Absolutely Pathetic
This is getting really old, really fast. Listening to "overrated" chants from mediocre, mid-major student sections. Watching our teams come completely unraveled in big games, under adversity, or on the road. "Choke-lahoma"? I'm sorry, but at this point I would have to absolutely agree with that nickname.
It's unbelievable that we have to endure this year, after year, after year. And today was the perfect firestorm:
Football
This was absolutely an awful performance all around. It was the worst regular season loss points-wise since October 8, 2005 when an unranked OU team fell to #2 Texas 45-12. It was possibly the most embarrassing loss since the Orange Bowl fiasco against USC (55-19) at the close of the 2004 season. And it was the worst regular season loss to an unranked team since a 34-3 drubbing by Texas in the 1998 Red River Rivalry. It was probably, without a doubt, one of the worst losses of Bob Stoops' tenure - if not the worst.
What concerned me the most was a complete lack of effort. It looked like guys just didn't care at all. And this has been a problem all year. We have won a total of 1 game away from Norman. ONE! That's it! That's absolutely abysmal. That speaks to a huge coaching failure. If you can't get your guys fired up enough to look at least somewhat competent on the road, you should be questioning your methods. The last time OU only won 1 game away from Norman was in 1997. Before that, it was in 1965 (you could argue 1992, but it's cloudy because of ties away from home). Obviously this is a pretty rare feat in the rich history of Sooner football.
Congratulations guys! You will go down as one of the worst teams in the history of Sooner football. But it wasn't for trying, because it certainly didn't look like you were doing any of that today. Even if you win out, which is somewhat uncertain given a good Oklahoma State team coming into town in a week (followed by maybe a bowl game), this would be the 14th worst winning percentage of any Sooner team since 1946. One more loss, one more slip-up, and it will probably be the 9th worst season since 1946, and the 22nd worst season of all time (since 1896). Don't you have any pride?!?
More embarrassment after the jump.
Women's Basketball
I won't spend too much time on this one, because they actually won (74-70), but it was at home against an unranked TCU team. To be fair, TCU was ranked #35 in the latest Sagarin women's basketball ratings, so they aren't exactly pushovers. However, the team consistently made bad passes, turned the ball over, and left opponents the opportunities for wide open jump shots. Head coach Sherri Coale:
"Sometimes what you have to do is whatever you have to do to win. It was a very ugly afternoon of basketball on our behalf and we are very fortunate to walk away with a win. But we are going to play a whole lot better if we want to beat any of our opponents next week."
They lost the Paris twins, but this team made a Final Four last year. To see them struggle to put away an unranked team on their home floor was hard to watch.
Men's Basketball
Unfortunately, the women's basketball game wasn't even the toughest OU basketball game to watch today. That honor fell to the men who laid an absolute egg. They wound up losing the game 82-69, which was followed by a storming of the court by the VCU student section. And why wouldn't they? You could argue it was the biggest game ever played on their home court - it was the first time a ranked team came to play them in their house.
And the entire game they played with the most intensity. They were up and down the court. For most of the game they were up between 10 and 20 points. They made Willie Warren look silly by swatting a layup attempt about 40 feet down court. And for most of the game the Sooners looked inept and confused. Perhaps they were scared?
I know we are a young team, but we are a talented team, and goodness gracious that was an embarrassment to watch. They got schooled. That's something that shouldn't happen to a ranked team with 3 McDonald's All Americans and a top-20 ranking, but it did happen.
Luckily, rankings in basketball, and really the record, doesn't matter. All that matters is that you have enough wins to get into the tournament. However, it's clear that we won't be the dominant team we were last year. And it's clear that a lot of guys on our team have a lot of growing up to do if they don't want to get blown out of the gym by teams like Kansas, Texas, or Gonzaga.
Pride
Guess what? OU has some tradition. We're used to winning some ball games. And not just in football either. And as a result, we're pretty proud of that tradition. Why do you think the Sooner drum major takes the football field each game strutting across the field with his chest pointed up and his head held high?
It's all about pride.
Play with some pride Sooners! Play like you want to win the games! Play with some intensity for once!
