Color Me Paranoid
by omsooner on Apr 24, 2010 11:31 AM CDT
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I don't know how to say what I need to say without sounding like the whining wimps that exist south of the Red River. Finally realizing that was impossible, I have decided to just suck it up, forge ahead, and suffer the consequences.
Watching the last two days of the NFL draft has forced me to post what I have been feeling for a LONG time. Say what you want, but my eyes don't lie and my ears don't lie.
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The bias of this network is beyond belief. I have no idea what they have against the University of Oklahoma and it's athletic programs and athletes. I have reached the point where I don't care. Problem is, I a sports-a-holic, and essentially have no other choice when it comes to getting my sports-fix. If anyone has an alternative, PLEASE comment so I can rid my life of the horror show that is SportsCenter.
To the best of my knowledge, for the FIRST time in the history of the modern-day draft, the University of Oklahoma had THREE of the first four picks in the NFL draft. IMO that's a big damn deal. Have any of you heard a report regarding that historical event? Not me. I expect it would have been a lead-in to their coverage if it had happened to the University of FloriDUH. How bout the University of TexASS?
The Big 12 conference produced FIVE of the top six picks in the current NFL draft? Did the network mention that? Would they have "mentioned" that fact if it had been their beloved SEC? Where the hell is Dan Beebe? Isn't at least part of his job to promote the BIG 12, especially when it excels?
Did I miss the interview with Sam Bradford after he was the #1 selection of the draft? I know I didn't miss the interview with the "chosen one" when he was drafted #25 by Denver. Their coverage seemed to me like the Tim Tebow show. This network announced that he was the "greatest college football player of all time" and does not miss an opportunity to put him on the air. Will it never end?
The lead into SportsCenter on Friday was not about the #1 pick in the draft. No, it was about the #25 pick. They are just a joke to me. Boys, your bias is showing.
The final straw for me happened last night, and is ultimately what prompted me to vent. When the King of Whine announced the #85 pick of the NFL draft, by the Cleveland Browns, was Colt McCoy, I threw up in my mouth. Thank God Bob Stoops has more class than Mack.
I'm am open to suggestions. I have contacted the network through their website and receive the standard automated "reply". I am not deterred. I find myself e-mailing them almost daily. Again, if you have a better suggestion, I welcome it.
I am willing to accept the pub related to indiscretions by OU athletes, and they are quickly and loudly reported by those hypocrites in Bristol. All I ask is the same type of coverage when good things happen, like this years NFL draft.
Whew, I feel better.
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Worry less. I mean, not to be a jerk, but who cares what ESPN says. We went 8-5 this year. If we win another title, that should take care of most of your anger.
"When you play happy, good things will happen"-Elvis Andrus
I thought they talked about it plenty
and I they did interview Sam. I don’t think the whole deal got as much coverage as you would expect because it was expected, whereas the Tebowtravishamockery was not. You’ll see a lot more coverage about the OU/Big 12 domination on dedicated college football sites. ESPN is in full on NFL mode.
Now, if you want to bash ESPN for something then please, continue to bash them for letting that a** clown Craig James ever to be allowed on air.
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I totally agree...
with your comments about Craig James as do all of us over here at Double T Nation. As far as your boys getting 3 of the top 4 picks…kudos…now beat Texas…
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I totally agree about the a**clown – while I won’t condone what leach is accused of, it certainly did not HARM the kid. It may have embarrassed him, but I assume that was the intent. If nothing else, I will hope that leach wins his law suit(s) and hopefully it will cost james his spot – he brings NOTHING to any discussion.
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displaced sooner
i got your cheese right here
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displaced longhorn
WOW that was prespicacious. Can I assume because you are displaced that you have been banned from your normal sites?
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Haha, I dont even know what that means
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Nope, moved from Texas to New England, though I’m back now.
by Displaced Longhorn on Apr 27, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Uggghhh, New England...
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Draft coverage
You should really start watching the NFL Network for draft coverage. Doesn’t even compare. They did interview Bradford and even aired a sit-down interview with him on the second day.
As for Mack announcing the pick…I’m not sure what the big deal was or why it was classless. Mack was actually there to help with the NFL Network’s coverage of the draft. The NFL (who controls these things) probably thought it would be a nice moment to have him announce the pick.
And they did mention Oklahoma’s dominance in the first four picks, and the Big 12 in the first round.
