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What to expect: OU Defense vs. Texas Offense

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It probably won't draw the headlines that the match-up we discussed yesterday will, but don't take that to mean there isn't plenty to watch here on Saturday as well.  Rather than the showdown of two first year coordinators, this one presents the long time OU DC Brent Venables vs. Texas' prodigy child (kidding, kind of) Brian Harsin.  As an OU fan, this is a match-up that has me worried when you take into consideration some of the issues Venables has had in this game in years past.  And that was with the offensive wizard that was Greg Davis in charge of things, now with all the tricks Harsin is likely to pull Saturday it's more than a little concerning for this OU fan.  

Venables does not have the greatest track record of being able to adjust his plan mid-game, which I would have to think will be absolutely necessary Saturday afternoon.  One thing we've yet to really see this year that I would not be at all surprised to see extensively Saturday is the 50-front defense OU used so effectively late in the season last year. It would allow Venables enough guys up front to help defend the power run game Texas will use as well as allow the secondary to match up with a two wide/two tight end set.  Texas, at least up to this point, hasn't gone with the four/five wide sets under Harsin nearly as much as they used in the past.  So hopefully for our sake that means we won't be subjected to the very unsuccessful 3-2-6 formation they employed against Missouri.

There might not be a lot of things we as OU fans know for certain about this Texas offense, but the one we do know for sure is that they are unlikely to do the same thing twice. Harsin is going to give a different look and/or tons of pre-snap motion on pretty much every play, so Venables will have to come up with one of his better game plans.

I also wanted to take a bit of a different approach to this one compared to yesterday.  We'll talk about some generalities with the respective match-ups and some individual players, but I really wanted to focus on specific points with regard to the Texas offense and what we can expect the Sooners to do in defending it.  Mainly because I think, defensively for OU, it comes down to just a couple key points and those really deserve a majority of the focus.

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So let's start with some of those specific points.  The four aspects of this Texas offense I think OU should focus on are (1) trick plays, (2) Malcolm Brown, (3) Jaxon Shipley, and (4) defending the middle of the field.  Now that doesn't mean that outside of those four points there aren't still things the defense should worry about.  The running ability David Ash and the ability of Case McCoy to extend a play are both things this defense will need to account for.  It doesn't mean they won't use creative means to get the ball into D.J. Monroe's hands.  It also doesn't mean there aren't other guys like Mike Davis or Fozzy Whitaker that can make plays, but again I think the points made above are the keys to the game for this OU defense.  So we'll take them in order.

- Trick Plays.  It's no secret that Brian Harsin is going to run them and that coming from Boise he's probably got everyone you know about in his arsenal and ever more likely some you don't.  It's also no secret that despite their pedestrian at best early season schedule, the Texas offense has struggled to move the ball consistently without said trick plays.  So the obvious question this leads to is if Texas is struggling to move the ball minus the trick plays  against defenses like that of Rice, BYU, UCLA, and Iowa State how successful can they be against the caliber of a defense such as the one OU will line up Saturday?

It would be foolish for OU fans to think that none of the trick plays will work, but the key will be when (not if) they are successful limiting them.  Meaning, it's acceptable if they lead to a first down but what we don't want happening is them turning into long touchdowns.  Not only do you have the momentum of them putting points on the board, but doing so in a manner that gets their fans even more pumped up.  Plus if they're successful now you have to account for them occurring even more frequently.  Perhaps to a somewhat lesser extent considering they're going to run them regardless so you'll have to account for them no matter what, but the more successful they are with them the more likely they are to keep digging into that bag of tricks.

- Malcolm Brown.  There was no shortage of hype for his kid coming into Austin and in spite of that, to Texas' credit they have been very smart in their approach to easing him into their offense.  In part because they knew placing that kind of burden on a true freshman would be asking too much, but also because they have a very capable back in Whitaker to help shoulder some of the load.  Speaking of Whitaker, I think he presents a real threat in this game but for me Brown is the kid we need to focus on.  For the fact that he is the kind of RB who can grind out those tough yards and keep the chains moving, while also being able to break a big run if given the chance.  But it's those tough yards and if Texas is able to grind out those yards and get first downs this defense could be in trouble.

