WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA! Wait... What?
That pretty much sums up my thoughts about two-thirds of the way through the second quarter of saturday's game against Utah State. I count myself among those who figured that A) Oklahoma hangs half a hundred on the Aggies, and B) the Aggies wouldn't score more than 10ish. And, at 21-0 it looked about right. But... well we all know what happened. I proudly will wash my crow down with a glass of iced cold reality.
Also, no... Oklahoma does not usually struggle in the first game. At least not against teams like USU. And if you think we need new assistant coaches I'm guessing you weren't a fan in 2008 when Oklahoma had the most potent offense in modern college football, or in 2009 when Oklahoma ranked 8th in the nation in total defense. Because if you were a fan before, oh say yesterday, you would remember those kinds of (very, very recent) things. But hey, knee jerk reactions are common after a first week brain-cramp. Not calling anybody out in particular, but take a deep breath... and count to ten.
Realistically, Utah State had no business being able stay in this game until there were four minutes left. Landry Jones was BAD. The secondary was BAD. Those observations are obvious. But lets take a look at some other conversations going on around the water cooler... well going on in my head at least.
The "don't throw yourself off a building" perspective:
So Utah State head coach Gary Andersen was the defensive coordinator at Utah in 2008 when the Utes went undefeated and handled Alabama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl. He's obviously got some skills to play giant killer. Also, I have to believe that the Aggies were focused on two teams coming into this season, Oklahoma and Boise State. No matter how hard the coaches were trying to get the players to focus on Utah State in the previous weeks, most 18-22 year-olds are going to be focused on next week's match-up against Florida State. Utah State played their hearts out, and I commend them for it. In an all or nothing match-upagainst one of the biggest of the big boys, Gary Andersen and Co. are going to be a lot more aggressive with the play book. I'd be shocked if Kevin Wilson wasn't holding back for match-ups against FSU and UT. In a game where Oklahoma appeared to have every advantage on paper, clearly the intangibles got the best of them.
I don't know exactly what was going on in the heads of the players and coaching staff of the Sooners. However, they obviously weren't keyed up and ready to go dominate. I was having flashbacks of recent losses to TCU, Boise State, West Virginia, and BYU. All games I feel Oklahoma was capable of winning. The difference is that the Sooners weren't playing TCU, WVU, BSU, or BYU. And maybe this is a good thing. You know our boys like to just come out and astound everyone with an extremely sub-par performance every now and then. Perhaps this will be their ONE time this year. Of course, it could be indicative of things to come, but wouldn't it be nice if the Sooners for once had that really sub-par performance against a team they didn't have to be good against to beat.
I'm not a completely silver lining type of guy, but this is the silver lining part of the post. So, that said... if a lot of Oklahoma's problems were due to first game jitters, over-confidence/looking ahead, and conservative play calling, then there's a good chance that the players and coaches will change their ways rapidly. Also, Landry Jones was a little bi-polar last year. For instance, against BYU he completed 6 passes for 51 yards. And that's it. That's all he did. Next two games he threw for a combined 622 yards and 9 TDs to 3 INTs. Against Miami and Texas he combined for 438 yards 2 TDs and 2 INTs. Next two games, 546 yards with 6 TDs to 1 INT. Then there's 245 yards and 5 INTs against Nebraska followed by 392 yards 5 TDs and 1 INT against Texas A&M. Oklahoma State and Stanford reflect the same kind of fluctuation. Here's to hoping we catch him on the upswing against Florida State. I'm not going to make excuses for the secondary other than to say their young. They better grow up very fast.
The "You may want to sit this season out" perspective:
Utah State? Utah friggin'State!?!? I don't care how "up and coming" they may be, or that the Aggies were 9 points away from being a 7 win team last year. They were a 4 win team last year. Period. Sure they have an athletic QB and Oklahoma struggles with athletic QBs at times. But those QBs played for teams like Missouri, Texas, Nebraska, and Florida. Not UTAH FRIGGIN' STATE! Look, the only way I say "Okay, maybe it wasn't that bad" is if the Aggies win at least 7 games (preferably more) and beats Boise State. And even then I have to pretend like the game was played in Austin with only Longhorns and Utah State fans in attendance. And John Blake and Schnellenberger taking turns calling plays on the sidelines. I'm okay with OUstruggling against a mediocre opponent at home if they make the necessary improvements afterwards . However, I refuse to elevate the Aggies to a team that would be capable of this performance on a regular basis.
