If Texas is a joke, how do you explain the the last 5 years ?
by 1Sniper on Dec 11, 2009 2:17 PM CST
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PrintTHE LAST 5 YEARS 2005-2009 Oklahoma vs Texas
OU Vs Ranked Teams------------5-18
Texas vs Ranked Teams --------17-3
Season Totals---- Win/Loss
OU---------------------------------------49-17
Texas------------------------------------58-7
OU vs Texas ---------------------------1-4
Bowl Record--------------------OU----1-3
Texas---4-0
Stoops Overall Bowl Record---------4-6
Brown's Bowl Record------------------8-3
Sure looks like the mighty Sooners have REALLY developed a problem beating good teams. Thank God Stoops to Notre Dame was just a joke....We want him at OU forever !!!!
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It must be the Sooner fans are hopefully trying to see if El Paso is a suburb of Norman....
Hopefully nobody will tell the team any of the 3 following items….
-Stanford is a ranked team
-They are playing in a Bowl Game
- They are not playing in Norman
Otherwise it could be another long afternoon for the sooners
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 11, 2009 5:31 PM CST reply actions
Yet Texas is...
The most underachieving program around….. Last 5 years, 3 Big 12 Titles.
Sorry, should have said.........
OU in the last 5 years, 3 Big 12 Titles.
The point was...
That all those Texas wins got them 2 Big 12 titles. As stated above the most underachieving program around.
The facts in the post would say Ou is the underachieving program, but don't let the facts stop you
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 11, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions
How does OU have 18 losses to ranked teamss
While only having 17 total losses?
by SoonerDutch on Dec 11, 2009 11:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sorry about that...it is 5 wins and 17 losses vs ranked teams.....soonersports doesn't list the rankings
so I had to go to multiple sites to get rankings……hopefully this doesn’t make you feel any better about your team that during the past 5 years seems to have developed a problem facing adversity. Texas was similiar during Big Games first 5 years….but we changed.
Some more faulty Texas logic
How do you figure Texas has 3 Big XII in the last five years when they only have 3 in the Big XII’s existence? Everyone know that when OU has a mediocre season Texas shines…UT has had 2 Big XII’s this decade because OU had a rebuilding year and a injured year…Texass will ALWAYS be second fiddle in the South…enjoy the rarity that is a Texas Big XII champhionship
Faulty logic is getting beat by Texas last year, then leaving your starters in to run up scores....
on teams you are beating by 4 touchdowns, to impress the idiot press and kink the BCS system so you can slide into the big game even though you lost the head to head with Texas.
If you would have done the right thing last year (not run up scores)and played your second team, you probably wouldn’t have lost to BYU and Miami this year. Karma is a bitch.
It wasn’t an accident you lost to Florida by 10 and to Texas by 10……you rightfully should not have been in the big game.
And you should have???
With your defeat at Texas Tech. A team we destroyed. Point is we followed the rules. Something Texas doesn’t like to do unless it goes in their favor. Can someone say add another second to the game clock please so we can get our second Big 12 title in the last 5 years. If OU isn’t rebuilding, then Texas can’t win the Big 12.
you think the referees adding :01 was Texas breaking the rules? orly?
by Displaced Longhorn on Dec 14, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
STFU Tool
Nice to see you are criminally dumb. Back into your clown car and out the door. We don’t do fucking stupid here.
There was a firefight!!!!
I'm actually OK with where the program is
Granted this season has been disappointing but injuries had a lot to do with that which there really is nothing you can do to prepare for a rash of injuries like the Sooners have.
You obviously feel that you have to come on this site and validate your team’s existence but the truth is we really don’t care. You’re telling a team that’s played in 7 Big 12 Championships over the last 10 years how much you’ve accomplished. That’s kind of like walking up to Bill Gates and telling him how much money is in your wallet. Do you think he cares?
If Texas is so great then why are you only accomplishing something that Oklahoma does regularly once every four years?
They do have some points
While I do think it is laughable for Texas fans to come over here and talk trash about their success and how our season has been a disaster. They do have some points over us though. While we have more Big 12 titles than they do. They have been more consistent under Brown than we have under Stoops. Brown has not had any disastrous campaigns like this year and in ‘05. Their low point is 10-3 with an Alamo Bowl victory while our is 7-5 with a Sun Bowl berth. While I believe we have the better program and have had the more successful program over the years if they beat ’Bama in Pasadena we won’t really have a trumping point except the 6 Big 12 titles.
