OU vs. K-State - What we can expect to see
It's certainly no secret what Bill Snyder has and is currently doing at Kansas State. Simply put, the man is an outstanding football coach who was born to do exactly what he's doing. His teams are disciplined and as assignment sound as any you'll watch this or any other season. The KSU team our Sooners will face Saturday afternoon will be no different. While some (many?) will label them overachievers, what they would be missing is a collection of players executing almost to perfection what their coaches ask of them. Snyder and his staff know what these players are capable of and know what they do well. As such, they will develop a game plan they believe to be effective about what OU plans to do and go out and execute it. Now that's not to say they're not capable of making adjustments, but if it's working (like it has been all year so far) don't expect them to try and reinvent the wheel.
So to that point, the first thing we as OU fans can expect to see it plenty of the KSU run game. It's predominantly how they move the ball, both with Collin Klein at QB and John Hubert at RB. They're not unwilling or unable to pass the ball mind you, but their clear preference so far has been to move the ball on the ground. Hubert certainly isn't the biggest or fastest back in the Big 12, but he is a football player who just makes plays. However, Klein is the straw that stirs this Wildcat offense and he'll have the ball in his hands for a majority of plays on Saturday. At least that is if everything is working for this K-State offense. What they'll try to do it use both Klein and Hubert to run the ball, wearing down the OU defense and setting up the play action. If they have a shot over the top they'll definitely take it and the two most likely targets are Tramaine Thompson and Tyler Lockett.
On defense for the Wildcats, the "star" is LB Arthur Brown but much like a typical Snyder team this is a unit in every sense of the word. They compliment each other incredibly well and while the strength is likely in the front seven, don't sleep on this secondary. They have struggled at times against the pass, but they have also faced some pretty dynamic passing offenses (Baylor, Texas Tech) and Oklahoma fans are all to familiar with how a QB in rhythym can pick apart your secondary. Expect the KSU defense to try and shut down the Sooners run game early to try and make the one dimensional. They'll try and avoid having to bring extra guys in the pass rush and initially see if they can get pressure with just four or five allowing them to drop as many defenders into coverage as possible. If they can get to Landry without blitzing on a regular basis, well then it's going to be a long day for Sooner Nation my friends.
From an OU perspective, I think you can expect them on offense to try and get their run game going early. It probably won't be easy considering KSU will likely load up the box in the early going, but I expect Heupel to stick with it even if it's not successful at first. I'd also expect Ryan Broyles to return to the Broyles we all know after having what was arguably the worst game of his career against Tech. Not from a statistical standpoint mind you, but just from a it never really felt like he was a part of the game perspective. On defense, if I'm honest I don't really know what to expect. Venables has tried to do so many different things with this defense, I'm not sure one can predict what he'll do on Saturday. Given KSU's running game, will he go back to a more traditional four man d-line? Would he go back to the 50-front defense that worked so well last year and that for some unknown reason has yet to utilize this year? What will they do at MLB? Will Tom Wort be able to hold up after missing the better part of the last two games? Will Jaydan Bird be used more and would KSU try to exploit him in pass coverage? How will this secondary perform coming off one of the worst outings in recent memory?
As you can see, there are a lot of questions for this OU defense and really the team in general. Of course a unexpected and embarrassing loss will do that for you. Now I know there are plenty of you out there with opinions on this game and this team. So what do you all expect to see this Saturday in Manhattan?
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3rd Down Conversion
For the Sooners, 3rd Down conversions will be huge! I don’t think it’s any secret that Snyder/KSU are “ball hogs” and time of possession is in their favor. KSU is #24 in 3rd Down Off. conversion while OU is #48.
If we can’t convert and don’t force turnovers, it could be a difficult game, assuming KSU executes and converts on 3rd downs as well.
Totally Agree on Venables ...
No telling what he is going to do. I think he likes it that way so he can try to confuse other BigXII OCs because I believe Vulnerables knows he has become a ‘known’ commodity in the league … OU just hasn’t had the healthy turnover at DC that we’ve enjoyed at OC. It seems some OCs know how to exploit his weaknesses better than others, and K-State is probably just such a team. My gut is telling me Vulnerables has not slept very well this week. Sorry for the ‘neg’ here, but I expect to see OU struggle with the KSU offense … and a huge key to the game will be his ability to make the proper adjustments.