Landry Jones looked like he made negative progression over the off-season. And I've never thought a secondary that came up with 3 INTs looked so transparent. Demarco Murray looks ready to carry the "Adrian Peterson carrying an inept offense to victory" torch, but the guy shouldn't have to. And how did the offensive line forget how to pass block but learn how to run block? My heart wants to say these factors all combined for the perfect storm, but my head tells me the Sooners have too many question marks in too many areas to pull through the meat of the schedule. In 2005 and 2009 the team was incomplete and took all season to look like a contender. Despite an entire off-season to cure last years woes, it appears that Oklahoma will have a repeat of those years. Ughhhhh....
So what does it all mean anyways?
Well I'm thinking it's not the worst thing in the world to struggle against a mediocre team at home in the opening game of the season. I have faith in the coaching staff and the talent Oklahoma puts on the field. Florida's offense looked pathetic through the first three quarters against Miami (OH) but I have a hard time believing they won't get their act together and have a solid season. Texas looked less than stellar against Rice. Yeah, I think Utah State is 10 points better than Rice, who won all of two games in 2009 by a combined 9 points. Also, that game may have been in Houston, but Rice averaged 13,552 persons per game in attendance last season. Yesterday's game against Texas hosted 70,445. Something tells me the extra 57,000 or so wasn't the Rice faithful. I do agree that that game wasn't as close to the score, but if UT finds themselves in as many third and long situations in Big 12 play as they did yesterday, then it may be a long season for the 'Horns as well as the Sooners. However, I still think UT irons out the kinks in the weeks to come.
And that may be the hardest pill to swallow for Sooners fans. Three traditional powerhouses performed below expectations on saturday. Florida has until October until the trip to Tuscaloosa. Texas has until October until the showdown in Dallas. Oklahoma has until saturday before the Seminoles come to Norman. If you need a little comfort, know that Samford is an FCS team that finished 5-6 in 2009. And Christian Ponder may be the best QB Oklahoma faces off against all year, but he should be in the pocket much more than Diondre Borel was saturday. I'm expecting a close game and another nail-biter against the 'Noles... unless we don't make any adjustments. In that case, you can go ahead and throw yourself off a building.
And to my brother in law, no I don't think a win is a win. An ugly win is a win and I'll call the game against Utah State a wake up call if the Sooners come out and compete for the Big 12 Championship. I'll call it a sign of things to come if there is a repeat of last season. Hoping for the wake up call.
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Too bad......
Murrays performance got buried under this pile o poop
USU
Not that this is at all a compliment, but this is the same USU team that took A&M to the wire at Kyle Field same weekend last year, wuth Borel throwing into the end zone to try to get it tied up with the the PAT & under 1 minute to play. Saying that means that our defense playing like Aggies last year, which is fairly accurate.
Assistant comment
Look, I get the “2008” argument but that was two years ago now so how long does that really still apply? The fact of the matter is that year was just special with respect to the collective talent we had on offense. Now that doesn’t mean you can’t give Wilson some kind of credit, so if you’re giving him credit for 2008 why can’t the rest of us give him some blame for the offense since that season? We are all aware that big time college football is a “what have you done for me lately” sport and the offense has struggled under Wilson’s reign since losing all that 2008 talent.
I’m just not sure how any OU fan can watch our offense and not think it is predictable at times? There is very rarely if ever any kind of misdirection plays in the running game, which when called in the past have been very successful. I also know for a fact there are plays they could run to get other players besides Broyles involved in the offense, but they don’t seem to make any effort to do that either.
"Ronnell is a freak of nature. Anybody that big, powerful and fast shouldn't be allowed on the field. That's Ronnell. You saw in the Kansas game when he knocked that guy out, he changed the whole game."