Plus, like it or not (and I don’t either), Tim Tebow remains a big story. Especially going in the first round.
clarification
I watched both networks, but I was talking about what ESPN did, in fact, do with its coverage.
by Jason Mayer on Apr 24, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
It is frustrating that they are THE sports network
and so few of them offer intelligent analysis. I recently watched the 1971 ‘game of the century’ between Nebraska and Oklahoma and couldn’t believe how much more informative Bud Wilkinson and the other commentator were than Herbstreit, Craig James, Corso, et al are today.
It’s just annoying.
Also, I think it’s good to appreciate the accomplishments of the teams you support and focus less on how they are perceived by other fans/the media.
You got my boy's trophy; he want it back. - Torrance Marshall
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Totally agree about the commentary. I have GREAT pride and appreciation in the OU athletic programs. I was simply expressing the sentiments discussed amongst my friends when the network comes up. There just seems to be no lack of negative attention. So, to clarify, the reason I pay attention to what is said is because of the obvious influence they have with those who vote in the “polls” and that directly affects every athletic program. Personally, I don’t give a bleep. I don’t need anyone’s approval to love the Sooners.
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Yea Mack Brown is classless
because he was doing coverage for the NFL network and they asked him to announce the Colt McCoy pick.
Really?
Go home.
Hobbes881
Technically his coverage for the NFL network was on Saturday, rounds 4 thru 7, not rounds 2 thru 3 on Friday. I also doubt they “asked” him. More likely he “asked” them. Finally, to quote ccmachine, I AM HOME, why are you visiting?
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I still don’t understand how it’s classless…
by Displaced Longhorn on Apr 26, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
It's classless
Because it takes away from Colt’s moment. As hard as it is for him to let go, Colt’s gone and while I think he’ll be a failure in the NFL he still deserved his moment while being selected. Mack was clearly there to simply pimp his whorns and brings very little if anything to a discussion regarding NFL football. It was a glorified commercial for his program and by doing it the guy simply confirmed how big of a slimeball he is.
Wouldn’t expect you or any whorn to agree with the slimeball comment, but if you think him being there (and if I’m not mistaken actually conducting an absolute joke of an interview with Colt at one point) on didn’t take the spotlight off Colt even just a little you’re kidding yourself. It’s the kid’s moment, just let him have it Mack.
"We call him The Hammer." - Bob Stoops on Ronnell Lewis
Not remotely classless
So every other guest who announced a pick, then, is classless, huh?
It was a way for the NFL to try to battle the monotony of later rounds. Colt appreciated the gesture. Stop fishing for dumb reasons to bash Mack Brown. It is, I’m sorry to say, “paranoid,” and shows a rather sad lack to see anything Mack does with an objective lens.
As for this original post, there’s a lot to bash about on ESPN, but from what I saw, there was plenty of draft coverage for Bradford. Too much for Tebow? Of course. But that was expected well before the draft even began, especially if he went to somebody stupid enough to take him in the first round.
by TheElusiveShadow on Apr 26, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't see how it's classless.
I might be able to see it if it was in the first round, when most people watch the draft, but honestly if Stoops announced the Bradford selection I probably wouldn’t be too upset. I’d be surprised but not that upset.
There’s plenty of other reasons to bash Mack Brown…
by SoonerDutch on Apr 26, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
First of all, to the best of my knowledge every other guest that I saw announce picks had something to do with the NFL. Second, Mack was only scheduled to be on the NFL Network during Saturday’s broadcast yet there he was a day early. Now you could argue his reasons for coming on a day early, I’m sure I’d have my theories and you’d likely have some different ones.
Look, I get the fact that the guy was asked to be there regardless of the fact that I think he really had no reason to be there. That doesn’t change the fact that he could have easily declined to announce the pick and certainly could have declined the interview he conducted. The guy cannot say no to an opportunity to whore himself and his team/program/players and I don’t care what you say, that is absolutely a legitimate reason to criticize Mack.
"We call him The Hammer." - Bob Stoops on Ronnell Lewis
"I don’t care what you say, that is absolutely a legitimate reason to criticize Mack."
Take a step back and read that again, and consider that A) You’re not listening to reasonable arguments that you’re making way too big a deal out of this and B) A fellow Sooner is even telling you that. Bashing Mack Brown is expected in this rivalry, but this is really fishing for something that’s not there.
by TheElusiveShadow on Apr 26, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure
How a simple discussion within this story is “making way too big a deal out of this?” Maybe I’m confused as to the purpose of the comments section.
