OU vs. A&M - Offensive & Defensive recap/musings
I'll warn you all right up front, this probably isn't going to be a recap in the traditional sense of the word. It's likely going to come off as more of a non-sensical rant with very little direction, but that's just where I'm at with this team right now. What we really need are CC and O^3 who tend to be more positive in moments such as these compared to my general pessimistic attitude. Unfortunately for you all, they are still out of the country so you have to deal with me. Though I would encourage anyone out there who has another view of things to put together a Fan Post and have your voice be heard. Until then, you've just got me so here we go.
Before we get into the offensive and defensive side of things, at least one thing I think you'll all agree with has to be said. It's probably the only thing I'm going to say that you agree with so I'm going to start with it. I have never had a more empty feeling after an OU victory in my entire life. It was a win, but no win has ever felt more like a loss (at least in my time as an OU fan) than yesterday. The morning after, nothing has changed that. Knowing what kind of person Ryan Broyles is it came as no surprise, but it has helped a little to see how positive he is about dealing with the injury.
Unrelated to that, this was the ninth game this Oklahoma team has played and the ninth time they've yet to play a full four quarters. I think there is a strong argument to be made that offensively they played one of the four quarters. While the final stats may not look like it, I think the defense played pretty well. They played three of the four quarters and while that fourth left me with a bad taste in my mouth, it shouldn't negate the fact that they essentially took away the A&M run game which going in wasn't something I thought they could do. All that said, I may be alone but I can't help but question why this deep into the season this team has still yet to play a full game? Coaches, players, both, whoever you want to put it on there is no arguing that is still a fact.
Offense
* Ryan Broyles is irreplaceable. Thank you Captain Obvious you're probably saying. I know, I know, not exactly breaking news, but it still has to be said. Maybe his production can be replaced by a couple other guys, eventually, but that's not what worries me. What worries me is the innate ability he has that no other WR on this roster possesses. What worries me is the security he provided Landry Jones and how Landry has not shown to have that with any other WR. What worries me is the attention he demanded from opposing defenses and how much that opened things up not just for the other WRs and TEs, but for this offense as a whole. Yeah that last one was going to happen eventually, obviously we all knew that but no one was ready for that day to come yesterday. The simple fact of it is we lost the best WR in the country and the best WR in the illustrious history of this program. You just can't replace that.
* You can use the wind as an excuse like so many others have already done, but what I saw was another game in which Landry Jones was "off." He was about as inaccurate in the first half as any game in his entire career and it played a major role in this offense being out of sync.
* What in the bleep is Josh Heupel trying to do with our run game?!? Roy Finch is an incredibly talented and explosive player, but there is no getting around his size and the physical demands the position he plays requires. There is also no denying he hasn't exactly been the most durable guy through his first two (almost) years. So can somebody please help me understand why he got 30 touches in this game yesterday? He clearly earned them with his play, but that's not the point. What is the point is that we (yeah, we. deal with it.) were up by 31 points with the game clearly in hand and Bob Stoops continues to run him out there to take unnecessary punishment. What is the point of running a 5'6" 170 pound guy into a front seven that all know the run is coming? Why can't Brennan Clay or Brandon Williams or Trey Millard be taking those hits? Why do each of those guys all have one freaking carry in this game?!? Call it second guessing or whatever you like, but this is a stupid and incredibly short sighted decision by these coaches.
* Okay, sorry but I can't let this Brandon Williams thing go that easily. What in the hell are they doing with this kid??? Why burn his shirt for this?!? One carry for one yard, really? That's the chance you give him in this game? Is it the goal of this staff to never, ever develop a backup to be ready to play instead of forcing them into action with little to no experience? Because if so they continue to do a great job of it. To this point, in my opinion, this kid has gained absolutely nothing from the way the coaches have misused him this year. Again, yesterday with a 31 point lead why in the hell is this kind not in the game? If the fumbles again then fine, take him out. But to give him one freaking carry in this game is a joke.