- Jaxon Shipley.  We heard all about him before he arrived on campus and how he was a carbon copy of his older brother.  The stories look to be proven true if the first four games of his college career are any indication.  They can, have, and will use him all over the field so knowing where he is before the ball is snapped will be a key for this defense.  Personally, I would love for Stoops and Venables to go very much out of character and just let Demontre Hurst shadow Shipley all over the field.  I can almost guarantee you this will not happen, but I feel strongly this would be the Sooners best defense against your our of the norm true frosh.  I think Hurst is a much better match-up against Shipley than Jamell Fleming and an infinitely better one than Gabe Lynn (remember him trying to cover T.J. Moe in the slot).  If Texas is smart, they try and get Shipley matched up on anybody other than Hurst for most of the game.

- Defending the middle of the field.  And now we get to what I feel, defensively, is the determining factor in OU winning or losing this game.  This staff has struggled for years to defend the short, crossing stuff over the middle and we all saw Colt McCoy earn a NFL draft pick out of exploiting that (not just against OU of course mind you).  The struggles stem 100% from Stoops/Venables insistence to keep three LBs (if you count Jefferson) on the field at virtually all times.  What we've seen at times this year however is a willingness to change that, but in doing so they appear to favor a 3-2-6 type formation which drastically limits their ability to rush the passer.  We saw just that against Missouri and all the time James Franklin had to find open receivers as well as how dropping eight guys into coverage can create space and lanes to allow a mobile QB (see David Ash) to pick up chunks of yards.

Couple all that with the fact that after years of non-existence, the Horns have actually discovered that using a TE can be useful in an offense.  The emergence of D.J. Grant gives them a weapon at a position they didn't know existed since the departure of Jermichael Finley.  And Finely repeatedly running free behind the OU defense with LBs helplessly chasing after him is not a mental image we as OU fans care to remember.

So that's my synopsis of how I see things heading into Saturday.  I think the OU defense is successful if they're able to do the following (1) contain Ash and make him beat you with his arm, (2) limit the success of the trick plays, (3) win the run game battle, and (4) most importantly defend the middle of the field.  And yes, it's that important IMO.

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Sounds like a reasonable assessment

I have a more general statement. I think OU should pin their ears back and go after UT’s young QBs. We have the capability to bring a lot more heat than the creampuffs Texas has played so far. Mix that in with varied coverages and keep Texas QB and receivers guessing.

by Toby H on Oct 5, 2011 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Our DEs will get some pressure on their own, but bringing different blitz looks and surprising the young whorn QBs by dropping others into coverage could yield some turnovers.

by TwoPalePonies on Oct 5, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is the part of the D I feel the most confident and least confident about

at true paradox. They will get pressure on the QB’s but someone has to box out so that texass and harsin don’t get to turn the corner. Another area of concern for me is draw play up the middle. Surely our D has learned how to stop that play by this time.

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Oct 5, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

The draw in the Texas game has always been a hassle for OU, even back in the 70s.

by Toby H on Oct 5, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big Earl used to put the massive hrt on us back then

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Oct 5, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The OU defense vs the Texas Offense

is a much more intriguing matchup than the OU offense vs the Texas defense. Texas has yet to find much of an identity on this side of the ball, and we know that OU has the capability to play like an elite defense.

