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Does The Big Twelve Add 2 Teams?

Dysfunctional or not, the Big 12 is staying as one big family, except for Nebraska and Colorado who bolted for seemingly greener pastures. This was quite the soap opera for the past week, and it feels good to finally have it resolved. Like any family battle, it left us with some good things and some bad things. For instance, you have to be happy that we are planted in a conference that is in our region, and that we won't rack up huge travel bills. We have preserved a lot of traditional rivalries, and a lot of teams that don't carry a huge stick will get to stay in a BCS Conference and play with teams they are familiar with. The power brokers - Oklahoma and Texas in football, and Kansas in basketball, are still in place and will ensure that our conference gets at least some measure of respect.

But there are definitely some negatives that have emerged from this whole process. The one I have the biggest problem with is that we publicly admitted that we were Texas' little brother, and that we would follow them whereever they go. I appreciate their efforts to preserve the Red River Rivalry, but in no way do we need to publicly admit that we are the #2 team. Another negative is that we just rid ourselves of two solid schools, something that will definitely act as a detriment to the conference's prestige. Certainly, Colorado and Nebraska have not been "superpowers" lately, but they carry with them a long history and solid academics. You can't argue that Nebraska hasn't had above average teams recently, and it seems that Bo Pelini has that team on the right track.

With the cavity that is left by the departure of said teams, the question becomes does the Big 12 add two more teams, or do we simply swap names with the Big 10?

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The television contract that was negotiated appears to be for a 10 team conference, which leaves me a little skeptical that Dan Beebe will try to add any teams. Money off TV revenue was his big selling point for keeping the conference together, and adding two more teams in the mix would probably mean a lower bottom line for most teams in the Big 12.

The problem is that in college sports - a lot is subjective, and a lot depends on what people think about your conference. Why do you think that Boise State has never played for a national title? The perception is that they play in a weak conference and they didn't "earn" their undefeated record. Nebraska and Colorado may have been down in the past decade, but they also formed a key part of the Big 12 core. The flip side of the coin is that the Pac 10, Big 10, and Mountain West seem to be taking aggressive steps to move their conferences forward into a more modern and equitable setup for college sports, and also to add stronger teams to their ranks.

This is not addition by subtraction. We are perceived by the rest of the country as having done nothing except reacting too late and letting two of our core members walk away. We will be seen as a conference that is moving towards a traditional power structure - no conference championship game, and a couple of powerhouse teams that can afford to relax on the last week of the season.

For all of those reasons, I think that Dan Beebe needs to do something productive, earn his paycheck, and add a couple of solid teams to the ranks of the Big 12. He apparently has a lucrative TV deal in hand, or he wouldn't have convinced all these teams to stay. Therefore, he should be able to manuever to pick off two more teams. Let's operate under the assumption that he does, who should the Big 12 add? Let's look at some candidates that have been rumored:

Brigham Young

For BYU football, the past 33 years have been packed full of championships, bowl games and national honors. Since 1974 BYU has played in 26 bowl games, won a National Championship, claimed 22 Conference Championships and earned 16 national top-25 finishes, including four top-10 finishes. In 2008, BYU will enter the season with the nation's longest active winning streak at 10 straight games, including a victory over UCLA in the Las Vegas Bowl. Over the past two seasons, BYU has posted a record of 22-4 and has won 22 of the last 25 games it has played.

--byucougars.com

We all know what BYU can do on the football field, as we saw last year. They have had 63 All Americans and have a solid football tradition. They have an active and loyal fan base, and have been very good recently, winning more than 7 out of every 10 games under coach Bronco Mendenhall. But, they are also solid in other athletic areas. They are in the Top 25 all time in college basketball victories, having been to the NCAA Tournament 21 times and winning NIT Championships twice. They have a solid volleyball tradition (which would help replace the departure of Nebraska). In men's volleyball, they won the NCAA Championship 3 times (1999, 2001, and 2004). And they are usually ranked in women's volleyball. Their women's soccer team has made the tournament 9 times, reaching the Elite Eight in 2003. The Cougars would be my top choice to add to the Big 12 North.

Utah

2008585469_mediumIf you want history, Utah's football team has been competing since 1892.

  • They have won 24 conference championships in their history.
  • They are 12-3 in bowl games, the best winning percentage of any team that has been to at least 10 bowls.
  • They were the first team from a non-BCS conference to be invited to a BCS bowl game.
  • They are 86-30 (.741) since the beginning of the 2000 season.
  • They have been to 7 consecutive bowl games.

