The "SEC Speed Myth" Backtrack Thread
Well let me just say that I hadn't planned to talk about this whole SEC Speed myth anymore, but since cocknfire over at "Team Speed Kills" here on the sbnation network issued a pretty solid rebuttal, I figured I would have to give it a reply. Let me knock off a couple of points right off the bat:
- I'm not being sarcastic, cocknfire pretty much went line through line through my original argument and made a well reasoned argument.
- I find it oddly hilarious that the SEC blog is named "Team Speed Kills", but there you go.
Anyways, down to the point. In my personal opinion, I still stand by what I originally stated - that the SEC doesn't have any extra speed except maybe at the linebacker or defensive end positions, and that the SEC isn't necessarily exceptionally dominant. Again, that's just my opinion. I think the elite teams in every conference have just as much speed as the SEC at just about every position.
I suppose I tied myself up when I spent a long time using 40-yard dash times to prove that the SEC wasn't necessarily fast, but then went ahead and proved that 40-yard dash times are irrelevant.
I wish I had the time to do a complete statistical analysis of all the running drills (40-yard dash, 20-yard shuttle, 60-yard shuttle, cone drill, etc.) of all the teams in all the conferences. That, however, would be very time consuming, and ultimately probably very unsatisfying.
I guess that it is difficult to come up with a good metric for exactly how fast a player is in pads and during a game situation. Most of the time people just rely on scouts for this sort of information, and that is all subjective anyways. You'll hear draft analysts say: "His 40 wasn't great, but he plays fast".
So in summary, my vision was to attempt to apply some statistics to a widely held opinion, but in my eagerness to prove something, I guess I was blinded by the fact that it would be really difficult to come up with a comprehensive way to prove what I wanted to. In my personal opinion (again), I think that if I could spend the time and do statistical analysis for years worth of data of every NCAA player, I would get the conclusion that I wanted.
Also, in retrospect, I posted this on a blog network where, quite possibly, not many people hold the opinion that the SEC is much speedier. I've heard the myth from many people all over the country (recently, too), but perhaps I am preaching to the converted (or maybe preaching to those who will never be converted?).
I should probably have expected a backlash when I give a bit of a slap to an entire conference. Let me say this: I think the SEC is one of the best conferences in the country. I don't think it has to do with speed. I think it is because there are many powerhouses in the SEC who recruit great talent and have great coaching. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Les Miles and Steve Spurrier (OK, he hasn't had the same success as he used to, but still a great coach).
What I Learned:
- I won't probably ever be able to prove what I wanted to prove, but I gave it a shot. I always try to provide statistics/facts to back up my opinions, but in this case I probably offered too small of a cross section.
- I stand by my opinion, but it's just that - my opinion.
- Think things through more thoroughly before spending lots of time writing an article that implodes.
Oh well, maybe I'll eventually have the computer power or brain power to run that giant statistical analysis. Until then, people can believe what they want to believe.
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since I couldn’t find a message button.. You are one hell of a writer. I have began to wonder if you ever sleep because of the number of posts you have covering both CFB and CBB. Your posts are not just little short quips but good quality and really in-depth. Great work you put out and I am darn sure glad you are a Sooner Fan. We need some great writing intelligent posters(I’m not one of them :-) ) this upcoming CFB season to spar with the Whorns.
by scarab on Mar 13, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@scarab
Thanks a lot! In general, I still think that I did an okay job of proving some sort of holes in the SEC speed theory, but I know when to take the foot off the gas too. Since it would be really difficult to prove that the SEC IS speedier just as it would be difficult to disprove, it would basically devolve into a matter of opinion.
So, let’s just put that one to bed!
Meanwhile, I’m pretty excited about blogging for the CFB season. I know I’ve posted a lot about CBB, but I enjoy CFB way more.
by dishingoutdimes on Mar 13, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Implodes" might be a bit strong
Like I said, I think you deserve a lot of credit for at least trying to bring some facts to the debate. I think it’s incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to find an accurate way to guage playing speed. I would also agree that simply crediting the SEC’s quality to speed is to overlook a lot of other factors that are just as important.
And the name of the blog plays as much off the media/conventional wisdom about ESS EEE SEE SPEED!!!!! as any opinion on the issue of speed itself. Like I said, I don’t know whether the SEC is faster than any other conference. I think it’s impossible to ever empirically prove it one way or the other — it’s a matter of opinion for everybody.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
by cocknfire on Mar 13, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
@cocknfire
Like I said, I don’t know whether the SEC is faster than any other conference. I think it’s impossible to ever empirically prove it one way or the other — it’s a matter of opinion for everybody.
Yep, and that’s what I just wrote in my reply to scarab.
Since we’re talking about matters of opinion, I think what makes the SEC a good CFB conference is the coaching and the intensity. Seems like SEC games have a certain intensity that you don’t see show up in other conferences unless it’s a rivalry or they’re playing for something. But again, that’s just my opinion.
by dishingoutdimes on Mar 13, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speed, continued
The SEC has not been top-to-bottom dominant, say, ever. It has been a conference capable of producing national title contenders almost every season. What has changed recently is that teams that were routinely bad in the 1990s—Kentucky, Vanderbilt, South Carolina—are now in bowl contention. To rise up, they all had to upgrade their team speed, so they wouldn’t face so many games in which they were too overmatched to compete.
Where the Big 12 and SEC faced off in bowls last season, both games were decided by the Dlines. The Gators stuffed the Sooners twice on the goal line, and Ole Miss’s defensive front was strong while Tech’s was lousy, thus the difference in that score.
The most interesting bowl outcomes to me were Iowa-South Carolina and Utah-Alabama.
Iowa pounded the Gamecocks with a big back and called a nicely balanced game on offense, while Spurrier mismanaged his QBs again as he is wont to do. Hawkeyes won the Dline matchup.
Utah couldn’t run the ball at all on the Tide, but their sophisticated passing game was more than an equalizer. Utah’s pass rush looked overpowering with the Tide down two starting Olinemen.
No, the SEC label doesn’t guarantee the best football team, but the conference is a pretty good laboratory for cooking up national title contenders. This year ought to be especially interesting, with a lot of returning talent and 10 SEC teams supposedly in the top 20 recruiting classes.
by Biggus Piggus on Mar 25, 2009 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs