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further reason t o despise...
if it was such a special deal for smack & colt how do they other horns feel? so basically sergio (look out) kindle & houston’s picks in the 2nd round didnt merit being announced by that “father figure” or that Shipley’s pick a few earlier wasnt good enough for smack? thats the annoying part & the part that pi$$ed off fans here in Tx where I live… it cheapened Colts selection & made it look scripted & it totally was. do you recall Berman basically yelling here it is? trying to jump in as smack walked on stage, but berman was about 5 seconds too early. If he was there to do NFL stuff fine. If you are there for Colt before for them all, I mean come on! If Stoops had done Bradford, he would have McCoy, Williams & Gresham. Smack even had a first rounder that he could have announced. Give me a break, he is almost worse about Colt than he was little Crissy ….
just my opinion, as yours is yours
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Got it
So he was supposed to do coverage on the 4-7 rounds (I did not know that) but of course he was there a day early. What was he to do? Wake up at 5 AM and take a flight to New York so he can be there in time for the draft? No. Of course he was there early to go over the topics, and chat a bit with his fellow commentators.
I think we will disagree over who asked who to do the pick, because of your views of Mack Brown differing from mine.
The go home part? You could say I got carried away haha. My b.
In regards to not doing all of the Longhorn’s picks, that would be absurd! Colt was obviously the most recognizable Texas player over the past few years, and it was neat to see Coach Brown announce the pick. You would have the entire nation wondering why Mack Brown did all the Texas picks if that were the case. This way, it was classy, and a nice touch.
In response to jtesooner…
you need to take it easy buddy! You’re getting all riled up about something that isn’t that big of a deal. About the whoring comment…one could argue booby poops pleaded with McCoy, Bradford, Gresham, and Williams to come back so that he could whore his program. Unfortunately for these guys, Bradford and Gresham got hurt and had to sit out the year. Without Williams and McCoy, the sooner team last year might have fallen apart completely. Poops knew this, and wanted to whore his players and program.
See how you can make this statement about any coach? Stop letting your rivalry bias take control over your statements. Give credit where credit is due. I don’t remember too many sooners bagging on Mack when he lost 5 in a row. Now that he starts winning, the insults start a pouring.
you must have a short memory. Let me answer that for Chris…. mack is always been ragged on. Anyone who looks & sounds like Roscoe P Coltrain & is the coach of a rival is gonna get bagged on period….
I ll give you not all the Texas picks, but what about Shipley 2 picks earlier? This didnt look classy, it looked cheesy & planned. It wasnt anything except emberassing…. I got UT alum at work & for a spouse, trust me, most thought it was trite….
Anything more than 1 pick
would have been excessive. What is he supposed to stand out there two times in a row?
LOL… cause the whole and entire nation knows by now that “McCoy & Shipley are life long friends & good hunting buddies & blah blah blah blah blah” that espn/ABC shoved at everyone at every chance they got, YEAH…. smack could have announced Shipley then Colt. Instead he looked like a scripted cheeseball….
Dude
don’t even begin to tell me about how much ABC talked about Col/Ship being best friends. I had to watch every game and listen to every announcer say it a bajillion times a game. I’m on the same page with you on that one.
But what you are telling me is that you would have preferred to have Mack announce 2 back-to-back picks because ABC/ESPN whored the Colt and Shipley roomies thing? That to me would have looked scripted and cheesy.
thats true enough, who knew they would be back to back….
But, was there another single college coach who introduced a 3rd pick?
Mack is in a class of his own, he’s a pioneer, not a lemming.
by Displaced Longhorn on Apr 29, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I find it interesting Hobbes
That you apparently have this magic ability to know my mood or anxiety level through a simple comment I make here. This is a simple civil (so far) discussion about something I perceive as one way and you perceive another. It’s really that simple, but if you want to try and turn it into something other than that be my guest.
As to your point, yes one could argue that Stoops "pleaded" with the players you reference to come back so he could "whore his program" and that one who would argue such point would be a complete moron. Your feeble attempt at an argument makes no sense. Bradford came back went #1 overall. McCoy came back went #3 overall. Williams came back went #4 overall. Gresham came back went #21 overall. I’d love for you to explain to me how any of them coming back hurt their draft stock? If anything they either improved or at worst went around the exact same position they would have gone last year, so again please explain how them choosing to come back was "Stoops whoring his players and program" again?
Let me help you understand how things really work real quick. Dom Franks was given a 2nd-3rd round grade by the draft committee and where did he wind up? I think it’s pretty clear he would have benefitted from coming back another year, but despite the advice from Stoops he chose to come out and be a 5th round draft pick. Clearly he made what he felt was the best decision for him as do all of these kids even the whorns. Whether you or I think it was the right decision means very little as I’m sure you would agree. All this without even mentioning that until VY, almost every texass player came back for their senior year so does that mean that Mack finally gave up on "pleading" with his players to influence their decision to come back?