Football team, look alive out there! Hit someone. Run fast. Play harder. Tackle harder. Get motivated! I don't know how you can't be motivated after getting your (blank) handed to you on a silver platter by the Red Raiders...again...in Lubbock...again. Every game in Norman, you run out onto the field after an intro video that hypes up our tradition. And you guys say in the video, you actually say, that you'll "try harder" or "reach higher". Where? Where is that happening? I don't see that happening. A team that does that doesn't lose by 28. Play with some pride! Play with some heart like all of those legends that wore the crimson and cream before you!
And for the basketball teams, I think that inexperience will give way to more cohesive play. Things will come together. And one loss isn't the end-all-be-all for a college basketball team. But again, play with some pride and some conviction! Show some heart! It doesn't show a lot of heart to be lazy on defense, and let guys cruise right by you to the hoop, or spot up for a wide open jumper. There are technical errors, which can be corrected by coaches, and through practice. But at some point you have to find it within yourself to put forth the extra effort to run at guys on defense, close down the holes faster, or fight for that extra rebound.
How many more times are all of our teams going to let us be the "giant to be slain"? How many more times are we going to have to look completely clueless against teams that are obviously hungrier than we are?
I'm proud to be a Sooner fan. I am. But today was awful. Enough said.
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Great post!
Agree 100% with everything you said.
by ccmachine on Nov 21, 2009 9:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
It really is horrible
The across-the-board lack of effort. It makes it really tough to watch.
And then Stoops and Wilson get up there at the presser and basically say “well we just didn’t execute” blah blah blah blah.
Admit it, the guys weren’t fired up and they got their butts kicked. Plain and simple. At this point they don’t need to be coddled because that clearly doesn’t work. You’re on your fifth loss already.
Jeez! Argh!
by dishingoutdimes on Nov 21, 2009 9:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thank God I didnt make the 2 hr drive to Lubbock! As it was, I stopped watching sometime between going down by 11 & half time. From that point it was get crap done before this week & listening. But, if the half ass effortts being made by Tennell, Franks, to name a couple are resulting in a loss anyway, put in some younger players. OU was freaking getting their collective butts kicked. Play some one else, atleast get then the reps & sit some of those players. Again, Lubbock is like another time zone, seriously, but they were in a fog for sure. And not to be a broken record, but how many freaking Oline players can get hurt? Really!!
Atleast no one freakin spiked a ball with 1 second left. to lose by 2. The way Wilson has coached it wouldnt surprise me!
by OU JJ on Nov 21, 2009 10:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
coach speak
isn’t going to cut it after a performance like that. naturally i expect nothing else from our coaches but that doesn’t make it any easier to accept. you know i listen to the radio and morons like jim traber and others call OU fans idiots for being upset and criticizing the team and coaches and i wonder how we’re idiots? after watching a game where the players and/or coaches clearly either quit or just didn’t care, i wonder how we’re the idiots. personally, i think these coaches and players could learn a thing or two from us idiot fans who seem to care too much. dimes summed it up perfectly, it’s past time to show a little pride. we fans seem to always have it, i don’t think it’s at all unreasonable for us to expect our coaches and players to do exactly the same. then again, what do i know i’m just an idiot fan.
by jtesooner on Nov 21, 2009 10:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I truly agree with the comment about Traber
he trashes the fans too much. He says we aren’t predictable. F Mr. Traber. I know for a fact that in a close game when Brown is in that Wilson is going to cal 3 run plays in a row. Every single time. Two of those runs are tow the left side. Stick it Traber, I do know what is going to be called in certain situations and so does the opposing team. I also know that a Wilson/Stoops coached team is not a second half team. No big lead at halftime for the Gooners, the opposing team has a great chance to beat them.