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by dasoonerman on Oct 5, 2011 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of the d-line batting down balls left and right…

by captfoss on Oct 5, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

He still had an easy enough time

getting the ball down field for the most part.

by SCKSChief on Oct 5, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not so much

7/15 for 134, 1 TD and 1 pick isn’t nothing, but it’s not “an easy time getting the ball downfield.” Trickett was also sacked 5 times. And at 26 rushes for 27 yards, our D kept FSU from running with any consistency at all.

by TwoPalePonies on Oct 5, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that they can't play,

nor did I say that they can’t lay the wood. I just think it’s ignorant and/or homerish to consider OU’s defense ‘elite’ when they’re giving up 5.2 yds/play and 350 yds/game on the season. See Bama and LSU if you want to see an elite defense…It’s an entirely different level. HOWEVER, I would LOVE for OU to shut the Horns out and make me look stupid…Nothing would make me happier.

by Uncle Earmuffs on Oct 5, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wish we had a defense like this.


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If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Oct 5, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

This Texas offense to me is comparable to the Nebraska offense

Last December, only with less of a threat to truly run at qb. I don’t care how much motion there is, they aren’t very good.

by OU JJ on Oct 5, 2011 9:00 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I've only seen the BYU game.

But with two different QBs running the offense and a running back in the wildcat, they present situational threats, not a consistent threat to run or pass. The opportunities for blown assignments on offense is very high.
Who knows, maybe they will try and run McCoy, then have Asher or Whitaker throw the ball.
When they can demonstrate the ability to line up and run/throw on a consistent basis, then I will be concerned.
In the meantime, they will have to stop OUr offense from doing what it does consistently.
The Boise offense, contrary to popular myth, has been successful due to execution and timing. I don’t know for certain, but it doesn’t seem the wHorns are there yet.

If you train people properly, they won't be able to tell a drill from the real thing. If anything, the real thing will be easier. --Richard Marcinko

by EasTex on Oct 5, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope they did not take any 'consistent execution' pills this week

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Oct 5, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ash

is not the serious scrambling threat you guys think he is. I don’t think he has the wheels to break containment and move the chains like Colt does. What I have noticed is that QB pressure doesn’t seem to get to him, he delivers the pass without any additional altitude, knowing he’ll be punished for it with a nasty hit.
I think the draw play to keep the DE’s from pinning their ears back is the countermeasure Harsin most frequently relies on. As such I expect lots of delayed middle run blitzes from you guys as Venable’s second half adjustment.

by ColbyA on Oct 5, 2011 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Can Saturday come early this week?

All this talk is killing me. I just want to see how it all pans out on the field.

That said, another great write-up, jte.

by HornPossessed on Oct 5, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Harsin is Better than Venables

Harsin make adjustments before second half, and is great at scheming. The problem will be execution. It looks like Ash is getting the start and McCoy will be second, two very young kids and a host of young skill players.

Harsin will dial up the right play more often than not, it will be the star-stuck kiddos that end up probably costing us points.

by Dustin Brockelman on Oct 5, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

UT's offense gets too much credit

Count on Landry to give it up twice. Out of that UT gets 6 pts. Give UT a TD (13) and TD/FG (16-20) for two other scoring drives and they’re looking at 20 points max. OU scores more than that.

I’m not convinced by the “Venables fails to make adjustments” kind of statements. In the Missouri game, Mizzou was shut out in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and got one TD on the last possession of the game. Did Venables not make adjustments by the 2nd quarter? I think Mizzou has a better offense that Texas at this point, and OU contained them to really 3 offensive TDs (and 1 cheap late one). Texas, I anticipate, will not do better than that.

I think Venables, if not the OU defense in general, has done a pretty good job when they win at making other teams one-dimensional. With Hurst on one-side and very few WR options, Texas, if forced into third and long non-FG situations will wind up punting a lot.

by inocybe on Oct 5, 2011 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I would hope

that they don’t score that much.

But, if Landry makes his two mistakes (which he does FAR too frequently!) they will likely capitalize on them and I’ll be glad if it is only a combined 6 pts.

I would agree that overall Mizzou is a better offense than UT, but Venables hasn’t really inspired a whole lot of confidence lately in the RRS.

