A counter point To Flying A Bird, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
This article is a counter point discussion to JTE'S article on telling UT to stick it where the sun don't shine. I'm sure JTE hit the Knee-Jerk OU fan reaction on the head there, and there is nothing really wrong with that except it over simplifies the more complex issues going on in the college football, and with the Big 12 teams. And this is a great starting point to look at the situation. 
What Should Joe C do now?
Is UT's new deal really a game changer?
From a total money perspective, not really. They'll make from what I can guesstimate, about $ 6-9 million dollars (give or take a million or two) more a year than they currently are making. Now for many schools, that's a king's ransom. Right now, Texas A&M Athletic Department owes Texas A&M University $20 million dollars, which the Dept, had to borrow to cover it's budget short fall a few years back. So...there are Athletic Departments having a hard time keeping up with UT.
However, UT already has the largest Athletic Budget in the country with about $100 Million dollars. So....$6-9 million dollars more, is really only a 6-9 % increase. It's not the game changer some would think, as UT already had the same competitive advantage ($$$$$) over every other school in the Big 12 for years....and OU dominated them in the Big 12.
National Impact and Big 12 Impact:
A little background: The Big 12 allows schools to keep TV rights for unused sports. Only the SEC and the Big East do this of the BCS Conferences. The Pac-12 and the Big 10+ (and I think the ACC, but not sure) require an "all in" meaning all TV of anything for it's members is owned by the conference and money earned from them are distributed in full equal shares to the member schools. So, Ohio State and now Nebraska, gets the same money from TV as does Northwestern and Indiana, and USC does with Washington St (this last one is NOT sitting well with USC as they are talking about going Independent too)
The rich certainly got richer with the UT/ESPN deal, AND it pushes what is a financial arms race to a whole new level. The rest of the country's national brands also will be wanting something like this too and will want to keep up with UT.
What about USC, Alabama, or Florida, or Oregon, or Penn State, or Ohio State or North Carolina (to name some other national brands) Do they deserve their own NATIONAL cable channel of their own? They all have the same cache as Texas does on the national stage.
This deal separates UT further from the bottom of the Big 12. Iowa State, Kansas St can't keep up. If the other national brands are feeling left behind, surely Iowa State, Baylor, just become the Baltimore Orioles or the Kansas City Royals trying to keep up with the New York Yankees. Will they like the Orioles, quit trying and eventually make the Big 12 a laughing stock?
Is OU better off with a close relationship with UT then with out?
Well, this is THE key questions at the heart of all of this ain't it?
The Big 12 has been a financial boon to OU over the Big 8 days. OU was bleeding money before, and now OU is one of the few Athletic Departments in the country currently in the black. OU's total athletic budget is around $80 million dollars a year, and in the top 20 of all schools in the country.
Is that all due to UT and the Big 12? Of course not as a TON of it has been due to Joe Castiglione and his management. But understand, UT is a national brand and they are the most popular school in a large and populous state (read: TV eyeballs). And that is Eyeballs that TV will pay for. So for Conference TV contracts, the Big 12 NEEDS UT but how much do they need them?
A couple of points need to be made clear before we move:. X divided by 10 is more than x divided by 12, where X is the same amount. To make X/10= or < Y/12 Y has to be exponentially greater than X. Y has to increase more than the amount of X divided by 10. and each extra division has to add to Y. Meaning each school a conference adds has to be worth more to Network TV's than the ones added before or the pie slices are smaller for everyone.
So...what exactly do you want OU to do? What are OU's options?
Before we talk about OU's options, one thing needs to be said, OU has an Okla. St. problem. OU doesn't want to separate from OSU, and while I think OU COULD, it would be a nasty fight political fight, and OU doesn't want to fight that fight. President Boran's wife graduated from OSU. OSU's Veterinary School is named after Boran. OSU's president Harges graduated from OU Law School. There are ties that bind here.
a: Join the SEC. Well, the SEC were reluctantly open to taking A&M and OU this summer, but they didn't want Okla. State. I mean you can say to your wife or girl friend, that you are leaving her to go live with Oklahoma's own Ashlynn Brook but if she's not available, then you really don't have that choice?
