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Friday Forum: The Big 12's Best Non-Conference Games

A couple of weeks ago we looked at the worst of the Big 12's non-conference games. These were the games that we thought would draw the least appeal from around the nation and some of them that just shouldn't have been scheduled. Today we're turning the dial in the complete opposite direction and looking at the best of the Big 12's non-conference games. Of course, like most things when there's more than one person's opinion involved agreements  are hard to come by. JTE and I do our best at breaking down our Top 10 but we'd sure like to know how you'd rank them.

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JTE

1 - Florida State at OU - This game draws my number one ranking for several reasons.  First, there is little doubt this game would be anticipated even more by OU fans had Bobby Bowden been able to hang on for one more year.  That said, I think most OU fans are still really looking forward to this game and I know I am.  I hope they beat the Noles by "half a hundred" and someone, anyone has the nerve to come out after the game and say "That was for Mike Balogun."  I hope even if it's a one point victory that somebody still says it, margin of victory doesn't matter.  FSU played a significant role (at least in this Sooner fan's opinion) of costing that kid a chance at his senior year and the word petty doesn't even do what they did justice.

2 - OU at Cincinnati - The trend you'll see here is that outside of CU, OU is the only school in this conference with the cajones to schedule a legit non-con (one cupcake aside).  Therefore, they draw my #2 ranking for going on the road to take on a BCS opponent (I mean we can't all play such brutal road games like @ Wyoming can we?).  Cincy is replacing an excellent coach in Brian Kelly as well as a majority of their offense, so while this game won't be as tough as initially expected it certainly won't be a game OU can look past either.  These are the kind of games OU has struggled with in the past, so coming in with the right mindset to dominate and set the tone early will go a long way in determining the final outcome.

3 - Texas A&M/Arkansas - Both of these teams have more than enough self appointed hype to fool me into putting this game in my top 3.  I'll never buy into the aTm hype until they prove they can stop someone, but any team with a potential #1 overall draft pick at QB is going to be a challenge.  Petrino may be one of the biggest scum bags in CFB, but no one can question his ability to coach up an offense so expect the Jerry World scoreboards to be lit up early and often when these two take the field.

4 - Illinois/Missouri - the Arch Rivalry (one of the worst made up rivalry game names ever) will pit two potentially very average teams against each other for the final year.  If I'm not mistaken, the schools have chosen not to renew the contract for this "rivalry" game so all you fans of mediocre football get your Kleenexes ready.  Illinois has yet to win a game in this "rivalry" series, so they'll have the Zooker all fired up to get one in the W column before the series ends.  Look out for former OU QB recruit Nathan Scheelhaase who should start the season under center for the Illini.

5 - Georgia at Colorado/ Colorado at Cal - Normally I'd give a road game preference in my rankings, but Colorado is going to be so crappy this year I think even an annually overrated Cal team will annihilate them.  So be default I'll give CU a chance at home against UGA, which could be a dangerous game if you believe the coaching hot seat rumors surrounding Mark Richt. 

7 - Georgia Tech at Kansas - KU gets this spot simply for not having yet another cream puff on their non-con schedule.  I almost couldn't believe my eyes when I read this so I had to go online and confirm that this wasn't a misprint.  Under Mangino, KU became almost as well known for scheduling cupcakes (I'm skipping the fat joke there fellas, no need to kick a guy when he's down) as the king himself who just so happens to also reside in this conference, Bill Snyder.

8 - UCLA at Kansas - Clearly this game was put on the schedule well before Bill Snyder decided to come back to Manhattan.  He never would have signed off on this game and here in Kansas, there was a considerable amount of speculation when he announced he was coming back that K-State would buy their way out of this game.  Alas that clearly hasn't happened so Coach Snyder will have no choice but to line up against the Bruins.  Given that the game is in the Little Apple, I could definitely see K-State topping UCLA.

9 - Iowa State at Iowa - Bob Stoops' alma mater is going to have a very good team this year and will very likely destroy the Cyclones this year.  If it was in Ames, I'd probably give ISU a puncher's chance as I'm a fan of their coach Paul Rhodes.  However, @ Iowa will be no easy chore and I expect the Hawkeyes to enforce their will on ISU early and cause the channel flippers to start searching for a better game early that Saturday.


