flix it just doesn’t work anymore.
Good thoughts
However, I don’t think we can apply “might be fair game” to Brent. I think it is more correct to say the DC “is fair game”. That being said, he can only do what Bob will allow within the defensive philosophy. If Bob won’t allow change, then the whole kit-n-kaboodle has to go.

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