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"Should OU Be Following Texas Blindly?" And Other Realignment Hullabaloo

UPDATE - MY QUESTION IS A MOOT POINT:

OU Press Release: “The decision to stay in the Big 12 represents a consensus position which resulted from a collaborative effort with our colleagues in the conference. We value the strong working relationship that has been reaffirmed during this process among the conference members. We intend to work very hard to make the conference as lasting and dynamic as possible. We appreciate the respect and interest that has been shown to OU during this process.”

We are staying.

UPDATE:

6:26 PM - Texas A&M also announces it will stay.  6:12 PM - Texas is going to stay in the Big 12 officially. I guess that means we are too.

ORIGINAL STORY:

This "tweet" from Billy Liucci of Texags.com:

Was just informed from sources that OU is 100% all-in with Texas, whether it's Big 12 or Pac-10

But the question-du-jour is whether or not that is the correct thing to do? Does OU have to lump itself in with Texas and blindly follow? I think not. My original story on conference realignment suggested that I thought that OU would follow either one of its rivals, but I've been having a debate in my head for the past few days wondering whether or not we should be following Texas. What do you think?

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Change of Tune

Today we saw a major shift in the realignment talk from Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Texas all moving to the Pac-10 Conference, to the Big 12 suddenly being saved. The lynch-pin here seems to be the offer to conference big-shot Texas, especially in regards to television deals. Apparently Commish Beebe has decided it prudent to allow all schools in the "new" Big 12 to pursue their own networks, as well as negotiating a major television contract. This is a potential boon for the Longhorns, who experts have projected could earn $3 MIL to $5 MIL annually from a University of Texas sports network.

Texas was meeting Monday with the other remaining nine schools in the Big 12 about a TV deal included in a plan put together by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe that would keep the league intact with its current programs, according to multiple reports.

Texas stands to earn between $20 million and $25 million annually in television revenue in the reworked deal, including money from its own network, according to Orangebloods.com.

"Things are trending in a favorable direction for the Big 12 today," a Big 12 athletic director with direct knowledge of the negotiations told The New York Times on Monday. "It looks like Texas is getting ready to commit to the Big 12.

"They're going to make a long-term commitment and basically accept the Beebe television proposal."

The Longhorns network figures to generate between $3 million and $5 million, according to the Orangebloods.com report. Because the Big 12 has unequal revenue sharing, the deal will mean more money for Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma, who all would receive at least $20 million annually from the new deal.

The other seven schools in the Big 12 would make between $14 million and $17 million, doubling what they currently receive in TV revenue.

--ESPN

Clearly, this is a sweet deal for Texas who would be top TV earner in the conference, and a sweet deal for Dan Beebe who gets to keep his job and preserve the conference that he is in charge of. But, there are some questions that keep nagging at me.

First, where is Beebe getting this television contract from? Which network is stepping up to the table to offer that kind of money, especially for a 10-team league that just lost one of its more popular members (Nebraska) and one of its biggest TV networks (Denver, Colorado)?

Second, will the smaller schools actually go for this? It only takes one or two of them to get peeled off to change the landscape. Oklahoma State and Texas Tech still have invitations to join the Pac-10. If the Big Ten ever comes calling Missouri again, does anyone think that Missouri would hesitate to make the jump?

Third, I have a problem with this offer from Beebe because it was tailored to, and pitched exclusively to Texas, who is now trying to convince everyone to stay because it's a sweet deal for the Longhorns. And, to top it all off, we were enablers by admitting that we would follow Texas wherever they went. We essentially set up the power grab for our rivals south of the Red, and that burns more than just about anything else.

Texas Is The Prize

Don't expect the Pac-10 to go down without a fight. They are sitting with 11 teams, and they probably have Utah as a backup plan, but Texas is clearly the #1 option. The Pac-10 showed up, extended invitations, and everything was looking great until Beebe stepped in. Because of the revenue and interest that Texas generates, and because all the other Big 12 schools have elevated Texas to "other worldly" status via their words in the press, Texas is the jewel of the fight here, and the Pac 10 is unlikely to just let it slip through their fingers.

