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Way Too Early 2010 OU Football Preview: The Florida State Seminoles

If you think that OU fans are bitter at Florida State over the Mike Balogun situation then you're absolutely right. Because of the FSU compliance office Balogun was robbed of his final year of football and the Sooners were unjustly punished at a position where they were already thin. Now, before the self-righteous Seminole fans take the stance that Balogun only has himself to blame let me point out that, A) the NCAA had already cleared Balogun to play before the FSU gumshoes decided that it was their business to get involved and B) the actual evidence in the case supported Balogun but the NCAA being the fine institution that it is decided to go ahead and punish Balogun on hearsay. 

This whole case was about Florida State not having something that someone else has. Apparently they wanted a player with some semi-pro experience and were turned down by the NCAA so in true temper tantrum fashion they went after Oklahoma. Of course this is the same program that started a guy at quarterback who had his AARP card in the 2000 season. Speaking of the 2000 season, you know what else Florida State doesn't have? If you guessed national prominence then you are correct. You have to go back to the 2000 season to find the last time that the Seminoles were relevant in the landscape of college football as far as national championships are concerned. Of course we all remember how that season ended.

Now that my rant is over let's take a look at the FSU squad that will be visiting Norman on September 11th. We've chosen Ronnell Lewis as the chairman of our welcoming committee.

The Seminoles will be ushering in a new era with Jimbo Fisher at the helm. That in itself is a bit of a travesty because Bobby Bowden still had a bit of ribbing coming his way for all the times he had voted Oklahoma so low in the coaches poll. Nah, he's not bitter over that 2000 Orange Bowl.

Florida State finished 7-6 overall last season (4-4) in the ACC and beat West Virginia in the Gator Bowl. They were 6th in the ACC in points scored (29.8) and 10th in points allowed (30.8). Their offensive strength was their passing game where they averaged 278.8 yards per game through the air. They weren't bad on the ground though with and average of 4.6 yards per carry and 143.2 rushing yards per game. Defensively they struggled equally against both the rush and the pass. They were 11th in the ACC in pass defense (240.3 yards allowed per game) where opposing quarterbacks completed 60% of their passes against them. The Seminoles were dead last in the ACC in rush defense (203.3 yards allowed per game) where opponents averaged 5.3 yards per carry.

Star-divide

 

Offense

Key Losses Position Yards
Rod Owens WR 729

 

Christian Ponder returns for his senior campaign as the Seminoles signal caller after statistically having the best season of his FSU career in 2009. He completed 68.8% of his passes last year for 2,717 yards and 14 touchdowns. He finished the season with an efficiency rating of 147.7. He does lose his top target from 2009 in wide receiver Rod Owens who led the team in receptions and receiving yards. However, Bert Reed who was a very close second to Owens returns as a junior. Also returning as a junior is Jarmon Fortson who led the team in receiving touchdowns with four.

Key Returners Position Year
Christian Ponder  QB SR
Jermaine Thomas RB JR
Andrew Datko LT JR
Rodney Hudson LG JR
Ryan McMahon C SR
David Spurlock RG JR
Zebrie Sanders  RT JR

 

In the running game, Florida State returns their leading rusher from 2009. Jermaine Thomas ran for 832 yards and 9 touchdowns with a 5.1 yards per carry average. He was spelled by Ty Jones who will also be back in 2010. Jones averaged 4.9 yards per carry in `09 and will be looking to increase his carries in 2010 from the 51 he got last year.

Possibly the greatest asset FSU has in their offensive arsenal is an offensive line that remains intact for `09. This is a unit that was fairly young last season and only allowed 20 quarterback sacks on the year. They return this year as seasoned veterans and will try to improve on the already impressive 4.6 yards per carry team average they paved the way for last year. If the Seminoles are going to threaten Oklahoma's home winning streak, it'll because this unit is winning in the trenches.

Defense

Key Losses Position Tackles
Korey Mangum S 34
Jamie Robinson FS 74
Patrick Robinson CB 52
Dekoda Watson LB 65

 

Turnover was needed on a FSU defensive unit that struggled heavily last season but the Seminoles have lost some heavy hitters. The secondary took the brunt of the losses with three key members and a collective 160 tackles gone due to graduation.

Key Returners Position Tackles
Nigel Bradham LB 93
Kendall Smith  LB 85
Markus White  DE 38

 

Returning is linebacker Nigel Bradham who led the team with 93 total tackles, Kendall Smith who was second in tackles with 85 and defensive end Markus White who placed second on the team in tackles for loss with 10.5 (Dekoda Watson had 13). 