This conspiracy that texass fans have that Stoops gives these kids bad/false advice in order to convince them to come back to school is so beyond absurd it’s hard to fathom, even from texass fan (and that’s REALLY saying something). As much as I hate Mack I would never go so far as to say that he doesn’t have his player’s best interest in mind 100% of the time. Pete Carroll, now that’s a different story, but that’s not who were talking about. Now I’d argue till my last breath that he uses every single possible opportunity to pimp his program and while yes in theory there’s nothing technically wrong with that it certainly makes him seem like a slimy used car salesman. He can conduct himself however he sees fit and texass fan will eat it up while Sooner fans will rip him for it. That said, what else exactly would you really expect us here to think of Mack?
"We call him The Hammer." - Bob Stoops on Ronnell Lewis
You basically proved my point
that no matter what gooners say and poopsy does, Texas fans think booby poops is a giant douche bag. No matter what Mack says, you guys think he is whoring his players/program and always whining and complaining.
He can conduct himself however he sees fit and texass fan will eat it up while Sooner fans will rip him for it.
Same goes for poopsy.
I enjoy the banter back and forth though, kudos for being logical and reasonable. Although we may not see eye to eye on most things, it is nice to have a discussion with a rival without wanting to gouge my eyes out every time I visit the rival board.
Media Bias
The only way OU gets the publicity it deserves is to win championships, then they have no options to bypass the Sooners.
Chill out Bros...
Let’s all just Durant it out…
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by Jon Woods on Apr 27, 2010 8:31 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not gonna lie
I really like having him as kind of a “neutral zone”. He has what it takes to be an NBA great.
Assume the position.
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I never watch them, they have had their own agenda and are in the business for money and entertainment. Never the truth, always deception. Kinda like our Federal Gov’t. Drop them like a rock and use the net, word of caution… stay off their web site as well.
It's not just paranoid - it may be the most unintelligent & uninformed FanPost I've ever read.
1 – If you think ESPN singles out your sooners to some particular level of neglect, don’t flatter yourself. They are the media – deal with it. Besides an understandable east coast bias, simply due to their location AND the east coast population, they follow the most interesting news stories to viewers. USA 309 million; Texas 25 mill; Florida 18 mill; Oklahoma 3 mill. Do the math. sooner fans are a small lot, esp. after a down year. Besides that, 3 outta the 1st 4 picks? – Congrats! Underachieving to an 8-5 record? – Priceless! Win some games and be nationally iconic, a.k.a. Tebow (1 NC), Colt (45 wins), & Suh (beastly sr. yr.), then you can expect to dominate draft coverage. Bradford had PLENTY of air-time. Too bad it wasn’t the 100% of OU coverage that you whined for. Oh yeah, if you didn’t like it, why didn’t you just turn over to the NFL Network?!
2 – Big 12’s big draft. Yeah, they mentioned it plenty. So what?!
3 – Tebow’s draft speculations & subsequent 1st rd. pickup were the MUCH bigger story than Bradford going #1. You may not like a classy kid like Tebow but it doesn’t change the fact he was, and not by his own fault, THE national media darling over EVERY OTHER player, not just OU players. Accept it & move on.
4 – “King of Whine”?! announcing Colt McCoy as the pick? Geez, your bias is showing badly. Besides Oklahomans, everyone else in American thought it was cool that Mack announced Colt as the pick. He was already there working for the network, he was announcing a kid who he obviously had a special player-coach / fatherly-son relationship with for 5 years, 90% of the country likes Mack, there were plenty of other celebrity pick-announcers, and – please take note – when interviewed, Colt even thought it was a really special thing. Just because you hate the guy, doesn’t mean everyone else does. UT & OU BOTH have great coaches who are very different in approach while still producing wins, recruits, top-flight programs, fan-followings, university pride, & accountability & maturity in their student athletes. Only an idiot homer would think that MB is a whiner and Stoops is not. They are both vociferous defenders of their teams & their players – neither any less classy than the other. Mack Brown is as classy AS IT GETS, admirable for what he has done in his life and for what he has done to benefit those who go through the UT program.
Grow a spine, Get a life, & stop being so paranoid!
The drafting of TIm Tebow was not a "MUCH" bigger story than Bradford going #1.
That “may be the most unintelligent & unformed” statement I have ever read.
I am assuming cob = corn cob. When Mack Brown goes on national tv during your game against your rival…. lets say Colorado for example, to lobby (WHINE) about his team we will see how you feel about him being labeled a “whiner” . Ask California fans how they feel about his “lobbying” (WHINING) for his team…ok?
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