SBN Big 12 Roundtable – Make The Pain Stop!
by ccmachine on Nov 12, 2009 1:59 PM CST
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I'm back! Pardon my absence from the blogosphere but until running the Crimson And Cream Machine pays the bills I have to work the real job which requires traveling to Central/South America from time to time. I'd like to say thanks to dishingoutdimes for carrying the torch for me while I was gone. Great job!
Now, on to this week's roundtable discussion and you know the drill. Add your thoughts in the conversation by using the comments section below. Thanks to I Am The 12th Man for hosting this week!
1. We are three-fourths of the way through the season now, with either 2 or 3 games remaining for your respective teams. What players have surprised you, what players have disappointed you this year?
Offensively, I've actually been surprised with Ryan Broyles. We saw what he was capable of doing last season but didn't know how he would handle being the go-to guy. Its safe to state that he's been the lone bright spot on Oklahoma's this season. Especially when you consider how bad the other receivers have been.
As far as disappointments go for me let's just sum it up by naming every other offensive player other than Broyles.
Defensively Jeremy Beal has been amazing to watch. With all the talent and pro-stock on this unit he has been the shinning star on what has been the best defense in the conference. That doesn't mean that there haven't been disappointments though. I'm pointing my finger at Dominique Franks who has been very solid but has also made his share of, "What the heck was he thinking!" plays.
2. Name a player on another Big 12 team who you think has underachieved or been a disappointment this season (I don't consider someone getting knocked out by injury a disappointment, so no references to Robert Griffin, please).
This one is easy for me! My pick goes to Sergio Kindle of the Texas Longhorns. I actually received emails in the preseason about how Kindle was going to be unstoppable and all Sooners should beware. Of course I wasn't scared because my football playing days are well behind me and therefore I had a better chance of Kindle hitting me with his car than I did of him hitting me on the football field. As it turns out, I'm not the only one as Big 12 offensive players have seemed to elude Kindle's wrath like competent driving skills have eluded Kindle himself.
He's not among the Top 10 sack leaders in the conference and he isn't found among the To 50 leading tacklers in the conference (and there are actually 65 players on that list). I even bought into the hype and placed him our preseason Twelve Players To Watch In The Big 12 list. Turns out that his shining moment of the season so far has been a illegal hit on Texas Tech's Taylor Potts.
3. What player on another Big 12 team has surprised you or surpassed your expectations this season?
Kansas State's Daniel Thomas is the only running back in the Big 12 to crack 1,000 yards so far and he's also the only back to average over 100 rushing yards per game. Who would have thought?
4. Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh is the most dominant defensive tackle I have seen in years. Who do you think is the last dominant defensive tackle you can compare him to at the college level? Is there one to compare him to for the last 10 years?
Tommie Harris comes to mind but I just don't know. Suh is such a dominant player who makes things happen in just about every defensive phase of the game. You need a quarterback pressure/sack? He's your man. A run stopper? He's on it! How about an interception returned for a touchdown? Got it! A blocked field goal? Yep!
5. Right now, who is your pick for Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, Newcomer of the Year, and Offensive and Defensive Freshman of the Year?
Offensive Player of the Year: Jerrod Johnson, QB Texas A&M
Defensive Player of the Year: Ndamukong Suh, DT Nebraska
Newcomer of the Year: Daniel Thomas, RB Kansas State
Offensive Freshman of the Year: Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
Defensive Freshman of the Year: Cody Davis, DB Texas Tech
6. Power rank the teams, 1-12.
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma State
3. Texas Tech
4. Kansas State
5. Nebraska
6. Oklahoma
7. Texas A&M
8. Kansas
9. Colorado
10. Iowa State
11. Baylor
12. Missouri
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Kindle
That, sir, is a terrible answer.
You ain't hurt.
by Peter Bean on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So You Guys Expected Him
To only have three sacks and 47 tackles at this point of the season?
by ccmachine on Nov 12, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps the whorns feel he is not a diaspointment thus far as he has successfully evaded suspensions as well as arrests? He has not been dominant on the field seriously not even in the top 50 in tackles???!!.
by OU JJ on Nov 12, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We expect a fan to evaluate a player on more than one stat (sacks)
But even setting aside the sacks, you do realize how insane it is that you just cited 47 tackles as a negative, don’t you?
Second on the entire team, with 47 tackles. A defensive freaking end.
Brian Orakpo has 42 tackles all of last year.
You write many good things on this blog. But again: Kindle was a terrible, terrible answer to that question.