* I'm as big a fan of Blake Bell finally playing a role on this team as anyone, but the 'Bell-dozer' leads me to what I feel is a fairly obvious question. Which is why can this team line up and get the tough yards seemingly so easily in that package and yet continually fail so miserably in the same situations with their "normal" run game? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they're finally doing something that is working but it is baffling to me why our o-line can line up in that formation and hit all their assignments and can't do so other times.
Also related to the whole Bell thing another point I can't get away from. I'll admit up front this is nitpicking, for now anyway, and I know this. But is this whole 'Bell-dozer' thing stunting his development as a QB? Does anybody here actually think Stoops would ever employ an offense like say, K-State? Yeah, me neither. So if you put Bell in there and all he does is run the ball, how is that developing him to be your QB of the future? I'm sure they're doing that in practice, but we all know you can only gain so much through practice. Also if he throwing out of that package was working better in practice don't you think they'd trust him to do it more in an actual game? I know there are plenty of us here, I'm one of them, that have our issues with Landry but can any of us honestly say we're ready for Bell to take over?
* Jaz Reynolds continued development is as impressive as it was unexpected. It will be interesting to see how much that continues with Broyles out, but up to this point he has proven to be a very reliable target. He seems to have developed a chemistry with Landry and looks to be a guy he can trust when we need a big throw. Hopefully that just continues to progress as it will be very much needed now.
Defense
* I said it earlier, but the final stats don't really do justice to how well this defense played (at least through three quarters). 500+ yards, almost 400 passing, and a 5.1 avg. per rush against will never look good on paper, but the four turnovers forced played a much bigger role in this game than those other stats did. Why they chose to lay down in that 4th quarter I'll never really understand, but I guess that's just me being a jerk fan. I know Bob and Brent would tell me those points and yards don't matter, but again I'm just an a-hole fan who hates to see our defense go into Pre-Venables mode and give that crap up after playing so well for three quarters. Clearly they don't care and I guess I care too much, but just as they're fine with not caring I'm fine with caring too much.
* For what I'm assuming is the first time all year, the OU defense failed to record a sack. However I don't think that automatically equates to this front four playing a poor game. While they clearly struggled against a quality A&M o-line and never got consistent pressure on Tannehill, they did have an impact on the game. One question, have you ever seen a defensive line get more deflections in your life? And I don't just mean in this game, but over the course of this entire season. Ronnell Lewis' INT was clearly a result of another deflection, but that knocked down several other Tannehill passes throughout the game as well.
* Jamell Fleming was clearly missed. He made his presence known early and often and is obviously a key cog in this defense. His presence in defending the run is something that just can't be replaced. He had another huge strip that directly led to OU points. It was good to have him back out there after missing last week's game, man the miracle of modern medicine huh?
* I love Travis Lewis as much as any OU fan, but he's not the difference maker on this defense anymore and I can't tell you how weird it was to actually type that. However this defense just isn't the same when Tom Wort isn't in there. Wort's not perfect (who really is?), but in my non-expert opinion this is a different defense when he is on the field. He was sorely missed once he went down and is clearly one of several vitally important players who needs this bye week as much as anyone. There is no doubting we will need him at full strength if we have want to win out.
* WTF was the deal with Tony Jefferson not playing in this game?!? He doesn't play a snap on defense (I know you said you saw him JJ, but I did not), but you put him out there on your "hands" team for the onside kick? Really? Stoops said in his post game that they just felt Joseph Ibiloye fit better for what A&M did on offense and that it didn't have anything to do with injury. I'm not sure how you deem A&M more of a power run team that justifies playing Ibby more (or the entire game) than you do K-State who virtually does nothing else. My opinion on Stoops' post game comments, it was a bold faced lie. No disrespect to Ibiloye, but Jefferson is one of the best players on this defense and unless he physically can't go what A&M is trying to do on offense doesn't mean jack bleep. Jefferson is on the field, every game, no questions asked. Stoops is either a liar and Jefferson is hurt or the coaches made a conscious decision not to play one of their best defensive players. Either way a lose/lose for OU fans IMO.
