OU Football - offense chokes yet again in a big game
This is not meant to take anything away from CC's offensive recap or the countless spot on comments from all our loyal readers, but there was just too much wrong with our offense last night for me to contain my disappointment.
Obviously, short of the team bus being hijacked by a crazy deranged Longhorn fan pushed to the edge of his sanity thanks to his beloved whorns getting embarrassed on their home field by the mighty Iowa State Cyclones and failing to arrive at the game altogether we couldn't have started this game any worse. So we might as well let the bullets start flying there.
- Allowing the opening kickoff to be returned for a touchdown in a road game, with a crowd just looking for a reason to stay involved in the game early, thanks to yet another god awful kickoff is beyond inexcusable. So after all that, our offense comes out and goes three and out. Again, there is no plausible excuse for allowing this to happen. The problem starts with the fact that Ryan Broyles comes into this game with an apparent undisclosed ankle injury that limited him almost the entire game. So knowing that now after the fact, does it make sense to start the game with three plays all designed to go to the same guy who is also playing at 85%? You don't want to mix in a run maybe Kev?
- Let's get into the run game discussion. 23 carries, really? Mizzou had success stopping the running game (primarily DeMarco Murray) at times, but when OU focused on the run game they did so with continued success. Considering the way Roy Finch was running the ball, the fact that he only had nine carries is a borderline fireable offense. Yet for some reason Kevin Wilson decides to put the game squarely on the shoulders of our QB who has unfortunately proven he cannot be counted on in road games courtesy of 50 pass attempts.
- I mentioned the kickoffs and they continued to be a problem. First it was O'Hara being very inconsistent and then they went back to Way in the 2nd half who was yet again unable to reach the end zone. Way also did not have a stellar game punting the ball and at least in my own humble opinion appears to be playing through some sort of an injury. Call it a tired leg or maybe it's something more serious, but he is clearly not the player he was last season or even earlier this year. Jimmy Stevens is beyond words bad at this point. I had zero doubt in my mind that he'd shank that 30 yarder, especially when I saw it was way over on the right hash.
- There's obviously a kicker bullet above, but I think you'll agree this more than deserves it's own recognition. I don't care who it is, but the coaches need to decide amongst themselves who is the lowest on the totem poll. Once that person is determined, they can pick up their final paycheck with HR and start searching for new employment. They will be immediately replaced with a full-time kicking coach. How many more games does this have to cost us before Stoops realizes what they're doing isn't freaking cutting it? It's not just missed field goals, even as bad as those are, it is the repeated terrible kickoffs that lead to either touchdowns like last night or outstanding starting field position for our opponents. Forgive the paranoia, but it is unacceptable that a school like Oklahoma State can have a cold blooded kicker and OU continues to have a guy like Jimmy Stevens on scholarship.
- If Mossis Madu is on the field again as a RB for OU, then Cale Gundy may need to be fired. Sorry Mossis, you've had a mildly decent career but you cannot be counted on any longer. And yes to answer your question CC, the only reason he has and will likely continue to see the field is because he's a senior. Honestly, I know he had that huge kickoff return but that was the first time ever he's done anything like that on a kickoff and if he never left the bench again I'd be just fine with it.
- I may be crucified for the following statement, but this offense is significantly more explosive with Roy Finch at RB. He just has a burst that DeMarco Murray no longer has and proved repeatedly last night that he has the burst to get to the corner (credit to omsooner) another thing Murray can apparently no longer due on a regular basis. I'm not ready to go so far as to say Murray should be benched, but every effort should be made to get Finch on the field early and often.
- For all you Kevin Wilson defenders out there, I'd like to here your excuse for that 4th quarter.