This will be an interesting debate as to who has the more successful program over this decade. Provided that Texas wins in Pasadena will 2 MNC, 2 Big 12 titles, and 4 BCS bowl wins trump 1 MNC, 6 Big 12 titles and two BCS bowl wins? I don’t know if there is a clear cut winner. Some might hold more weight to the national titles and better record in BCS games while others will hold more weight to the sheer dominance of OU in the Big 12.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Dec 12, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
If Texas wins there is no debate.
They have had the better decade. If UT loses, OU is unquestionably the program of the decade.
by SoonerDutch on Dec 12, 2009 7:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Are you serious?
It’s the national championship. At least to me they’re pretty important.
If Texas wins, they have two national championships, which is why you play the game.
If Texas loses I don’t see how anyone can argue Texas has had the better decade when OU has the same number of mncs, played for three others, won four more Big 12 Championships, 2 Heismans, not to mention the head to head…
But of course 2005 was so awesome it probably cancels every other year of this decade. I mean nothing else can compare to it. UT was so great, I’ve never seen as great a team as the 2005 Texas football team. Never seen a defense hit with such ferocity, a quarterback sweat with such greatness, a coach plan such a masterpiece. I mean honestly the NCAA should just get rid of football before and after 2005 and just give Texas every national championship. They should retroactively award VY every Heisman. Just thinking about the awesome/greatness that was the 2005 team is a workout.
by SoonerDutch on Dec 21, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Good, we agree on something.
The swine flu takes a Will Muschamp shot every September.
by pleaseplaykindle on Dec 22, 2009 2:23 AM CST up reply actions
well
My first thought would be that the fact you felt the need to log on to this OU site and create an entire new post to respond from an OU fan criticizing UT (shocking!) is pathetic enough that not much else needs to be said.
My you have become so sensitive.....
I know its shocking and pathetic to have a non sooner come on your site and respond to a “Texas is a joke” post. I also see that ccmachine is “OK with where the program is”. You have got to be kidding me !!! How can anybody be OK with an 80% lose rate against ranked teams and a bowl record thats been comical to watch for years ?
I know, I know….you can attack me and sling all the mud you want, and I hope that makes you feel better…..but don’t you think its time you guys start realizing the programs got a serious problem?
Enjoy El Paso.
Like I said
When Texas starts doing it more often than once every four years we can talk. Until then you are out of your league. You’re trying to defend your team’s inability to accomplish what Oklahoma has by using stats that are meaningless. Championships are the stats that count.
Yes, I’m fine with the program where it is because this is only the third time in seven years Oklahoma hasn’t been in the conference championship game. Maybe you should be asking why Texas hasn’t won more championships with their “dominance” over the last five years?
I admit that Oklahoma football has a serious
Problem, when you admit that your math has a serious problem. If OU has a serious problem, considering Texas has finished below OU 3 out of 5 years, then Texas must have a very serious problem.
by SoonerDutch on Dec 12, 2009 7:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
OK, I admit I added 1 too many losses....is this serious? If you say so.....
I love how you guys ignore the main point of the post……OU has taken a 180 from Stoops first 5 years to the last 5 years. 5-17 versus ranked teams ?? Com’on admit it….are you not sick of getting whipped in every friggin’ Bowl game ?
Forget Texas….focus on OU…..do you really think everything is OK……injuries and rebuilding do not explain your loss record vs ranked teams the last 5 years.
Oh sorry I didn't notice you admitted your mistake.
In my estimation rebuilding and injuries account for 2005 and 2009. The only loss to a ranked team that concerns me is West Virginia in 2007. OU played for the championship last season and lost to a very talented Florida team. OU, the last five years, has played in three BCS games.
My broader point is that your opinion means little to me. If OU goes out and goes 7-5 next year, then you might have a point about the demise of OU football.
by SoonerDutch on Dec 12, 2009 9:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You just don't get it! Well, you don't want to
Upper tier bowl games vs. lower tier. Automatic BCS bowl births for conference champions vs at large bids. BCS championship games vs at large BCS games. It’s apples to oranges. Texas seldom does what OU does on a consistent basis but you want want to spew stupidity that the OU program is in trouble.
Again, if Texas is so much better then why can they not consistently do what Oklahoma does on a regular basis? Of course you don’t want to discuss that issue. You just want to hang on to a bunch of facts that make you feel better about the Texas program not being up to the level of competition that OU does. That’s something that losers do!
This whole matter can be resolved by just comparing trophy cases. Why don’t you take a gander at them and let us know who has what in which one. You can go back 5 years, 10 years or all-time. Doesn’t really matter to me. Of course you don’t want to address that either.