I'm sure there is more, but you're probably tired of my ranting. The only other thing that can be said at this point is thank god for the bye week. I'm not sure there has been another team in OU history that needed it more than this one.
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Good stuff
But, of course you knew I’d agree with you.
Bell has to throw out of that package and they have to run more backside runs out of it. Williams HAS to get more touches.
I’m very frustrated today too…and really bummed about Broyles. This team must get thier collective s&$% together…soon.
by SCKSChief on Nov 6, 2011 11:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Why do the coaches continue to play starters with a 31 point lead when we had guys dropping like flies? You might as well start grooming Bell and Williams with a lead that big. I know its garbage time but its game experience and that is something you can’t teach. Come on Bob put your ignorance aside and give our 2s a chance.
Love the crimson and cream
This is my only real complaint of the game
we’re up by 31….the back ups should be allowed to run our full offense. They are only one play away from being starters, as was proven in this game.
I have grown weary of complaining about this
and must try to accept that stoops will NEVER do what seems logical about playing backups with a big lead. his luck will run out one day when a starter gets hurt late in a game they are leading by a big margin. i just hope i’m wrong or not watching when it/if it happens
Team FIRST, Effort SECOND, Talent THIRD, Selfish NEVER
Stoops needs a blowout score to impress pollsters and get back in the BCSCG race
As for it costing you a starter, is that a joke? What just happened?
by Beergut on Nov 7, 2011 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Let the other guys play so you know what you have in case something does happen (i.e. Broyles). And I know we are blessed at receiver but what if Fleming went down and Hurst got banged up in the same game? We would be screwed. See what kind of depth and talent you really have with big leads.
Love the crimson and cream
Commentary on OU offense
I read your comments on the OU offense and would ,Ike to respond before reading about the D. Totally agree with the Finch situation. If he was gaining 160 yards a game then run him and run him often. But he is not doing that. I still think Clay has something to contribute. He’s not flashy, not killer quick, very Chris Brown-like in that regards yet unproven to be as productive. I think he might do better lined up in a pro set, diamond or I set; gives him a lead blocker to follow and read his lanes. I never have liked the single back set; it’s very easy to defend as their are fewer keys to read. Bottom line: get some plays together for Clay or Finch will surely be pummeled and Clay transfers. Williams has to be played. He is most likely to break off that 50 yard run we have only seen once this year.he is only going to get better through live action and by developing a sense that he has a role on this team. I mean can you imagine this kid out in the flat on a wheel route or running a counter play? He has skills, use them? I don’t think how Bell is being used will hurt him at all. If anything he will get better from it. Buy in is critical, he’s having fun, contributing, gaining confidence all which are very good things. Earlier this year several fans posted concern he might transfer; not going to happen now. I agree he needs to play more when the game is in hand and run the offense to further his development but he has been the answer to a probl,em we’ve been lamenting for three years! Broyle’s injury will challenge Heupel too, and it’s about time! The o-line will have to step up to give Jones time to make ALL his reads as before when pressured al, he pretty much had o do was thow in Broyle’s direction. The depth at RB and WR will truly be interesting to follow the next four games ( I’m including a bowl game) as one would think more players will be called on to contribute and not just the same players being asked to give more. Surprised no comment on Stills. I don’t like to question a players toughness but he is starting to come off as a drama queen. That lad needs to bring it every play!
I agree on Stills. He gives up a lot on plays and whines when the throw isn’t perfect to him. And if the ball isn’t coming his way he is very disinterested in the play.
Love the crimson and cream
I called it during the ku game
Its like watching Malcolm Kelly. TakIng off plays not coming to him.
by OU JJ on Nov 6, 2011 1:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Now, the Defense
Disclaimer: I’m no defensive expert, but it’s my favorite part of football; and yeah I LOVED the lsu- Bama game .
