Rivals, Hatred and Sterotypes
A blanket email was sent out to the various SBN’s Big 12 blogs in the name of "research." A few of our fellow bloggers have already weighed in on the questions and now it’s our turn. While Jeff Capel has made significant strides in leading
My name is Tyler Hissey. I'm doing some research on sports taunting and the kind of things that would make a specific team's fan base tick.
As the Big 12 bloggers of SB Nation, I would greatly appreciate if you could answer the following questions about the program you cover and its fan base.
Not a hard one here, the Oklahoma Sooners are the team we cover and cheer for.
Who do you consider to be your team's biggest rivals?
In conference I would rank them;
1)
2)
3) Nebraska (Respected)
What teams and specific players do the casual or die-hard fans of your team hate the most?
Well, any player in a burnt orange jersey is going to be hated by Sooner fans. It’s just that simple, regardless of how amazing they were to watch. For example, if you ask a Sooner about Vince Young then they’ll talk about his freshman and sophomore seasons where he suffered losses to OU as well as his failures in the NFL and totally ignore the 2005 season.
Ask a Sooner what the best part about Sam Bradford winning the Heisman Trophy last season was and they’ll tell you that him beating out Colt McCoy was almost just as enjoyable as watching
Ask a Sooner what the best part of winning an unprecedented third consecutive Big 12 Championship was and they’ll tell you that it was the fact that the Longhorns were at home watching it on TV.
I think that pretty much sums it up.
If you wanted to taunt players from the conference, who would be the biggest targets? The rest of college football?
I’m not real big on taunting players as they are still 18-22 year old kids who are being exploited for millions of dollars by universities. However, the universities and coaches that dangle an $80K education over the heads of these young man while netting upwards of $4 million per scholarship football athlete over the course of their four years on campus are fair game.
There are three schools in the Big 12 Conference that draw the worst out of Sooner fans in the areas of taunting and hatred.
1) The Texas Longhorns worship a castrated cow and think that there is no other program in the nation that has anything as an equal. At least
Then there’s the uncanny resemblance between Mack Brown and Roscoe P. Coltrane. How can you not make fun of that? All he needs is a dog named flash and potbellied boss who always wears white and stays on the cusp of being verbally abusive. How do we know for sure that isn’t taking place in
2)
Stage one comes during the preseason and continues through the first part of the season. This is the stage where delusional o-state fans are telling everyone that this is the year of the Cowboy. They’ve got the coaches, players and now facilities to become the best team in the Big 12. What they don’t seem to understand is why everyone is laughing at them.
Stage two comes shortly after conference play begins, also known as the excuse stage. This is when we hear that the Cowboys have some of the most talented players in the conference but they are young and lack the experience of some of the other schools in the conference. According to them,
Stage three arrives just after Thanksgiving Weekend. Known as the so close yet so far away stage it is when we hear the official battle cry of the Cowboys, "Just Wait Until Next Year!" This is when we hear how the Cowboys went toe-to-toe with the Longhorns and Sooners and just barely lost because of a busted play or a bad/missed call. We are also enlightened to the fact that to a Cowboy fan a fourth place finish and an birth in the Insight.com Bowl are significant signs of improvement.
3) The Missouri Tigers are fairly new to
Now instead of achieving greatness the Tigers are the answer to the trivia question - Who did
I realized that I confessed early that we don’t agree with taunting players but we just can’t ignore the ego we affectionately refer to as Booger.
What kind of taunts would sting the casual fan of your team the most—going after the make-up of the fan base, individual players, coach, school, or the state?
Cheaters! Like every college football program in the history of the world,
Another is the assumption that the fan base, and Oklahoman’s in general, are ignorant. Not sure where this stereotype comes from but none the less it’s there.
Finally, the Choklahoma phrase is used quite often to rub fans for not winning recent BCS Bowl Games.
In 100 words or less, best describe your team's fan base.
The first thing that I would say is that Sooner fans are loyal. Much was made about this year’s 99% season ticket renewal but even during the bleak years of the John Blake era
The next way I would describe the fan base is passionate. Sometimes that brings out the worst in Sooner fans and I’ve always stated that a person should never underestimate the stupidity that passion can bring about but you do have to appreciate the passions that OU fans have for all things Sooner.
