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The Obligatory "We're Still In It" Article

After the crushing loss to BYU in the season opener, and with bad injury news about Sam Bradford and Jermaine Gresham, the Sooner fan base was unquestionably skeptical that the Sooners had legitimate national title aspirations. On top of those things, the offensive line was also committing penalties and had major blocking issues, and the wide receivers couldn't hold on to balls that hit them in the hands. Those are actually still issues, to a certain point.

Many people started penciling OU in for a few losses, figured that Oklahoma State was suddenly the best team in Oklahoma, and basically ruled out a climb back into the title hunt.

However, after the first back-to-back shutouts posted by the Sooners since 1987, and a combined 109 points scored in both of those games, the clouds may be lifting for OU. We'll dig into the reasons why Oklahoma appears to still be in the national title hunt, but first a few shoutouts regarding the Tulsa game:

  • Landry Jones:  Congrats, you just put yourself on the national stage by tying a record that had only been met two other times in history! Jones threw 6 touchdowns in the game, which broke the OU single game passing TD record. He also tied the single game passing TD record for a freshman, only met by Luke McCown in 2000 and some guy at Indiana in the 1940s. It appears as though the redshirt freshman QB is more than just a "serviceable backup" for the Sooners.
  • Brandon Caleb:  It's probably not been too much fun sitting on the sidelines over the past few years, especially after the injury during his sophomore year. However, Caleb gives the team a second receiving threat to Ryan Broyles - something they desperately needed without Gresham suiting up this season. He showed up big time during the Tulsa game and had some of the most reliable hands of any Sooner receiver.
  • Brent Venables:  It seems like every time the Sooners have a somewhat disappointing game, people are calling for Venables to get canned. Granted, the defenses have been average, at best, over the past few years. However, this defense is loaded with talent. So far, they've held teams to 4.6 points per game, which should be good enough to win you most games. They won't lead the NCAA in yardage defense, but they are opportunistic and efficient. If Venables keeps it up, the defense should keep the team in pretty much every game.
  • The Offensive Line:  I was shocked to not only see very few penalties, but a solid, mostly unbreakable wall in front of Landry Jones for the entire game. Jones had lots of time to make decisions, which definitely helped him settle in during his 2nd career start.
Enough positives though, let's move on to the precise reasons for hope, and the reasons you shouldn't count the Sooners out of the title hunt just yet.

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The latest polls just updated today show that Oklahoma has jumped into the Top 10 in both the AP and the Coaches' Polls. Taking a look at these polls is crucial to understanding why the Sooners still have a chance, beyond the obvious observation that they are the highest ranked 1-loss team.

First, the AP and Coaches' Polls comprise 2/3 of the BCS calculation, with the other third consisting of 6 computer rankings. Therefore, where the Sooners are ranked in these "human" polls has a large bearing on where they wind up in the BCS rankings that decide who plays in the national championship game. 

Second, the Sooners get to play two teams ahead of them in the AP rankings, and one team ahead of them in the Coaches' rankings (Miami is 13th in the coaches poll). This has two benefits - if they win out they will jump those two teams, and wins over top 10 opponents may jump them over some undefeated teams with a worse strength-of-schedule.

If we operate under the assumption that OU will win the remainder of its games, including the conference championship game, then that means there will only be seven teams ahead of them in the rankings, because they will have defeated Texas and Miami. Since you only need to be in the top two to qualify for the championship game, we only need to be concerned about jumping 6 additional teams. 

Sec-football-helmets_medium The gauntlet that is the SEC will provide some additional help to the Sooners title hopes. Four SEC teams are currently ranked above OU. Three of them are from the SEC West (Alabama, LSU, Mississippi), which guarantees that, at best, only one of them will be undefeated by the end of the season. It's possible they'll all knock each other off. Even if there are two undefeated SEC teams by the end of the season (unlikely), they would meet in the SEC championship game and only one would advance to the BCS National Championship game. We saw how voters view "rematches" when Ohio State and Michigan met a few years back - and it seems like a rematch of a conference championship game is unlikely to occur. Therefore, if OU wins out (and that's a big if), we would likely jump three other teams as well, possibly four depending on how the SEC season goes. This leaves three more teams to be worried about, and these are the teams you should follow closely over the next few weeks. We'll give you a quick breakdown of their schedules:

 

  • Penn State:  The Nittany Lions play in the Big 10, an obvious advantage. Not only is the conference "down" lately, but they don't have to play in a conference championship game. They host Iowa in their next game, and Iowa has won 6 of the last 7 meetings versus Penn State. A road trip the following week to Illinois could be somewhat difficult. They also have to play at Michigan on October 24th, and they host Ohio State on November 7th. Will Penn State slip up somewhere along the way? Too early to tell, but there are a number of games that could be difficult. It's not like they blew out Temple yesterday. They also only beat Syracuse 28-7.
  • California:  This would also be a bit concerning, but the Pac-10 appears to be a bit better this year. After strong showings the first two weeks against weak opponents, Cal struggled to put away Minnesota on the road. They face an immediate three game stretch of tough opponents. This weekend they have to travel to play at Oregon. Then they host USC, a talented team who will undoubtedly want to avoid another loss. They finish up with a trip to the Rose Bowl to play UCLA, who seems to be playing better this season. Their last game is at Washington, who is now ranked (#24 AP), and most of their toughest games are on the road.
  • Boise State:  There's really no reason to suspect that Boise State won't finish the season undefeated. They did get a good game from Fresno State, but they play in the WAC and there's a clear talent gap between them and the rest of the conference. Their toughest remaining games are probably back-to-back games at Tulsa and at Hawaii. The real question is whether or not the voters would favor an undefeated team with almost no major victories (Boise St.), or a 1-loss team who has defeated numerous ranked opponents (OU).
If you believe that Penn State and California will both have losses by the end of the season, and that Boise State will either lose or the non-BCS conferences will continue to get shut out of the championship game, then Oklahoma basically controls it's own destiny with regards to reaching the BCS title game.

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Oh, the memories...

The other perfectly legitimate question is whether or not a team could catch OU from behind? I think that OU is the 1-loss team with a unique combination of having a quality opponent that they lost to, losing early in the season, and having many ranked teams left on their schedule (5 using the AP Poll). Therefore, I think that it's unlikely, and there's a reason why the Sooners are the highest ranked 1-loss team right now.

Of course - and I'll bold this for emphasis because it's important and I'm sure I'll get comments about it unless it's mentioned - this entire discussion is moot if Oklahoma doesn't win out. The Sooners right now need to keep their focus away from poll-watching, and keep their eyes on the prize. Can they beat Miami without Sam Bradford? Will they be able to beat Texas, even with Sam Bradford? Can they play consistently enough to win in perhaps the nation's toughest conference? All of these are questions that we don't have the answers to.

The point of this article is merely to show that it's very realistic for the Sooners to climb back into the title hunt. In order to do this, the defense needs to keep playing at a high level (shutouts are always welcome) and the offensive line and receivers need to continue to improve. 
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As a dye-in-the-wool BSU fan, I fully expect Oklahoma to pass us in the BCS polls in the next two weeks. Last year we were undefeated and a two loss Ohio State team pushed us out. That is just the way it is right now. If you can think of one thing BSU can do that it hasn’t done to be in the championship. Let us know. Don’t say schedule harder teams. Scheduling takes place years in advance. Miami-Ohio was at the top of their conference when slated, same with Bowling Green. Other than Oregon teams, no BCS teams want to do home and away with us. I don’t see any invitations to the Mountain West or Pac-10 — though we do belong to the Pac-10 in several other sports including wrestling where we are reigning champions. The question is, how many undefeated seasons are enough to be invited to the BIG show. If Oklahoma had undefeated seasons 3 out of 5 years with only one BCS invite, what would the fans do? Think about it.

by BSU81 on Sep 20, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow, I'm glad that my article has spurred such great discussion

Thanks for contributing the Boise State perspective. It really IS difficult for Oklahoma fans to appreciate the frustration of having an undefeated season and not getting invited to the championship game.

To most voters, they will put in the teams that have overall looked most impressive. Last year there were no undefeated teams, but it was pretty obvious that Florida looked good. Their one loss was to a team that eventually rolled Tech in the Cotton Bowl (a “quality loss” so to speak). Oklahoma was equally impressive, and lost to Texas on a neutral field. More than the “quality losses” are the “quality wins”. Everyone can remember Florida annihilating Georgia. Everyone can remember Oklahoma crushing everyone with 60+ points in five consecutive games.