Agree with assessment on T. Lewis. Not great this year but still good. Unfortunately for him the toe injury is preventing him from displaying any improvement in the areas that he needed to work on which usually was in pass defense. Wort is of the typical great OU mold of past OU recent greats (very Bosworth- Calmus like). When he gets better at reading his keys he will only become more of a force. Jayden Bird is going to become the next big surprise, IMO. Like many of you I wear out the dvr Monday thru Friday. I’ve watched him closely. He reminds me a whole lot of James Lofton. He is quicker than he looks and if he gets his mitts on you your going down. He is also dang smart. He is getting better and better at being in position on run plays and seems to be fitting better in pass coverage. Next year he may be best at MLB and move Wort over to Lewis’s spot. Venebles seems to be in love with the freshman who was once with Michigan so that will probably render my comments moot. Ibiloye did fit well against this offense. He is another guy who is the victim of a deep defense. The guy is a stud. Very very much like Clayton. The young man made some very solid p,as this year and last season. You’re right in that there had to be reason other than game plan about why Jefferson was not on the field. Another kid that can change a game. Totally different team with Fleming on the field. Don’t give up on Gabe Lynn. Remember when at one of the Fiesta Bowl debacles Smith was out due to a broken toe? Who took his place and was totally abused? It was either. Brian Jackson or Dominique ______, both whom panned out pretty well. The back up DBs need to get in the game too, and maybe not just in garbage time either with the other back-ups.
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i saw that after I posted. James L was a WR . my bad
Typos
Sorry for the typos- please read thru them. The iPad is not very compatible with my fingers.
Furthermore, to those of you who write the articles for this site and to those of you who comment: thanks! I used to post on the newsok site but most of those folks don’t know squat and the discussions were like listening to junior high kids argue.
IMO, the reason we can gain two yards on every run by Bell is cause he is 6'6", meaning that when he carries the ball and falls forward, he automatically gains two yards
Simple fact. He is white Cam Newton IMO and he is the qb of the future. He will be better than Landry, cause instead of forcing dead duck throws, he can take off and run, just like Cam
Note to Douglas M: Remember that 99% of what I say involves BS
by King Sam Rules! on Nov 6, 2011 12:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
And I highly doubt that Heupel has gone from being able to mold Sam and Landry to the guy who stunts a qb's growth
Just cause we lost Ryan doesn’t mean the coaches have forgot how to coach. Landry didn’t need to be on the field though
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by King Sam Rules! on Nov 6, 2011 1:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
right
I don’t think we’re going to go to a K-State offense when/if Bell takes the reins – it’ll be more of a hybrid between what OU has been doing and Auburn’s offense last year.
by ClarkusKentus on Nov 6, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
i think it will look a LOT like Florida's offense under Meyer
with Tim Tebow at the helm
and that worked out ok
Better arm than Tebow and more accurate
Will be like the Auburn offense with Cam, spread to throw an open up running lanes for the qb
Note to Douglas M: Remember that 99% of what I say involves BS
by King Sam Rules! on Nov 6, 2011 1:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Would love to see that
But Bob will never allow it.
by SCKSChief on Nov 6, 2011 3:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
then why did they bother recruiting Bell?
I thought they also recruited Cam for the same reason – they wanted to move to a running and throwing QB if they could get a good one.
by ClarkusKentus on Nov 6, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
In answer to the point about this team having yet to play a full game
I still maintain my earlier position that this is a team built for the big game. I think they came into this season thinking only about that. It’s the bigger games that they are playing their best, and the biggest one would hopefully bring out their absolute best effort. But after losing our best wide receiver and our starting running back, I’m not sure how viable we still are. All I can say is this season is breaking my heart.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
Then that is on the coaches
Cannot be allowed.
by SCKSChief on Nov 6, 2011 3:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think we see what this team is all about these final games. We have lost 2 of our best offensive weapons. These next few games will show the kind of character and grit this team really has. You find out who you really are in the face of adversity. I hope we can answer the call and I really think we will. Now these final games our for # 12 and Ryan Broyles.
