The Winds Of Change And What They Could Bring To OU Football
There's one undeniable fact about the state of Oklahoma...its windy! Seldom does a day go by without the "wind sweeping down the plains" and some times it blows with enough velocity that it changes the landscape. This is what's currently taking place with OU football. Be it ever so subtle or the violent force of an F5 tornado the winds of change have got to sweep through the football facilities in Norman...metaphorically speaking.
Coaching Staff - Despite the fact that there has been no coaching changes (or even a hint of one) the rumors are still flying. Obviously Mike Stoops is a player but how much of one we do not know. If you listen to the rumor mill then he's already purchased a home somewhere around Norman. I would say that every day that passes without him taking a job at an Ohio State or Nebraska is a good day for his chances of landing back on the Oklahoma coaching staff. The question though is, who drops from the staff to add him? Unless Brent Venables takes a job somewhere else, again less likely with each passing day, he's going to remain on the coaching staff. That makes defensive backs coach Willie Martinez the most likely to be the goat if Mike Stoops is to return. Mike has a history in coaching the secondary and would be able to co-exist with Venables as he has a history there as well. Martinez has no history with Bob Stoops at all other than his two years served in Norman. Look for that to possibly be the in for Mike Stoops if he's going to come back.
Offensively it became obvious that Josh Heupel still has some learning to in both game planning and play calling. His job is still safe but that doesn't stop the rumor mill at all. Mark Mangino is still floating around and has a history with the program. They may have hated him at Kansas but he was loved at OU and could certainly help put an offensive game plan together as well as have an influence on the play calling.. Again the problem becomes one of who would leave to create a space for him. The most likely candidates would gave to be Bruce Kittle or James Patton. In my opinion this is a much bigger stretch than Mike Stoops.
Philosophy - More and more fans are embracing the possibility that there will be absolutely no changes to the coaching staff at all. To be honest, that becomes a greater possibility every day. However, if the staff remains the same you can almost guarantee the offensive and defensive philosophies won't.
Kevin Wilson mastered the spread offensive attack at Oklahoma in 2008 with Sam Bradford and since then the Sooners have been trying to reinvent the wheel. Opposing defenses have caught on and have made the spread attack less effective. Topping it off the Sooner offense has lost balance which makes it just a touch easier for a defense that can be physical with OU's receivers and bring pressure on the quarterback.
Oklahoma ran the ball from a spread attack with Quentin Griffin and did it almost to perfection. They ran from the I-Formation with dominance with Adrian Peterson while Jason White threw the ball all over the field. DeMarco Murray and Chris Brown each ran for over 1,000 yards in 2008 while Sam Bradford was setting records (along with the rest of the Sooner offense) on his way to a Heisman. So why can't/won't the Sooners run the ball now?
The offense has lost the ability to be physical and powerful. Its painfully obvious that they've become finesse and philosophy has more to do with it than anything else. Look for that to change.
On the defensive side of the ball its the same thing. Intensity, nattiness and just being downright mean aren't there. Oklahoma has sold out for speed and they've lost the power. A three man front means that on most occasions pressure can only get into the backfield if there is a blitz. What happened to the days of Torrance Marshall telling Chris Weinke that he was going to hurt him at the coin toss and then bringing the pain throughout the game? What happened to receivers being afraid to catch the ball across the middle out of fear that Roy Williams would separate their head from their body?
The progression of the spread offense has brought about the necessity of hybrid linebackers/safeties but, as with the offense, it doesn't mean that is what they have to be limited to. Especially when the safeties continually struggle with the play-action. With or without Mike Stoops on board this spring will tell us a lot in regards to what the Sooners will do to shore up the defensive shortcomings that have plagued them. It has to start with the philosophy!
On Field Personnel - This team is going to look different on the field next year. There are several players in the wings who have been waiting to burst out in key roles. There will be new faces that come in the form of true freshmen and JUCO transfers that will make immediate impacts. Exactly who and where these new faces will be appearing remains to be seen but the key to success won't be in talent as much as it is in chemistry. The 2011 Sooners had all the talent to make a championship run but the chemistry wasn't there and ultimately led to the downfall.
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I think Kittle stays.