For the record, how it went down this summer, was A&M got the SEC to agree to take A&M, but the SEC wanted A&M to get another school, and they wouldn't take Missouri. A&M came to OU, and OU said, "We have to bring OSU too"...which the SEC said no thanks to, but said they'd approve OU and A&M, IF CBS and ESPN gave extra money. ESPN was wanting to keep the Big 12 together said, they wouldn't pay more, and CBS said, they might consider it but would have to look at numbers and take time...which no one had this summer.
If the SEC would have OU and OSU, I'd say go for it. More money, more athletic prestige, a more stable conference. PLUS an automatic spot for the Conference winner in the BCS championship game.....all would be great for OU.
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b: Join the 12 Pac: That was an option this summer, but could OU go to the Pac 12 NOW and say , "Add us now, and F, texass"? Well, maybe. BUT, the Pac-12 makes less money than the Big 12 does AND They are spread out, which means higher travel costs, so joining the 12 Pac, means LESS money for OU.
The Pac-10's current TV deal is SO bad, that adding OU along with OSU could still be a positive addition to them where it wouldn't be with with the SEC. Of all the conferences out there this is OU's only other choice, and even then it has drawbacks.
However, OU didn't like the "all in" aspect of the Pac10 this summer. It was OU among all the schools, this summer, that shot the Pac10 deal down (along with A&M).
c: Lead a Big 12 revolt and kick UT out of the Big 12 and replace them with BYU. Grow a pair, eat some money and vote UT out. The Big 12, then could add, BYU to return to 10 teams and when their TV deals come up, would now be negotiating with BYU as the 2nd national brand along with OU.
How much money is UT worth to the Big 12 TV deal and to each school? Well, Millions. How many Millions would be interesting to know. It is estimated, that the networks see UT as much as 40% of the total value for the Big 12 Conference, OU 12.5%, A&M 12.5 %...and the rest of the league 35%. (these are ball park numbers and guesses I read somewhere when the conference realignment came up).
You might not like, it but UT is worth more eyeballs than any other school. And TV pays for eyeballs.
Now, let's do some math: In the future TV contract, UT, OU, and A&M are promised about $20 mill a year and the 7 dwarfs about $15 million per year, or $165 million total. If UT is worth 40% of the Big 12's current value, than that leaves you with $ 99 million dollars. Add in BYU, which is worth about $1 million per football game (they signed a 4 game deal with ESPN for $1 mill per game), and you add back in $13 million with a bowl game. That brings our total to $ 112 million. Now..lets say the NEW Big 12 wants equal TV sharing...to avoid the UT debacle. $112 million divided equally among the 10 teams means each school would get $11.2 million dollars per school in a new TV deal with out UT.
To kick UT out of the Big 12 would cost OU about $9 Million Dollars a year on a future TV deal!!!! Now OU might be able to live with this pay cut, but could enough other Big 12 schools be able to do this and vote UT out? No way.
Flipside: Does UT want out of the Big 12? Some say yes. Their schedule takes a hit, but not much. UT fans assume, UT would still play OU and A&M every year, and those are the 2 big TV draws for UT now. OU could NOT play UT, and that would hurt UT...but it would hurt OU the same. Scheduling teams to play when other schools are in conference play will be tough. UT actually would earn MORE money as an independent then they would in the Big 12, and their 2ndary sports would join the WAC or the Sunbelt. They no longer have to pay for those "sucking at their Teet" as UT president said this summer.
From a straight money question UT benefit from independence. If we are playing "Keep up with UT", we'd actually fall further behind, if UT went Independent.
d: The fourth option is this: Demand "all in" by all schools in the Big 12, including OU and Texass. Meaning, ALL TV rights now belong to the Conference, and not to the individual schools. Take the National Deals, PLUS all the other money like the ESPN/UT deal from all the schools and throw them in one pot.
That would equal all the TV money amongst all the schools. That would a HUGE wind fall for Baylor and Iowa State, and Oklahoma State. OU, would be giving up money too. Not as much as UT, but OU WOULD be giving up money. So this option does cost OU money.
I should point out that this is what Nebraska wanted after they started figuring out that UT, and OU was making more money then they were. OU balked at this idea this summer, not because they were UT's toadie, but because it would have cost OU money too.
Personally, I think this would be interesting move as I think it strengthen's the conference as a whole, and especially the weaker members. OU would lose money that's true, but not as much as UT. It would also give the PERCEPTION, that the conference is a conference of equals, and not UT and her 9 Byatches.