10 - UCLA at Texas - There aren't going to be very many lists I author that don't have texass at the bottom.  This is the kind of game (or a neutral field showdown with a juggernaut like Rice) that texass fan points to on their schedule and says "See, see, we don't have a cake walk of a non-con!"  Meanwhile they likely won't be challenged and win big, but still with that priceless wHorn logic will argue vehemently that UCLA should improve their strength of schedule.  All the while refusing to acknowledge that their non-con is so inept that they're arguing that a middle of the road Pac 10 team is a "really tough" matchup.  It'd be funny if it wasn't so predictable and the wHorns are nothing if not predictable. 

 

CC Machine

(#10) 9/4 - UCLA at Kansas State - There certainly are a lot worse games than this on Big 12 schedules come opening weekend (Looking at you, OU/Utah State) but when it comes to the Top 10 this one is easily #10 in my book. Kansas State finished last season at 6-6 and even though the Bruins were just one game better than that you know that this isn't they type of match-up that Bill Snyder likes seeing on his schedule.

 

(#9) 9/11 - Georgia Tech at Kansas - Georgia Tech returns just about everyone from an offense that led the ACC in points per game (35.3). Meanwhile, Kansas is losing a starting quarterback, running back, receiver and about six players on defense. Oh yeah, and there's the matter of the new coach. After the Jayhawks man handle North Dakota State this will be the first big test of the Turner Gill era.


(#8) 9/4 - Illinois/Missouri - This is always a fun game to watch. Both teams were down last season according to their standards. Missouri will have an offense that will allow them to compete for the Big 12 North title in 2010 and this first game of the season will be a solid test of each team's merit.

(#7) 9/11 - Iowa State at Iowa - You have to appreciate what Paul Rhodes did in his first season as the head coach of Iowa State. He can give Cyclone fans even greater expectations in his second year with a win over a team that will be pushing for a Big 10 championship.

(#6) 10/2 - Georgia at Colorado - Colorado was most thankful for the down year Kansas had in 2009 because it kept them from finishing dead last in the North Division. This game comes just a week before the Buffs open conference play at Missouri and could be the difference between arriving in Columbia 2-2 or 1-3.

(#5) 9/25 - UCLA at Texas - Well, at least Texas tried. I don't think that you can compare `09 results in prepping for this game because of the turnover that both teams experienced following the season. Give Texas the edge with the game being played in Austin but don't be surprised if UCLA makes it interesting.

(#4) 9/11 - Colorado at Cal - This is where we should pause for a moment and give Colorado props for a banging schedule. The Buffs may have the most brutal stretch the first month of the season of any Big 12 school. Meanwhile, Cal is sandwiching this game in between UC Davis and Nevada.

(#3) 9/25 - OU at Cincinnati - This game is HUGE for Oklahoma. It comes the week before Texas and caps off a non-conference slate that also includes Utah State, Florida State and Air Force. We most likely won't see Cincy playing at the same level as `09 but no one should expect this to be a cake walk. This game could set the pace for OU's 2010 road trips.  

(#2) 10/9 - Texas A&M/Arkansas - Both programs are looking for long awaited break out season in 2010 and this game is strategically set close enough to mid-season to be either a catalyst for run in their respective conferences or a nail in the coffin.

(#1) 9/11 - Florida State at OU - This is the biggest non-conference game in Norman since September 8, 2007 when Miami came to town. Oklahoma fans will be out for blood due to the Mike Balogun situation from last year. While the actual Oklahoma football team may be tight lipped about that particular situation you know they're chomping at the bit to welcome the Seminoles to town.

 

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@JTE:

“There aren’t going to be very many lists I author that don’t have texass at the bottom.”

So with the first sentence of the paragraph, you instantly discredit yourself and strip yourself of any kind of unbiased integrity/credibility… Good to know.

“…with that priceless wHorn logic will argue vehemently that UCLA should improve their strength of schedule.”

Um… it shouldn’t? Whether you realize it or not (I’m leaning towards not since this is a Sooner site), you just implied that UCLA is no better than Rice, Wyoming or FAU. I realize that UCLA is a middle of the pack Pac-10 team, but they still improve our schedule, kind of like a decent-at-best Cincy strengthens yours. Think about it. (Also, you’re running a fan site here, read by many. Can you not be bothered with grammar or is that just an ou thing?).

“…they’re arguing that a middle of the road Pac 10 team is a “really tough” matchup."

Uh, no. No one is arguing this is a really tough matchup. In fact, almost every Longhorn fan and pre-season preview will agree that this is our 5th (or maybe even 6th-7th) toughest matchup, clearly behind @Tech, ou, A&M and @Nebraska. Do your research.