You sir, are a flamer and flaming is not tolerated on this site!
You guys are hopeless.......OU is great, you are great against ranked teams, you are great in bowl games
What was I thinking trying to get an intelligent discussion going with Okies….it is not possible.
All the homer debate aside
both schools are traditional power houses. The issue is not about who is better but about how both remain strong to shore up the weakness in the Big XII. Both institutions benefit greatly from the competitive rivalry. Football needs us both to field strong programs and teams, year in and year out. Let’s just work this out on the field. We don’t have to like each other (and believe me we don’t like you), but let’s do this without ripping the performances of the programs. They are both equally accomplished.
"We don't freestyle Texas Fight, big boy." - Coach Brown
Logic wont work here....
The post, I believe, was simply pointing out that OU the last 5 years has lost the ability to win the big games vs ranked teams, especially compared to Stoops first 5 years, and compared to Texas. Not who is the most accomplished program.
If you look at the responses, all they want to do is attack Texas.
They refuse to look at their record vs ranked teams and how it has gone from winning 80% to losing 80% of these games.
So unless you want to respond to why losing to Southern Cal in the NC by 40 is better than beating Michigan in the Rose Bowl,
over and over, I would just move on……they refuse to discuss the 80% lose rate vs ranked teams.
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 13, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
I would rather play for the national championship than win a meaningless bowl game
If every year Texas fans are willing to go to a non-Championship BCS game and win a nail biter over a mediocre Big 10 team, while OU gets at least a chance at the National Championship, I’d be winning to make the hotel arrangements.
Besides the post is a comparison between Oklahoma and Texas, so what do you expect the discussion to be about. If you want to talk about OU’s futility against ranked teams, make a post about OU’s inability to win big games.
But since you desperately crave a “civil discussion;” OU has a problem winning the close games, ranked and unranked. To find the problem, instead of looking for some vague generality like “Stoops is a bad coach, he really sucks,” like you’re trying to say, I think one has to look at the specific situations that cost OU the game. For example the execution and playcalling in critical goal line possessions in the second quarter against Florida. If we go up 21-7 in the game at half, I’m pretty sure we’re the defending national champions, regardless of any potential Tebow heroics.
I told myself I wasn't going to try this again.......
So lets get some things straight….I don’t like you and I have yet to find a Sooner fan I can stand talking football with. I don’t like Stoops, but he is a good coach. Finally, as soon as this turns into a name calling episode, I’m gone. I have an okie colleague here in Meatchicken who is a friend until it gets to talking Texas/OU….and then he turns into the “We’ve won more Big 12 Titles” mantra machine. I havn’t watched all your games, and the only thing my friend will criticize is the play calling.
That being said, you may be right about going up 21-7 against Florida. Regardless, can you offer insight to the question of the flip in beating ranked teams from Stoops first 5 years. I’ve always thought it was Mike Stoops going to AZ.
I also would go easy on that Texas Heathen crap, as you may insult 75% of your team.
Well when you say this:
“Sure looks like the mighty Sooners have REALLY developed a problem beating good teams. Thank God Stoops to Notre Dame was just a joke….We want him at OU forever !!!!”
It sounds like you don’t think Stoops is a good coach.
But regardless, I think it’s play calling and execution in critical situations, which I hoped my example with Florida proves. I can only remember one time OU’s defense has stepped up and closed out a game in the past five years; Oregon in the Holiday Bowl. Is some of that due to Stoop’s departure? On the defensive side I’m sure that has a lot to do with it. They’ve completely fallen apart against WV, and USC, just to name a few. They literally had dozens of chances to make a stop against Boise and failed to do so.
But lately in just as many critical situations, the offense has failed to step up at critical moments; When they got down against Texas last year, Florida as I already mentioned. Stoop’s departure has little to do with those losses.
The talent is there (Recruiting Classes) The talent development seems to be there (Bradford winning the Heisman) for the most part, although OU has failed miserable with this year’s offensive line and wide receivers (with exception of Broyles). I don’t think the offensive scheme is awful, due to what they did last year on offense. Is the defensive scheme the problem? Maybe but again I think it has to do more with specific situations.
So my conclusion, even it is general, would be the execution and playcalling in critical parts of the game. OU simply doesn’t do that as well as they did earlier in the decade. They get away with it against bad teams, but when they go up against teams with equal talent, disaster ensues.