In addition to all of that, they have a history in basketball as well, with the 9th most wins among any men's basketball program. From Wikipedia:

The Utes have made 29 NCAA Tournament appearances, which ranks 7th all-time, while the Utes 10 outright conference championships (28 championships overall) is the 5th best in NCAA history.

The Utes have played in four Final Fours, winning the 1944 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship.

They have played for the championship as recently as 1998, when they lost to Kentucky. They are no slouch in women's basketball, and their current coach has been there 26 years - with the Utes qualifying for the tournament 15 times and having a cumulative 0.717 winning percentage over that stretch.

I would also love to invite Utah, which would have the added benefit of keeping the Utah-BYU rivalry in the same conference. I'm sure Utah and BYU would spring at this opportunity to play in a BCS conference and finally have a chance to legitimately lay claim to the whole enchilada.

Arkansas

Could they be pried from the SEC? That is the big question. I'm sure the SEC could find another team that would finish in the middle of the pack in football, and perhaps shore up their basketball ranks - a team like Memphis, or Louisville. Arkansas is a traditional rival of Texas, and even of Texas A&M. They are on the fringes of SEC territory geographically, and originally were a part of the Southwest Conference - territory that is now covered by the Big 12 conference.

If Arkansas was presented with the choice to compete for titles in the Big 12 North Division (which they could do pretty easily as they are right now), or continue to be an average SEC team, I'm sure they would jump at the chance to move to the Big 12. Does Beebe have the guts to pull the trigger on this though? Probably not.

Memphis

From NBC Sports:

According to CBS Sports.com, FedEx CEO Fred Smith -- whose son Cannon is a quarterback at the school -- has made it it known to various conferences that his company would be willing to ship up to $10 million annually to their athletic coffers if they were to add Memphis to their BcS clique.  

Seriously, that's the report.

"It could be $10 million every year for a conference to use however it sees fit," said one of the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "When you think of the big picture, it could be the equivalent of a five-year, $50 million contract or a 10-year, $100-million contract. Fred is talking about a massive amount of money. ...

"The money that used to go to the Orange Bowl is now set to go to a league that will invite Memphis. Fred has made it clear he'll put that money back into the budget for the right league. He's driving this thing."

Well, Beebe has proven that he's motivated by money, so this could be a viable option, but Memphis doesn't really bring a whole lot to the table in football. I would prefer other teams, but this would certainly add a boost if the concern was having to divide up TV revenue amongst another member.

Texas Christian (TCU)

TCU does have history and tradition in football, and have the benefit of being old Southwest Conference rivals as well. They lay claim to 2 national titles, and have been 85-28 under head coach Gary Patterson. The Horned Frogs wouldn't really expand the conference's footprint into other television markets, something that could wind up being a major negative factor if the Big 12 did decide to invite teams.

Houston

Again, there is not much incentive television-market-wise to add Houston, but their name has been thrown out there as an expansion possibility. They do not have as much of a history either, and I think it's doubtful that the Big 12 would even consider them.

Notre Dame

Would the Irish actually peel away from their cozy setup with NBC and the BCS? Perhaps, but I think it would take a playoff system to cause that. Unless the push for a playoff system is strong in the next several years, I don't see this happening. Even then, I see the Irish wanting to move to the Big 10 as they have more traditional rivals and games scheduled against those teams anyways.


Are there any teams that I've missed? Which of these options do you like the best? Do you think we'll actually expand the conference now? Let your thoughts be heard in the comments section!

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Powerful people without an interest in the Big 12 helped broker a deal? (link)

An NCAA source with direct knowledge of what occurred told ESPN.com that the aggressiveness of the Pac-10 caused various factions of the collegiate sports world to coalesce. They then worked to slow and try to stop the pace of moves that would have left a number of schools searching for a new conference home.

The source said the people involved were business executives, conference commissioners, athletic directors, network executives with ties throughout college athletics, administrators at many levels throughout the NCAA membership and a “fair number of them without a dog in the hunt.”

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

This is all about preventing the arrival of super conferences,

the creation of a playoff, and the death of the NCAA.

If it makes the Big 12 viable I’m all for it but this has nothing to do with making sure Iowa State has an outside shot at a BCS game…

by SoonerDutch on Jun 14, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding me ???