The Sooners need some kind of fix at the recruiting level, the training level, and at the coaching level. Whatever they are doing now isn’t working. Change something or ask the decider’s to leave town.
by scarab on Nov 22, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ummmm
Rec’d
I’m not sure I would have been as nice.
by Redhawk on Nov 21, 2009 11:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So I’m guessing if Stoops took the Notre Dame job, you wouldn’t mind?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 21, 2009 11:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know it won’t happen. I just find it hilarious that the media keeps talking about Stoops taking the Notre Dame job.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Nov 22, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
my initial response would be an emphatic yes I would mind. I’d like to think I"m not a psycho fan, but at the same time how many games do we have to endure where they appear to be completely unprepared and/or unmotivated before we start to hold them responsible. Even more to the point, why does even the slightest amount of criticism mean I am advocating getting rid of Stoops or encouraging him to leave? This was the point I was attempting to make w/ the reference to talking heads like Traber. What are we as fans supposed to do? Watch a pathetic performance like today and then just shrug our shoulders and watch highlight videos from last year or 2000? Does a “good” fan simply accept the effort, or lack thereof, displayed today?
by jtesooner on Nov 21, 2009 11:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Even more to the point, why does even the slightest amount of criticism mean I am advocating getting rid of Stoops or encouraging him to leave? This was the point I was attempting to make w/ the reference to talking heads like Traber. What are we as fans supposed to do? Watch a pathetic performance like today and then just shrug our shoulders and watch highlight videos from last year or 2000? Does a "good" fan simply accept the effort, or lack thereof, displayed today?
I’ve often wondered the same thing. What is a real Sooner fan? And why are they not allowed to level any criticism at all?
by dishingoutdimes on Nov 22, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No but keeping things in perspective is something I wish "real" Sooner fans would do
Sitting here weeping because college age kids “gave up” or “quit” and you have to deal with the repercussions from family and friends seems pretty pathetic to me. All three team that are being criticized in this article did extremely well last year. We made a national championship in football, a final four in women’s basketball and an elite eight in men’s.
On another note, Venables is fair game. His collective body of work, the OU defense 2002-2009, has been a significant disappointment.
by SoonerDutch on Nov 22, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
personally
I don’t think anyone has forgotten last year or diminishing the success of it. However, last year has nothing to do w/ this year, so all the accolades Stoops and the staff during/after last year were well deserved. The problem is how they’ve dealt w/ adversity they faced this year, has nothing to do w/ last year.
by jtesooner on Nov 22, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are willing to judge people solely based on yearly performance then I would agree that Stoops and Co.
should be in some trouble. However I am not willing to judge these coaches based solely on year in which the team has been completely decimated by injuries, tough scheduling and attrition.
Regardless, unlike Traber, I don’t think that criticizing the team’s performance makes you a bad fan.
by SoonerDutch on Nov 22, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my judgment
is not based solely on just this year. my judgment is based on the uninspired performances over the past several years. no one can argue as to where Stoops has taken this program and that is certainly not what I’m attempting to do. I’m simply saying that it’s time to re-evaluate things on several different levels. that doesn’t necessarily mean firing anyone, assuming they are wiling to adjust. When things aren’t working, which they clearly have not been this year, they need to show the willingness to adjust and try something different. My personal feeling is that right now they are insistent on continuing to do the same thing with the hope that eventually it will work because it has worked in the past (last year being the prime example). I don’t see how anyone can argue that even the most successful coach needs to adapt to how things can change over the course of time. I would argue that the best coaches have found a way to stay just a slight step ahead of others and were they not constantly evaluating what they were doing would very soon be caught up to by everyone else. Well based on the results of this season, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to state that we’ve been caught up to and it’s time to adjust.
by jtesooner on Nov 22, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First in the past several years
what constitutes an uninspired performance?
Since everyone apparently thinks that the departure of Stoop’s brother was the beginning of the end, I’m willing to start after 2003/4, which disqualifies 2003 K-State. I count 2005 USC, 2008 WVU, 2009 Tech. While they’re all upsetting, the one that really, really bothers me is 2005 USC, considering the importance of that game.
by SoonerDutch on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
you pretty much hit most of them. I’d only add the 2007 Colorado game and at least the 1st half of the Boise St. game.
by jtesooner on Nov 23, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't count 07 Colorado because that was first true road game of the season with a freshman qb
and we held the lead the entire game. I’ll give you the first half but wouldn’t the second half of that game demonstrate that OU made some adjustments that worked?
