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The "Era of Chalk": Has March Lost Its Madness?

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Excuse me while I try to conjure up some excitement at all the unusual seeding matchups for the Sweet 16. Oh wait, that's right there aren't any, except for maybe 1-seed Louisville versus 12-seed Arizona.

How bad is it?

For the 5th straight year, all of the top seeds have advanced to the Sweet 16. For the first time ever, all of the 1, 2, and 3 seeds advanced to the Sweet 16. In fact, two of the 4 seeds did as well, and I wouldn't really consider a narrow win by a 5 seed Purdue over 4 seed Washington an "upset". Basically there is only one Cinderella team in the Sweet 16 this year - Arizona - otherwise chalk has prevailed. This has got Basketball Prospectus to question whether or not we are in a new "era of chalk". In fact, this was the least crazy Sweet 16 ever.

It's one of those years that the person who knows nothing about basketball picked entirely by seed and is now in great position to win their bracket pool. For those of you who put a lot of thought into your brackets, this is probably pretty disconcerting.

As bad as it is, it's likely to get even saner: upsets are far less likely as the tournament progresses. Here is a graphic compiled by CBS:

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More than anything, I think this could potentially be an indictment of the "parity in college basketball argument". While the season is relatively competitive, the top 15 to 20 teams are far more solid than anyone else and it seems like things are stacked towards the top.

I'm hoping we don't have a repeat of last year, with all four 1-seeds advancing to the Final Four. This isn't only because OU is a two seed, but because it might make me go insane. March losing its madness may just be enough to make me go mad.

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This merely proves

…that what so many have been saying for so long is true. The tournament is just too big. I know lots of die-hards get off on arguing over how one team got in while another didn’t, especially in the absurdity of having 65 teams in the tournament. But now, “it’s too boring.” Where are the Cinderella stories? Where are the big upsets? Perhaps it’s time for the college basketball establishment to realize how ridiculous the tournament (and in fact, all of D-I basketball) really is.

We’re all football fans here…how many of us believe that 120 teams (yes, that’s right…Western Kentucky has completed its transition and is now a full FBS member) is too many in FBS? How much time do we spend talking about/thinking about how many of those teams are merely cannon fodder and how maybe it’s time for a “super division” of only the “major” schools? We scream for a football playoff but hesitate to put in even 8 teams (less than 7% of the entire number of FBS teams), lest it ruin the integrity of the regular season.

But we accept and even LOVE having 65 teams out of 347 total (from 32 total conferences!!!) in the D-1 basketball tournament? Yes, that’s right…close to 20% of the ENTIRE D-1 field goes to the year-end “championship” tournament!! I know this will never happen, seeing how “quickly” things move in the football world, but perhaps it’s time for the NCAA and the member schools to think seriously about D-1 basketball and the tournament, and make it real again.

by ousooner919 on Mar 24, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Comparing college basketball to football...

…is like comparing apples to oranges. Having a large playoff (greater than 8 teams) would be difficult because you can only play one football game per week. I think a football playoff is no good unless you have enough teams to represent all the conferences including the WAC, Sun Belt, etc. (Notre Dame should be excluded until the join a conference, but that’s a topic for another time)

I think the basketball tournament is the perfect size. It represents all the D-I conferences and give them all a shot. I think the issue about the “Chalk” only says that the selection committee has done a real good job of seeding the brackets the past couple years.

My biggest gripe about the tournament so far isn’t the lack of upsets…it’s the lack of exciting, close games. The early games on Saturday were brutal to watch. There are only three games that stand out to me off the top of my head….Gonzaga/W. Kentucky, Fla. St./Wisconsin, and Siena/Ohio St.

by Sooner71 on Mar 24, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't agree...

I don’t think it’s an apples-to-oranges comparison at all. I guess it’s a POV issue. My POV is that the goal of the tournament is to get the best teams in and determine a champion, with as little side nonsense as possible. No team seeded lower than 8 has EVER won the tournament. The additional representation is pointless to me, if it only serves to add in games that are ultimately meaningless. I listened just yesterday to the guys here on the Sports Animal talking about how there are some teams that got absolutely nothing out of their first- and second-round games other than a W in each one. I also heard them agree that having difficult games or cupcake games in the first two rounds don’t really matter, as champions have come with regularity from both roads. So why the heck do we have so many? Again, this is my POV.

Obviously, your POV is “the more basketball we get, the better.” More games theoretically gives a greater chance of quality games (“exciting, close games”). I can understand that but I can’t agree with it. By that logic, we should all be salivating over the NIT games, too. In fact, there’s a good chance the NIT has had more quality games this year than the big tournament. And how much coverage is that tournament getting, exactly?

I’d still vote for shrinking the main tournament so that the serious contenders can do their thing. I think such a scenario gives a great chance for quality games because then the good teams play each other earlier, rather than wasting time with (for example) 1-vs-16 or 2-vs-15 which occasionally provides an upset but usually just ends in blowout by #1 or #2. Then let everyone else go play in the NIT, and teams that really aren’t worthy of either just go home. Besides, if the seeding committee is doing so well, and we’re going to keep getting the 1-4 seeds in the Sweet 16…remind me what we’re doing here again?

by ousooner919 on Mar 24, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about....

George Mason making the final four as an 11 seed three years ago….or Kansas beating OU for the national title as a 6 seed…or Villanova upsetting Georgetown as an 8 seed. I know that a 16 seed has never beaten a 1 seed and the 15 seeds have only beaten 2 seeds four or five times, but I think that it’s important to have all the conferences represented even though their chances of winning the tournament may be slim.

Perhaps the tournament should award the automatic bids to the regular season conference champs instead of the tournament champs. That would remove truly undeserving teams like Georgia last year from getting into the tournament. I also don’t think that any team with a losing record should ever be allowed to be in the tournament, regardless of whether they win their conference tournament.

In the end, this tournament will never be reduced for one reason….money. CBS pays a lot of money for broadcasting rights and they, in essence, own the tournament.

I appreciate your argument…I just like it the way it is. Like you said, more basketball is good, but I still don’t really care about the NIT.

by Sooner71 on Mar 25, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think it is too big at all,

Relatively having twenty percent advance to the playoffs puts you ahead of every professional sport in terms of exclusivity of the post season and only behing college football as the second most exclusive. 65 sounds like a lot but not when you are dealing with 350 teams, 65 is about perfect.

Now I would hate to see it expanded and I would rater have it reduced than expanded. THe one thing I would like to see is conferences, especially the lower ones sending their team with the best overall conference record over the one that won the tournament. That would lead to some better cinderella prospects getting in the touney

by SoonersNews.com on Mar 24, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

with your talk about the conference winners going in. That’s another bone I have to pick with how the conferences handle basketball. The Big 12 has their regular-season winner and their tournament winner. WTF??? Who thought that was a good idea? Like I said above, we ARE trying to find the best teams and figure out who the best really is, right?

by ousooner919 on Mar 24, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For a hardcore basketball guy like me

I like that the best team have risen to the top and we have a shot at some tremendous games this weekend.

Boomer Sooner!

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by Jubanator14 on Mar 25, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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