What are the common stereotypes associated with your team's fan base and the school in general? In what ways are they true/false?
Well, as I said earlier,
One of the few rules to claiming a lot of land was that all participants were to start at the same time. Those who went too soon were called "Sooners". Sooners were often deputy marshals, land surveyors, railroad employees, and others who were able to legally enter the territory early to mark out choice pieces of land for themselves or others.
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OU Hypocrisy
What balls! How can you even mention boogers after the widely ridiculed YouTube video of the OU tennis coach at Wimbledon?
I also laugh at your reference to the broken down wagon bringing “early” settlers to Oklahoma. Early? How about CHEATING?
So far as Texas thinking they have a better program – Head to Head vs OU
All time record – 58 – 40 -5
Last year – Texas won (in fact, I think its now 3 out of the last 4.
by Rosey on Jul 15, 2009 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for validating my point
about ignorance with the term Sooners.
The Wimbledon video was classic but A) This wasn’t a post to bag on your own school it was about your opponents B) It was about football and not tennis.
I see your 3 of 4 and raise you 6 of the last 9 for Oklahoma 4 more Big 12 Conference Championships and 3 more national championships.
Glad to know this post got under your skin. That means it served the intended purpose.
by ccmachine on Jul 15, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what text book
you got that quote from…but I like it….even if it’s made up.
I hate Texas.
I like how you have Missouri at Number 3. Nebraska is a bigger rival still, but there is just a lot of mutual respect, as in many ways we are mirrors of each program, and the best of college football tradition.
Your note about the Sooners being loyal I thought was interesting. I think they are more loyal NOW then they were in the past. I sat in a lot empty games during the Gibbs, Schnelly, and Blake years. I’d have said the OU fan for the most part if very knowledgeable about college football in general. They know and watch other games from around the country and can usually talk semi-intellectually about Florida or BYU’s program, and their history. Sure there are always the “blank school SUCKS” people everywhere, but by and large I’ve always been proud of the way Sooners know and can talk college football with fans of other schools. (something I’ve really only seen from the fans of 3 other schools….Nebraska, Florida, and Alabama)
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
by Redhawk on Jul 15, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's made up by Soonersports.com.
See my comment below for why it’s made up.
by ajax77777 on Jul 15, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CCMachine do you get a lot of history from soonersports.com?
Are you afraid to reveal your source? You should probably cite it.
You’ve used it previously.
I tried to enlighten you as to the inaccuracy of your statement on that thread. Here’s my response:
Here’s a quick history lesson for ya! too.
Sooners were mostly deputy marshals, land surveyors, railroad employees, and others who were able to legally enter the territory early to mark out choice pieces of land for themselves or others.
-ccmachine
"Even the fleetest of the horsemen found upon reaching their chosen localities that men in wagons and men on foot were there before them. As it was clearly impossible for a man on foot to outrun a horseman, the inference is plain that Oklahoma had been entered hours before the appointed time. Notwithstanding the assertions of the soldiers that every boomer had been driven out of Oklahoma, the fact remains that the woods along the streams within Oklahoma were literally full of people Sunday night. Nine-tenths of these people made settlement upon the land illegally. The other tenth would have done so had there been any desirable land left to settle upon. This action on the part of the first claim-holders will cause a great deal of land litigation in the future, as it is not to be expected that the man who ran his horse at its utmost speed for ten miles only to find a settler with an ox team in quiet possession of his chosen farm will tamely submit to this plain infringement of the law."
—William Willard Howard
—Harper’s Weekly 33 (May 18, 1889): 391-94. [see source below]
"Federal marshals, railroad personnel, and other persons lawfully in the territory before the opening ("legal sooners") were prohibited from filing land claims—a provision that was more violated than observed."
-From Oklahoma Landrush of 1889
That’s from Cornell, from the Ivy League. And since it’s from 1889, and Mr. Howard was there, his article is called a ‘primary source’.
I think I’ve got to agree with hodad:
Nice revisionist history. If you say it it must be true!