You ain't hurt.
by Peter Bean on Nov 12, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is the fact of how many players in the Big 12 have more tackles & sacks dude.
by OU JJ on Nov 12, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beal has 48 tackles
English has 23 tackles. Get some perspective, dude.
It’d be one thing if Kindle had 3 sacks because he’s not pressuring the quarterback, but he has 25 QB Hurries on the year. Beal has just 3.
Kindle has been nothing short of outstanding this year. If you think citing 3 sacks and 47 tackles is enough to say otherwise, you’re free to continue being wrong.
This would be like me saying “Beal sucks because he has just 48 tackles and 3 QB hurries.” The fact is that Beal is a terror. So is Kindle. Maybe you’re not able to admit that.
You ain't hurt.
by Peter Bean on Nov 12, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The best part of DVR's PB is you can...
go back and just watch one player for the game…and see exactly what they do, how they do it, how often they were doubled, etc. And doing that with Kindle brings on some level of a mancrush…he is a terror on the end.
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
"Somebody will always break your records. It is how you live that counts." - Earl Campbell
by Mulliganville on Nov 12, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beal also has 9.5 sacks to go with those tackles
So he has more tackles and sacks than Kindle and no one ever tabbed him as the best defensive end/linebacker player in the Big 12 before the season started. So, yeah, that is impressive.
by ccmachine on Nov 12, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No need to get worked up on someone who just takes stats at their base value
I mean, he also wrote this so…
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 13, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, That Was My Bad
It’s clearly Jerrod Johnson
by ccmachine on Nov 13, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It takes a special kind of prescience to be that wrong.
The swine flu takes a Will Muschamp shot every September.
by pleaseplaykindle on Nov 13, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
You can’t take texas statisticians seriously, especially when it comes to the stat of Quarterback Hurries (QH)
Witness the 2008 A&M-texas game.
A&M QBs threw a total of 35 passes in the game, completing 20.
If you look at the boxscore on AggieAthletics.com for the game, it credits texas defenders with 13 QHs, meaning on 13 of those 15 incompletions, the QB was under some type of pressure.
If you look at the boxscore at texassports.com, texas’ athletic department website, texas’ defense is credited with 19 QHs. So, our QB was under pressure, but still completed passes? How do you figure that?
Answer: texas’ statisticians hadn out QHs like they are candy. You can’t take them seriously, b/c texas statisticians inflate their numbers every chance they get.
by Beergut on Nov 14, 2009 5:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... uh
Kindle was a horrible answer. I don’t expect you to break down tape of Texas, but if you did, you would know that you should try that one again.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 12, 2009 6:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The One Point Being Overlooked With Kindle
Is down opportunities. Check your stats on number of plays and then work the percentage. Kindle has come out early in more games due to the number of 3 and outs or turnovers. Add to that the class of Mack Brown not running up scores and giving back-ups the reps needed to mature. A problem ou has so well noted even within the camp of Stoopidville. The ou defense has had more plays and opps overall and as Will Muschamp puts it “stats are for losers”. Here’s to you 5-4!
I love to see the Kindle hit on Taylor Potts being posted as illegal.
by orangetower on Nov 13, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
and for the record
I’ve watched texas a lot this year, and I focus on Kindle when I watch their defense. Saying he is a disappointment is putting it nicely. His technique is poor, and he struggles against left tackles, which is why all of his sacks have come against right tackles.
I think he is too small to be effective at DE, and I think texas is lying about his weight. I’d like to see him stand next to Cody Johnson, b/c I think Kindle is lighter than Johnson.
by Beergut on Nov 14, 2009 6:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have watched Kindle as well
and most of you are forgetting to mention a key part of Kindle’s game. The dude plays with heart and attitude(the right kind). I mean the guy puts out the effort that all coaches and fans like.
You know, the are stat’s, statistic’s and lies. Basically any group of stats can be presented to prove any point the presenter wants. What I see in Kindle is a very good football player that could play defense for any school in the country. I leave it at that.
by scarab on Nov 14, 2009 7:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
sorry, but that argument is idiotic
He plays with heart is the argument you make for the fourth teamer who is a walk-on. Heart and attitude? Really?
When did we start discussing Pop Warner football?
by Beergut on Nov 14, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw
Kindle had a big 2 tackles against Baylor
We’re obviously not seeing the influence he is having on games
by Beergut on Nov 14, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But you can't judge him only on those two tackles
He did so much more for the team that go unnoticed. He packed the equipment, drove the bus and showed Mack Brown how to use his ipod, all of which are sure to put him on the all conference first team. Besides that, those were the two greatest tackles in the history of college football.
by ccmachine on Nov 14, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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