Hey Texas - Look In The Mirror!
I tried! I really tried hard to feel sorry for the Texas Longhorns because of the process in which they were left out of the Big 12 Championship. While I won’t ever apologize for
As much as I wanted to gloat I didn’t because I knew that if the shoe was on the other foot the last thing that I would want to see is a bunch of knuckleheaded Longhorn fans posting over here. Instead, I took the news with a great deal of exuberance and anticipation for what was sure to be
I could have easily gone over to Burnt Orange Nation and posted something like, “Look at us now!” but I didn’t. The only thing that I posted over there was a letter of apology for how everything went down. Again, not that OU wasn’t deserving but that it was a heartbreaking way to see it all end. How were we rewarded? The whiney boneheaded
The 45-35 argument was a faulty argument at best that ultimately didn’t hold water and when things didn’t work out we were told how stupid the world was for not buying into it. Truth is the Longhorns haven’t always felt that way. Of course we already know that because I can’t find a Longhorn to admit that Texas Tech is better than
Then there is the issue of running up the score. According to the Longhorns Bob Stoops is a complete (insert whichever explicative here) for allowing his troops to become the most prolific scoring offense in the history of college football. They would never do anything like that, right? Let’s flashback to the 2005 conference title game – anyone remember the 67 point beat down the Longhorns put on
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Amen!
This is our night all the way to Jan. 8th. This is our party so now I will go celebrate. For the whiney Longhorn you know what I’m about to do? I’m reserving my plane ticket to Miami that is how I’m going to stay classy. I won’t respond to another Longhorn post the rest of the year. I look foward to seeing a plane fly over Miami telling everyone how you got hosed.
BOOMER SOONER!!!
Miami bound brother!
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 7, 2008 9:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks cc
You run a class blog here. They always seem to leave off how many NC both schools have just like the TT game never happened.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 7, 2008 9:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
About Time
thanks, thanks. I little discussion is good, but they didn’t respect who’s home they were visiting.
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
by Redhawk on Dec 7, 2008 10:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Many excellent points
These last few weeks have been football heaven and hell. This blog for me has been a way to connect with other Sooner fans. Living in D/FW, its hard to connect with all my buddies back in OK.
I have friends here that are fans of both the Sooners and the Longhorns (I even have Nebraska fans, go figure-Kansas and K-State too). My Longhorn friends have always shared a good rivalry, especially with my son on EA NCAA Football. Each guy gives it to the other about his team.
When talking to some of these Longhorn fans we discussed how somebody was going to get screwed this year. They agreed it would probably be the Horns. But one thing most said is that if those 2 teams played 10 times this year Oklahoma would win 7. These were their comments, not mine. I didn’t agree or disagree, I just took that as a compliment. The point is they actually understood the 3-way tie and that Oklahoma was an awesome team.
During this time I have been a reader at BON, Double-T and Rock M Nation. There is some good writers at BON and the others(the guys at Rock M have some funny bits). I will continue to read the other teams blogs just to see their point of view. However, I don’t plan on posting anywhere else because It will only seem like I have an axe to grind. Regardless of any logical discussion, someone will turn it into a vendetta.
I truly appreciate the taxing job it must be to keep the animals at bay.
Thank you, CC.
And to everybody else,
BOOMER SOONER!
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
-Bruce Lee
by Sooner Vince on Dec 7, 2008 11:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
To OUers
You had a very tough schedule this year, perhaps the toughest in CF. I must say that 6/7 regular season wins vs. Top 40 teams is a tremendous feat, and do not discredit that whatsoever.
I may not agree with an outright OU Big XII title this year, or the statement that OU is the “most prolific scoring offense in the history of college football” is something to be proud of by way of which it was achieved.
I urge you to make most of the opportunity that you have been presented with this year, without supporting you. If you don’t, it will be very difficult to live as a tie-braker Big XII champion runner-up, having beaten the Big XII ‘champion’ in the Cotton Bowl. Remember!!!!
I will be at the RRR next October and won’t be holding anything back, as I hope OU won’t either. Till then.
Excitedly nervous in 08.
by Ultra Horn on Dec 8, 2008 1:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
CCmachine, do some homework
In 2005, Texas, due to Colorado simply folding and playing awful, had 70 points with over ten minutes left in the THIRD QUARTER. After that, we didn’t score. Not a point. Nothing.
OU scored 21 points in the fourth quarter. Their runners: Starter Chris Brown and starting-in-place of Murray Madu.
In 2005, Mack Brown easily could have “allowed” his offense to be the most prolific in school history. We obliterated the majority of our opponents and sat out our starters. Against Colorado in the regular season, for instance, we got up 35-10 at halftime and then settled for a 42-17 victory. Against Kansas, we went up an astounding 52-0 at halftime and settled for 66-14. Against Texas Tech, went up something like 38-10 at halftime and settled for 52-17.
Winning 41-14 in the beginning of the fourth on third and seven, Stoops elected to pass with Bradford for a first down. Mack would have ran and kicked the field goal, or he might have even ran a simple dive play on fourth down and allowed Missouri to get an easy stop (believe me, I’ve seen him do this before).