by SoonerDutch on Nov 23, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i suppose
you have a point, but should they have even been in that position where a muffed punt would cost them the game to begin with? I’m not asking for them to be up by 50 or anything, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect them to have a comfortable lead going into the 4th quarter against a below average CU team. Granted it was Sam’s first road game, but he was coming off four incredibly impressive games to open the season. Colorado was horrible that year and road game or not, in a game where you are that much more talented than your opponent you shouldn’t find yourself in a position like they were that day.
by jtesooner on Nov 23, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Second I'd counter and say that they are trying some new stuff
whether it’s this wildcat nonsense or this added emphasis on bubble screens. Shouldn’t we expect a significant decrease in offensive production after losing the entire offense except for Broyles.
by SoonerDutch on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd agree
to some extent. My issue w/ the wildcat is that I believe every single time they’ve tried it, except for one play, over the past two games Murray had kept the ball and ran basically right up the middle. I have no real issue w/ the bubble screen b/c it appears to work almost every single time. Two things that stick out to me if we’re addressing the offense. Why does Wilson absolutely love to call run plays to the short side of the field? Another “new” play is the pitch option play they’ve run several times recently. However, while I fully realize Landry is no threat to actually keep the ball, how does it serve Murray to run this play to the short side of the field and pin him in against the sideline? Second, they’ve clearly made every effort all year to get Broyles involved in the passing game. Why has the same effort not been made to get Dejuan Miller involved. I’d argue that once given the chance to be on the field, he has been by far the most consistent WR outside of Broyles. I feel like he’s been underutilized all year. Oh, and why was Gresham apparently the only TE on our roster capable of doing anything?
by jtesooner on Nov 23, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller has the second most catches of any wideout on the team.
In my opinion, their whole offense should be trying to get the ball in as creative ways possible to Murray and Broyles, our proven play making threats, and they (meaning Wilson) has at least tried that. At least to me Miller seems like a more down field threat due to his size and built. With the milliseconds that Jones gets before 15 d-linemen are on top of him, they don’t have the luxury.
But yeah I’d agree with pitch option play. I thought they ran it some with Bradford last year and I don’t understand the concept if the qb is no serious threat to take off and run.
by SoonerDutch on Nov 23, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you got me?
I would think a true “fan” whether Sooner or not would be allowed to voice their opinion without being called a fair weather/bandwagon fan. I’ve never understood how criticizing the program equals you not being a real “fan.” Who in their right mind can say that the players and coaches don’t deserve to be criticized after their performance today? So either explain to me why the don’t deserve it or explain to me how if they do deserve it and we as fans give it to them how we’re being bad fans. To me blind support doesn’t mean you’re a good fan, just like being pissed after your team lays a big fat egg doesn’t make you a bad fan.
by jtesooner on Nov 22, 2009 12:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think this trabor inspired a good fan doesn't complain thought
is just stupid. In fact, I think a “real fan” does complain. Cause they (the fans doing the complaining) are still caring about the team after the team has taken a loss.
The fair weather fans, are the ones,after an ugly loss, that don’t go to the games, they don’t call in or post, or go to the watch parties, don’t send in that donation check to the university or whatever. They just turn away, and do what ever they have going on in their lives.
If you are there after a loss, and you are complaining, than that is a fan. I’m a Sooner. If you are still there complaining…you are still there, caring about your Sooners. Right now, the football program doesn’t seem to be pointing in the right direction. This team has gotten worse as the season has gone along (and injuries is only a small part of that equation), which should be a cause for concern. and fans should voice that concern.
by Redhawk on Nov 22, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Character. . .
. . .this team has none. That’s coaching. It starts on the “O” side of the ball. If Stoops can’t reignite the fires, then let’s find somebody who can.
by HiDesertSooner on Nov 22, 2009 9:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah because Stoops has never won a national championship, got us to three other national championships, coached over the greatest offense in college football history, Heisman winners, or
6 Big 12 Titles, or 7 ten win seasons. I know a coach who has got a lot of character; this guy at Florida Atlantic, maybe Howard Something…
by SoonerDutch on Nov 22, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, I was going to respond with bringing back Schnelly, too…
GBR!!!
by Screwface on Nov 22, 2009 10:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
On the field leadership was lacking yesterday...
