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OU Football - A very, very early look at 2012 (Quarterbacks)

Originally, this was something I saw in my head as two individual pieces with one focusing on the offense and one on the defense. Splitting it up by position I think may lose some of what I am trying to do with these, but it will also save you all from having to read multiple 5,000 word manifestos. So don't say I never did anything for you ;)

What we're going to try to do is approach these from a depth chart perspective looking towards next season. Obviously we'll talk about who we see in the two deep, but we'll also look at those players behind them who could also play a role. So as we get this series started, why not start with what is sure to be the most talked about position. The conversation clearly has to start with whether or not Landry Jones decides to come back for his senior season. While there is plenty of speculation out there as to what the decision might be, at this point we don't know anything that can be relied on as accurate. So for the purposes of what we're trying to do here, we'll have to examine both possibilities.

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Assuming Landry comes back . . .

Starter: Landry Jones Backup: Blake Bell

Pretty much a no-brainer here. I know this scenario wouldn't make a lot of OU fans happy as many seem ready for Jones to move on. While I can definitely see where that camp is coming from, I guess I kind of feel like it comes down to what you're expecting from this team next year. If you want that might, and I stress might, have a chance for #8 then I'm not sure how you could want Landry to go. If you think Landry has reached his ceiling in terms of what he's capable of accomplishing here and think another year is just delaying the inevitable then I can understand that as well.

Personally, I'm kind of in between both those. I always want an OU team to win every single game that they can, but I am of the opinion that we've seen what Landry can do and while very good (at times) I don't believe he can get us that crystal football. So for that reason, a part of me is ready to just move on and wants to see if there is someone else on this roster who can be that guy. I also think Jones coming back is pretty detrimental to the development of Blake Bell, which could be a more substantial negative in the long run that the positive of one more season with Landry. We already know Stoops doesn't play his backup QB and with Landry back for his final season it only stands to reason the backup QB would see even less time. Yeah sure, they have the Bell-dozer but that's not a formation that is helping him develop as a passer. Which I'm sure we can all agree is absolutely monumental if he's ever going to be the guy to lead this offense. I could be wrong, but I just feel if Landry did decide to come back that Bell gets about the same amount of playing time he saw this year and to me that's a complete waste of a season for him.

Maybe of a lesser note depending on your feelings for him as a player, but if Landry were to come back I really think that could be the end of Drew Allen in the crimson and cream. I think he'd have a difficult decision to make with respect to his future and if he wanted to go somewhere that he'd have a better chance to play.

I'm not sure it's reason enough alone to want Jones to declare for the NFL, but the delay Jones coming back puts on Bell's development is certainly an argument I can understand.

Assuming Landry goes pro . . .

Starter: Drew Allen Backup: Blake Bell

Didn't expect to see that one did you? Would be interested to know if this scenario would make you more upset than Landy coming back?

I know Bell is the people's choice and would absolutely be my preference in spite of what I think would be some significant growing pains, but I'm not convinced that Stoops and Josh Heupel would be ready to hand over the keys of the offense to Bell. I think they're comfortable with Allen and what he brings to the table. Obviously things could change, say if Allen gets the feel that he won't win the job in the spring and decides to transfer then clearly Bell is the man. What I think would happen under this premise is they are both given equal chance to win the job in the spring/summer. I just kind of have a feeling that Allen would prove the more reliable guy and what I believe we know about these coaches leads me to believe he would be their choice for that reason. I don't think they like the idea of taking chances at QB and would prefer a guy they know they can trust even if he isn't necessarily the more talented player.

The Reserves . . .

Kendal Thompson would be coming off a redshirt year with a true full year in the system having enrolled early last spring. He's a mobile guy like Bell, even more so actually, and he's also a lefty which could throw some teams off if they designed some specific packages to take advantage of his athleticism.