HIGHLY PREDICTABLE!!! my 4 y/o knows when it is going to the gasman and when they are calling a stupid running play that they wait around until 5 seconds are left on the clock & rush to the line to try to call…..
But as we know my kids are special! LOL!
Agreed
Maybe you can help me understand why these coaches who are paid hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars are above reproach? Sometimes it’s not simply enough to line up and say “I’m just going to blow your you know what off the ball” and that appears to be the extent of his philosophy when it comes to our running game. Even if you “out athlete” the other team, which certainly is not going to be the case in every game, why would you just rely on that?Unfortunately, our line has proven that even if they are better on paper they aren’t going to just line up and dominate. So wouldn’t a little creativity only aid to your success?
"Ronnell is a freak of nature. Anybody that big, powerful and fast shouldn't be allowed on the field. That's Ronnell. You saw in the Kansas game when he knocked that guy out, he changed the whole game."
They're not above reproach, but considering the
Situation at hand, I would blame Heupel before I blame Wilson. It’s pretty obvious that Landry struggled, so as a playcaller what would you do? Keep the ball in a struggling Landry’s hands or give the ball to your tailback who has been having some success. Furthermore are you going to pull out all the stops in order to put two or three scores up on Utah State?
I think (the lack of) player execution is limiting a great deal what Wilson can and cannot do with regards to his playcalling.
by SoonerDutch on Sep 6, 2010 10:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am more irritated by the bonehead play calling. I get “give the young guys experience” but not at the expense of the defense. So OU had the ball 3 & 10 (I think) is the gasman in the slot? NO! Jermie Calhoun is. Is Demarco Murray in the backfield? NO! Not even on the field. Is Miller in the game as a flex/TE looking? NO. We got all freshman & Kenney (who played well) & it is incomplete pass. So it s 4th & 10 from the USU 39 & we punt. Does Way try to shank it? No, does he aim for the sideline, NO! So instead of having at worst case a 4th & 5 or so that you go for from the 34, we have 4 th & 10 & Way boots out of the end zone for a 19 yard punt…. REALLY! Come on! Thats just not smart I dont care who you are playing or what game it is.
Honestly the offense looked totally scropted with no deviation from the plays that are set to run. I dont blame Landry for looking like poop in that case. NO one was on the same page in the context of the game. I say that because when we needed to move the ball we did! Most of the 3 rd qrtr we played without a FB ahead of Murray.
Fair point Dutch
And if Landry continues to struggle then you’re right that Heupel should shoulder a majority of the blame. But if UT can get to a national championship game throwing nothing but five yard passes all day, I think despite his struggles Landry was capable of doing just the same on Saturday night. So calling quick slants that are some of the easiest passes to pick off when your QB stares down the WR before he takes the snap is something Wilson needs to recognize and adjust.
"Ronnell is a freak of nature. Anybody that big, powerful and fast shouldn't be allowed on the field. That's Ronnell. You saw in the Kansas game when he knocked that guy out, he changed the whole game."
Well technically we are only one full season away from 2008.
And 2009 saw an OU offense plagued by an unnatural amount of injuries and still produced fantastic numbers for a redshirt freshman QB who wasn’t expected to play much.
It appears that many people want Wilson to open the play book against a lower teir WAC team whom OU never trailed. I mean the fact that he resisted the urge to open the play book when the team was ahead for the entire game is a good thing. In my opinion don’t show FSU anything you don’t have to.
I know assitants are different than head coaches, but remember Nebraska firing Frank Solich? Remember Texas A&M pushing R.C. Slocum out the door for Franchione? Coaching changes don’t magically fix a fan bases percieved problems. Not saying you can’t complain about the assistants, but people act like we haven’t dominated the Big 12 for a decade with the current assistants on staff for much of that time. Be careful what you wish for.
it's game time
As a Nole fan I am excited for this week’s match-up. I am expecting a much better showing from the OU team. I am guessing the team lost focus after jumping out to a 21 point lead.