Where Do We Stand?

Well, if what's being reported is correct, we're just sitting around with our thumbs up our you-know-where, waiting for Texas to call the shots. Excuse me while I chase that horrible taste out of my mouth. Does anyone know if any of the Big 12 schools trust each other anymore? There's been so much rumor, and innuendo that I don't know what to believe any more. And on top of it, pretty much every team has indicated interest in moving on beyond the Big 12. We've already driven some wedges between certain schools, will a new Big 12 conference stick around to last? It's like a CIA movie where everyone kind of works together but at the same time you're hiding behind the bushes listening to the other guys' meetings.

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Maybe we should call in Jason Bourne for some extra intel?

It sounds like Texas is going to act in their own self interest, and take the deal Beebe is offering. And does this really work out poorly for OU? Well in the financial sense, concerning only television deals, it actually works out quite well because we're in the chosen three (Texas, A&M, OU) who will be earning anywhere from $3-9 MIL more than the rest of the schools in the conference. But, in a competitive sense, we become what the Big Ten used to be. The rest of the country will be making jokes about an easy run through conference play, being able to skip the conference championship game, etc. In a time where the rest of the country seems to be pushing for large conferences with a conference championship game, we have to ask ourselves if that's what we really want?

Can we add any other teams to bring our number back up to 12? Well, can you think of any schools that are regularly successful in football, have a large and loyal following, reside in a major television market, and are not currently in one of the BCS conferences? Very few, if any, come to mind. The point is, you can add some schools like BYU, Houston, or Memphis, but some of these schools have flash-in-the-pan football programs. For instance, they hit some recruiting gems, have the right coach, and are competitive at the highest level for 4-6 years. You also have to consider that if you add these teams to a more competitive conference, that they may not fare as well as they do in the non-BCS conference. The Big 12 lost Nebraska, and that is indeed a major loss. It's hard to simply replace them. And, in football, the NCAA's money sport, the Big 12 was already quite top heavy. In the 14 years that the Big 12 has been in tact, Oklahoma or Texas has won the championship in football 9 times, and participated in the championship game 3 more times.

We would be setting up a conference that we could continue to dominate, along with Texas, but would this garner our conference much national respect? Meanwhile, if Texas and OU went to the Pac-10, you'd at least have competition from USC, and there would also be regular contenders like Oregon and California. If they went to the SEC, well, that would be a college football gauntlet - Texas, OU, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee...

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"Kevin, I'm going to feed you to my tarantula" - it's not easy being little brother

If we do preserve the Big 12 with ten teams, it certainly looks like we're taking the "easy" way out -  the way that will allow us to continue to dominate a weakened conference. It also looks like we're doing this for purely monetary purposes (not bad when you're one of the top earners). Finally, it looks like all of us are caving to Texas, and despite the results that may or may not arrive on the field, we'll know who really IS the top dog in the conference.

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The speculation I've read

Is that ESPN is the network that ponied up the $$$

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by jtesooner on Jun 14, 2010 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Then why did they suck so much at staying ahead of the story?

lol

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by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because they're ESPiN

It’s what they do. Botch the story and then pretend like they had it right all along because they’re too big for anyone to call them out.

"We call him The Hammer." - Bob Stoops on Ronnell Lewis

by jtesooner on Jun 14, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

that is what ESPIN does, manufacture news whether it is true or not. All they care about is having their name out front to hell with what is being said or reported.

by scarab on Jun 15, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just got a text from OU Athletics

“Oklahoma will continue its membership with the Big 12.”

Boomer Sooner!

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by Jubanator14 on Jun 14, 2010 6:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Adding teams

Also heard on the radio late this afternoon that speculation is Beebe is going to try and add Air Force and BYU. Not a complete shock as both had been rumored to be possible additions over the weekend.