As usual they Seminoles will have an athletic and physical defense and they return enough players to form a core leadership nucleolus but the schematics are going to have to be totally different in 2010 than they were last season for this unit to improve to where it needs to be. The good news is that it can't get any worse.

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Air Attack!

With FSU loosing Robinson, Robinson, and Mangum in the secondary, LJ should light them up for about 360 yds and 4 scores. OU-42 ~ FSU-20
BOOMER!

by CPSooner on May 24, 2010 2:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't worry we expect to lose this one in Normand. We simply hope to be in it in the 4th...

and that’s hoping for a really good day at the office in itself.

A Few FSU sided opinions:
1. Mangum is a key lose only because we are thrilled he’s gone. (unsure why he was even on the field… too small, too slow totally mis-read most plays, and had WAY better young talent sitting the bench behind him.) Terrence Parks will be a SERIOUS upgrade.

2. The only Defender we will sorely miss is Patrick Robinson. He is a stand up man cover corner and it would be great to have his experience… that said we will be playing A LOT of zone in the new scheme and will actually have bigger corners playing his old spot which is a better fit. Our secondary will be improved (not sure how much how quickly) as a whole despite the losses. Better talent and better coaching(as you know with Stoops is a secondary guy) at the other 3 spots instantly.

3. Our offense is much better than the 6th in the ACC stat would seem to indicate. that’s not the best stat for the point you’re trying to make. Opponent Adjusted offensive efficiency is the most telling stat of how good an offense is. That puts FSU at #8 following the 09 season and a balanced #8 as you pointed out.

Giddy-up!

by truecolors on May 24, 2010 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

FSU secondary

Talent is one thing, but experience plays a key part as well. Yeah Robinson and Mangum may not have been the most talented players on the field, but you will soon learn that talent alone won’t win the big games…..the potential for the newcomers is amazing, but some of them have yet to take a snap on the field. Don’t annoint the youngsters as All Americans solely based on their STAR ratings through Scout or Rivals my friend.
BOOMER!

by CPSooner on May 25, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the education... both Safties played and are Redshirt Juniors and Sophmores respectively.

The issue with the educated portion of the fan base is both should have been starting.

Mangum was a complete idiot. ANY freshman would be better…seriously! Worst SS in FSU history hands down.

Greg Reid split time at the other corner spot and will be a sophomore, And my guess is a Jr year juco player who’s been in an identical zone blitz scheme already for two years will start at the other spot.. (top juco corner in the nation)

We DO expect a large learning curve. What I’m saying is ANY significant coaching and talent upgrade will be at least a marginal immediate improvement.

How poor is your coaching when you had first round corner talent and still one of the worst secondaries in FBS?

Giddy-up!

by truecolors on May 25, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know what you’re saying, I’ve actually said the same thing about my teams before. I’m sure you know your team and players expectations more so than I do (FSU that is). I was just making sure you weren’t a “STAR” watcher…..like so many fans are. It should be a good game with a ton of talent out on one field.
BOOMER!

by CPSooner on May 25, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would rather the first game of this series be @FSU

Florida State just pulled in a few monsters on the defensive side of the ball. LB Jeff Luc looks like the incredible Hulk. LaMarcus Joyner was the top CB recruit in the nation. Christian Jones and Christian Green are no slouches either.

by KratosWasASooner on May 24, 2010 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Bitter?

That was quite a rant. As for more ribbing of Bobby Bowden…we Seminoles took care of that for you the last few years. I’ll agree our defense was among the worst in the country last year. However with the upgrades in coaching, scheme and personnel, things are looking up. As for the offense, Ponder and company can hang up ridiculous numbers thanks in part to that offensive line you mentioned. So expect to have to light up the score board to stay with us. And if our defense gets at all better we can be a lot better. Before anyone wonders why I’m posting here, I realize it’s an OU blog, but it came up on my SI.com Seminole News page. I certainly hope that the OU football team, coach’s, et al, underestimate the Seminoles as much as you do.

by David Rohe on May 24, 2010 5:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Of course we're bitter

That disclaimer was in the first sentance of the post. If the football team was any way connected to this blog then I’d really be worried. I hope they look other places for motivation. I don’t think that I underestimated them at all. I gave a lot of credit to their offense and spoke realistically about their defense from last season. I don’t see how that is underestimating them. You’re more than welcome to post here anytime. If we can put up with Longhorns on this board we can take a few Seminoles as well.

by ccmachine on May 24, 2010 5:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm really excited about the punt returners

Greg Reid and Ryan Broyles could be the best two in the nation. OU’s kickoff/punt coverage was pretty physical last year.

