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In what will probably be labeled as another "instant classic", Boise State topped Virginia Tech at FedEx Field in Landover, Maryland Monday night 33-30. The "structure of the game" actually paralleled the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, in that Boise State jumped out to a big lead early, the other team fought back to lead the game with about 2 minutes left, and then Boise State charged back for victory.

Of course, this result has huge implications for the college football world. Boise was already ranked #3 in the Preseason AP Poll, and #5 in the Coaches Poll. But, as we all know, with the BCS the human polls are only part of the equation. The 6 computer rankings are factored in, with the low and high value thrown out, and then averaged together to get 1/3 of the BCS raw score. Last year, undefeated Boise State was ranked dead even by the computers with a 2-loss Oregon team who they had beaten at the beginning of the season! (This is important!)

So, quite simply, this victory does not automatically pencil Boise State into the National Championship Game. The Broncos will be hurt by two large factors at play:

  • The computers will be forced to take into account their horrible strength-of-schedule, and this will allow teams behind them in the human polls to creep up on them in terms of BCS points.
  • Their big win came in the first week of the season. Human voters tend to follow a "what have you done for me lately" mantra late in the season.

The larger question, though, is still whether or not Boise State deserves to play for the national championship. I say yes, qualified with a condition. IF they do not comprise a group of 3 or more undefeated FBS teams, with the other 2 or more coming from power conferences. I think the Broncos proved tonight that they are a tough, well-coached team who can go into a hostile environment and get a win - even under tough circumstances. If they run the table, they deserve the shot. However, they still play in an embarrassingly easy conference, and if there are undefeated teams from automatic qualifying conferences, the other teams should still get the nod.

What do you think? Chime in down below in the comments section! More analysis after the jump.

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I just had to make this graph, because I think it perfectly illustrates the problem that most people have with Boise State. Since they've been promoted to the top division of college football in 1996, only 6 of their 134 victories have come against teams ranked in the final AP Top 25 Poll. That's only 4.48% of their games, a decidedly minuscule percentage. Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt, and only include 2006-2009 when Chris Petersen was their coach and they started scheduling a few more difficult non-conference games, and really rose to national prominence, the percentage of their wins against Top 25 teams is still only 10.2%. 

In that same time span, for comparison, 19% of OU's victories were against Top 25 teams, 22.7% of Ohio State's were, and 27.1% of Florida's were. Also consider that all of these types of teams would have probably won more games if they had played in the WAC, and yet they were still able to put up similar win totals to Boise State.

Look, I'm still skeptical that Boise State could run the table in any of the automatic qualifying conference (yes, including the Big East) and I doubt they could run the table in the Mountain West Conference this year, either. However, I'll give them credit, they took the initiative this year and scheduled what was essentially a road game against a Top 10 team. They won this game with an impressive performance. If they're undefeated at the end of the season, and they did that, then sure, what the heck, I'll give them a shot at the crystal ball.

For those of you who don't like the BCS, you're going to have to root against Boise State. Imagine for a second that Boise State got admitted to the BCS Title Game, and won it. That will show that teams from non-AQ conferences can compete for the title, and will likely only act to entrench the current system.

What do you think?

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Thought it was exactly what I expected it to be. Va tech is hugely largely overrated again. They played poorly & sloppily thru out. Piss poor les miles clock mgmt the last 3 mins of the game. Boise played well. Solid effort, good plan, good execution. Doesn’t make them world beaters though. I have no issue with saying they ate/were the better team tonite. However, va tech was slightly better than mediocre. Borel is a better qb than Tyrod Taylor.

by OU JJ on Sep 7, 2010 12:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I disagree with OU JJ completely.

Both teams looked spectacular. I thought this was a great match, and maybe the best game we’ll see all season.

I, for one, want Boise State to succeed. I would love it if they played in the BCS championship game. I’m a fan of the movie “Hoosiers,” which can no longer happen in state basketball in Indiana and could never happen in BCS football until these guys came along.

I think it’s better for OU, too. Do we want to be the guys who lost to college football’s version of Northern Iowa (a la Kansas last year) or college football’s version of Gonzaga (who spent five years proving they’re not a Cinderella)?