Trevor Knight is the current 2012 QB commit for OU and is very much in the mold of Bell and Thompson. He would almost be guaranteed a redshirt, but is one of the top QBs out of the state of Texas this year and while raw has a bunch of potential.

Wrapping things up, I think things can be summarized like this.

With Landry - I think we know exactly what we get and while I know what I think, I'll leave it up to you to determine whether or not you think that is a good or bad thing. I think with what everyone else in this conference has coming back, it's fair to say OU is the favorite to win the league again.

Without Landry - Maybe a less dangerous pass game, but also possibly makes the coaches focus more on the run game which I don't think would be a bad thing. Even without Jones is it crazy to think we'd still be the favorites to win the Big 12? I mean who else would it be? Maybe TCU? Not Texas, not OSU. So maybe we lose a couple games, still win the conference, don't play for a national title, but get a jump start on the Blake Bell tenure. Actually, I think I'd be cool with that.

What about you?

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I think you are pretty dead on...

I think that another year without throwing Bell in the game, other than the Dozer, will be a huge negative for the kid.

SOONER BORN, SOONER FOREVER..!
BOOMER SOONER..!

by SOONER on Dec 19, 2011 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

We. Will. Not. Win. No 8 in 2012.

To have a chance in 2013 we need evolution of offense now.

by OU JJ on Dec 19, 2011 9:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I've heard

that Bob wants to go with the mobile QB, hence the push for Cam Newton. If this is the case, Landry will not be the guy next year.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

they said the same thing about Wilson

and wanting to go w/ more of the zone read, but we’ve never seen it and I really don’t think that is Heupel’s style. I think they want a guy that can make a play with his legs if he absolutely has to, but always a pass first option.

by Jordan Esco on Dec 19, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

That sucks

pure and simple. If you refuse to utilize the best offensive option in the spread attack (the QB’s legs) then you’re blind or a fool.

RG3 doesn’t even have to run anymore because just the threat of it creates gaping crevasses in zones. I’m seriously getting pissed at this staff right now.

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Like the sands through the hourglass...

Its time for us to move on..
I know that Landry gives us a good shot at winning more games, but we need to look to the future and that is with somebody else slinging the ball.

Football, in its purest form, remains a physical fight. As in any fight, if you don't want to fight, it's impossible to win." Bud Wilkinson

by SteveOKC on Dec 19, 2011 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

Following the 2009 loss to BYU

I thought, and said to my radical fringe Sooner buddies, that OU would never win it all with Landry. I was convinced immediately that Landry simply didn’t have “it”. I’m still convinced – I challenge anyone to compare Landry’s 2009 performance in Lincoln to his 2011 performance in Stillwater, and persuade me that Landry has improved significantly (or at all) in dealing with adversity. Regardless, the so-called experts continue to say Landry is a first round pick for the NFL. That being said, and unless the experts are wrong, it’s hard to imagine that OU has a first round choice that so many want to run out the door. I can’t bring myself to say OU would be better off without him. If he goes, I wish him well and if he returns I wish to see only Good Landry, he is very good.

by OUHoopitup on Dec 19, 2011 9:29 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Completely agree.

Don’t know if Landry has trust issues or what. But he has not improved from bedlam of last November to this November period. I think he is a nice guy & a nice qb. The kind that gives you a couple of serviceable years. Not 4. He does not have “it”, nor does he demonstrate sideline leadership of a champion. No matter who you compare to….

by OU JJ on Dec 19, 2011 9:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree on Landry not being a QB that OU can win it with

I think Landry is a very good QB. He is in the top 10 of QB’s in the nation out of 120 or so of them. And I think he’s quite good enough to win a National Championship with.

However, I agree I don’t think he has “it”. He’s NOT the type of QB that can win a NC by himself. He’s not going to carry a team for long periods (though certainly can for short period or against lessor teams) by himself. He needs a better supporting cast. Better running game, better wideouts and most definitely better defense. ……and he’s not going to get those things from OU in 2012

by Redhawk on Dec 19, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

What about the 2010 Big 12 Title game..down 17-0 and led a come back? The second half at Kansas State this year? At Florida Sate?