Look, if you want to criticize Texas for its non-conference scheduling, that’s one thing (ignoring the fact that it wasn’t our fault Arky fell off the map and Utah backed out of their contract…). But don’t put words in the mouths of Longhorn fans. Especially such idiotic ones. That’s some Aggy shit. UCLA is not an elite school and you are literally arguing with yourself.

How did our “idiotic” scheduling work out for us last year? An injured shoulder away from a national championship.
How did your brilliant, ballsy scheduling work out for you last year? Oh yeah.

This list is a joke. I hate beergut, but at least that guy pretends to put an effort into things.

Two teams can play each other head-to-head, and sportswriters still have to vote who they think is better.

by Longhorn_Seminole on Jul 16, 2010 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Where to start

I’ll try to go slow so you can keep up. I’ll admit I should have added the caveat that if UT even remotely deserves to be at the bottom of a “top whatever” list that’s where I’ll have them. That said, the only way I would have discredited myself is if I had made points that were not true. So please allow me to discredit you and restore (although not needed) my credibility.

First, this was specifically focusing on the non-con games so your argument that this is UT’s “5th toughest matchup” is clearly a valid one. Unfortunately for you, it is also completely irrelevant to both my comment and the list in general. Nowhere in my post did I imply that you or any other UT fan were saying that this is one of their toughest overall matchups. Is it their toughest non-con matchup, easily. However compared to the rest the UT non-con, that’s not really saying much and that was the point I was making.

As for the strengthening of the schedule comment and your question of “Shouldn’t it?”, I’m not sure you bothered to read your own reply. You argue that UCLA should improve your strength of schedule and then immediately go on to argue that it’s arguably the 7th best game on your schedule and how UCLA “is not an elite school?” So the logic (or lack thereof) to your attempt of a rebuttal is that UCLA should strengthen your schedule despite the fact that it’s the 7th best game on your schedule? If UCLA goes 7-6 or worse in a average at best Pac-10 then yeah, I think you’d have a pretty hard time making an argument that game improves your strength of schedule. Now if they do something similar to 2008 Cincy team that improved OU’s strength of schedule then I’ll be the first one to admit I was wrong.

As far as last year and who it “worked out better for” there’s no doubt it worked out better for UT. One question though, how did things work out for you in 2008? Go ahead and save your money on the plane and banner flying over C&C Machine’s corporate offices, I remember the score and I remember our strength of schedule being the difference maker in getting the MNC nod. So yeah, not doubt it worked out to your advantage last year but I’ll take our chances every year scheduling like OU does rather than the crap fest of a non-con UT officials appear to be happy to serve up to UT fan.

So after all that, you actually summed things up pretty well (shockingly) at one point when you stated that this was a fan site. You’re absolutely right, it’s an OU fan site. You can expect to come here and get unbiased or objective analysis of UT, but I’m afraid you will be consistently disappointed.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for me to assume that most fans who frequent their rivals site do so mainly for entertainment purposes, I know that’s why I go to BON. I’ve read countless idiotic statements over there and I take for exactly what they are, so while I certainly don’t expect you to take it that is my advice for you. I hate UT and everything associated with it, so if you (a UT fan) feel as if that hurts my credibility when discussing your school then I could truly care less. By that logic no UT fan could ever say anything credible about OU because of the rivalry and vice versa. I mean even you can see the stupidity in that no?

"We call him The Hammer." - Bob Stoops on Ronnell Lewis

by Jordan Esco on Jul 16, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

How is it

that in the same breath, you could blame your NCG loss on a bum shoulder and blame our season on a scheduling strategy?

I bet you’d also suggest we’d have lost in Dallas with our without Sam, despite the fact that it’s a perfect analogy for your game against Alabama. I mean, do you read shit before you post it? Dropping the “poor grammar” card on a guy, and then backing it up with kindergarten-caliber rhetoric. I’d say something about being ashamed, but you guys forfeited your humility with the aforementioned airplane banner campaign.

by evenyoudorn on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone who plays the grammar card

On a message board pretty much immediately eliminates any chance they might of had of making a legitimate point.

You make a good point Dorn in that UT fan was quick to call us out when we said not having Sam (and lest we forget Jermaine as well as countless others) would have made a difference. Yet how quick were they to drop the same excuse when Colt went out early?

Of course Colt is old news as they have a kid who has played in basically one game in his career, put up atrocious stats, rallied from the brink of embarrassment (to his credit) and threw two ridiculously easy wide-open TD passes to a guy who isn’t on their team this year and somehow UT fan has convinced themselves that performance propels Gilly into a Heisman contender this year??? Let me ask you this UT fan, what happens if Gilly goes down behind that make shift OL (three new starters I believe) this year and Sherrod has to remove that visor and actually put on a helmet? You’re not worried about that at all? Because you should be.