USU had a chip on their shoulder
Everyone referred to it as a glorified scrimmage for OU. No one took them seriously in the slightest bit. How would you feel if every reporter, tv broadcast just overlooked the possibility that you could challenge a traditional power. We know how Boise State reacted. Don’t under-estimate the power of pi$$ing off college athletes. Give em credit for lighting a fire under the teams collective a$$.
I’d also like to think that the coaches were just playing things pretty safe. As everyone mentioned the offense was so predictable it was laughable. I really want to think it was too awful to be the real deal. Would you bring out the big guns for USU?
I'll be looking for.....
1) Landry to develop some chemistry w/ someone other than Broyles
2) Get some production out of the TE position
3) Getting the other running backs involved (Clay in the slot)
4) Stills to stretch the field
5) The corners to make some plays (pass break ups)
6) QB sacks (we gotta have em from Beal & Co.)
7) Solid special teams play
Success on 1 thru 7 = OU WIN!
Please help me understand
This belief that Ponder is incapable of being hit?
"Ronnell is a freak of nature. Anybody that big, powerful and fast shouldn't be allowed on the field. That's Ronnell. You saw in the Kansas game when he knocked that guy out, he changed the whole game."
3 sacks per 100 pass plays last year
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Unless it's zero
He can still be hit and I’m quite certain Venables has something ready for him.
"Ronnell is a freak of nature. Anybody that big, powerful and fast shouldn't be allowed on the field. That's Ronnell. You saw in the Kansas game when he knocked that guy out, he changed the whole game."
He can be hit. It's just really hard to do.
BYU got him in the knee. NC St. broke his ribs. And Clemson separated his shoulder. Much of that was Ponder’s own doing. Hopefully he will have the maturity to know to slide rather than heave himself against a DB to try to pick up an extra yard. Against Clemson, Ponder separated his shoulder by leading with his throwing shoulder when making a tackle after a turnover. For the most part, Ponder has great pocket presence and gets rid of the ball pretty quickly. If the pocket starts to collapse, he’ll roll out and he can throw well while on the run. If a lane opens up and no one i open, he’ll take off and run down-field. Our line is solid, our backs pick up blitzes really well, and Ponder is really good at reading defenses and getting rid of the ball. He has the fastest shuttle time on the team and that quickness allows him to side step the rush and get out of the pocket. He can be hit, it’s just really hard to do.
If I was OU, I’d probably just rush 4 and leave a spy on Ponder. Maybe blitz here and there or send a backer and drop a DL into coverage to mix things up some. Even if the passes get completed, a way to have some success against our O is to minimize YAC and get some turnovers by causing the WRs to fumble. Our WRs are pretty good at being patient and waiting for down field blocking to develop. Last year, they were not very good at hanging on to the football while trying to get YAC.
Ponder also changes the play a fair amount at the line based upon his pre-snap reads. If it is loud, I would be concerned about our young WRs getting the right play. If they run to the wrong spot on a timing pattern, i.e. break in instead of break out, you might get some turnovers if your guys are in position to make a play.
The defenses that were most successful against us last year didn’t blitz very much. From what I understand, OU has some young corners who could use the help in coverage.
It's not loud like Clemson or UF
But I’m sure it’ll be noisy.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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Exactly, Ponder is typically hit when he decides to run
He’s be the best QB OU faces this year by far
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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like OU has never played a good QB
you know OU has won a game or two and has played a couple of good QB’s.
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you are right
Ponder is the greatest QB EVER…OU has no chance.
When was the last time FSU beat OU?
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That's not what I said.
In a different post, I listed the impressive numbers Ponder had in many of last season’s games and noted that FSU had a 2-4 record in those 6 games. A stellar performance by Ponder does not equal a win for FSU.
OU might be able to stop Ponder, but that’s like saying FSU will be able to stop Murray. Thinking that OU will rattle Ponder is like thinking Murray will be afraid of getting hit by our LBs. Thinking Ponder will throw 2 INTs is like thinking Murray will fumble a couple of times.
Ponder is a Heisman candidate and will likely be drafted in the 1st round if he can stay healthy. The weakest link in our offense is a young and as yet unproven receiving corps. Our Achilles heel on O last year was fumbling, particularly by the WRs.