He seems to be loved by the guys he’s recruiting. Mangina is probably a no-go although, if he does come back, I’m almost positive it would be Patton that he would replace. I would love to give Martinez more time, but I’m pretty sure I would love it more if Mike was in charge. I’m not sure why all of these philosopies changed in the first place, but as long as we learn from our HUGE mistakes, I guess all is well…hopefully we remember: IF IT AINT BROKE…
"Have you ever tried to count the stars? I have, there's like a hundred of 'em" - Mark from Roseanne
Venables
Saw Venables get off an plane in Tampa Wednesday night, probably recruiting but you never know.
need to fix it, because it is broke
We need the defenses that can shut down teams, like we used to have. Less finesse and more power in the offense and defense. Defense wins Championships not Big 12 but National. Look at LSU and Alabama solid defenses. D-Linemen we are in a great need.
I didn't mean it isn't broke NOW...
What I meant was, the philosophies shouldn’t have changed in the first place because they seemed to be working quite well.
"Have you ever tried to count the stars? I have, there's like a hundred of 'em" - Mark from Roseanne
by ToatsMcGoats on Dec 17, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Why do you expect change?
What has given you any indication they would make a change in philosophy? I haven’t seen Stoops or anyone else on the staff make any comments to that end… They didn’t replace/remove any staff… What makes you think they even know there is a problem?
by AnthrSoonerChamp on Dec 17, 2011 10:39 AM CST reply actions
I like Martinez
but Stoops is much more of an upgrade. I’ve never thought about Mangino, but I’d like to see him coach here. I hate the spread now. We don’t really have the players to use it. The I formation sounds like a much better plan, and all that running the ball would open up the passing game.
by soonercowboy14 on Dec 17, 2011 11:07 AM CST reply actions
Hopefully these are hurricane force winds that are bringing change.
Love the crimson and cream
by ohiosoonerbaby on Dec 17, 2011 11:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions
What on earth
However, if the staff remains the same you can almost guarantee the offensive and defensive philosophies won’t.
Leads you to believe this to be true or anywhere near accurate???
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Change in recruiting strategy? Going after bigger RBs. Also, not being quite as pessimistic as you. I think you underestimate Stoops. The guy makes a lot of money, but if you think he doesn’t want to win, you are crazy. That, plus the fact he isn’t a complete idiot would lead me to believe that some things will change. He sees that things aren’t working right now. Therefore he will change things to try and make them work better so that he can win. Seems pretty simple. It seems bringing in the Belldozer showed a desire to play more physically on offense. If Stoops doesn’t come out of the OSU game seeing just how important that is, then I will agree with you and believe that Stoops has no clue. However, I prefer to believe that he is shaking things up. Players leaving because they don’t like it seems a good and necessary thing, like a controlled burn if you will. Combine this with the way recruiting seems to be going and I feel hopeful.
And if things don’t pan out, at least I feel happier now with my hope.
So, nothing but speculation...
That is the same type and size of running back they’ve had sparingly for the past 10 years…
by AnthrSoonerChamp on Dec 17, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
You can call it pessimistic if you'd like
I’d call it 13 years now of watching them do pretty much the exact same thing, seeing the results of exactly that starting to show w/ teams catching on to what they do, while watching it fail miserably this year, and doing essentially nothing to change.
I’d strongly disagree with the words you’ve put in my mouth that I “underestimate Stoops.” I do not nor have I ever. What I am doing is forming an opinion, based on his entire history in Norman, that the man is incredibly stubborn and has shown little desire to change anything that they do on defense.
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Which is it?
I would say that every day that passes without him taking a job at an Ohio State or Nebraska is a good day for his chances of landing back on the Oklahoma coaching staff.
More and more fans are embracing the possibility that there will be absolutely no changes to the coaching staff at all. To be honest, that becomes a greater possibility every day.
OU can't/won't run the ball? Yeah right
I’m sorry, but what were Whaley and Bell doing? Twiddling their thumbs? We lost our top RB, of course the run game suffered. This is a spread offense that is one of the best in the nation. The problem is that where as Sam ran it to perfection cause he’s SAM, Landry screws up. Bell! Bell! Bell! Bell! Get rid of HPF
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 17, 2011 1:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
*HFJ
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 17, 2011 1:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Landry is bettered by the players around him.
The great ones make those players better. Sam made manny & joaquin & Quentin Chaney & malcolm Kelly better.
by OU JJ on Dec 17, 2011 9:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
this damn it THIS
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
by scarab on Dec 17, 2011 9:50 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I like the Venables system (blitzes) but we need Coach M Stoops to make it consistent
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by King Sam Rules! on Dec 17, 2011 1:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I just hope something changes
It doesn’t even have to be a coach getting let go. As long as they make changes in the scheme on D and heuple gets the offense to something that even closely resembles a balanced more physical attack.