- I am stunned that Stoops' decision on that failed two point conversion is not a bigger story. I suppose it's because of the fact that it proved to be irrelevant to the final outcome, but it was one of the dumbest decisions he's ever made as the coach at OU. His explanation after the game that he went for it so they would know what they had to do on the ensuing kickoff is quite possibly the most stupid thing I've ever heard. I'm sure this will illicit the typical "So you think you're smarter than the coach" type comments, but even the casual football fan is smart enough to realize you kick the PAT there and give yourself a chance to be within one score kicking the onsides. Even at that point, you still have two TOs and could kick it deep and pray that your defense can actually show up for once that night. By going for it and failing, you're now down two scores so even if you recover the onside kick (odds clearly not in your favor), go down and score, get the two point conversion, you're still down a point. Now you have to again do an onside kick, defy every all the odds and recover a second time, then likely have to score yet another TD because your kicker sucks like no other. So that's evidently what Bob considered their best option to try and win? Really Bob?
- Again, two more major problems with Stoops at the end of this game. Your down nine, with zero timeouts, and only two minutes remaining and you punt the ball back to your opponent. I guess I missed it, but apparently with that punt Stoops also threw a big towel somewhere towards the 50-yard line at the same time? If that's not a complete give up call then I don't know what else is and again I'm sure I'm overreacting but that has to send a very, very bad message to your players. So then after that abomination, they wind up getting the ball back, again still down nine points, and they call an absolutely retarded lateral play that was apparently designed to either get somebody hurt or score the first ever nine point TD in the history of organized football? And that might be the defining moment of this game while also being one of the most depressing. We were thoroughly out coached by Gary Pinkel and Co.
- Kudos to Cam Kenney for having a couple nice catches and most importantly zero drops. Same to Trey Millard for having a great performance in his own personal homecoming. To Ryan Broyles for a gutsy performance fighting through an ankle injury. To Kenny Stills for his continued development into likely the next great OU WR.
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I've wanted to say this but didn't want to come over here last night:
Roy Finch and Trey Millard are studs.
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JTE tha last paragraph was great
and I expect those players to come on strong as well and become the leaders next year. A player does not have to be a senior to be considered a leader. They are learning their chops now in real time. They will remember the lesson from last night. Pee poor preparation = pee poor performance.
The other bullets, dude you got balls. You have extremely valid points which in turn raises big questions. The Kicking game truly deserves investigation. The other things concerning players and coaches, well maybe it was like this…BS,KW,and BV had plans in place and when they didn’t work and the dam was breaking they just tried anything they could. I am sure the coaching staff was caught up in the moment. KW is not very inventive nor creative under fire and sure will not step out of his comfort zone. BV is not either. I was very surprised that BS showed a lack of strong leadership during the game by allowing or calling for the 2 pt conversion at the wrong time. BS can say what he wants but that call was wrong wrong wrong on Saturday night, and it is wrong wrong wrong on Sunday afternoon. It wasn’t a game changer by any means, but it’s the thought processes we are seeing. I just thought of this, what if we had the ’net and the forums back in The Kings reign, would he hae been able to make it?
I thought I read another one of your posts where you mentioned the Gasman was hurt. I didn’t know that. When did that injury happen and what’s that prognosis?
hey… we’ll get over this and move forward. Ou might even see MU in the BXII game in Dallas. If so I hope the outcome is in OU’s favor.
apparently it happened in practice
And no one knew about it until game day. It was pretty clear it affected him throughout the game and he sat more plays on Saturday night than he has in the last three years.
"I don't like Texas. I don't like the city of Austin. And I don't like the color orange. It reminds me of puke." The Boz
You can miss what you never had, ask Bob Stoops about Cam Newton
Hindsight is 20/20, but I bet that Coach Stoops is regretting not telling Cam Newton he could start if he accepted our scholarship offer. Coach Stoops basically stood by Landry, or at least made no promises. That’s the kind of guy he is. He has integrity. He is fair. I respect that. But Cam is still 7-0 and we are still 6-1. Who know’s if telling Cam he would start would have mattered in the battle for the juco transfer/Heisman candidate? All we can do is go forward , and with that said here is the future as I see it for the Sooners.
We still have a chance to reach great heights this year. A conference championship is very attainable. The first order of business is to look at film and figure out what happned , why and what we are going to do to fix it. Winning the next 4 conference games will get us to the Big 12 championship for a rematch with Missouri which we most certainly can win at the neutral Cowboy stadium. Or against the Cornhuskers, a game in which we would probably be favored.