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by jtesooner on Jun 14, 2010 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

We need to keep the conference title game

or we’ll become a joke a-la Ohio State making and losing all those big games from the Big Ten earlier this decade.

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

But do we add any teams?

Or was this tv contract negotiated for 10 teams only?

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by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good question

Knowing texass, I’m guessing they demanded that it stay a 10 team league and to do away w/ the championship game to make it as easy as possible for them to get to the MNC game. If Big 10 is 12 teams, Pac 10 is 12 teams, SEC, ACC, and Big East would all be bigger than the Big 12. I just don’t see a way where they stay at 10 teams. I realize I just contradicted myself there, but that’s only because I tried to apply whorn logic. So I expect I can be forgiven.

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by jtesooner on Jun 14, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the answer is in the TV contract

if the extra 2 teams are worth $17 million more if they add 2 teams then yeah, you add it. But I’d doubt that and adding only makes an additional cut to the pie.

I’ve heard that the league would stay at 10 teams, and no CCG.

As for additional teams….BYU is fine. Air Force is not. And that’s going to be an issue, beyond BYU

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've never understood where Air Force came from?

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by jtesooner on Jun 14, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

beats me

I mean if you really want into Colorado, CSU would be a better pick, and they are NOT a BCS school.

Now….if the Money is real from the TV contract, I for one, thinks Arkansas could be wooed.

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay,

you have all offered options if we DO expand. But the question is, WILL we? I hope the answer is yes, but I think the answer is no.

"But we all know that games aren't played on paper...they are played by little men inside our TV sets." --Kenny Mayne

by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard no

but really it’s so fresh, I don’t know if anyone knows really.

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling they negotiated this for a 10 team conference

and a 10 team only

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by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they have to

I think whatever has been renegotiated can be done so again. If they stay at 10 teams, they’d be the smallest BCS conference in the country. And if they don’t have a CCG, then I don’t see how they could possibly be taken seriously as a BCS automatic qualifier.

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by jtesooner on Jun 14, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my BIG question:

Did they change the penalty for leaving? ‘Cause if the Big 10 changes it’s mind and takes Missouri in 2 months are we right back where we were last week?

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

From Chip Brown
Provisions in this Big 12-Lite TV deal keep the schools from jumping conferences. So they are locked in together (for better or worse).

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not a media pundit by any means

But could someone show me how a purely Oklahoma Sooners network can be financially viable?

Is a Big 12 Network without Texas content something that would be viable?

After reading the message boards, I’d say a majority hates this outcome.

by SoonerDutch on Jun 14, 2010 7:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

BevoTV

I’ve heard that OU, Okla St, and the Thunder are looking at having their own network.

Now…will it close the gap with UT enough?

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Is there a report, Id love to see that.

Unless Bennet wants to subsidize us, I don’t understand how a state of three million people with two top 50 media markets will support this.

by SoonerDutch on Jun 14, 2010 7:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was from Gotlieb on the radio.

He likes the big 12 staying together…but he also gets paid by ESPN who appears to be the big TV network.

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

If ESPN is indeed the mystery network this is a brilliant move by them.

They get the marquee game right now in college football, the marquee program(market wise), OU football, Kansas basketball, and they delay the movement toward the super conference, protecting their investment in the BCS.

by SoonerDutch on Jun 14, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that's true, I'd have to think they'd get 95% minimum of the state to subscribe

Just from a size perspective, we’ll never “catch” texass but that’s pretty obvious.

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by jtesooner on Jun 14, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh this is too juicy of a rumor

If you’ve followed this realignment thing one item has come out and that is the mutual admiration duo of Notre Dame and UofTexas, and how each really wanted to be the other.

On the radio, it was speculated that the Big 12 would not expand to ..um 12. BUT that Texas and ND love affair might have ND joining the Big 12 in the future…where ND can keep their TV rights!

Seriously that was on the radio.

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Notre Dame+Texas

Talk about some ugly offspring.