That is unless, this forces UT to go independent and it could. This gives UT the political cover and could be the argument they are looking for to take to the Texas Legislature, to let them walk from the Big 12, something I don't think they have a snowball's chance in hell, at the moment.
So....Bottom Line: OU makes more money WITH UT then OU would make without them, even if they are pompous asses.
Athletic Directors have bills to pay too. We are all looking at ways of making MORE money, not less, even Joe Castiglione.
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Apparently you have spent
a lot of time studying the financial shortfall that OU and the rest of Big 12 would suffer by growing a set and bidding farewell to those fecal horns. Can you explain the financial windfall of having one’s own tv network? It seems like more of an ego trip than genius accounting. The brilliance of their coup was their partnership with the most influential outfit in sports. It also has become painfully clear why OU did not end up in the Pac ? All the kudos given to txASS for “saving the big 12” was just a load of crap. the Pac ? would NOT let them do what they just did to the Big 12, so ultimately it was about their own self interest and had nothing to do with the welfare of the Big 12.
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you have most of it figured out
Their is growing value in the 2ndary TV rights. For a long time, women’s softball, and crappy men’s basketball games had no value. But when sports channels started making money on poker and rodeo, well, any “live” sports had value. And that block of unused sports is growing in value rapidly. And everyone wants to own and control it. Before, no one cared, it was trash of no value.
And having their own network…certainly maximizes the value of swimming and softball games for UT. And in this time, schools are trying to squeeze out the last penny of value they can to maximize revenue. That’s just smart business.
UT will be making from what I can figure about $6-9 Million more per year with their new network. And everyone wants more money…even the school, that makes the most money already. For UT, 6-9 million isn’t much on a percentage basis…but to some schools, that would be a 4th of their budget if they could get that much more. It’s still MORE MONEY…and that’s the the point. (plus they can say “FU were Texas and we have our own network”)
Also, I would suspect that this Bevo-TV will be on the free portion of cable in Washington, DC as well. There is competition for research money, and if UT is smart this could be a good brand marketing tool to help swing some of that money their way.
and the Big 12 deal wasn’t killed because UT wouldn’t go all in….it was killed cause A&M and OU didn’t want to go all in. UT thought they could get in……leave some things open for negotiation, and could change the Pac10 later.
OU was the one saying…hey the Big 12 is great…why mess it up? cause of all the schools OU has benefited and improved financially the most from the Big 12 years.
And….Southern Cal, was hoping to change the Pac 10 all-in rules too. When the Pac 16 deal died, they were pissed. As they are the UT of the Pac12, and the biggest national brand out there. They wanted their rights back.
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correct me if I'm wrong
but are not all the eyes of texASS not already on them? Are you saying that people in Washington DC will tune in to watch the “U” swim meets and softball games? Personally, I find that laughable. Plus, I frequently hear complaints, especially with the recent bowl games shown almost exclusively on cable, that there really are people out there who do NOT get cable and will be denied the ability to watch this fabulous new network.
I have read multiple posts by you and many more comments, and respect your OU fandom. It is probably good that there are rational people like you to post a rational response to the current abuse brought about by those folks in Bristol. For the time being, I will remain on the side of JTE and be knee-jerkish. I am fing sick and tired of being portrayed as the little brother to those dickwads in Autism.
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Oklahoma is no one's little brother
Oklahoma is not being portrayed as anyone’s little brother. Unless you count not being as big as Texas as being Texas’ little brother, in which case everyone is Texas’ little brother and that designation ceases to have any meaning.
Nebraska did not bail because Texas was pushing it around. Texas was never pushing Nebraska around (except on the football filed obviously), Nebraska just wanted things differently Texas and Oklahoma wanted them. That was 2 against 1 and so they lost (A&M sort of counts and really no one else has any weight to throw). Nebraska left because they weren’t going to risk being left alone when the South teams finally split. Nebraska had 1 invitation to another conference and they wisely took it. 3 teams from the South had invitations to 2 other conferences and those same 3 were all promised bigger pieces of the pie to stay. Those 3 teams have options and make their own decisions. Nebraska may not admit it, maybe not even to themselves, but had to move now because the BigTen was the only option they had if the South ever left them and the BigTen was thinking of going to 16 schools without thinking of Nebraska. That’s exactly why Nebraska admin kept talking about making their decision based on stability. They were vulnerable to being left in the cold in a way that the 3 South Powers were not.