"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra
This team is going to look different on the field next year. There are several players in the wings who have been waiting to burst out in key roles
OR…It could be said:
This team has a bunch of people leaving, and their back-ups never had to shower after a football game, and have no experience playing major college football.
Oh well..... I am both glad & sad to see this year end. Finally.
I hope Stanford kicks the poo out of OSU. We destroy Iowa & have players staying who actually are hungry & realize what they pi$$ed away.
It seems like forever ago we had nolelaw saying we couldn’t handle the heat or their future 42 guaranteed first round nfl stars. Or the aggies talking about their run to the title game….
Speaking of, I hope lesturd makes saban a mere mortal.
I pray daily for Stanford todo exactly that
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
by scarab on Dec 17, 2011 9:54 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Stoops been consistent and adamant about saying
we are not running a spread offense…
Change?
I really don’t think there will be any measurable change happening in the O or D as long as the personnel stay the same. The Sooners had more talent on this years team than we’ve had in a long time, it was the coaching that was subpar. Venables is the problem on defense… that rediculous 3 man front that has not stopped a mobile qb in 10 years, our secondary consistantly being burned by the deep across the middle pass, the lack of any pressure on punt coverage, blitzes that are so obvious, and lack of nastiness in the attitude of the defense… it all comes around to Venables lack of ability to be a defensive coordinator.
On offense, again the problem is in the coaching. Heuple is in way over his head. He lacks imagination. He is a great qb’s coach but is not OC material.
I think that Landry Jones deer in the headlights look at the first hint of pressure and his constant bad decisions should have had him benched several times the past couple of years. His backups need to be put in the game until he settles down, they need the experience. The depth chart shows Allen as the number 2 man, but other than a few touches early in the season, I don’t remember him even coming into a game since the texass weekend. Again this is a coaching decision that wasn’t made.
Stoops gets paid a rediculous amount of money. I am beginning to wonder if he has lost his hunger… his “get by” attitude is not what “Play Like a Champion” is supposed to be. The team lacks that “wanna win” attitude, they are not prepared for games properly, they did not play four quarters in one game all season and there is no adjustments made at half time to counter what is happening on the field. OU was out coached in all three losses this year. Texas Tech and Baylor were both VERY inferior teams to OU’s, but their coaches had their teams prep’d and ready to play. OSU was almost as talented as OU this year and the difference in the game was attitude… the cowboys wanted to win, OU only wanted to get back into the locker room… again coaching was the difference.
Agree but Disagree
I agree with you for the most part minus a couple of parts. Many people are hard on Brent Venables this year obviously because of what happened this season but let’s not get too desperate for a change here. Mike Stoops definitely brought attitude and swagger to our defense when he was at OU but he also had his bad games just like Venables. If you look at both Venables and Stoops’ records when they were here, they are pretty similar. Stoops had a 55-11 record in 5 seasons as the defensive coordinator while Venables currently has a 87-23 record in 8 seasons. Let’s just say Brent knows how to get it done in the “win” column just like Mike does. The case in which we would need a coaching change is not a matter of coaching but to bring the attitude back onto the staff which will rub off on the players which I think Mike would do. I think Bob and his coaching staff has gotten lazy and cocky and has lost the edge he once had. I believe the problem this year started by bringing in ESPN in the preseason which got all of our players cocky and feeling invincible. Our coaching staff knows how to recruit talent and currently has a talented team that I believe can win a National Championship. The cockiness and rockstar attitudes of the players needs to go and the players need to their egotistical attitudes at the door and remember and know what it means to put on an Oklahoma jersey.
As far as the Landry Jones issues goes, I still firmly believe he is the best quarterback on our roster. He is capable of making tough throws, throwing on the run, and he is accurate. Yes, he struggles tremendously under pressure but that is something that he can continue working on in the off-season. Putting Blake Bell in or Drew Allen would do no good. Blake Bell is very capable of becoming the next star leading our offense, but right now he is not a good decision-maker and the very few times he has passed the ball this year have resulted in interceptions. I expect him to take over after Landry following the 2012 season but would not be surprised to see a QB battle THIS offseason. Drew Allen reminds me of Joey Hazle, just not ready.
Very good points made in your comment about Stoops hunger to win but I believe that it is a mix of a lack of determination of the players and the coaches and I expect to see changes made in the offseson. I would not be surprised to see no coaching changes made, however, if this is the case, coaching philosophy MUST change.

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