That would be a dream come true for the Big 12.

by SoonerDutch on Jun 14, 2010 8:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

…..my only issue as I stated on another thread, is that I odnt think the Pac 10 was completely honest about their interest, i feel it was a life line being thrown to deflect some U$C criticism & to get some cash flow now that U$C wont be supplying….

screw them & extend invites to Az & aSU

by OU JJ on Jun 14, 2010 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I just don't see how this can work

And I can’t ever remember a time where nearly 100% of OU fans have been so negative towards a decision the university has made. Like Hawk was saying above, every message board I’ve read is nearly unaminous in their negativity towards this decision and I have to agree.

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by jtesooner on Jun 14, 2010 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Would there have been a GOOD choice in all of this?

the worst part was when Castiglione said we were Texas’ Bi$ch.

I mean, we know who’s got the money and who’s getting all the invites, but geeze, don’t put it out in public.

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as I hate the SEC option

that seems like it was always on the table, even without Texas.

by SoonerDutch on Jun 14, 2010 8:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hawk

As you’ve said in many threads, there really wasn’t a great option. But I really think this was the worst off all the options on the table. It just makes no sense and I just can’t stomach Joe C coming out in all the papers and publicly admitting to us being texass’s lap dog.

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by jtesooner on Jun 14, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally I dislike this one the least

….now Joe C’s little misstep…now that’s different story

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Press release: THE NEW LONGHORN CONFERENCE

University of Texas: Austin
University of Texas: College Station (little sister)
University of Texas: Lubbock (little brother)
University of Texas: Waco (political appointee)
University of Texas: Norman (my bi$ch)
University of Texas: Stillwater (my bi$ch’s kid sister)
University of Texas: Lawrence (mens basketball)
University of Texas: Manhattan (state mandated)
University of Texas: Ames (chick basketball)
University of Texas: Columbia (double secret probation)

not original…I stole it

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by Redhawk on Jun 14, 2010 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Sounds about right

I’ve heard they’re calling it The UT10

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by jtesooner on Jun 14, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

This really sucks

Sorry, but this new arrangement is even more boring than going to the Pac 10 would have been. There are now no real competitive match ups in this league outside of the RRR. I know some think it’s too much of a gauntlet, but seriously, going to the SEC would have been so much better from a competitive perspective. Now no one outside of the Big 12 is going to care about Big 12 football…..and I don’t blame them.

by leatherneck1061 on Jun 14, 2010 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Man, I wanted you to join the SEC.

OU and A&M to the Southeastern and Austin to the PAC. That would have been fun from my perspective.

by David Hooper on Jun 14, 2010 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

New article up on the main page

Exploring some of the teams we could add to the Big 12

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by dishingoutdimes on Jun 14, 2010 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

It seems as if Oklahoma fans are upset with this? It seems to me that Oklahoma was the only other team in the BigXII that had any real bargaining power here. I am not sure whetherthey really used it to their fullest extent. And now, they get stuck in the Texas+9 conference, but they don’t get as much money as Texas. Am I alone in this thought?

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by TwistNHook on Jun 14, 2010 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

You're right in observing that most OU fans are upset with this result.

Most fans realize we’re not going to get as much money as Texas and accept that. It’s been that way for a little over a decade in the Big 12. People are upset about the way the athletic department pretty much submitted to Austin.

by SoonerDutch on Jun 14, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mystery TV Contract

Glad someone else is as mystified as I am about this new TV contract. First, the current ABC/ESPN contract runs through 2015, I think. Why would they want to pay more for less: Nebraska left and in all likelihood there won’t be a Big XII Championship game after this season. That leaves us with Fox, whose contract is close to expiring, but gets second choice after ABC/ESPN, and second dibs in the leaner, meeker Big 12 isn’t much. Whole thing’s a real head scratcher….

by SMagic on Jun 15, 2010 12:20 AM CDT reply actions  

From what I understand the reasoning on the rumors that it was ESPN is:

a) They just went through a very pricing bidding war with Fox over the rights to ACC football/basketball.

b) Pac-16 would mean another very important bidding war with Fox, in which they may end up paying more than they have to now for the same games OR they could stand to lose the entirety of the western US TV market.

by GBB4188 on Jun 15, 2010 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

AND

a Pac-16 would be the first step in the super-conferences, which if it worked, would eventually lead to a possible 4 or 5 super-conferences and breaking away from the NCAA and a playoff system.