Love the crimson and cream
Broyles definitely
And Whaley has been amazing. But if you were told before the season started that Dominique Whaley would be lost for the season in the 8th game, most people would shrugged.
Not saying losing Whaley’s isn’t bad, but we have other weapons. Same is true at the WR position, although it goes without saying that what Broyles brought to the offense is irreplaceable.
by ClarkusKentus on Nov 6, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Let me get this straight,
1. the coaches can’t coach, they play the wrong players, the guys that play 30 snaps should play less, the guys who play one or two snaps should play more, no matter what the coaches saw in practice during the week.
2.The quarterback is inconsistent and inept, unlike the mistake free qb’s everywhere else. If he is conservative or makes errant throws in a thirty mile an hour wind, he must suck, even if he leads scoring drives and puts the game away in the third quarter.
3.This team has shown they are not championship caliber in spite of battling through injuries to the starting center—who calls the signals for the o-line, the star running back, the middle linebacker, the lead defensive tackler from last year playing not at full speed, the cornerback, one of the main defensive lineman, and an o-lineman or two at various times.
4.In spite of the fact that they continually come out in the second half and make adjustments to counter what the other team has shown in the first half, neither the players nor the coaches have what it takes. They can’t win without Ryan Broyles.
And on top of all that, you want complain that they gave up in the 4th quarter? (They didn’t) Good grief.
If the team and coaches were to believe 1/3 of what’s written here, I’d be surprised if they would even bother to show up for the remaining games.
I’m glad the Sooners that I’m watching are very different from the ones you all are.
+100000000000000000000000000000000000
Don’t forget that coach stoops has never shown to have a clue what he’s doing
Note to Douglas M: Remember that 99% of what I say involves BS
by King Sam Rules! on Nov 6, 2011 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I left out,
5. he number 2 receiver not at full speed, and two extremely talented running backs no longer available, as well as playing without out our number 1 middle linebacker who didn’t even make it to the beginning of the season
In regards to your point in #1
I think the point of getting more RBs to carry the ball other than just Finch is a valid one. I know the whole “you aren’t in practice” retort has some validity, but that is what they said in the oval office in 1963…called group think. Don’t forget that Clay was listed at #1 in preseason, got some carries as a true freshman last season before getting hurt against FSU, and was the starter at the beginning of the season before Whaley took over that position. He has been hurt until just recently. Finch has said he really doesnt have the stamina to run it 30 times a game. There will perhaps come a time when OU has to grind the ball down the field ala FSU game. Would be nice to know what the team has beyond Finch and the glimpses of Millard we have been able to see. As far as Venebles goes, I agree that he has done much better at making adjustments. The defense’s MO a few years back was the team jumped on an opponent early and then gave up alot in the second half. This year seems if you dont get all over OU early then you are kind of screwed.
As far as Jones goes. he is still a very good QB. He does seem to have developed some issues of getting antsy in the pocket as of late and for no real apparent reason. Like to see him settle down like he did against Texas and last year against Nebraska. I think we are seeing and noticing the reasons why he should come back for another year at OU. Please? Come on back?
No it's not "group think,"
Stoops said before the game that Finch was good for 25 carries. I think he had 26, and he was the right man for the job. I can just hear the whining if he only carries 10 times a game and then is needed for more in “the big one” and doesn’t have the stamina for it. “why didn’t the coaches give him more carries when they had the chance…”
Jones is better than “a very good qb.” Maybe way better. Is he perfect? no. Does he have all the strengths of every top qb in the country rolled into one? no. But he does have plenty of strengths and he’s playing as good or better than any of the qb’s on top ranked teams at this point, in some ways including the vaunted Luck. Would you rather have McCarron, or Jarrett Lee, or Jefferson, or even Weeden? I don’t think so.