Take care of our business in the Big 12 and it will require no undefeated teams or 1 undefeated and a 2 loss SEC champion. We will get that extra BCS push on Dec 5 because we have a conference championship game against a likely ranked opponent while the Big Ten , PAC 10 , Mountain and WAC are idle Dec 4. with the exception of Boise State who curiously scheduled a game on Dec 4 with another cream puff.
Speaking of Boise State. It was Kirk Herbstreet who said Boise State could play with anybody right now. Well Herby, any top 25 team can play with anybody on any given saturday. That doesnt mean that they should be in the top 5 in the preseason poll with only 2 top 25 teams on their schedule, Virginia Tech and Oregon State, (the later of which is no longer ranked in the top 25).
Herby do you honestly believe that if Boise was in the SEC or Big 12 that they would win 11 games? I dont think so.
In conclusion, Sooner Nation, Keep the faith. Keep winning. Lets see how things shake out in December.
great comments, I'm with you on this
now my rant: I am literally sick and tired of Herbie praising BSh. State. That idot know they could not hang all year long with SEC, BXII nor the BX
Watching Nebraska's kicker yesterday angered me!!
that guy trotted out and booted all sorts of long kicks with a smile on his face.
Our kickers seem to have the Deer in Headlights look every time they kick.
How we dont have a kicker is one of the great mysteries in college football!
jimmy stevens....
looked absolutely terrified of a 30yd field goal!!! Absolutely TERRIFIED! As soon as he walked on the field i knew the kick was going to be trouble.
by soonernation9 on Oct 25, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Sunday Morning coaches
Its amazing how these posters are always suddenly coaches. I really dont understand. If your football expertise is so sound and lucrative, why isnt some college paying you 150k a year to make decisions? Better yet why isnt some junior college paying you 40K a year to make decisions?
It’s easy to sit back and itemize all the mistakes and miscues of OU – Mizzou last night and what should’ve been done. Anybody can do that. All you have to do is watch the game and say “oh, I wouldnt have done that. This is what should’ve been done.”
Nobody really cares what you think should have been done because nobody’s paying you to make decisions for the team. No matter how reasonable or strategic or educated your ideas about offense and defense sound, youre just another disgruntled sooner fan.
There’s nothing new about what you’re saying. It’s just recycled frustrated words from every sooner fan for the past 40 years. So stop it !
Hey its just our opinions and thoughts about the games and the teams.
I assure you that I am not qualified to coach or make big decisions regarding the team.
This is however a site built for fans to talk and express opinions on the team and games that have been played. Hey if you dont like it dont read it. So far my experience on this site has been great and all the people have been very nice and mostly upbeat and realistic about the team this year. For me Im very happy where the team is now building off last year and our future looks even better. Sooner Fans are some of the most Passionate in the country and I see Passion on this site not disgruntlment. Living here in Dallas most my friends are not Sooner Fans so this is a place I can come to a talk a little football and thats all. I have more important things like my family and job as we all have.
As an 1991 Alum and my older sister a 1984 alum Sooner Football has been a huge part of my life for 30 years and I could not be more proud!
Trying to figure out why VCPCORP would question someone's personal analysis on a blog.
Do you not understand what this forum is for?
And you did say in your post, “nobody really cares what you think”? Really?
Maybe you should listen to yourself.
‎"It's the same damn team so we're going to do the same damn thing. We're gonna run the damn ball." ~ Barry Switzer
by Sooner Vince on Oct 26, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
That after posting his own thoughts earlier in the thread? So apparently it’s just what I think that nobody cares about. Good to know, so again thanks for the update VCPCORP!
"I don't like Texas. I don't like the city of Austin. And I don't like the color orange. It reminds me of puke." The Boz
I may be crucified for the following statement, but this offense is significantly more explosive with Roy Finch at RB. He just has a burst that DeMarco Murray no longer has and proved repeatedly last night that he has the burst to get to the corner (credit to omsooner) another thing Murray can apparently no longer due on a regular basis. I’m not ready to go so far as to say Murray should be benched, but every effort should be made to get Finch on the field early and often.