If that happened….ESPN, would lose a ton of money on all the bowl games in the current system that they promote and broadcast.

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by Redhawk on Jun 15, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Moot point or not

I have some questions I’d like answers to. Since we have now publicly conceded that we are Texas’ b**ch, I was going to suggest athletes and coaches (as well as athletic dept staff) wear crimson and cream skirts with bevo somewhere on them (to show ownership) in place of traditional uniforms, but upon reflection perhaps that is a bit over the top.

This process has really exposed to the public the dictatorship that Texas has imposed upon the Big 12. (Yet another example is the way they reigned in ATM by telling them if they went to the SEC UT would never schedule them for any athletic event again.) At websites like burntorange, this is boasted openly as the way things ought to be. There they advocate against joining any conference where Texas would be forced to accept egalitarian relationships; perhaps if I was in their position I would do the same thing.

My questions are these(and I hope someone can help me out here):

1. I realize that for the board of regents money trumps all else and for the coaches Texas recruiting is very important; but are we now really so dependent that we are afraid to cross Texas? One would think that if any program in the Big 12 were able to stand on its own 2 feet and go a different direction it would be OU. Do they fear sanctions in Norman?

2. If we had gone to, say, the SEC; how would Texas respond? In light of the fact that OU is still a national brand with a solid following in Texas, would our recruiting really suffer?

If anyone can shed some light here, please do.

by leatherneck1061 on Jun 15, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

If we do preserve the Big 12 with ten teams, it certainly looks like we’re taking the “easy” way out –

Yep

the way that will allow us to continue to dominate a weakened conference.

Yep

It also looks like we’re doing this for purely monetary purposes (not bad when you’re one of the top earners).

Pretty much.

Finally, it looks like all of us are caving to Texas, and despite the results that may or may not arrive on the field, we’ll know who really IS the top dog in the conference.

Again, yep.

Shoulda come to the SEC, fellas. I’m sure we could’ve worked something out with you and A&M.
And before you ask, no, I wouldn’t rather have UT in the SEC than OU or A&M, especially now that they’ve shown what scheming, treacherous vipers they are.

by delicious.crab on Jun 15, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

did the SEC offer OU? Did they offer Oklahoma St? Was the SEC even an option?

yeah…I shoulda married Heidi Klum

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by Redhawk on Jun 15, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

They made offers to A&M and OU…not OSU.

Castiglione even acknowledged that.

by leatherneck1061 on Jun 15, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

OU should tell texass to FO

and start up the Big eight minus Nebraska, Colo and Texas. Really cut ties with UT totally. The RRS, who cares, I don’t. After all this crap especially from the OB site, after all it is a Rivals site and they are no better than espin always wanting to be the first with their mouths running spouting crapola. Did anyone even notice that neither OBs nor ESPIN got anything right on this re-alignment. Lots of conjecture but not truth to their reporting of sources.

Time to let UT and their Texassians see how relevant they really are. They play cupcakes for their non Conference games. Got to remember how cool they look beating up on North Texas State. Let UT go it alone and make sure you invite aTm and TT.

by scarab on Jun 15, 2010 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

No Nebraska, No CU, and No Texas ?

ok do you think that Fox/ESPN would still be giving money to that?

OU is going to make $20million dollars from the conference off this “crap”. A Big 8 with out Texas, and they would be looking at Mtn. West Conf. numbers, which is about $2-3 Million dollars per school.

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by Redhawk on Jun 15, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

yuou are not giving OU,OSU, aTm, TT,MU

Kansas and KSU enough credit. Mountain West…. I doubt it. Why does everyone give NU and UT so much credit?

by scarab on Jun 16, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big East?

really their aren’t a lot of choices. The Big East did say they were interested. The Big East teams do make about $5million from the conference.