You got my boy's trophy; he want it back. - Torrance Marshall

by Petersburg on May 26, 2010 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're bitter too

You wan’t to talk bitter? Two words…Wide Right.

by David Rohe on May 26, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apples and Oranges

Anyone purely going on talent alone and stats from last season will be misled about the upcoming game and Seminoles. I’ll summarize; last season the coaching staff was dysfunctional at best and very ineffective. The coaches played players out of position, seniors over better players, and some will say coach(es) sabotaged the defense. The lack of schemes, a playbook and I could go on. Mickey was not into this past season and no one could argue. There were 5 coaches with ‘Head’ in their title. Rumors of coaches in-fighting as well as blows being thrown.

We’re bringing in 2 very well-respected coaches on the defensive side of the ball. And more. Too many changes about the program to name. There’s some serious talent coming in, but too early to count on.

Offense – One of the best in the ACC if not the country with a Heisman candidate at QB. Probably the best OL in the country. The RB coach was replaced mid-season unofficially and the RB stats took off after that with something like 4 out of 5 100+ yd games for our lead back. We have depth and talent at RB and WR. And a great, seasoned back-up QB in EJ (Gator Bowl MVP).

Special Teams – 2 All-American candidates and the #1 kicker in the country when signed. And #5 Greg Reid, the nation’s leader in punt returns.

So yes, questions about unproven talent but reputable coaches on defense but all other aspects of the team are solid.

If this game were later in the season, I’d put everything on the Noles. Remember, the Noles have never lost a 21+ game in the lost decade aside from the Gators. We rise to the challenge. Just saying.

by Blazenole on May 25, 2010 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Underestimate please! Diff between OU '99 and '00 for Noles right here.

  Wish that was true, but all of us noles would be remiss to forget 30-0 home loss to Wake in ‘06. UUGGHH! However do think we have a legit shot in this one with an offense that will be every bit as talented and balanced as anything the Big 12 has produced in the last 2-4yrs. Doesn’t hurt that OU will have nothing to go off of but UA tapes of Stoops’ D, and the team in general won’t have to show anything more than the most vanilla of formations in the opener vs. Samford. The way I see it if the O has 2 or fewer turnovers (only Clem and USF gms last year were bad, 2/13gms) and we keep Murray from gettin’ all Spiller on us we should be right there at the end. With a 5th yr. Sr./ 3yr. starter @ QB havin’ a shot in the 4Q that’s as good as you coould want in a rough environment.

by Brian Mitchell on May 29, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

2001 Orange Bowl

If Mark Richt hadn’t been working the Bulldawg shift leading up to and during that game, would there have been any doubt? The great man he is, admitted as much to being at fault for losing that game and being totally unprepared on the offense. A loss is a loss but to kick that in the air and brag on it is wrong. Anyone in the football world knows the truth.

Consider it a gift.

by Blazenole on May 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm excited a little trash talk has started

You got my boy's trophy; he want it back. - Torrance Marshall

by Petersburg on May 26, 2010 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yippee! We've got to get our trash talking out of the way now... BEFORE we lose! : )

Better get Boomer to circle the wagons, the indians are coming!

Make sure Ma and Pa are under the wagon wheels and the musketts are loaded!

Totaly kidding…sortta

Giddy-up!

by truecolors on May 26, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

going historical?

wagons burned from flaming spears, and the Seminole Nation never surrendered.

by David Rohe on May 26, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Seminoles survived Jackson

After three wars, the army could never find all of the villages and gave up.

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on May 28, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Weinke & FSU

Classic Torrence Marshall….

We went to Florida this Christmas, well Disney! We figured as long as we were there we should see FSU & the swamp. Doak Walker is amazing. It is a great venue! On the other hand Gainesville & uf are complete crapholes… The campus is disgusting & the swamp is buried in overgrown shrubs etc. My 4 y/o wouldn’t get out to go pee. I am not kidding. And if u think LNC is “old” & not modern, uf’s bball venue looks like some place a 3A high school would play in. I personally will be going to fsu next fall for the game.

by OU JJ on May 27, 2010 8:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

OU Fans

Are great! I watched the 2001 National Championship Game in a bar in Seattle and just happened to be the only Nole there. Ten OU fans showed up and I was feeling seriously outnumbered. However, once they figured out I was pulling for FSU, they invited me over to their table and we proceeded to drink too much and give each other a hard time. But it was all good-natured. After OU won, they insisted I stay and wouldn’t let me spend any money. Which is good because after that game, I needed a lot of drinks. We ended up shutting the place down.

One of them was this outrageously good looking girl who kept buying me shots. One thing led to another and I ended up spending an incredible evening with the woman who would become my wife. Okay, I just made that part up. But I still had a great time in spite of the outcome of the game.

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
Buford T. Justice: The god damn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

by GonzoNole on May 28, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

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