Which players hold the others accountable? I got the impression Travis Lewis and Jonathan Nelson tried given their interaction with the officials, but where’s Ryan Reynolds? McCoy? Bear in mind if you’re a player, one of your teammates left the field with a broken leg. That had to be absolutely deflating, but the players gave up.
Complain all you want, but it’s next to impossible to qualify for NC games year after year, which Stoops has done four out of eleven years.
Stoops teams have evolved and changed with the game, and in some cases have changed the game (look at the teams running the no-huddle this year, like Texas).
As OU fans we expect more. And Stoops wouldn’t expect less, I’m sure.
But don’t forget Switzer lost 4 games in 1981, 1982, and 1983. OU held a pre-season rank of #2 in 1981 when they lost a close game in LA to then #1 USC 28-24. OU lost 4 and tied 1 that year after a win in the Sun Bowl. Mediocrity (from a Sooner fan perspective) followed for several more years.
Bash whoever all you want, but get some perspective.
by inocybe on Nov 22, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree the players gave up,
don’t know why but I think they did.
I have perspective in this deal. I would never call for the HC’s removal but I think there is something very wrong at HC/DC and below level. I don’t know and don’t pretend to know whats wrong but I have seen several things on both side of the ball that did not seem right.
Having no one that can step in to replace an injured player. However Lepak did a god job stepping in yesterday.
No fire, soul or heart to the team. This is put there by the OC/DC and below level.
Absolutely cannot preform on the road. Coaching at some level isn’t getting it done.
But then again maybe we are al missing something else, maybe just maybe it is the players themselves. Look at what is happening at KU. A very good coach being called out he pushed a finger in a guy’s chest. Are the CFB players these days that big of wussies? That may be the problem.
by scarab on Nov 22, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Three issues
I agree with this post and with several things that have brought up in the comments. Here’s what I will say:
1. We’re all real fans here. Why? We’re regulars. We come here and we talk about this team we love. They’re us…they’re our heart, soul, and blood. Most of you are probably like me; you grew up dreaming of suiting up in the Crimson and Cream, in just one sport (not just football, although that’s definitely the top of the pyramid). You will go to your grave praying that in Heaven, just once, you get to go out on that field and maybe catch a TD pass or make the game-saving tackle in the last 15 seconds of the game. Don’t let guys like Traber get to you; he’s half-insane all the time, anyway. Eschbach and Tramel and Rohde and Blevins merely tolerate Traber…think about that next time you’re listening to those guys on the Sports Animal, and you’ll hear it.
2. Leadership was brought up earlier, and that points to something that has been an issue for the Sooners over the past few years: character. Injuries have robbed this team of leadership in many areas, but if you’re recruiting talented guys with character, someone will step up. Character guys are probably harder to find than they used to be, but character guys seize the day,. They don’t get soft and complacent. They step up when times are tough. They carry their teammates on their backs when they have to. The 2006 Sooners had character and fought through what we thought then (erroneously, after seeing this season) was the most adversity we’d probably ever see. The 2006 Sooners would be 9-2 right now, not 6-5. It comes down to character, and it’s obvious that we’ve lost our character guys this season.
3. The fire is gone from our coaching staff. Remember the Mike Stoops/Brent Venables sideline shots from the 2000 and 2001 seasons? They had FIRE on the sidelines. They made those guys PLAY HARD. Then Stoops left, and we’ve all acknowledged that OU’s defense just hasn’t been the same since. It’s had good seasons and good games (this years UT game and last year’s Tech game spring immediately to mind), but there’s just something missing. It sounds like Mark Mangino had some fire too…if he behaved at OU like he’s behaving at Kansas (for good or ill). Since Mangino left, we’ve had Chuck Long and Kevin Wilson. We’ve also had two of the greatest QBs ever to play for OU under those two gentlemen, yet we also have ZERO BCS bowl victories (as well as no NCs in THREE attempts) with those two gentlemen calling the offensive plays. The coaches have to get that fire back.
We’ll get back to where we want to be. It’s just going to be painful getting there.
by ousooner919 on Nov 22, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all these
and especially #3.