The heathens I’m talking about are UT fans. Just so there is no misunderstanding it was a reply to this:
We don’t have to like each other (and believe me we don’t like you), but let’s do this without ripping the performances of the programs. They are both equally accomplished.
This also isn’t the best way to try and start a reasonable discussion,
I don’t like you and I have yet to find a Sooner fan I can stand talking football with.
But I hope that answers your question somewhat
I'm not sure if was on here or BON.....
But somebody was talking about how Texas used to collapse against strong teams in Macks first 5 years (God we did it enough against you guys early on)and equated it with being soft ( my interpretation of that was a lot of 5 Star recruits, who really didn’t have a burning desire to play for Texas…..as an example, Chris Simms, Mr. HS 5 Star All Everything, versus Colt McCoy (3 Star) who dreamed about playing for Texas his whole life.
This may be part of the equation, but the hiring of DC Chizek and Muschamp are probably the biggest factors in putting a never quit attitude back.
Whats the history of Stoops coordinators….I know Venables has been around a longtime, and I’m guessing he was an assistant.. I know nothing about your OC.
Sorry about the second statement you highlighted (which was mine), but I’m feeling a little like Dances With Wolves riding into the indian Camp…..I know I’m about to get killed, I just dont know where the arrows are going to be coming from.
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 13, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
There was an article claiming a similar point and suggesting that
Oklahoma and Texas have switched places, where Oklahoma may get the more talented but soft recruits, while Texas gets the “tougher” players.
I don’t really see that because nothing has suggested to me that OU’s team leaders (last year were McCoy, Reynolds, and Bradford) are mentally weak compared to their Texas counterparts. OU and Texas seem to get similar recruiting classes, at least rankings wise.
However OU’s stars are much more injury prone over the last several years, whether it be Peterson, Kelly, Murray, Reynolds all missing a number of games. That doesn’t even mention the blood bath that has been 2009. Compare that to the 2000 championship team that didn’t have a starter miss a game due to injury.
As much as I find Muschamp’s lack of emotional control comical and over the top, he gets results.
Venables has been at OU as the Co-Defensive Coordinator since Stoops arrived here in 99. He’s been paired with Mike Stoops, Bo Pelini, and recently Bobby Jack Wright. Before his stint at OU he was at Kansas State, his alma mater, in various capacities.
Kevin Wilson, the OC, has been at OU since 2002, and became the sole offensive coordinator with Chuck Long’s departure for San Diego State at the end of the 05 season. Before that was at Northwestern as the offensive coordinator. As you probably noticed when OU lost to Texas, their offense was unable to get anything going against the Texas defense. Granted the Texas defense is very good, but OU’s offense, especially away from home, has been atrocious. I’m willing to grant him some slack, because of the attrition and injuries as well as because of the offensive behemoth he had last season.
I tend to agree with you on the talent level between the two teams......
And for whatever reason, we have really escaped injuries overall, and yes, you guys seem to have a major problem with injuries. I tend to believe injuries are mostly bad luck, but maybe the strength and conditioning program is part of your injury problem…I’m not saying it is, but maybe. If you look at Colt as an example…he was a skinny kid as a freshman who has really filled out and gotten much stronger.
As to Muschamp, yes he is wild, but as you point out, the results are there. We only had two defensive breakdowns this year….the first half of the Colorado game where they were leading going into halftime and the A&M game where they executed almost a mistake free offensive performance for the full game. Regardless, both Muschamp and Chizek before him have built in the never quit attitude very well.
Where we have problems is on the offensive side….
when we run into a real defense, we have a hard time adjusting. I’m sure you enjoyed watching Nebraska push us around for 59 minutes…our halftime adjustments were non existent, and without the out of bounds kick and horse collar, its lights out… My point is our OC, who has been with Mack since birth, in the opinion of a lot of fans, needs to be replaced.
Wouldnt you think with Suh crashing through the middle and hanging all over Colt, you might have thought about some misdirection running plays and rolling out the pocket ???? Duh.
It appears to me that OU has some similiar issues here as well, and the timing seems to be around when we started having the upper hand with OU. I’m not sure this explains everything about the problem you stated about close games, but maybe it does.
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 14, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
A&M left points off the board
Actually, A&M could have played better. They played far from a perfect game. They had two turnovers while Texas had one turnover on a muffed punt. A&M had a turnover in the red zone, missed a field goal and settled for a field goal in the red zone. You guys never want to give the other team credit. A&M played really well, but you know they could have played better.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Dec 14, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'll stand by statement.....
