Just When I Thought I'd Seen It All...
by dishingoutdimes on Feb 20, 2010 8:17 PM CST
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For those of you who weren't at the game, at the last TV timeout (about 3 minutes to go), all of the Kansas State fans decided to move down right behind their bench and take over that particular section in the lower bowl. There were a lot of them at the Lloyd Noble Center, and they were loud all game. I give them credit for supporting their team in numbers like that and generally keeping it classy.
But, I have to say, I've never seen a bunch of visiting fans take over a section like that before and then proceed to act like they just won the title. They were yelling, doing all their cheers, even going so far as to all scream on defense when T.J. Franklin was bringing the ball up the floor, and K-State up by 15. Yes, that T.J. Franklin.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble. --John Madden
I don't think I've seen such an overreaction for such a minor accomplishment, such celebration for defeating one of the worst teams in a conference, or such celebration for knocking off a .500 team. Even Texas fans have never done anything like that. When I was a kid, one of my football coaches always told us, "When you win, act like you've won before". I think that applies nicely in this situation.
With that being said, it's troubling that our team can let someone come into their house and let them walk all over them like that. They look like they have no fight in them whatsoever, and if a team goes up by more than 5 or 6, they just fold like a house of cards. Our team has absolutely no mental toughness. You could see it in their body language. At one point, only down by 7 or 8, I saw Fitzgerald hanging and shaking his head. Last time I checked, down by 7 or 8 with more than a few minutes to go counted as "being in the game". Once again, you can't blame the loss on anything other than stupid mistakes and a lack of toughness (seems to be a theme, no?).
In any event, the Wildcat fans can enjoy their victory over a mediocre team that just gave up. And Sooner fans can do nothing but shake their heads and hope for better luck next year.
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KSU Fans
I went to KU and one season in football when K State was in the Bill Snyder heyday they came to Lawrence to play the Jayhawks. They were ranked in the top 25 while Kansas was mired in a mediocre season. KSU was a 10-14 pt. favorite and they won going away…Then their fans stormed the field and tore down KU’s goalposts, even though this was like their 5th consecutive win in the series, they were the vastly superior team, and everyone expected them to win handily. KSU fans have no idea how to win because they rarely actually win anything.
"When you play happy, good things will happen"-Elvis Andrus
Lying? Idiot? Lying Idiot?
Revisionist history from a KU fan.
It seems you might be understating the importance of this win for KSU. It was the first 7 game winning streak for K-State since 1931. The Wildcats had not won a game in Lawrence since 1969. At that point in the season it is also a stretch to say “Kansas was mired in a mediocre season” and although I don’t have access to the Vegas line for this game in 1994, it is very unlikely the K-State was 10-14 point favorites. At this point in the ’94 season KU had the 2nd best rushing offense in the NCAA and if I remember correctly a VERY talented defense. K-State did not win “going away” either. Although K-State did take 21-0 lead, KU did a pretty good job trying to orchestrate a comeback. The final score was 21-13.
But don’t take my word for it. Relive it in all of it’s glory here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqZKABvCUPo
Say what you want
They beat a 6-5 Jayhawk team that also lost to TCU. All you are doing is proving my point that they have no tradition of winning and therefore no idea how to handle it. “Congrats” on the big win back in 1994 it was still incredibly lame to go charging out onto the field. Sorry, it is what it is.
"When you play happy, good things will happen"-Elvis Andrus
Culprits
The season ticket holders have been visibly absent throughout this season. A lot of “down in front” action plus heading for the parking lot with ten minutes left in the game is more than a bit disheartening. The team has had a great number of what could charitably be referred to as “growing pains” this season, but sometimes I think our fans take success for granted. (Yes, this goes back to the home crowd booing the football team for dropped passes.) K-State fans managed to consolidate themselves at the end of the game solely because the season ticket holders cleared out early, although the student section didn’t exactly acquit themselves well either. / End rant
by Bill Self's Hair Piece on Feb 20, 2010 8:35 PM CST reply actions
Yeah,
I saw people bailing out when we went down by 5 with like 13 minutes to go. That was a head scratcher…
by dishingoutdimes on Feb 20, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Dude I know
I can’t understand the thought process. Clearly the thrill of beating the rush in the parking lot exceeds that of actually cheering on your team. Do you remember when the Baylor students’ section invaded the LNC last year?
by Bill Self's Hair Piece on Feb 20, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
We had trouble filling LNC on a regular basis last year and that was w/ the player of the year and an obviously much better team. So the empty seats do not surprise me at all, but that doesn’t mean I’m not incredibly disappointed by them. We consistently put 85k+ every other Saturday in that stadium so why are we unable to consistently put only 12-13k in LNC on a regular basis? I get that this team isn’t going to inspire fans to show up, but this isn’t exactly a new problem for OU basketball.
It’s widely known throughout Big 12 country that OU fans don’t show up for men’s basketball games (women don’t seem to have this problem) and at least where I’m at (in KS) are routinely made fun of for this fact. And as a proud OU fan there is absolutely nothing I can say in response because I am continually embarrassed by all the empty seats at LNC. This is acceptable in places like Stoolwater, but should not be acceptable in Norman.
There is no acceptable reason that we can’t get 15% of the people who show up for football games to pay a third of the cost (or less) for a much better seat to support a basketball program that deserved better in years past and is in desperate need to support this year. No excuse at all.
Not sure I understand
Your question Dutch. I’m simply saying if we can get 85k to fill up the football stadium on a more than regular basis, there should be no reason that we can’t get 13k into LNC on a regular basis as well.
Is it just me or is this team seriously poorly conditioned???? They just look like they hit a wall at about 13 mins to go & start running in mud…
Yeah I'd agree
Tiny actually came to play for this game as did Andrew Fitzgerald (which was a pleasant surprise and stood out as the bright spot here) But generally yeah there seems to be a lack of hustle and we always lose the battle in terms of transition points. However, as long as Orlando Allen stays off the court my blood pressure usually stays in check
by Bill Self's Hair Piece on Feb 21, 2010 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Jacob Pullen (KSU guard) post game comments.
“We knew they were there the whole night, when we scored we could hear them. They were spread out amongst the gym. They did a great job of just letting us know they were in the building supporting us. It is always great to go on the road and get a win and you can see your crowd cheering you at the end of the game.”
I think the excitement that was part of the ksu cheering section...
was simply because we won a tough road conference game and guaranteed ourselves another week in the top ten. Not because we beat a “mediocre” team. And what happened to that Crocker guy? I thought he was a pretty good player in the past. Now he is a non-factor.
And I know I shouldn’t talk about basketball uniforms too much, but lose the cream and go back to regular white. Icky.
EMAW
K-State reaction
As a K-State fan who attended Saturday’s game, I can tell you that most of the enthuiasm was because we wanted our team to know we showed up in full force at an away game. I’m sure that if a group of opposing fans took over Bramlage in a similar fashion, I would be annoyed too.
PROUD & PURPLE
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