I would even add #3 (b) addendum. To go along with that loss of fire, there has been a drop off on recruiting talent, and retaining that talent over the last few years (though this year is looking pretty good so far). Personally I think those High School kids can pick up on that, if a coach is fired up and excited, or if he’s just satisfied, to be employed.
Here’s my big question, and maybe the big question that’s out there. Is Bob Stoops the man that an turn the program back around? This season doesn’t feel like a blip to me. I don’t see the talent on the team right now, and I don’t see it getting better for next year. An off year or 2 I can take in modern college football…..but not more than that. I would say no, and it’s because of #3.
anyone feel free to jump in and answer.
by Redhawk on Nov 23, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why doesn't this feel like a blip to you?
Considering in the Stoops era we’ve never been this bad? Wouldn’t that appear to be an aberration?
Second, you don’t see talent on this team?!!?!?!?!?!?!?! I’ll grant you the line, TE, and Tennell have underperformed but Jones has shown signs of being a pretty good qb, Miller was highly touted, and Broyles this year is a top 10 wr. Was Murray not talented last year? Trent Williams, for all his buffoonery, was a first round draft pick. Of course none of this lists the players hurt or on defense that are on this team. At least to me, there appears to be some talent on the team.
Also considering Stoops turned the program around from a much worse position that it is in now, I’d give him another chance
by SoonerDutch on Nov 23, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it would be a blip if I thought next year the team would be able to rebound and contend for the Big XII South title.
Talent. I’m looking at next year. Do I see hot young talent that will be back next year? There is some nice talent at the WR spots. RB? Not so sure. O-Line..nope. Jones, has shown some signs of being good. Also shown signs of being pretty bad. I actually hope he’s mediocre. To me he’s the return of Justin Fuentes. Ok…could be worse, really needs to be better to be championship type QB. On Defense, a lot of the talent will be gone next year.
And it’d different than coming in new, and excited an building a program, and another thing to turn a program around after being around for 10 years.
by Redhawk on Nov 23, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's tough
to actually know what we have coming back talent wise next year because our coaches very rarely if ever play backups in any significant situations. It usually requires an injury or a 50+ point lead (and not even then in some cases) before they’ll actually play a reserve. So like most years, we’ll go into next year w/ kids who haven’t been given the chance to prove if they’re capable of holding their own when it counts. Then we’ll be forced to rely on the few quotes that our coaches give during spring/fall practice and how exactly did that work out this year? Kevin Wilson and his big mouth are largely to blame for any unrealistic expectations regarding what this offense (specifically the O-line) was capable of.
by jtesooner on Nov 23, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Murray, Calhoun, Miller already here, Clay coming in
I’d say there fine at running back. Blake Bell and Drew Allen are apparently talented and will push Jones if he falters. Defense loses McCoy, Jackson, English and probably Beal. (I guess we could lose Lewis and Franks if they want to get out of here) Alexander is pretty good, and King/Washington are highly touted. Secondary is mostly intact as well as linebacking consisting of Lewis(more than likely) who is Butkus candidate.
Offensive line is the glaring problem, hopefully this year had some effect of Good and Habern and they will at least be serviceable next season.
You’re right it is different than in 98; recruit actually want to come to Oklahoma now…
by SoonerDutch on Nov 23, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the wussie issue
Wussie didn’t come to mind, but another word that rhymes with it preceded by one that sounds like Sucking. Scarab’s on to something.
>>But then again maybe we are al missing something else, maybe just maybe it is the players themselves. Look at what is happening at KU. A very good coach being called out he pushed a finger in a guy’s chest. Are the CFB players these days that big of wussies? That may be the problem.<<
If I was Stoops, I know what I’d be calling these guys now.
by inocybe on Nov 22, 2009 9:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+(the number of sooner fans)
What I would call them would make a sailor cringe. Believe me I would do it. After all if I was in Bob’s place I would have sacked a couple mil in the bank and could care less what the wussies or Admin thought. Football is a man’s game, grow a pair or hit the showers NOW!
by scarab on Nov 22, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
John Blake
would give them all a hug.
by Redhawk on Nov 23, 2009 2:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remeber the days of Big John Blake the player
went to the games those years as well. John was not a fire in the belly player. Reminds me of players these days.
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