You said it
Stoops is part of that “group”. All I’m saying is OU would be better off getting another RB reps. But if you think Finch is good for 25 carries, not plays, for several games in a row then I have to disagree. He has not had to play more than three games in a row going back to last year. He has proven to not be durable. 15 or so carries a game may keep enough gas in the tank for those explosive runs he is capable of ala Percy Harvin
calling Jones a very good QB is a compliment. What’s better than very good? Great? Not ready to call him that.
"Are you gonna do something or just stand there and bleed?"
I agree with most of what you say
in that we do tend to be far to critical and expect constant perfection from kids who are not even professionals. Jones is one of the best in CFB without question although he does tend to turn the ball over more than average. As for Broyles, I will say that while we will still compete at a high level without him, one doesn’t lose a player of that caliber and it not have an effect when you’re playing against championship caliber teams in the NC. Bob Stoops is one of the best coaches in CFB, particularly in areas of recruiting and player development, but after the amount of flops we have had against overmatched opponents over the years, I think questions about how well he and his staff are preparing these players mentally before games are fair.
You are right that the criticisms leveled at this team often go too far, but I think with your use of strawman arguments you marginalize legitimate criticisms that probably ought to be answered.
"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin
by leatherneck1061 on Nov 6, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
On a positive note :-)
I have noticed the o-line opening some very nice drive-a-truck-through-it holes on several occasions in the past few games. Seems like it’s happening with much more consistency and, while I’m sad that Whaley is not around to take advantage of it, Bell and Finch (and Millard) seem to be the beneficiaries. If that keeps up, I see some room for optimism, considering the quality of the defenses that they are doing it against.
Bell and Millard , Finch............................NO
Roy Finch coujldn’t find a hole if we put h^&$ around it or placed a Billboard with an arrow pointing to it.
I really like what the kid brings to the team but starting tailback is not it. The redzone back is not it. Do you want to really know why Bell is successful running a play that is so obvious on the goal line? Watch his second TD from last night. The man takes to the time to watch where the real hole is opening up and hits it full speed. Result = TD. Watch Finch, what does he do, runs up the back of his blockers. Result = 2 yd loss. Finch either does not read what the line is doing or is bad at figuring out what to do it the blocks are not exactly as drawn up in the play book.
We have been missing Dom Whaley’s power the minute he went down. He made OU a balanced attack. With Broyles lost for the season, Mr. Happy Feet needs to figure something out. I don’t know what it is he needs to figure out but his balanced attack is gone and hos safety blanket is gone as swell. I say it is time for Happy Feet to Man the eFF Up and grow a pair.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Calhoun and Miller
Totally unrelated, but why would Miller and Calhoun not finish the season before declaring their transfer? Seems like a wasted year of eligibility.
"Are you gonna do something or just stand there and bleed?"
Of course, we have no idea
what all the considerations were that went into their decisions, but one has to wonder whether they are wishing maybe they hadn’t been so hasty at this point.
Totally
For every Tashard Choice, there’s a Tommy Grady. (different positions, but you get my meaning, right?)
by ClarkusKentus on Nov 6, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
TJ on the field immediately after ibiloye got banged around. I am positive.
I disagree with the whole Finch deal. Ginna call BS on our staff too. So 4 weeks ago he wasn’t durable enough. Now he gets 30 carries or whatever. I get it, he’s the primary weapon, but yeah give the ball to Millardnat least. Or let franks do the jet sweeps.
Also Landry has been out of sync since texass period. Last week, sure lots of yards, but played sloppy. He is being bailed out by receivers. Including, Dajuan in the very back of th end zone last week.
And I think everyone was shell shocked with Broyles. Every one…..