The issue was that Houston Comcast and Houston Fox Sports want to broadcast the TX games. They’re trying to lock in the TV rights now BEFORE PAC could renegotiate at a higher rate. TX schools shot their negotiating leverage with FOX or ESPN by supporting the Beebe plan.

This story tells it all.

Big 10 schools get about $20 Million per year off the TV deals.
PAC 10 are getting about $11 Million, but PAC doesn’t have the network up yet. They will in 2011.

Forbes Article on the TV Revenue per school http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2010/06/assessing-the-financial-impact-of-pac-10-expansion/

Take a look at the TV revenue numbers and tell me why any college would knowingly permit UT Austin to have a $10,000,000 per year additionally and over your program for the next ten years?

May be I do not understand Texas politics as much as I thought that I did.

UT Austin get $20M per year PLUS an ADD of another $4-$5 M on the UT only channel versus
Other teams getting maybe $14Million?

For the next ten years, UT Austin will be telling the other schools… "jump a little higher… we don’t like your attitude…we’re going to now cut you from $18Mil to $15Mil because you said some bad things about us."

Colorado and Nebraska were smart to head for the door.

Nebraska is getting $20 Mil per year for making the move. They’re going to be in more way more money than they would have had otherwise.

Colorado will get that also in 2011 with PAC-12+ getting both TV and a Conference Championship game now.

Big 12-2 has NO championship game and now the lesser schools are locked into $14-$16 million with U T Austin taking the other 20% chunk?

And, who thinks that is equitable?

I just don’t get it guys.

PAC+ was offering at least that amount plus regional autonomy?

by bonesmccoy on Jun 15, 2010 5:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of those listed I think the two most realistic are BYU and Memphis.

BYU has “national” appeal and Memphis has piles of money. At least we’d be a better basketball conference…

by SoonerDutch on Jun 14, 2010 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

BYU and Memphis?

that really does not help Big 12-2 legitimacy

by bonesmccoy on Jun 15, 2010 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well I was going to suggest Ohio State and Florida

but I don’t think they’re going anywhere.

BYU has the best football program and following of any school that the Big 12 could legitimately get, and Memphis brings a market, money, and a significant improvement basketball wise.

Can you give me an option that gives the Bog 12 any more legitimacy than those two?

by SoonerDutch on Jun 15, 2010 11:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

BYU is the best out there

(not counting Arkansas).

BYU is a BCS school, in a non-BCS conference. So is TCU…but TCU doesn’t add to the Big 12.

I like Cincy and Louisville as well, but they become stretches in geography wise.

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by Redhawk on Jun 15, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does Mizzou have a target on their backs now for starting all this?

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

And how did Missouri start all of this?

By rightfully complaining about the injustices of the Big 12?

by rg643 on Jun 14, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought they were the first school to flirt with the Big 10

I could be wrong though…

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was my understanding also.

Actually, it was my understanding they were the first Big 12 team to flirt with any other conference.

R.I.P. Derrick Thomas. The Chiefs and the World have never been the same since your untimely death.

by ChiefsFan90s on Jun 14, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is why this conference will fail.
And how did Missouri start all of this?
By rightfully complaining about the injustices of the Big 12?

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but this conference isn’t any more feasible long term than it was Sunday night.

by SoonerDutch on Jun 14, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely not

any missouri fan would say the same thing. at this point we’re hoping to build our profile for the next round of expansion. this tiered-revenue nonsense will be the undoing of the the conference.

by rg643 on Jun 15, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll throw some more gas on the "expansion-is-not-quite-done-yet-fire"

From the Utah blog here on SBN:

Rumor: Utah has informed Mountain West of intentions to leave conference

This from Tom Cella of UteZone. He’s a pretty reputable source and I’d take his word on everything since he’s been pretty spot on since this story broke wide open back in February.

If true, and it appears the Pac-Ten is moving fast, official word should happen by tonight or tomorrow.

If that happens, then BYU is likely to be mighty pissed that they wouldn’t have a shot at a BCS bid. Perhaps that would be our opportunity to pick them off? Or maybe the Pac-10 will gun for Boise and BYU in addition to Utah?

I have a feeling that we’re going to see a few more changes…maybe not to the Big 12, but changes nonetheless.

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

PAC schools do not see Boise State as a likely addition

I am not aware of any interest in the PAC to add Boise State.
The academic history does not fit.
The athletic competition does not fit.
The media market does not fit.

Utah can fit.

OK and OK State would also fit.

Kansas and K-state fits

So does Mizzou and Iowa State.