"We call him The Hammer." - Bob Stoops on Ronnell Lewis

by Jordan Esco on Jul 16, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can think of two guys

who’d be happy to make that a reality. And, would you look at that, they play DE for the Sooners.

That’s not to say The Hammer wouldn’t happily step up to the plate.

by evenyoudorn on Jul 16, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

That made my day! If the Hammer don’t hurt ‘em, I’ll put some money on our local headhunter, Quinton Carter.

by OU JJ on Jul 16, 2010 6:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Silly Gilly

I like it. Gear Bear maybe? Gilbert Grape? We’ll come up with something.

by KratosWasASooner on Jul 16, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Start time for Utah State

Hello everyone, has anyone seen the start time for Utah State on Sept 4th? I got tickets yesterday and Soonersports.com says TBA and here it says 6pm. Anyone seen a confirmed time yet? Thanks, BOOMER!!!

by SoonerMike on Jul 16, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not been officially set yet

and for the record, it’s TV that sets kick off times.

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by Redhawk on Jul 16, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

God you guys are bitter. Seriously there's no breakdown whatsoever on the FSU game.

It’s like reading an actual analysis on each team listed and then a 4th graders hate letter…all thats missing is a stick man with a frowny face.

Giddy-up!

by truecolors on Jul 16, 2010 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Come back around game time

And I’m sure they will be plenty of breakdown. This is the offseason my man and I can only speak for myself, but I’m not exactly an expert on the Noles and their depth chart. So to give you an in-depth analysis would have been pretty pointless. However, I can give you your frowny face :(

"We call him The Hammer." - Bob Stoops on Ronnell Lewis

by Jordan Esco on Jul 16, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

That’s pretty much the summation of the game. Bowden’s grudge voting and Balogun’s undercutting has left a bad taste in many a Soonerfan’s mouth. Pardon the language CC, but a lot of us just plainly want to see the Sooners kick the shit out of FSU. I personally want to see us up by 50 throwing for the endzone with :10 left in the 4th.

by KratosWasASooner on Jul 16, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could not agree more

Well put Kratos

"We call him The Hammer." - Bob Stoops on Ronnell Lewis

by Jordan Esco on Jul 16, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

FSU

Think there was an overview etc about a month ago. We all heard how the Nike secondary will actually be better with some freshman playing.

by OU JJ on Jul 16, 2010 6:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry phone corrected “Nole” but it is kind of funny for free shoes u!

by OU JJ on Jul 16, 2010 6:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here's what I know about FSU

I shut them out 28-0 in EA’s NCAA Football 11. Hell even Utah State scored 17 on OU.

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by Redhawk on Jul 16, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, we're just not realy happy with FSU right now

Among the Sooner nation the two things that are foremost on our minds when it comes to FSU are the Mike Balogun situation and Bobby Bowden voting OU lower than anyone else out of bitterness.

by ccmachine on Jul 17, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

The voting thing is an old school deal....remember everyone in his generation used to do it shamelessly.

The coaches poll is a joke anyway(not that AP is better).

We’ve moved on from Bowden, and have much more reason to be bitter than you do : ) You should do the same!

Giddy-up!

by truecolors on Jul 17, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh believe me

We very much plan to move on come Sept. 11th by way of a good ol’ fashioned butt kicking.

"We call him The Hammer." - Bob Stoops on Ronnell Lewis

by Jordan Esco on Jul 17, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

: 0 we'll take our butt whipping and hope for better days when OU comes to Tally next year.

Although I still think you guys will be favored by 3 in Doak Cambell 2011.

Giddy-up!

by truecolors on Jul 17, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

There’s little doubt in my mind it will be an even tougher game than this year. All the young studs you have will have more experience and a full year under the new staff.

"We call him The Hammer." - Bob Stoops on Ronnell Lewis

by Jordan Esco on Jul 18, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

and

I personally think there is a drop off in talent from our seniors on Defense to their back ups. We were deep last year, and sure we lost talent, but we had talent behind them. But after Beal, Alexander (Jr) and Travis Lewis (also a Jr) leave this year, I think we’ll be down a little on defense next year.

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by Redhawk on Jul 18, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you are right for next year. Noles are past ready to be relevant again.

We’re getting beat by at least 10 – 14 points this year and that would be a good showing!

Giddy-up!

by truecolors on Jul 18, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

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