A&M’s behavior is somewhat amusing in that their insistance on not doing what Texas said they should just illustrated their inferiority complex even more. I mean we get it, Texas doesn’t tell you what to do, you’re just as good as them. Who are you trying to convince?
When everything went down this summer, Oklahoma was the only guy in the room who didn’t feel the need to prove that his dick was the biggest. That was good, because the current deal is good for Oklahoma. Now Oklahoma has to be thinking about what the next move will be because this isn’t going to last long. Like I’ve posted below. Don’t be worried about people thinking Oklahoma is Texas’ little brother (Texas thinks everyone’s their little brother), worry about Oklahoma State being Oklahoma’s kid brother that ends up getting Oklahoma left behind.
by BigFatScott on Jan 22, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Nebraska left for the Big 10 for one simple reason
MO MONEY. They went from making about $13 million a year in the Big 12, to about $22 million a year in the Big 10 in athletics.
But the Big 10 has something no other conference, has, and that is the Big 10 also has a combined lobbying group for Federal Research money, and it flat RAKES. More money to the Universities academics is what every university is really all about.
Any University in the country would JUMP at the chance to join the Big 10 if they asked….besides U ot Texas (who as we saw this week didn’t want to give up their 2ndary TV rights, and they already get a ton of Grant Money) and Stanford.
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regarding NU
I think alot of NU’s decision had to do with the fact that not only financially, but ON THE FIELD the Big 12 South utterly dominated in football as well. NU just had their best team in about a decade and STILL lost to 2 Big 12 South teams. The teams in the South flirting with the Pac-10 and SEC aggravated their hurt pride and newly discovered paranoia (thanks to the 2009 Big 12 championship game) and in retrospect it’s almost amazing they didn’t leave even sooner.
Considering the Neb was in talks with the Big Ten well before the Pac 16 deal.
I highly doubt that “hurt pride” came into this at all.
And Solich and Cahallan had far more to do with Neb. football crappiness than anything with the Big XII south.
The only reason the Neb was making less TV cash the last few years is because of their team’s poor play did not make them as desirable as teams like OU. And even then, it is only a different of $1M or so. There is nothing systematic that OU get more cash that NU per the Big XII contract.
And considering this year’s bowl season, its pretty apparent that Neb is leaving to a more competitive league. So I doubt that Neb is leaving because that cannot beat OU and UT. (not to mention that NU beat OU last year)
Deadspin: by douche bags, for douche bags.
All of this simply continues to reiterate what I said before
Two different perspectives. Basically we fans who are looking at the rivalry/competitive aspect of this are simply going to be told to go pound sand. We will then be chastised for our not seeing the big picture and reminded that if we really cared about the program we would be more supportive of it doing what is necessary to acquire a more lucrative deal that helps ensure further success down the road – or at the very least to try and understand the difficulty in breaking from the large gaping butthole….uh…I mean Texas.
I would like to point out just one thing: fan is short for “fanatic”, not “cold, calculated analyst”. I will also continued to see things from my own narrow view because I am a little more interested in better competition and in our chances of getting to the big dance being reduced if not flushed down the toilet altogether; and on that note, anyone trying to convince themselves that isn’t the case is deluding themselves – if there is an undefeated SEC team and an undefeated Ohio State, you better believe the Big 12 will be the one left with no chair when the music stops. Guess we’ll learn to be satisfied playing the UCONN’s and the West Virginia’s as our reward from now on.
by leatherneck1061 on Jan 23, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Stay with Texas, Break Up with O-State
Totally Agree that Oklahoma is standing pat out of their own interest. Oklahoma is going to get the same deal that Texas gets on a smaller scale. It’s not as lucrative as it is for Texas, but it’s better than anything else. Plus, Texas is doing all the leg work.
But while I agree that it’s definitely in Oklahoma’s interest to keep the status quo, I don’t see how it can last very long, and I don’t know what the plan is for after the BigXII. I still think staying in the BigXII after Nebraska, Texas, and A&M have all left is a death sentence. If you think perception is bad now, that’ll be just terrible, and for good reason. I don’t care if you add TCU or BYU or whatever, that conference is a joke and no one but people in Oklahoma and Kansas will be watching it, which is to say that no one will be watching it (plus mormons if you have BYU, but I don’t see that as very reassuring).