Not necessarily his advocate but he has played well in some games (hence the bad Landry-good Landry moniker). No one, and I mean NO ONE on these threads nows what it must be like playing against Texass. Maybe with Broyles gone and a season to work with new receivers and a better run you see some improvement in Jones.

"Are you gonna do something or just stand there and bleed?"

by blaster1371 on Dec 19, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

WHaAAA??
No one, and I mean NO ONE on these threads nows what it must be like playing against Texass

I bet your pardon! I do to! The controller shakes a LOT!

by Redhawk on Dec 19, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I would argue the four turnovers forced by the defense

Actually changed the Nebraska game…. Not do much the offense. Although Landry made a spectacular play on 3rd & 67… Or whatever it was

by OU JJ on Dec 19, 2011 2:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Just does not have "IT"

I just do not see him as a true leader.. I’ve never seen him trying to rally the troops or anything of the sort. Watched the Stanford/USC game, and Andrew Luck was getting the offense pumped up and telling them they could come back..I’ve never seen any shots or motivational talks from him.. The “Walk softly and carry a big stick” approach only works when you actually swing the big stick… I’ve yet to see him come through in a clutch…

Football, in its purest form, remains a physical fight. As in any fight, if you don't want to fight, it's impossible to win." Bud Wilkinson

by SteveOKC on Dec 19, 2011 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

Disagree

I watched the Florida State game again Saturday night and he was going up and down the bench talking guys up. He may have not been as animated as Luck but he got on guys several times for missing blocks or dropping passes. Face it, Miller sucks as a WR and Stills is way too hot and cold. You have to think that after several times of getting on to guys and THEY dont improve you kind of wonder whats the use. Besides with Travis Lewis on the sideline who else gets a chance to talk?

"Are you gonna do something or just stand there and bleed?"

by blaster1371 on Dec 19, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Allen and Bell

Could split snaps, but I think Bell could win the job in the spring. And if he doesn’t, Allen is still good. I honestly think we can go 12-0 next year and maybe we get a NC berth. Do we really want Landry going up against a defense like LSU’s?

by soonercowboy14 on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

This Haney character

I don’t know if I like him or not. Pieces like this don’t set him up as a guy that sees a lot in the game of football.

http://newsok.com/ou-football-landry-jones-draft-stock-will-improve-by-returning-in-2012/article/3633181

by SCKSChief on Dec 19, 2011 3:09 PM CST reply actions  

Haney is stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid

Last word about Haney, he has the entitlement attitude.

No TD’s passes by HFJ the last 3 games? Think about this, when was the last time HFJ threw a TD pass from deep in the RZ, when was the last time an RB ran for a TD deep in the RZ. Thus the reason for the Belldozer. If it was not for the Belldozer OU doesn’t score any of those TD’s.

If you know those answers the you know that Jone has to go! and haney is pure hack and know nothing about CFB.

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Dec 20, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I just don't get how

he can honestly say that no TDs in three games aren’t the fault of Landry. Does he even watch football? Have there been drops, you dang betcha. Has Landry been wildly off (for the most part) since Broyles went down, check. Sure, Haney. It ain’t all Landry’s fault, but his role cannot be lost in all this epic collapse.

by SCKSChief on Dec 20, 2011 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Allen needs to spend some time with Heupel

Changing his Tebow style wind up. Not sure why, but I hate that wind up, dropping the arm down by your hips, then moving your arm in a circular motion up and over the body. It’s a fumble waiting to happen on a sack, and it also gives DB’s ample time to react to where you’re going to throw the ball. The fix seems simple to me, your arm goes straight back from your chest into launch position, then straight forward through your throwing motion.

I guess Tempe will have to work.

by KratosWasASooner on Dec 19, 2011 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

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