You were right about Jefferson
I saw it today when I watched the replay. Still, at the most is was one or two snaps and he was right back on the bench.
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My guess would be that Jefferson
is banged up and Stoops was playing it conservatively on that issue, as he often does if he can get away with it. And get away with it, he did. Don’t forget that we blew to a 31 point lead and had the game salted away in the bag by the end of the 3rd quarter. If we can do that, and Stoops wants to give a backup some quality time during important minutes, what’s wrong with that?
forgot to add,
that maybe, just maybe, he was in fact doing what he said, which was playing the guy he thought was right for the situation. In any event, I think we trailed in the game for less than 3 minutes, very early in the first q, and then never gave up the lead. So, either way, seems like he knew what he was doing.
Also would like to throw out this : Jaz & Landry had that connection in his freshman year.
Tons of big catches the last 4 weeks of season & the sun bowl. How quickly it’s forgotten….
I do REALLY think that the wind altered a lot of play calls. I also think its KILLING Landry to have Heupel in the booth. Someone has got to settle him the heck DOWN, mentally & physically.
I've wondered about this
Heupel used to run to Landry in some of the worst situations during his freshman and sophomore campaigns. It’s a long walk for Heupel to the sideline now. Wonder what sort of effect this has had.
by ClarkusKentus on Nov 6, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
One effect is that he's
broken or will break just about every passing record available, and has only lost one game (whether much of the blame can be placed at his feet on that is certainly debatable,) and may very well lead this team to another championship season.
Spare me. He has also played in more games than any other QB who held those records. Think about it.
Heupel 2 years. White 2 years & 2 games. Bradford 2 years and then 2 qrtrs against BYU & 1 drive against texass. It’s not hard when you have played in 8 more games already than those guys running basically the same offenses, to a point.
Look, I am not really bashing Landry, just calling it as I see it.
You don't need sparing,
of course, he’s played in more games so the records can’t be compared. The defenses have also had time to catch up to the style of offense. When Heupel played it was a bit like the early days of the wishbone, the defenders were somewhat clueless. Not to say he wasn’t great. He was fabulous.
The point is Landry is doing very well, and to imply otherwise or that there is something fatally wrong with what he’s doing is not giving him his due (or the coaches). I truly think he is more settled and calm in the games this year than he was previously, by far. Not even close.
I would hope he would be better than he was a freshman.
But he clearly has some issues which are consistently there, which have not changed.
Ok, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
I don’t disagree that there are some issues. But I think in all departments he has improved substantially over how he was in the past, and I think the issues, although they drive me crazy, too, pale in comparison to the value he brings to this team.
:-) and at,east he's not 30 making those bad decisions & dancing around
((((cough cough))) yes, that’s at you Weeden. I hope he brings his happy feet to bedlam
oops, now you're talking sense:-)
I also gotta point out, to be fair, that some of his records are single game performances which can, i guess, be compared with the greats of yore.
I think you make a fair point
I just wonder how much better things could be if Landry had Heupel on the sideline to talk him down when he’s feeling off. And who knows? Maybe Heupel chats with him on the sideline phone.
by ClarkusKentus on Nov 7, 2011 6:14 AM CST up reply actions
How's it killing him?
I see a guy who’s playing a lot better than you’re giving him credit for. Considering where he started, he’s very settled down from what I see. I also see an offense that is more varied that a lot of people on here seem to think. I also see a third string qb who’s getting lots of quality time on the field in serious situations, not just garbage time. I also see a team that came out after criticisms of not generating take-aways and created 4. I’m not convinced the throw to DeJuan was a bail out, but even so, I think for every play that the receivers bail him out, and that’s one of the reasons we have top quality receivers, there are plays where it’s just not his fault that the pass wasn’t completed. And even with all that, the overall production is something to be very proud of.
Happy feet. Decisions. It shows. Mechanics.
