Here's my issue with OU men's basketball
Fair warning up front, this is pure rant. Probably won't be organized or possibly even coherent, but this is just frustration overflowing and I need an outlet. Maybe my point/headline should be addressed more specifically to the program in general because I think that is the crux of the problem. So I'm just as aware as anyone who follows this team that for lack of a better word they pretty much suck. Look, I hate to have to say that about any OU team but trying to call it anything else would just be dishonest. They aren't as talented as some D-II teams, they had to take bodies just to fill out a roster with guys who would probably never earn a D-I scholarship at any other school, and on just about every night they will easily be out-talented by a significant margin. All that said, WHO FREAKING CARES!!!!!!!!
I don't want to have to wake up the day after an OU basketball game, a 13-point loss, and read articles like this. It's nothing personal against the guy who wrote it or the paper he works for. I don't care if you have to try and sell papers (good luck with that), I don't care for your political correctness, I don't care if you're honesty prevents Jeff Capel from ever giving you a quote for the rest of your career. Quit feeding us this b.s. This team is awful. This team is going to lose a ton of games. Last night wasn't a sign of hope, it was just another loss. Staying just close enough to give you the impression, perhaps more accurately the false hope, that we could win this game shouldn't be enough to make Sooner fans "hopeful." And this is the point I'm trying to make, when we as fans start to accept games like last night as "good enough" as the writer tries to sell us on, then we're screwed. When losing by 13 points is "ok" then this basketball program will never, ever be what some of us think it should be.
The state of this program as it is today should illicit vitriol in Sooner Nation. I don't care that OU was/is/always will be a football school. OU not being in the top 100 in the country for basketball is a joke and believe me if I weren't respectful of CC's cursing policy there would be a lot of other words I could use to describe it. I'm mean I'm not crazy, this is still the University of Oklahoma right? The program that has produced players like Mookie Blaylock, Stacey King, Hollis Price, Eduardo Najera, Ebi Ere, Kevin Bookout, Taj Gray, Aaron McGhee, Blake Griffin, among countless others. The program that was a fixture in the NCAA tourney and always competed for the Big 8 title and was always competitive in the Big 12. It's not like this second to football type program like Alabama or an Auburn (there is probably better examples) who's basketball program could not exist and nobody would really care. This is not OU, or least it shouldn't be and yet presently it almost feels as if that could be the case not many people would really care. This is a basketball program with a proud history and yeah sure it's always going to be 2nd place (at best) to football, but that sure as hell isn't reason enough to accept this suckitude. I'm fully aware that this is almost assuredly a pointless effort on my part, it's obvious at most home games that most OU fans don't care about this basketball program (a generality to be sure, so if that's not you then cool that statement obviously doesn't apply to you). But I just don't care any longer, I can't stand it that this program has been allowed to sink to this level.
I'm remember OU winning growing up as a kid, I remember OU playing KU in the championship game, I remember the great Billy Tubbs teams, and I remember the boring as hell to watch but at least they won games Kelvin Sampson teams, I definitely remember getting to see Blake Griffin in person and just how awesome that was. And it's all those reasons that make me sick to see what this program has become and the apparent fact that people seem to be ready to accept it.
I'm just one guy and I am certainly not wealthy enough to matter in the eyes of OU, so I don't expect to make any kind of difference other than voicing my incredibly disappointed opinion. I'm not saying you have to care, I'm not saying you have to be as upset as I am, and I'm definitely not saying I'm a better OU fan because I care and you might not. I'm just saying this current men's basketball program is unacceptable. It's embarrassing and something needs to be done about it. I don't claim to have the solution, hell I think this team and program are WAY beyond some quick fix. But something needs to be done and in a hurry because when the general consensus (which based on today's article appears to be the case) seems to be that OU fans should be happy that our Sooners "fought hard" against Baylor in a 13-point loss then it is a sad day for Sooner Nation in my opinion.
Losing, no matter the sport and regardless of the opponent, or our perceived talent level (or lack thereof), or whatever, will never be "acceptable" to this OU fan. Yes, I'm fully aware that every OU team isn't going to win every game they every play in. And yes I'm quite confident there will be a day, likely more than just one I'm sure, where an OU team will be clearly outmatched compared to their opponent. But despite all of that, I will ALWAYS be rooting for my Sooner to win and will ALWAYS be disappointed if it doesn't happen. The day I stop caring about any OU team losing, I'll be as they say Sooner dead, and even then I'm pretty confident I'm still going to be pissed off my Sooners just lost.
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Well said
Living in Kansas, I’ve turned my attention to Wichita State during basketball season. Right now, OU is so bad that it’s not worth the trouble to try and keep up. Everytime I see a headline, someone has quit the team or they’ve just been spanked by some average team or squeaked by an FCS or D-II squad.
Nice rant
the problem first and fore most is the coach. Coach Capel has to go. I have a good friend that got to meet him all most 3 years ago, and said that guy was a complete jerk. He was too good to mingle with boosters at an event set up to mingle with boosters. That’s never good.
I know for a fact that their was talk of firing Capel last year. However, the powers that be, decided, that this year the team was going to lose no matter who was the coach, so they decided to keep Capel and pay him to coach the team, rather than pay him to not coach it, and another to coach it.
PLUS…..it’s not like theirs a huge demand for firing the coach from the fans or boosters. They really don’t care enough to demand his firing.
Which brings us to the next big issue: The 2nd issue that needs to be fixed, is something I don’t know if it can be fixed, and that is fan apathy. Why do I think that is an issue? Well, it IS a little chicken and egg question, but the fans don’t care. They don’t show up an buy tickets, even when OU is winning, and especially not when they are losing. When a coach tries to bring in a recruit, and they see and empty building, and he goes to his next stop and sees a packed house full of screaming fans…which one would he want to go to?