I maintain that there’s no reason to insist that Oklahoma and OSU be in the same conference so long as they continue to always play each other. If super conferences aren’t going to happen, it’s probably in OSU’s interest to be in a different conference anyway. OSU could be come king of the post-apocalypse BigXII if Oklahoma weren’t in it. They could end up like Boise State except with an annual season ending non-conference game against a legitimate power from a stronger conference. If they lose, they can still win their conference. If they win all the better.
I can see OSU alums wanting to stay attached to OU out of instinct, but cooler heads need to prevail on this because that probably won’t make sense. Attaching them at the hip would make sense if they were actually equals, and if they’re forced to be equals it will not elevate OSU, it’ll drag down Oklahoma.
If OU gets suck in the post-apocalypse BigXII, then it’s over. It is precisely the fate Nebraska was working last summer to avoid, and they didn’t do all of that because they don’t like Texas. Nebraska was making plenty of money in the short term. They were thinking about 5 years from now and how they were not going to be stuck on the plains without Oklahoma, Texas, or A&M in the conference, because it’s a death sentence. No one is going to pay money to watch your games on TV, and no athletes are going to come there when plenty of other options offer much greater exposure and competition. You won’t be dead tomorrow, but you’ll be totally irrelevant in 10 years. A shell of your former self. This is exactly why Nebraska is already gone. Oklahoma had 2 invitations last summer, but the next time around it can’t be saying no because of some notion that OSU is going to somehow be made better if they stay in the same conference as Oklahoma. It’s delusional. I can totally see Oklahoma’s decision makers being totally delusional (Some choice state questions on the ballot last year), but Oklahoma’s admin needs to be anticipating this scenario and doing what they can.
Oklahoma should stick with Texas as long as the BigXII is feasible. It’s Oklahoma State that Oklahoma needs to get away from. Texas cannot kill Oklahoma, but trying to save OSU will. It’s not Texas, it’s OSU.
But while I agree that it’s definitely in Oklahoma’s interest to keep the status quo, I don’t see how it can last very long, and I don’t know what the plan is for after the BigXII
And this is where I think your thinking is wrong. It assumes the Big 12 will die. It assumes, that something will happen that will drastically change the landscape of college football.
What could that be? All the money came out this summer, to keep the Big 12, and to keep the current conference set up. It’s money that will dictate the future, and if the big money is NOT behind unzipping conferences, and super-conferences, then super-conferences won’t happen. With out money there is no reason for conferences to grow.
In fact, I think the opposite is more likely to occur. UT wants to be independent. USC is threatening. The SEC did the math and saw how a 10 team Big 12, actually makes more money than a 12 team big 12. The pressure is for smaller cuts of the pie to make more money per each school.
We had that chance this summer for super-conferences, and it just was too messy in real life. Conferences didn’t want to kick out long term members. Schools saw themselves as regional academic partners, not national athletic leagues. And most importantly…there was no money for super-conferences from the networks
Worst case: Could the Big 12 lose UT or even A&M? Yes. Does that mean the Big 12 dies? No There are just too many schools with no where else to go. Those schools form the heart and core of the Big 12.
Does that mean the Big 12 would lose some cache and TV money? Yes….but not a lot. The ACC is the worst BCS conference for wins…and they just got a HUGE TV contract, bigger than the Big 12’s current one. The Big Least is the worst for Eyeballs, and they are looking at a TV pay increase when they redo their deals. So…if the Big 12…fell to the level of the ACC…..they’d still be making big money. We are only talking a few million dollars per school per year difference.
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OSU big fish in a smaller pond
you are right on and correct with this. But you are missing one HUGE point. MONEY. Iowa State, makes 10 times the money in the Big 12, than TCU did in the MWC or Boise St, made in the WAC.
All of this has NOTHING to do with winning on the football field. It’s all about money. TV Network money, and for some schools, they hope, research money.
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good point about OSU
Although OSU is certainly competitive, and even better than OU, in most of the other sports, in football OU will always be king in Oklahoma. OSU would do themselves a service by moving to a weaker conference they can win. As you say they can pretend they are Boise State, even if they do lose to OU annually.
I may be wrong
but I thought the same issue was relevant last summer between the “U” and a&M – politics connected – as is implied between OU and the pukes. Basically a puke alum in the state legislature would vote AGAINST any proposal from an OU alum. If that is factual, then there should be sanctions against those childish folks.