Which is a long way from the $17million promised them in the Longhorn Conference

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by Redhawk on Jun 16, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh, and Neb and Texas

Nebraska has a national following, one of the few in the country. People in say…Georgia will tune into see Nebraska play. That’s important to TV execs and TV check writers. (Oklahoma has that too.)

Texas has the largest athletic budget of any school in the nation. They are also the most popular team in a VERY populous state. More people, mean more TV’s, and more TV’s mean more TV money.

CU while you didn’t ask, is in the Denver area, and that’s a lot of TV’s, in fact, it’s was the biggest TV market for the Big 12 outside the state of Texas. Losing them, made Texas (the state and the University) even more important to the TV execs in our conference.

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by Redhawk on Jun 16, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rant Time

ok…so I hope this doesn’t come off sounding mean….it’s not meant to. It’s not at any one person. It’s at everyone that seems to be upset about the Big 12 staying together.

OK….so what does everyone think OU should have done? Seriously..you don’t like the fact that we are following Texas….so what did you want OU to do.

Options that I know of:
1) Go the SEC with aTm, and leave texas AND Oklahoma St. behind. OU suddenly loses all our rivals
2) Go the Pac-10 WITH texass. Does that look like we are standing up to texas? Or does everyone think that that the Pac-10 was standing up to texas when they were giving UT everything UT asked for including the Pac-10 taking Okla. St, and Tech, neither of whom are close to Pac-10 academically.
3) Should OU have gotten all the other schools together, in the Big 12 and voted texas OUT of the league? Do you think there would be a TV deal with ESPN and Fox on the table with out Nebraska, CU and Texas?
4) Should OU have gotten the other schools in the Big 12 and fought for equal sharing? Unequal sharing by the way has OU making more money from the Conference 2 years ago (numbers aren’t out for 09/10 yet) than anyone…including TEXAS! Source Omaha World Are you saying OU should have fought for money for Kstate, and Iowa St and taken money out of our own pocket?

In what way did OU follow Texas? Yes Texas is in this league. Yes there are things coming out that favors Texas…but those same things also favors OU.

The only difference I’ve seen…is their network, might be worth more than OU’s network.

I’ve seen a lot of general bitching, and moaning…but nothing I’ve heard is actually about any real or hard choice OU made or didn’t make.

SO WHAT SHOULD OU HAVE DONE TO MAKE YOU HAPPY?

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by Redhawk on Jun 15, 2010 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

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Because we’d actually be standing up to Texas instead of the way you phrased it. This is obviously the best situation for Texas financially because they get their network. If we pressure them into a Pac 16, their dreams of a network is gone and you can’t tell me that Texas alone could dictate to a state with 55 million people.
But no I will admit that people, including myself, have overreacted. In defense, as more numbers about the deal actually come out, I think more fans will be satisfied.

by SoonerDutch on Jun 15, 2010 9:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

so for YOU

and i’m not trying to be mean

The geographic and cultural differences, and travel differences, are less of a concern than the Longhorn Network?

For me, I would say that the Longhorn Network, vs. the Sooner/Cowboy/Thunder network isn’t going to be THAT much difference, and I’m ok with the difference vs all the reasons we really don’t match up well to the Pac-10.

Now…if you are saying that OU and UT having their own networks, would be bad, for the conference, as we should be looking out for Iowa State of the world, and that makes for a stronger conference, than that’s a different arguement, and one…I agree with. However, that would mean that OU is a bad guy in this too…not weak….greedy.

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by Redhawk on Jun 15, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Easily

Travel isn’t a concern for football at all and I’m sure schedule makers will minimize the impact on other sports. Travel is obviously feasible because this idea was going to happen until Beebe rode in on his white horse and saved the Big 12. Regardless, the Pac 10 is a far superior all around athletic conference than the Big 12, so I’m sure most coaches would like the increased competition. I know Galloway was looking forward to it in baseball.