I’d point out that OU’s decline in attendance which was never that great to begin with also coincides with the OKC Thunder coming to town.
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Smart move to not bring on a new coach and still have to pay Capel this season IMO
But when do you move past that? Capel is in contract through the 2013-14 season…at some point the university is going to have to make a choice: keep losing and not paying out to 2 coaches or hire a new coach and pay 2 coaches but start winning and putting butts in seats. Capel is out and it is now on the university to hire a new coach sooner or later, but I am under the impression that OU is buying time by letting Capel stay until a quality coach is found and is interested.
I think some of the declining attendance had to do
With Sampson’s style of play.
by SoonerDutch on Jan 12, 2011 10:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps
a coach who brings an up-tempo, score some points and d-your-ass-up style would field a product more attractive to fans. Would for me…
Agreed on the Sampson thing. Those games were awful to watch, but at least they won.
+100
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by Jordan Esco on Jan 13, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know about that..
Coach K’s style of play at Duke isn’t the most exciting either, but their fans show up in droves because the team WINS. True, Duke is a bball school and OU isn’t, but fans always show up when a team is outstanding, regardless of the style of play.
please define
a quality coach who will be interested in the basketball job at OU. I fear that OU basketball may become a “stepping stone” for that quality coach who needs experience as a head coach prior to moving on. When OU had Blake Griffin, arguably the BEST player OU has ever had, they did NOT fill LNC, and that was pre-Thunder.
Team FIRST, Effort SECOND, Talent THIRD, Selfish NEVER
A quality coach is
a coach who understands what it takes to win inside of what the program is capable of producing. OU has not been the greatest draw of McDonald’s AA’s and Sampson understood that. So what did he do? He recruited 4-year players that he could develop into stars under his system regardless if they would go on to play in the NBA or not. Think of all the Hollis Price’s or Kevin Bookout’s out there. If Capel did not have the UNC background I think he would be able to do this but his mindset is that he needs to be comparable to UNC and its program and it simply does not fit OU. We need a coach who will turn back to that 4-year type of player approach and then implement their system on those players who will execute instead of trying to raise their draft stock to leave early. Sure this approach works for Calipari but he is at a powerhouse school.
As far as LNC…I don’t ever expect OU to be able to fill that place unless they host the NCAA tourney there, which is not possible with the OK Arena being downtown.
thanks
you make valid points and i agree that personally i would rather not deal with McD AA; pardon me for being picky but capel is duke, not unc
Team FIRST, Effort SECOND, Talent THIRD, Selfish NEVER
I guess what I should have said is Capel comes from a Basketball first school
which OU clearly is not
sorry
wasn’t trying to be an ahole about duke/unc – just what i do. Feel free to point out my mistakes in the future because i will make them.
Ideally, at least for me, would be 8-10K butts in LNC per game; finish in the top half of the league routinely; occasionally even compete for a title; routinely make the ncaa tournament. NEVER gestapo investigation into athletic programs and never mess with McD AA – accept the basketball program for what it is.
Team FIRST, Effort SECOND, Talent THIRD, Selfish NEVER
The UNC/Duke thing didn't bother me at all...was just thinking Capel with no first name
and I can remember Jason Capel playing at UNC when I watched basketball as a youngster. No biggie.
Making the NCAA tourney is a big one and I think it should be written in to the contract…must make the NCAA tourney within x amount of years.
I like your list of ex-OU players ...
however, HOW COULD YOU FORGET WAYMAN TISDALE? :( i know … i know … i’m being picky & you were ranting … e-z to forget.
Certainly didn't forget him, just trying to stay a little more recent
But you make an excellent point and he should have been included. He was one of the greatest Sooners of all time (regardless of sport) and it was a major error on my part not to include him.
I feel confident in speaking for almost every Sooner fan on this one that he may be gone, but he sure as hell isn’t forgotten!
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That was my first thought....
….Ebi ‘freaking’ Ere, but not the late, great Wayman.
So Ebi Eerie in Tulsa high school ball
Becomes Ebi Uh-rah at OU… That’s always cracked me up
by OU JJ on Jan 12, 2011 10:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Where is Austin Johnson when you need him?!?
by OU JJ on Jan 12, 2011 4:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Probably
But not saying much.
Cal Newell could throw the ball into Blake Griffin just as well.
by SoonerDutch on Jan 13, 2011 12:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Austin generally gave good effort in my opinion
I probably liked his game more than most because I went to college with his dad. He did what he could with the physical issues he was faced with.
by It'sTheVoice on Jan 15, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Okay, I was fine with the whole turn of events until I read that:
"They’re just more talented. Let’s be honest," Capel said. "The guy they say could be the No. 1 pick played like it. And you have a guy (LaceDarius Dunn) who might become the all-time leading scorer in Big 12 history. You have two guys like that, it’s pretty good."
Even if you think that, as the head coach you shouldn’t say it out loud. Wow.
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by dishingoutdimes on Jan 13, 2011 1:30 AM CST reply actions
+1000000000000000000000
That along with his quote marvelling about the Jones III kid just put me over the top. Probably an overreaction on my part admittedly, but when I read stuff like this I can’t help but start to feel like he’s already quit on this season.
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by Jordan Esco on Jan 13, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Does "Lil Romeo" still ride the bench for USC?
If so, we should try to get him. We should also snag some kids from to Sarkey Complex (the new name of the rec center). I’ll give anyone a chance.
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by OUPest on Jan 13, 2011 4:29 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Miss-print
Remember at the beginning of the season when they put us as #11 in the big 12…I thought it was a typo…

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