I would think that the folks in stoolwater would have more pride than to admit that they need OU for their survival athletically. Oops, that’s right, it’s all about the money, so swallow your pride and do whatever it takes to make a buck.
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Oklahoma and Texas systems are different
Oklahoma’s only go through their board of regents. Oklahoma State and OU have 2 separate groups….BUT the head of EACH group is the Governor. And he has final say or the final signature. For the Governor to let OU go…and leave OSU behind, would hurt OSU…and as head of the Oklahoma Sate system, it’s the Governor’s responsibility to make sure OSU is not hurt. It’s also his responsibility to help OU (and OSU succeed). He also has to face an election every 4 years, and no politician wants to anger a whole block of voters.
Texas goes through it’s Regents…and then goes to the state Legislature, and then to the Governor. In the state legislature you have a lot more politicians with a lot more personal agendas. The U of Texas system has a lot of schools in it, and they are all looking out for their own interest, and wanting to attach themselves to UT’s coat tail…the biggest of these is the University of Houston. UT, wants to avoid this.
Like OU…UT is in demand, it’s little brothers not so much. A&M is a fine little brother but, Tech and Houston are not. The more hangers on, the less attractive UT becomes, and the less conferences can fit them in.
A&M is in a different section with the other Land Grant colleges, which includes Texas Tech.
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The University of Houston is in no way affiliated with UT. It is a state school and receives funding from the state, but that’s the only way we are alike.
UT and A&M are connected in one very important way: Permanent University Fund. Both systems receive big dollars from state oil & gas, etc. The other state schools were left out of that windfall.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jan 22, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
yep...my mistake
UofH is a public state university, but I thought it was part of the UT system. UofH is it’s own system. Thanks for pointing that out. and thanks for reading
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UH actually is a system....
with its own underlings… UH Downtown, UH Victoria, UH Clear Lake and UH Katy
I'm a Sooner Born and a Sooner Bred, and when I die I'll be a Sooner Dead!!!
You are right about our politicians and how they influence decisions regarding athletics in state institutions. Several legislators want to bring UH and Tech up to Tier One status, like UT and A&M, by throwing more money and bringing in more research dollars. Great idea, but with our economy the way it is, education funding will be extremely low on the agenda. But if they decide to see this idea through, we could be even more tied to A&M and Tech than before.
What we have here is a failure to execute.
by dimecoverage on Jan 23, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Regarding a comment in the article ..
“The Big 12 has been a financial boon to OU over the Big 8 days. OU was bleeding money before, and now OU is one of the few Athletic Departments in the country currently in the black..”
I’d disagree about the Big 12 being that much of an impact for OU. OU was bleeding money, true, but it wasn’t because of the Big 8 conference. OU was bleeding money because the fans were disgusted at the state of OU football and no longer selling out every game or going to good bowl games. Let’s not forget OU ran off Switzer because he wasn’t enough of a daddy to the grown men on his team, and then the administration refused to let Gary Gibbs pick his own staff. As a consequence OU slipped into utter mediocrity over the next half decade after Switzer was gone. Season tickets, which had been sold out for 2 or 3 years in advance suddenly weren’t being bought. In fact that fat pig David Boren wouldn’t have done ANYTHING to resurrect OU’s football program if it wasn’t for the fact that ticket revenues had dropped so much and alumni donations dwindled to almost nothing as a consequence.
The first 3 years OU was in the Big 12 was arguably the worst time in Sooner history as OU continued to lose big money from ticket sales, TV revenue, and bowl revenue (the Blake “era”).
I’m just saying the Big 12 didn’t rescue OU as implied by the article. OU rescued itself by getting an outstanding coach. And OU wouldn’t have done that if alumni donations hadn’t dropped and tickets had continued selling out. We finally forced that sorry bastard David Boren to act, against his will, to save the program.
well…I did say it wasn’t all the Big 12, but good management by Castiglione.
BUT…of all the schools in the Big 12..which one improved financially the most? That’s OU. OU has benefited the most from and under the Big 12 the most.
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I do pretty much agree with everything else, I’m just maintaining that OU’s economic fortunes have reversed more because of the team’s success, more than being in a different conference.
Thanks for the article. It was a good read.
you're welcome
I think it’s a chicken and an egg situation..and I’m not sure which really was the biggest. That’s why I say it was Castiglione management and cover both ends. He maximized the Big 12, and the on field situation, and turned it all around.
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