Look, I don’t have an issue per se with Landry. But you can see it in the stands (been at every game except Kansas), you can see it watching replays. He throws high, his mechanics are off. I think he got ALOT of sideline nut from the QB coach….. Who is now in the box…..
You got a better theory for his Jekyll & Hyde? And why would jaz make highlight catch after catch if the throws were accurate? Crap even look t the FSU winning td to stills! He is either high or under throws a lot! I think that is effected by the QB oach in the booth now…..
Agreed
I was at KU game. They were working on footwork with him during timeouts. Sorry, but at this point, if you’re not named Tebow, the footwork should be pretty much automatic.
by SCKSChief on Nov 6, 2011 7:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
who was working? Gundy? IDK, really....
On the sidelines during injuries etc he was throwing with Allen basically on the boundary…
Not sure who
It wasn’t Gundy. Another coach in a head set, a really young guy, was watching his feet like a hawk. He wasn’t just throwing either, he was taking drop steps to set up the throws too.
Mr. Happy Feet needs to grow a pair and Man-Up!
He has been off all year, every game, for every type of throw. Maybe it is Heuple in the booth upstairs. Hell buy a Heupel blow up doll and let Happy Feet talk to it. This offense except for the utexass (they still SUCK!) has failed to play a complete game all year. It’s Happy Feet’s offense to run and he is in his third year. Time to take off the gloves, quit babying the kid and make him grow a pair.
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.
Watching for first time on tv.
Wow Fleming makes such an impact……
And you can almost palpate the shock with broyles….. The change in emotions etc.
Bob Stoops really gets on my nerves by doing that!
Weve basically wasted Brandon Williams redshirt and NO Tony Jefferson?! TJ tweeted about his frustration after the game and i dont blame him! You think Stoops is really lying and Jefferson did something and now hes in the dog house?
I swear my allegiance to the crimson and cream, and lay down my effort to honor this team. The bell always awnsered, Ill fight through the pain and lift up my brother! To honor this game! I stand in the shadows of champions past and guard every inch of this hallowed grass. I train to remember although i may bleed. We live by the code, of the crimson and cream. Theres only one Oklahoma.
disagree. how can you say its a waste?
We have Whaley out. Clay doing who knows what with his shoulder & neck. That leaves Millard & Finch, I would rather have Williams getting more snaps. But he is gonna need some in the next 3 weeks….. even if it is to get a breather for Finch. I did notice him picking up some blitzes yesterday. Thats more than he was doing 2 weeks ago & against a fairly stout pressuring defense.
what i mean by a waste
is that where has he been in our offense? i have no problem with him playing this year but on saturday he got one carry for one yard. if were not going to use his red shirt we might as well develop him and let him get some carries and obviously thats not happening. I would really like to see him get some touches
I swear my allegiance to the crimson and cream, and lay down my effort to honor this team. The bell always awnsered, Ill fight through the pain and lift up my brother! To honor this game! I stand in the shadows of champions past and guard every inch of this hallowed grass. I train to remember although i may bleed. We live by the code, of the crimson and cream. Theres only one Oklahoma.
by Sooner4life33 on Nov 9, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Jefferson tweeted yesterday morning...
….that he woke up ready to blast some heads off. Not sure if that had any impact on Stoops decision not to play him. He also tweeted after the game that he played one snap during the game. I heard he was banged up, but he might also be in the dog house.
Well, there you are
Landry has been off every game, every kind of throw, he has poor mechanics, happy feet, no balls, and who knows what else…
I’m glad the coaches, the team, and, I suspect, the opposition have a completely different view of him than this forum does.
Poor guy, all he has going for him is a mustasche and pretty fiancee
Rumor has it that Texas is about to sign a huge corporate sponsorship deal for the Longhorn Network. They just have to decide which brand represents them best: Dyson, Eureka or Hoover.
by It'sTheVoice on Nov 6, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Keep looking thru the Crimson glasses, the fact is if he doesn't get with it beating LOSUr St will very very very diffcult
The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

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