Here’s to no more 3 man lines and a shellacking of UT!

by SCKSChief on Oct 5, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Venables does make adjustments.

I disagree with that part of your assessment. I think over the years he has done an excellent job of adjusting to the other team. Once again, I think the times when it appears that he doesn’t, it’s simply because he has to work within the abilities of the players at hand, but many is the time that teams have moved on us early in the game and then been shut down by adjustments. And most of our big game wins include at least one moment in the second half where he (sometimes brilliantly) pulls out a surprise to counter what the other team has been doing.

As far as trick plays go, I understand being gun shy about that, due to the famous game, but that is more a maturity and “football smarts” issue than anything else, and I think this particular group will be able to handle that much better than in recent past. You know, stuff like when the coaches call for “punt safe,” play punt safe instead of getting excited and neglecting to stay at home…

that aside, yours is a great assessment, and I look forward to seeing how the game and defensive schemes play out.

by soonermusic on Oct 5, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I know this is likely to be a close game again like in recent years

but after all we have been through recently with realignment and subpart performance against Mizzou, another 65-13 (minus the 13 of course) beatdown would sure do wonders for the self esteem right now.

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Oct 5, 2011 2:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I like your intensity on this and especially the last two lines of your post, I even like your sig, but

this is the RRS! Records,stats, and talent do not always win this game. OU’s D must show up and play their best game of the year at this point, LJ must keep his cool and the O-Line must protect. If any one of the 3 items does not perform then it will be a nail friggen biter. If two fail to perform the OU will most likely lose.

The only way OU wins by the score you posted is if all 3 items perform at their highest level this year and the Special Teams does the same.

BOOMER!

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Oct 5, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for calling it the RRS as it should be

intead of rrr as the tv promo moguls would have us brainwashed into believing…

by soonermusic on Oct 5, 2011 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It should be obvious by reading anything I have ever posted that

neither tv, advertising, nor the pc crowd will never influence what I say, think, watch or purchase.

The game in Dallas has always been the Red River Shootout and always will be.

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Oct 5, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd just cause I want you to be 100% right

it seems kinda weird to me that the whorn fans haven’t been here talking smack. I guess they are scared they are gonna get that @$$ whipped.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Oct 5, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

cautious they are,

but they are still Whorns.

The one thing being a lot older has going for it, most of us older have seen more CFB than most younger people have seen web pages.

by scarab on Oct 5, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not scared

just quietly lurking, biding our time ;)

by HornOfReason on Oct 5, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're not saying anything until LHN subscriptions exceed 15.

How do you make UT brownies? . . . Put them in a bowl and beat them 3 or 4 hours.

by Terra Clepta on Oct 5, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

last time I looked at a ticket site there were about 6000 tickets for sale.

When I called the dude I talked to said it was 75% texass tickets……because I asked for 2 more tickets near my section. (have to bring kids now) Anyway I needed 2 tix & requested anywhere near mine, but under $300. NADA….. nothing.

by OU JJ on Oct 5, 2011 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's 10:06 pm, do you know where your children are?

Have you told them that Tex@ss sucks? They need to know!

by It'sTheVoice on Oct 5, 2011 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

IIt's 5:33 am in Zimbabwe and texas SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How do you make UT brownies? . . . Put them in a bowl and beat them 3 or 4 hours.

by Terra Clepta on Oct 5, 2011 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

One of the amazing laws of physics

that Texass can be in only one place yet still suck all over the world

"Gentlemen we must all hang together, or assuredly we will all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

by leatherneck1061 on Oct 5, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a research grant in them thar words

How do you make UT brownies? . . . Put them in a bowl and beat them 3 or 4 hours.

by Terra Clepta on Oct 5, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take the money and that might actually be a study I would gladly conduct.

"I feel sorry for peple who don't drink, when they wake up in the morning thats as good as they are gonna feel all day long." Frank Sinatra

by pitbull17 on Oct 5, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

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