Why not go with Finch at HB, Millard at FB/TE, and Broyles/Stills/Murry out wide? Gets our best play makers on the field and opens up more choices to send Murry or Broyles in motion for a jet sweet handoff, etc.
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Offensive Failure?
I think you guys are going a bit hard on your offense.
You went up against the 2nd best scoring defense in the country and were only outscored by 2 points after the first 30 seconds. Yeah, your defense wasn’t playing well, but I really don’t think it was your offense that was the problem in this game.
No offense, but you really aren't qualified to argue this
In theory, you may have a point but our offense was a problem last night. Yeah they put up yards, but the turnovers were game changers and the 50 pass attempts were the exact of opposite of what we needed to do to win this game.
I continue to be amazed at just how insecure these Mizzou fans appear to be and their need to come here to seek validation for this victory. You were the better team last night and deserved to win the game and did just that. So why exactly isn’t that enough for you?
"I don't like Texas. I don't like the city of Austin. And I don't like the color orange. It reminds me of puke." The Boz
Maybe
Because the constant theme on this site and nationally is all about Oklahoma’s mistakes. It seems like no one noticed that Missouri won in spite of: two fumbles in their own territory; giving up a 85 yard kickoff return; having a holding call on a Gabbert touchdown run and settling for a field goal; and having a litany of atrocious defensive penalties.
In addition, Oklahoma fans know nothing about this but its pretty frustrating to be a Missouri fan from a national respect perspective. When we were 5-0 everyone said, “paper Tiger” no road victories beat A&M and we’ll talk. So Missouri goes into College Station as a 7 point underdog and hammers the Aggies. The talk was then, “Aggies suck, beat Oklahoma and we’ll talk.” So Missouri dominates the LOS and beats Oklahoma, and the new talk is “Oklahoma not good and they made too many mistakes.” In other words, no matter what Missouri does there is always a new excuse to minimize our success. It sucks.
fix that by winning and after you win, win some more and don't stop winning...
then respect will come.
by soonernation9 on Oct 25, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah that and don't go around after winning how you still don't get any respect.
"I don't like Texas. I don't like the city of Austin. And I don't like the color orange. It reminds me of puke." The Boz
Yeah, and keep whining about it because you people do a great job of that
only BuSh State does a better job of whining, that makes #1 and Mizzou #2 in that category, Good lord man you are #2 celebrate that!
Again
It’s an OU fan site genius, we’re probably going to spend most of our time on OU. We’ve given Mizzou more than enough credit throughout the site, so if you’re not capable of comprehending that I can’t do much else for ya.
"I don't like Texas. I don't like the city of Austin. And I don't like the color orange. It reminds me of puke." The Boz
I understand...
And you’ve all been mostly generous. Once the “new” Big 12 begins, lets hope that Missouri manages to keep its skill level up. It would be nice to have a conference in which we have four consistent Top 20 teams: Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Oklahoma State. Would be better for all of us. Hope to see you guys again in Dallas.
Missou Fans- You really dont want to see OU in Dallas
Missouri was the better team last saturday. Dont push it ! No disrespect but OU is at least 14 points better than the final score indicated.
On a neutral field, with national title implications , I think the result would be a little different. But before I get ahead of myself. If OU runs the table. If Missouri runs the table. That would be “pure turnaround”. On saturday Missouri was playing for respect. In a rematch OU would be playing for respect, and votes.
All that would be inconsequential if Oregon and Auburn and TCU remain undefeated. I exclude Boise because they have no BCS ranked opponents left, and by natural order of the BCS formula, they will be left out come Dec 5. Regardless of that little prop game they scheduled on Dec 4th against another nobody.
Back to my point. A BCS title game that features an undefeated team and a one loss team is certainly possible. With only 7 undefeated teams left, 5 of them going on the road this saturday- the chances for 1 or no undefeated at season’s end are great.
confused
Hi,
I have a few questions:
First, I can’t figure out how to just start my own thread of comments or questions…I don’t understand how the web site works, I guess. How can I just post a question?
Second, and this is my real question – how can I find out how many rushing attempts we average per game vs. passing attempts. I think it is rediculously lop sided, but I’d like to see the actual stats…where are they?
Thanks,
Sooner Mark
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