The problem for Boise State, and I’m not blaming them because it’s really an unavoidable problem, is that anyone they crush is deemed to be a mediocre or inferior opponent. That being said, I still think they deserve their fair shot. The old saying is that you can only beat the teams on your schedule.

Ideally, I’d like to see a playoff that seeds in conference champions. Ideally, I’d like to see it be 8 conference champions and the conferences that get bids are determined by a combination of play throughout the season for all teams in the conference, and the BCS rankings. Also, no special treatment for Notre Dame – Independents have to join a conference or finish in the top 8 to receive an automatic bid. I was thinking of writing an article up about my playoff idea, but I digress.

The point is that I think that Boise should have a shot at proving themselves in a post-season format that gives them a chance to win the title. Why not? What is there to lose? I think it’s just that a few people’s wallets will get a little lighter and they don’t like that.

Finally, with respect to the larger point I was making in the article, because of the reasons you articulated in your comments and everything I said in the article, I do think that if OU wins out in convincing fashion, they will be able to jump Boise State.

As of right now, ESPN’s bowl predictors are saying we’ll lose to Texas and wind up in the Fiesta Bowl against Boise State. Wouldn’t that be a fun rematch?

by dishingoutdimes on Sep 21, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nutshell

“an unavoidable problem, is that anyone they crush is deemed to be a mediocre or inferior opponent.”

That is it in a nutshell! I still roll my eyes when people tell me that the only reason BSU won the Fiesta Bowl is that Adrian wasn’t at full strength (true) and that it wasn’t a good year for Oklahoma. My response is that the reason Oklahoma is so good is that they have such depth of talent they if they run out of one position — they are so overblessed — they can pull a receiver and make him quarterback and still tromp teams. They are good even when not at full strength — a much better measure in my opinion that how they do when everything is going their way.

This year, BSU beat Oregon and immediately everyone said, oh, Oregon wasn’t all that good after all. Same old song. Maybe, just maybe, they didn’t look good because they were overmatched by BSU. Oregon seems to be doing just fine playing other folks.

That said, a BSU / Oklahoma rematch would light up Phoenix. Who wouldn’t want to see that!!! I can’t help but think but that Oklahoma would bring their A+ game. That alone would be worth the price of admission! BSU measured against a field of grim-faced, determined Sooners bent on world domination. My idea of a perfect game.

 
  

by BSU81 on Sep 21, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you have to accept some games that arent necessarily a home & away series. Try to push some consistent Pac 10 team to a neutral site. Ex : UCLA or ASU (not power necesasrly but name recognition) to a game in San Diego (fertile recruiting). Or maybe a team such as Mizzou/Nebraska/Illinois in Kc or Chicago. Then if they dont want to play you on a neutral site, they look bad. Also, you cant say BG or Miami-Ohio on top of their conference, because MAC is going to be for grab year after year.

by OU JJ on Sep 20, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Funny you should suggest a neutral field. Boise State will open its 2010 football season against national power Virginia Tech at FedEx Field outside Washington, D.C. Though FedEx field is a couple thousand miles closer to Virginia Tech than Boise (g), it is close enough to neutral for me.

With half my relatives in Nebraska, I would love a neutral site game against the Cornhuskers. Maybe in Denver or Salt Lake where both sides could pack the stadium.

As for the BG and Miami-Ohio games, the bigger mid-major teams can only schedule what is, not look into the future and see who will be great. Personally, I think we are playing the wrong Ohio teams this year. I think though that a consistent home and away with Utah, TCU or BYU, which has been done in the past, would be great for whichever side had the better team that year. But they have been strangly shy about scheduling BSU these past couple of years. I don’t see BSU being invited to the Mountain West any time soon, Utah, TCU and BYU have enough on their plates playing each other.

by BSU81 on Sep 20, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

or maybe an average Big 10 team such as Iowa or Northwestern, maybe team like Arkansas would be willing to play in a metro area. Va Tech is a good game, a winnable game to improve national perception.

by OU JJ on Sep 20, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good start.