A&M coming into the game at 6-5 against the #3 team in the country, with Muschamp’s defense….“A&M executed almost a mistake free offensive performance for the full game”…….If thats not credit, I dont know what is. Jerod Johnson was 80% passing and added another 100 rushing….your right, they could have played better.
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 14, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
The past few seasons I wondered about the conditioning because our offseason conditioning, with coach Jerry Schmidt,
is apparently insane.
I don’t know much about Davis, other than when he lets the qb, who is competent, run the zone read Texas seems to do well.
From OU fans Wilson has faced a lot of criticism, if you look over this blog you’ll probably see a bunch of it. The most visible sign of fan discontent was during the OU/K-State game, facing a 1 and 45, and calling a handoff left, only for a chorus of boos to rain down onto the stadium. Honestly, with what he’s accomplished in the past and the injury situation, I don’t think it’s time for a change on that side of the ball. But to some extent he has been unable to change his scheme to adopt to the situation. At times OU’s offensive line, besides being generally awful, has been keen to false starts. I think some of this has to do with the nature of Wilson’s no-huddle scheme, calling the play at the line of scrimmage.
But honestly when you lose your starting offensive line to attrition and incompetence(Trent Williams), the recieving corp to attrition(Iglaseis, Chaney, and Johnson), incompetence (Adron Tennell) and injury (Gresham, Brandon Caleb), and a Heisman winning quarterback, I don’t know what one should expect…
Every loss and even close games have produced a ton of rage ......
focused on Greg Davis….it has been pretty intense at times, but being 25-1 the last two years has pretty much quieted things down. I hope Muschamp will keep us in the game next month, and then we will again see if Davis can figure out a scheme that will work against Bama. Honestly I think Nebraska and OU’s defenses are better than Alabama’s….and Bama is really strong as evidenced by their shutdown of Florida. If you could get your penalties under control, your O is going to be dramatically better….those first and 15 and first and 20 killed you all year.
Its either going to be a Bama blow out or really close, both depending on the breaks in the first half. I dont see us putting up a lot points.
The money in Vegas said Bama by 3.5 last week……I don’t know where it is now.
Can't get enough of that cowbell !!!
by MeatchickenHorn on Dec 14, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
What's equal about???
OU National Championships = 7 > Texas National Championships + 4
OU Big 12 = 6 > Texas Big 12 = 34
OU total conference championships = 42 > Texas total conference championships = 28
Yes, the program are equal my a$$… That is what we’re talking about. Knocking OU to make yourself and your program look better.
That's a lot of Big 12 championships!
Hope Mack Brown doesn’t see that or he’ll have asterisks all over the football facility.
ccmachine, thanks for reminding me.
That should have read
OU Big 12 = 6 > Texas Big 12 = 3 + 1*
We wouldn’t want to short UT that * Championship they got last year.
That should have said....
OU Big 12 = 6 > Texas Big 12 = 3
Ok fine!
Then Bob is a great big choke artist who couldnt pull a bowl victory out of his ass. This Texas team is pretty gosh dang good!
I'll Be Interested To See
How Texas fans handle it if they lose. I’m sure they’ll say it was a great season and there’s no shame in losing the BCS championship game. Of course their previous stance has been that losing the BCS championship game is an embarrassment and a sure sign that the program is in decline.
good point CC
Although I’m sure they’ll just say “well at least we’ve only lost one” while continually failing to acknowledge that simply playing in the game is a major accomplishment. You know as well as I do that there are no such things as hypocrites in Texas.
Losing the BCS Championship game is no shame......
But losing 80 % of your bowls and 80 % of your games against ranked teams SURE IS !
YOU SOONIES ARE DUMBER THAN A BAG A HAMMERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the way
Would you rather lose to ranked or unranked teams?
Just curious as to why no one mentions that 57% of the Texas losses have been against unranked teams? I don’t know, that kinda sounds like underachieving to me. Yep turns out that anyone can spin numbers and percentages, huh?
yet another
thing for them to be in total denial about CC. It must be complete bliss to be so oblivious to reality.
57% ???? Out of 7 losses in the last 5 years ???????
Please see previous quote….
“YOU SOONIES ARE DUMBER THAN A BAG A HAMMERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
OKLAHOMA, 5 Million people……..500 Last names
And How Many Big 12 Championships BCS/Championship Births
Did those four losses to unranked teams cost Texas?
Actually no, however being asked if Texas would rather lose to unranked teams vs ranked teams
is just retarded. Let me see, would I rather lose to 4 unranked teams over 5 years or 17 ranked teams over the same time frame ??? Can I get back to you on that one ?
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