Travel for fans is something that I can see as more of a concern, although the proposed division system would have minimized the travel issue, and it’s not like OU doesn’t travel well.

Culturally?!?!?!?! People of all cultures love money, so I think 25 million a year would’ve made sure everyone is on board.

Show me how OU can make this network work. Listening to Holder today made it seem pretty obvious that O-State is not capable of creating their own network. Look at the teams who have their own cable networks; the Yankees and the Red Sox. They seem to have a bit more following than the Oklahoma Sooners. I don’t understand how a state with OKC, Tulsa, plus Dallas will be able to support a legitimate money making network.

The Big 12 offers less long term stability than the Pac 16. If OU is using this a way to improve their position and bide time until real realignment occurs that’s one thing, but do you really believe that this can last for more than a decade?

But I guess the academics won’t suffer…

by SoonerDutch on Jun 15, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

as for all the complaining, and how we are some how in Texas’s shadow…I’ve not heard a good “What OU SHOULD have done” besides, “stand up to Texas” which is pretty damn vague.

as for the network, first off, it doesn’t include football, unless it’s not broadcast like when OU played Idaho State last year. It would be for 2ndary sports. Like those OU men’s games early in the season or women’s softball. Which I don’t think is much money..even for UT and I don’t think the difference will be THAT much between OU and Texas. Texas and K-state…well that’s different.

IF OU does it with the Thunder I think there would be programing and profitable. Would it be worth the hassle? Not my call on that one.

Having their own network though isn’t new. Yankees have it with the YES network, and they rake. The Nuggets and the Avalanche have it here in Denver (Altitude TV) and it barely makes more than they would have gotten from FOX regional. (the key for Altitude, is it’s owned by the owner that owns both the Nuggs and aVs which makes for another business on top of the teams)

Now if you are arguing that the imbalance between OU and Texas and the REST of the league will lead to power imbalance like the Yankees and the Red Sox have in the AL East…..I think this is a huge issue and I agree. It makes the conference less strong long term. I mean Iowa State is bound to be the Baltimore Orioles.

BUT…it doesn’t mean OU bowed down to Texas as many are saying…if anything we were implicit partners.

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by Redhawk on Jun 15, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think that's a better way to describe the OU-Texas relationship

although obviously one partner is much, much more significant. So when the smaller partner acquiesces to the bigger partners’ plan, even if it improves both schools situations significantly, it comes across as submission. What better for Texas is usually better for Oklahoma.

I understand the basics of the network, it would show secondary sports, coaches shows, and I would guess reruns of “classic games.” If OU could start their own network and make less money than Texas, I’d actually be ok with it because who wouldn’t prefer a purely OU network over a Big 12 network. However I don’t think an OU network is a possibility at all. I was trying to use the AL East teams as a demonstration of the kind of markets you need to create a successful network. The Yankees are arguably the premier sports team on the planet, so that network is going to be a hit. A Texas one will succeed because of the Texas markets; Dallas, San Antonio, Houston, Austin, Ft. Worth, etc. Every article I’ve read has said that a Texas network will be financially viable. With the startup costs to set up a quality network, I don’t see how the Tulsa, OKC markets can generate the revenue necessary.

I frankly could care less about the “power imbalance” between OU and the Iowa States of the world. If anything, we should be making it larger and working to limit our power imbalance with Texas. That’s why I think the Pac-16 plan was such a great move for OU. OU and Texas are closer than other schools, but they’re still ultimately competing. With the Cali schools and an actual conference administration, we would finally have some sort of constraint on what Texas could do. You’re right though, long term the Big 12 can not continue to exist with one superpower, two other less influential “partners,” and seven jokes.

If you want to “fix” college athletics, making it more equitable across the board, build a much stronger, more regulatory NCAA. Prevent the development of super conferences and push back to smaller regional conferences like the Big 8 and SWC. That’s one way to go, but with the impetus to create a playoff I don’t think people want to see that.

by SoonerDutch on Jun 16, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

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