Look at BYU. I fully believe that if BYU won out and there was only one other undefeated team they would not only be in the BCS, they would be in the championship because the voters would view the OU win and the “hypothetical” FSU win as legitimate proof they are not benefiting from a joke schedule, regardless of the MWC’s strength.

by SoonerDutch on Sep 20, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I absolutely agree that with their schedule, if BYU had won out, they should have been rewarded with a shot at the national title. Alas, now we will never know, because for a mid-major, one strike and you are out! Can’t have a bad hair day ala USC.

I am tempted to let the “joke schedule” slide, since Oregon is now winning. I assume it was meant as a slam against BSU. Pre-season strength of schedule bears little resemblance to end of season strength of schedule. For example, put Michigan on your schedule. Is that good or bad? Truth is, no one knows anymore. Factor in scheduling several years in advance and to an even greater degree, no one knows what the strength will be. Especially if the perrennial greats have their schedule all full up, thank you very much. No room at the Inn.

by BSU81 on Sep 20, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=68

That’s all that needs to be said…
Putting Michigan on your schedule will earn a lot more points than putting Tulsa on your schedule, even if Tulsa is comparable, because of the perception and the exposure that would generate for your program.
I understand that being Boise State it’s difficult to get good teams to play you, when they could pay Idaho State for a easy victory, but if you schedule teams who are more than likely to be good, more than likely they will be good and you can reap the benefits of scheduling.
It’d be great if the Pac-10 would let you in, this this debate would be irrelevant.

by SoonerDutch on Sep 21, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pac-10 BS would be a good fit,

until then they should just dream about the big game. Playing in that conference is going to get them nowhere as it should. You can scream all you want about the Big Least and the ACC but they are east coast teams (where there is TONS of money) and they will always be in. Money talks, everything else walks. FACT of life.

The mid-majors would be last in any major conference if they had to play a major school week-in and week-out. Playing a major one time a year and winning that game means one thing, they played and won that day. That can happen for any team. Appy State is the example.

by scarab on Sep 21, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Put BSU in the Pac-12

You are probably right that most mid-majors would start at the bottom of most BCS conferences. However, I think that BSU, BYU, Utah and TCU would be the exceptions. In recent years, Boise State has beaten Oregon twice, Oregon State twice and was within a couple points of winning Oregon State away twice. These mid-major teams would probably enter into the Pac-10 around 3rd or 4th. Then once they had access to Pac-10 recruiting, they would move up, improve facilities, stabilize coaching — though BSU is very stable right now. So I would prefer BSU go to the Pac-10. As I stated earlier, we are already playing in several other sports in the Pac-10 and are very competitive.

For me, it would be enough, at least at first, just to have the opportunity to play USC, UCLA, California, and the others. The thing BSU fans crave, is the chance to compete against the best — no matter the outcome. One of the highlights of our program was the year we went to Georgia and they cleaned our clocks! We lost, but that loss helped us to grow as a program. Last year, when we went to Oregon and their infamous stadium, we remembered the lessons learned at Georgia. And the outcome was radically different. If you want to understand BSU mentality, it has to do with the purer side of competition. Winning is always nice, but the true reward is being able to play teams like Oklahoma.

by BSU81 on Sep 21, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boise St and the Mtn West

actually after next year, will be the next time the BCS guaranteed conferences will be looked at. it’s assumed Boise St will get a BCS invite to the Mtn West, as Boise St’s past BCS games would be counted to the Mtn West. So it’s actually probable as of right now Boise State will be in the Mtn West for the 2011 season.

That is unless the Pac-10 expands to 12 which is rumored as well. In which case there could be a lot of movement around conferences.

by Redhawk on Sep 21, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually think the Mountain West is one of the better conferences

Adding Boise State to the likes of Utah, BYU, and TCU will make for a great and competitive conference.

I think that would also prompt the BCS to give the MWC an automatic BCS bid.