The point was to create a regional conference similar to those in the past, but bring it under a TV media marketing package.

by bonesmccoy on Jun 15, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we do re-expand to 12

Without a doubt, we should add Memphis and their $10,000,000 contract. Was also hoping for to add Utah, but they are going to the Pac 12. Next choice would be Boise State, followed by BYU, Arkansas, and than TCU.

R.I.P. Derrick Thomas. The Chiefs and the World have never been the same since your untimely death.

by ChiefsFan90s on Jun 14, 2010 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

On espn in Dallas

they said the TV contract is conditional on only 10 teams in the Big 12.

by meatybob on Jun 14, 2010 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah I figured that

Although, I’m sure they could renegotiate under certain circumstances

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

10 teams?

Doesn’t that mean if TTech or OK wants to argue for more money, they can?

by bonesmccoy on Jun 15, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I heard the same thing as meaty

Heard an interview w/ Chip Brown last night saying the deal was contingent on 10 teams only so now adding of any teams. He also said there was a specific emphasis on scheduling competitive non-con games. So if true, you’re screwed texass.

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by Jordan Esco on Jun 15, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

As an Auburn fan,

I’d be fine with y’all taking Arkansas. I’d love to get Florida State to replace them. However, BYU and Utah would be great. Can you imagine that game at the end of the year with a North title on the line and possible BCS bowl implications? It would really be great.

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by AUshorecm on Jun 14, 2010 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Three possibilities you didn't list

New Mexico: Growing state, and already a rival of Tech. They have 34,000 students (that’s bigger than OU, or OSU). Downside: They are terrible in football, but at least “the Pit” is well known in Basketball.

Louisville: A public university, and not that far off the map geography. New football stadium, and major basketball school. Still a little small at 16,000 undergrads.

Cincinnati: HUGE public school with 39,000 students. Was a BCS football program last year. Big time Basketball school too. Cincinnati/Dayton TV market is one of the largest in the country (in the top 20)

Personally I love the idea of BYU…but I also like Cincinnati and Louisville as a combo.

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions  

The main three I see here I would like to join are (and in favorable order):

1.Arkansas
2. TCU
3. Houston

Notre Dame I have a hard time seeing join. They enjoy their free reign schedule too much.

by blevs4 on Jun 15, 2010 12:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Best options for the formaly dead Big 12.

Arkansas- Jerry Jones, he would love to see his Razorbacks playing in Texas.
Memphis- The $10 million that Fred is offering is too tempting, and they would love to play Kansas every year in b-ball.
BYU- After Utah goes to the PAC-10 they will be shopping. What a hoot, the Mormons in the bible belt!

by showme on Jun 15, 2010 2:01 AM CDT reply actions  

U R #2

Here’s a news flash Crimson and White…You are no better than #2 whether or not you want to admit it. Even though the writer of this column/blog kinda, sorta, maybe, thank you to Texas for staying the course…the undertone of this column/blog is resentment toward Texas…so, what do you want Texas to do? Do you want them to put inferior teams on the field? Do you want them to refuse to take any money? Do you want them to give away their huge endowment? Do you want them to drastically lower their academic standards? Do you want them to take a back seat, shut up, and not offer leadership and opinions? JUST WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU WANT? I’ve had it up to my nose with all the silly, stupid, jealousy bellyaching from Big 12 members, the media, just about everyone. The old sage said, “If you don’t/can’t lead, then sit down and shut the hell up”! I’m beginning to wish the Horns had gone to the Big 10 and left all it’s friends? behind to fend for themselves and find someone else to criticize and castigate. With friends like the Crimson and Cream ya better still be watching your back!

by SteerPower on Jun 15, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

What I think of texass and all of this conference drama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHeXm7t-aAY

(warning…liberal use of the f-bomb!)

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by Redhawk on Jun 15, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

steerpower

if you don’t like what you read on this site – stay the hell off

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by omsooner on Jun 15, 2010 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

lol

wait, a Sooner blog has an undertone of resentment towards Texas?

No way. I wouldn’t believe that in a million years…

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 15, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

What, exactly, makes you think Arkansas would leave the SEC?

They make too much money in the SEC?
Too much respect?
They have a secret desire to be ruled from Austin?
Someone put something in the drinking water in Arkansas?
Go after BYU and TCU. They’re up-and-coming and they’d be cheap. Buy low, sell high.

by delicious.crab on Jun 15, 2010 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

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