Last year’s dismal record was primarily due to the total absence of FSU putting any D whatsoever on the field. Now we have a Stoops running the D, but the scheme is drastically different and our D is incredibly young. They are talented guys, but young guys and guys playing a new scheme are likely to have lapses in execution. OU is favored pretty heavily to win as they should be. One guy can’t beat a top 10 team on the road all by himself.
I expect the stars for both teams to play well and suspect that the team who turns the ball over more will be the one having the long day.
Man, what a game to look forward to !!
The last time the Noles won you ask?…1965. In the Gator Bowl. Speaking of which; of the four previous meetings between these two teams, all but one have been in bowl games. Oklahoma with an overall 4-1 winning record.
As a “dyed in the wool” Nole fan and Tallahassee native, I personally will never forget that 1979 or 1980 Orange Bowl when FSU came out in its first possession running the wishbone. Do what? Are you crazy? Run the wishbone (of all things) against Oklahoma? (of all teams) that perfected if not invented the wishbone. FSU owned the Sooners, outright…until the forth quarter when J. C. Watts came out throwing the ball against FSU. Do what? Are you crazy? Throw against FSU? The team that year that perfected if not re-invented the forward pass? Especially by a quarterback in J.C., that had not thrown a dozen passes all season long! The Sooners owned the Seminoles the rest of game and took the win. Dagnabit!
This last past week there was a great deal of hype for the game between Boise State and Virginia Tech. A game that lived-up to, delivered and even exceeded that hype. To my way of thinking such is the fate of this upcoming game between the Noles and the Sooners. This Saturday at game time, college football fans will indeed need to have their “head on a swivel” to keep track of all the great matchups across the country. But of those great games this one is the one to watch, no matter who your favorite team might be.
What is at stake?
For the Sooners, the home win streak. (Well done BTW !!!! A phenomenal accomplishment by anybody’s standard. Hats off, high fives, and a Seminoe Chop to boot!).
For the Seminoles, the return to prominence. National prominence, not just prominence in the much-maligned ACC. A Nole win here will even go so far as to help the ACC detractors retract their claws.
I feel the Noles to be a better team than its current ranking in the polls indicate. Which would pit them against a very good Sooner team on more even terms. The key match-ups considerable, the talent obvious, the outcome unpredictable. Or at least until you consider….
The Imponderables
There can be no doubt that this contest is going to be a lively one. One for the record books for sure and one for the ages as well. Be sure to set your TV recorder early as this game is going to be a real dandy in the purest sense of the word, however you might define it. One to watch repeatedly.
Christian Ponder is real, his experience key, and his candidacy and talk for the Heisman no fluke. He has a cool head. This alone, after the game is over, may well be the sole determining factor. But if he pitches them, they must be caught. Everyone hold your breath on that note, the second determing factor of the game.
The return to national prominence. Like a fish out of water the Seminoles now require it not just “need” it. It will take each player to play with fire in each footstep to achieve. And to do so in such a venerable venue as can only be now found in Norman. Look for the smoke on the field if my premonition is correct.
Oh, and just one more thing….ahem. When it comes to the little things making the biggest difference in a game between two well-matched teams the Seminoles have a decidedly large lead in playing againt opposing family members coaching opposing teams. Bowden Bowls abound in Seminole history. This being the first time the Stoops brothers have to face each other the nod simply has to go to the Noles. (Hey, I just call ’em like I see ’em.)
Final Thoughts
I expect that in order for the Noles to win, it will only come as a result of the final drive of the game. Whether a high-scoring shoot-out or a low-scoring defensive game it will boil down to the clock and who has the ball last. You can quote me on that. The talent on both teams so well matched. It is difficult if not impossible to not admire and respect the Sooner program and its many accomplishments over the years. That is not soon to change. Not from where I sit anyway. The Seminoles just want their fair share as well, or, having once had it…want it back. A heckuva motivator in my opinion. A team motivator.
All-in-all I look forward to this Saturday’s contest in earnest and in awe. I expect a remarkable and rememberable game.
Let’s do this thing! Go Noles!

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