Boise really needs to find another conference, the WAC does them a disservice.

by dishingoutdimes on Sep 21, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you are into the conference realignment stuff

I came across a few articles over at mountianwestconnection.com a fellow SB Nation site.
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Also from there I found this article that had just as informative follow up

by Redhawk on Sep 22, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, I know I see the world through Crimson glasses, but Texas looked very very average Saturday night. That is a Tech team that is probably pretty comparable to Tulsa. It was a home game & this is coming off the mediocre Wyoming game. Keep in mind Colorado shut out the same Wyoming team. I am not saying they arent talented, Texas has their own set of issues. And why have a WR playing TE & call it TE? Just play with another wide out….By the way, I came home to a house full of Texas fans, so I watched it for 3 qrtrs.

by OU JJ on Sep 20, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey, you got to be true to your school. I watched the Texas game as well out of casual interest. I was rooting for Tech by the end. Mostly I just wanted the announcers to shut up about Miami. They win three games and suddenly they are the media darling. Tell you what, I will start thinking Miami is good AFTER the Oklahoma game. It irks me that an announcer can use his position to go stomping for a team in the polls.

BTW, I know Oklahoma people do not like BSU, but Oklahoma is really respected around here. Mostly because they played us hard. We know Adrian wasn’t at full strength, but that last run of his took our breath away. On his last play as a Sooner, I watched from the end zone when he found that extra gear and zipped in untouched, I knew I had just seen greatness. It was an honor to have played a team he was on. I was also impressed with the quality of Sooner fans. First class and honorable each and every one I met.

by BSU81 on Sep 20, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks, yes that last run was breath taking, But you should have seen the same runs at like 70 & 80 yards, he had some amazing runs against OSU over the years. It was a good game & I think if you put some truth serum into OU fans, they would say that after the Bomar mess, Oregon & Peterson’s collar bone, they would not have expected to be in the Fiesta Bowl, regardless of how that game ended.

I am actually planning to go to the Tulsa/BYU game in a few weeks. My family is in Tulsa & I enjoy seeing good opponents in Tulsa when it doesnt conflict with an OU game (as a season ticker holder).

Yeah, Miami has some athletes, but I was less than impressed with Ga Tech 2 weeks in a row. I can promise there will actually be some OU defenders in the area of the WR for Miami, as opposed to Ga Tech secondary. And, FSU should have beat Miami….

by OU JJ on Sep 20, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

OU and the National Champ picture

IS OU back in it? If OU wins out…do they have a legitimate shot? Now I’m not saying OU will win out. I’m just asking is there enough bias against OU and their BCS performances of the last few years, to have the media, and powers that be, saying “OU has one loss….take anyone besides OU, please.” Or will OU get a shot again??

Actually just getting to ask this question makes me happy. The team looked good enough Saturday against Tulsa to think they have a chance to win every game they play. I didn’t think that before the Tulsa game.

by Redhawk on Sep 21, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Only if

the Sooners win convincingly over Miami, Texas, KU and Nebraska. Only then will there be a chance to the big game. Not necessarily a big offensive win but a defensive smack down by the Sooners. I think that is what the pollsters and media want to see. A lock down defense to play Fla. And I am not giving the NC game to Fla by any means. They can be beat and could end their regular season with a loss as well.

by scarab on Sep 21, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Fla will win out

but I do think that the SEC champion with one loss is a lock for 1/2 the NC game.

then it will come down to Boise St, Pac-10 winner, Big 12 winner, and Big 10 winner. If Cal wins out, I think that’s the other NC game team. But if those conf. winners all have one loss….and OU wins the Big 12 again….I really hope we don’t get passed over.

by Redhawk on Sep 21, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Politest discussion I can remember

Just a quick word. This has to be the politest discussion board I have seen in a long time. Thoughtful, considered discussion. Refreshing to see good manners. Seems that ranting and abusive comments have become the norm in many of the fan blogs.

Thanks for allowing me to participate and show a sliver of the BSU perspective.

Till we meet again.

by BSU81 on Sep 21, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Feel free to drop by occasionally!

I really like getting perspectives from other fan bases. Great discussion about the entire issue, and IF the Sooners can’t make the championship game, here’s to hoping we get another shot at you guys ;)

by dishingoutdimes on Sep 21, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let Me Just Add

That we’ve worked really hard to make this a fan friendly site to fans of any team. Profanity and stupidity are not tolerated here but logical conversation (regardless of who your team is) is always welcomed. Thank you for adding to the conversations and thank you for noting the difference between us and the other guys.

by ccmachine on Sep 22, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

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