Let’s man up and face it, this is a good program.

In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"

by SaintSooner on Sep 7, 2010 6:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Again no problem w/Boise being the better team last night. But va tech was not spectacular. B.s.u w/ no time outs & va tech calling pass plays??? Va tech was sloppy & undisciplined thru out.

by OU JJ on Sep 7, 2010 6:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

this team beat Miami last year even though they lost a lot of starters VTech should have been able to beat BS State. VTech had absolutely no pass rush, crappy tackling and no secondary. Hmmm. sounds similar to OU defense.

by scarab on Sep 7, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

The same argument remains

Anybody can “get up” for one or two games a year, but until you have to do it week in and week out it will never be a fair comparison. Doesn’t mean they can’t still be a good to great football team because that’s certainly what they looked like last night. But when you only have to win two games all year to be considered for the MNC, it’s hard to justify giving them that spot over another major conference team.

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by jtesooner on Sep 7, 2010 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Its all Realtive

While I don’t believe that, even if the Broncos do run the table that they should get a shot at the NC, I still think your logic of ‘playing week in and week out’ is flawed.

If they BSU were in a BCS conference, they would also be afforded all of the benefits that come with inclusion.

Coach Petersen has knack for finding players in the rough that were overlooked by other teams. He then takes these under-rated players and turns them into an efficient program. Couple that with some great coaching, and you’ve got yourself a really potent team.

In the WAC, they go undefeated and are at the top of the conference. And that is with the scraps that are available to them.

In a BCS conference, they would get a better pool of recruits from which to select, BCS money, improved facilities, more exposure and better competition. But the gains would be relative, because ultimately, it comes down to utilizing the skill players that you DO have, and coaching – and both of those are independent of conference affiliation.

So while I agree with you that they don’t deserve a shot at a NC, I disagree that they would lose ground if they were part of a BCS conference.

by CA2010 on Sep 7, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Boise St in the GROUP

with Alabama, Ohio St, Oregon, Florida, TCU, or Texas? Yes

Are they one or two out of 119 FBS schools? No, I don’t think so, AND we’ll never really know for sure. They were slightly better than Va Tech yesterday. If beating Va Tech means you get to go to the BCS National Championship game, than Miami should have been playing Alabama last year.

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by Redhawk on Sep 7, 2010 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

VA Tech

Beat Miami last year. But we in ACC country know that once Miami and Florida State get their act going, VA Tech will be the third best team. Again this why the ACC does not get respect. When Virginia Tech, who can not win a big game if their lives depended on it, is your best team you have problems. Even a crappy FSU team has beaten BYU, WVU, and Wisconsin over the last couple of years.

by Mateo9399 on Sep 7, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

So they are roughly #7…. va tech # 15 at best…

by OU JJ on Sep 7, 2010 11:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Where does that leave us?

Hey, this is college football. Our championship metrics were screwed long before the BCS came around.

I think the Boise-as-Gonzaga analogy holds true. Their conference doesn’t diminish that. How many times a year does Ohio State get to beat up on Indiana?

In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"

by SaintSooner on Sep 7, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

If VT doesn't come out flat

Boise has no chance in this game. Also VT defense is young and inexperienced.

Boise is overrated as usual. Sure they can play with anyone for one game if they have weeks to rest. Let them play a real schedule like playing tenn lsu bama Georgia Florida in a five week span. They would be 8 wins at best even in the big 12. It’s the weekly grind that other teams face in real conferences that is what they never have to face.

Also if you want respect, play on a real green field like everyone else does. It’s a nice little story but it stops there

by AllenOU on Sep 7, 2010 11:56 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

BCS Coolaid!

Boise is a tired feel good story of a year ago. Lets face it… beating a very disorganized and undisciplined VT by 3 points and letting them score 30 on you does not make you a BCS contender. Only the extremely weak schedule allows for Bronco Survival. If an SEC power had played the VT that showed up last Saturday, it would have been UGLY!

by undex on Sep 8, 2010 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

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