This game
has me pretty dadgum nervous, boys and girls. I’m scared to death that we’re going to see the same underwhelming OU team that we’ve seen for two weeks. Sure, everyone says, “Oh, they’ll be pissed.” Newsflash: Shoulda been pissed LAST week!
Really don’t want to endure the purple sea just to watch that drivel.
I share your fear, big time
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Nope
I don’t want to jinx us w/ my presence :)
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by Jordan Esco on Oct 29, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Good write up JTE
personal rant on why I liked this article….you’ve been warned:
I work a full schedule, I follow OU, and I have a normal life and all that demands. When we get to a game, I might not have followed them too closely. In fact I think I’ve see about 2 quarters of K-state football all year. What I want is to know a few players on the other team, and get an over view of match-ups both in talent and in strategies.
I don’t need need a war room break down cause after the 3 hours of the game, I won’t give 2 cents about K-state. I also don’t need to know if some player visits sick kids in hospitals or likes puppies.
What I need is a write up like this one. Thanks jte!
Absolutely agree
"If you don't want to work, become a reporter. That awful power, the public opinion of the nation, was created by a horde of self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditch digging and shoemaking and fetched up journalism on their way to the poorhouse." - Mark Twain
Chris Harper
Your write up was really good, but KSU will also try to spring Harper on a PA post route. They almost hit it huge against Missouri (I believe it was Missouri) and they’ve hit it a few other times this season.
But, yes. Klein (I don’t know how he gets up sometimes, seriously!) is a tough runner. This is a classic Snyder offense. The QB will run just as much, if not more than Hubert or any other back. We’ll see the zone read stuff, straight QB follows, and a little bit of option. They will also run the inside and outside zone and some stretch plays. Haven’t seen a whole lot of toss out of them, but I’m sure it’s there.
You're right about not seeing many toss plays.
The zone read, whether out of the shotgun or pistol, is our bread and butter. Klein runs it phenomenally well. Hubert can practically be at the line of scrimmage before Klein pulls the ball back. The biggest problem I’ve seen is that sometimes in the pistol, he hold the ball on the opposite side of where Hubert runs, forcing it to be a keeper. Klein had a couple of TD runs against Kansas that would have been good in touch football, because he held the ball in Hubert’s breadbasket right up until KU defenders tackled Hubert.
Don’t sleep on our receiving corps, either. Chris Harper is a very good jump-ball receiver, Tramaine Thompson is great if he can get the ball in space, Brodrick and Sheldon Smith are high-quality possession guys, and Tyler Lockett is a fab freshman with a good pedigree. We even have a 6’8" tight end with pretty good hands in Andre McDonald.
I do like McDonald
Lockett kind of came out of nowhere though, is that a fair statement? I heard a lot of KSU fans scoff at him when he was signed (they thought it was only because of his dad), but he’s panned out very nicely.
If Klein can stay alive, KSU will have a great season. Not sure what the cards hold if Lamur has to play because of the pounding Klein takes.
I’ve been to three KSU games already this year and I know what they have. Should be a good matchup. If the same OU team that played the last two weeks shows up, it won’t be as close as the scoreboard shows.
I don't know that Lockett came out of nowhere.
Not every freshman comes in ready to set the world afire, Baby Lockett just needed half a season to adjust to the college game, I think. Or maybe KU’s defense just really does suck that badly. Maybe he wouldn’t have gotten to K-State without the last name, but it is a name with good history in Manhattan and I’m happy he’s here.
I really don’t know what Lamur can do if forced into starting duty. He’s a dual-threat like Klein, but from what I’ve seen he isn’t as much of a power runner. Maybe not any faster than Klein, but more elusive. I seem to remember talk about Lamur being the more polished passer of the two, as well.
I think there were always expectations about Lockett because of his dad and uncle, just not this year!
I was hoping him to become a main guy after RS this year. So much for that. And I’m hardly complaining.
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Fantastic write-up about the Cats
Good work. I’d add that Broyles and Stills can devour this secondary if the Cats D-line can’t rattle Jones. I still have nightmares about Kendall Wright.
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thanks for the compliment
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Did we forget?
I think the one thing you forgot to put on the “what we can expect to see” thread was the collapse of our defense so early in the game. God, couldn’t they have at least waited until the 3rd quarter?
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