I don’t think Sooner Sports, your source, is probably the best source to use for unbiased history. And it’s certainly not a primary source.
by ajax77777 on Jul 15, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also I forgot to ask:
However, a quick peek at a textbook shows another story. -CCMachine
Is soonersports.com a textbook now? What class is that for? History 101?
Or is it found in some textbook that soonersports.com plagiarized?
by ajax77777 on Jul 15, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s Great, Ajax
But where does it call those who entered the territory early Sooners? You tried to "enlighten me" with something that doesn’t refute what I said. Don’t do an internet search on the Oklahoma Land Run and then come back here like you know something. The issue wasn’t whether people entered the land early but rather what those people were called. The excerpt that you posted refers to them as "Boomers" which was in fact the name given to those who entered the territory illegally.
The term Sooner didn’t even come around until about six months after the 1889 Land Run.
The term derived from a section in the Indian Appropriation Act of March 2, 1889, which became known as the “sooner clause.” It stated that no person should be permitted to enter upon and occupy the land before the time designated in the president’s opening proclamation and that anyone who violated the provision would be denied a right to the land.
So-called “legal sooners” had permission to enter before the designated time but nonetheless had the same unfair advantage. Legal sooners included employees of the government (deputy marshals, revenue agents, mail carriers, land officials) or railroad company (trackmen, section hands) or those with special permits (Indian agents, teamsters, traders).
Since you require a reference you can check it out for yourself in Berlin B. Chapman’s The Legal Sooners of 1889 in Oklahoma.
A couple of other terms you might want to familiarize yourself with;
Boomer – Used in reference to those who entered the territory before the Land Rush.
Moonshiners – Used in reference to those who snuck in during the night before the Land Rush. They used the light of the moon to guide them.
89ers – Term referred to those who participated in the Land Rush
by ccmachine on Jul 15, 2009 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Interesting Note
Is that of the ones who did cross over into the Indian Land early the majority of them came from Texas!
by ccmachine on Jul 16, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Legal Sooners" ?
I assume that this is a way of saying that some of the Sooners were legal, . But saying that all Sooners were legal is just wrong.
Unless you (and others) are trying to change the use of the word Sooner. Which along with Boomer has had a variety of definitions over the years, depending on you who you asked. As someone who is only 3 generations removed from those that make the 1893 land run in the Cherokee Outlet, I’ve know the term Sooner to mean those that went in early to the claim site. Boomers were the ones that lined up for the run, but jumped the gun a count our two. Now I know that those aren’t always the way the terms have been used by everybody over the years.
I’m Sooner born, and Sooner bred…..but Sooner is still for the most part a land cheat. Sorry. (but hey if ain’t cheatin you ain’t tryin’ right?)
Start Seth Smith! Free Eric Young Jr.!
by Redhawk on Jul 16, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it did mention "legal sooners".
But where does it call those who entered the territory early Sooners? You tried to “enlighten me” with something that doesn’t refute what I said. -CCMachine
From my comment above:
“Federal marshals, railroad personnel, and other persons lawfully in the territory before the opening (”legal sooners“) were prohibited from filing land claims—a provision that was more violated than observed.”
-From Oklahoma Landrush of 1889
They were legally in the territory, but illegally staking out claims.
Soonersports.com claims Sooners were
able to legally enter the territory early to mark out choice pieces of land for themselves or others.
Which is at best poorly written and at worst false.
They were able to legally enter the territory, but not to mark out land for themselves or others.
Thank you for your reference. <-pdf link. I didn’t think it supported legal sooners having a legal claim to land. I think its conclusion is a rather accurate summary of what I’ve read on the subject. Essentially, legal sooners broke the spirit of the law (the “sooner clause”) if not the letter. The General Land Office was initially lenient with them, but the complaints of those Oklahomans who did obey the law led the Secretary of the Interior and Supreme Court to explicitly state the illegality of land claims by legal sooners who didn’t go back to the border like other 89ers.
by ajax77777 on Jul 16, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
didnt know there were so many people that didnt know the difference
Sooner – A person who entered the territory illegally and claimed land before the appointed time.
Boomer – the political activists who lobbyed for these lands to be opened up
these terms do not jsut apply to the Oklahoma land run but to all lands that were opened up in a similar fashion in the late 19th and early 20th century
by SoonerBoomer on Jul 16, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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