Still in the fourth, Bradford was still in, presumably to boost his Heisman stats. He remained in the game for the entire quarter. Brown and Madu kept rushing instead of a little used backup.
I know every Sooner fan wants to legitimize everything right now, but while I agree that some Texas fans accuse Stoops for running it up a bit too much (Stoops definitely laid up on a few teams this year), it seems you agree that he does indeed “run it up.” What’s curious is that you actually support it and its potential impact on the game. Mack would never have scored 21 points in the fourth quarter if he was up by that much. Frankly, CC, you need to do better than woodenly pointing to a 70-3 beatdown against CU without showing how we got there. If you think Stoops SHOULD be doing what he’s doing, then that’s another argument for another time. Just don’t pretend Mack does the same thing, because he simply doesn’t.
Also, don’t pretend there aren’t a fair share of classless OU fans going to BON or even posting here. It’s not like OU fans make perfect arguments, such as horrible arguments that Dallas isn’t a neutral field. Furthermore, I’ve already dealt with this:
The 45-35 argument was a faulty argument at best that ultimately didn’t hold water and when things didn’t work out we were told how stupid the world was for not buying into it. Truth is the Longhorns haven’t always felt that way. Of course we already know that because I can’t find a Longhorn to admit that Texas Tech is better than Texas in 2008 for Red Raiders head-to-head win. Beyond that where was the head-to-head argument in 2006? Just after getting beat by Texas A&M in Austin Mack Brown voted the Aggies behind the Longhorns.
First off, Texas A&M didn’t have near the body of work that Texas did (which is the same for Ole Miss and Oregon State), so despite the head to head, Texas remained ahead. That’s not even close to the same situation as Texas and OU this year, and frankly, OU fans need to stop with the bad examples and deal with the arguments here. For you to make such a statement, you better build a darn good case for A&M in 2006 (I know it’s not going to happen). Secondly, CC, you have altogether failed in numerous exchanges to build a case for Texas Tech reasonably winning the three way tiebreak. I’ve yet to hear a Sooner fan make that case, because they knew it couldn’t be done. The argument for Texas wasn’t simply “45-35,” although that got all the media attention. It was to compare the body of works of all three teams and see who merited the most scrutiny, and that was OU and Texas. And when you have two teams so close in terms of body of work and overall resume, head to head should weigh heavily.
CCmachine, I’ve said numerous times before that I think you run a good site. Getting rid of flamers is perfectly reasonable. However, don’t attack strawmen and make sweeping arguments that fail to address the issues and then imply that people who criticize are automatically flamers.
In any case, try not to embarrass the Big 12 this year. While I like Tebow, I really don’t want to hear more SEC bragging in the offseason and how their great defenses stop such awesome quarterbacks like Jarrett Lee from scoring. If you’re going to lose, don’t get pummeled.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 8, 2008 4:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I see that you have a lot of support for your argument also.
<Secondly, CC, you have altogether failed in numerous exchanges to build a case for Texas Tech reasonably winning the three way tiebreak. I’ve yet to hear a Sooner fan make that case, because they knew it couldn’t be done. The argument for Texas wasn’t simply "45-35," although that got all the media attention. It was to compare the body of works of all three teams and see who merited the most scrutiny, and that was OU and Texas. And when you have two teams so close in terms of body of work and overall resume, head to head should weigh heavily.>
Here is a comparison of all three teams’ wins and losses according to Saragin’s rankings are probably more objective than either me or you in ranking “body of work.”
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/How-dare-Oklahoma-continue-to-compete-for-an-ent?urn=ncaaf,127631#remaining-content
Looking at the data, not only is OU’s “body of work” significantly better than Texas, but Tech’s body of work is comparable to Texas’s.
by SoonerDutch on Dec 8, 2008 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read more closely
Do you really believe Tech had a chance in a three way tie? That they seriously had a shot in leaping both Texas and Oklahoma to emerge? If so, then make that case. Use BCS numbers to make that case. If not, then the point stands: Tech had fallen to the wayside and the debate was exclusively between Texas and OU. In either case, it’s a dead issue.
The link you have sent me to an article about whether or not Florida and OU run up the score on their opponents. This helps your case… how?
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 9, 2008 2:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Settling-the-Oklahoma-Texas-debate-with-the-big-?urn=ncaaf,125519#remaining-content
by SoonerDutch on Dec 9, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if
TES is taking the theory that ‘everyone wins’ or is still trying to say ‘ut is the best’. Who cares? Not me.
by scarab on Dec 8, 2008 8:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You never were one to care about actual arguments
So I’m not terribly surprised :).
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 8, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a 3 way is a 3 way, no if's but's and's, and maybes
Now do as the man has asked, be with us or leave us. It is B12 time you know.
by scarab on Dec 8, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"The man" asked for people not to flame
Unless, of course, you think what I’m doing is “flaming.” Which would be amusing.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 9, 2008 2:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
First off, thank you for your civil and even sympathetic communications over at BON. You have done much to counter the OU stereotype we have over there. Looks to me like you run a good blog here.
And second, the reason I dropped in, let me say loud and clear: Had OU lost to OSU and left Texas and Tech in a tie, I would have no complaint whatsoever about Tech being selected over Texas. The head-to-head record would have settled matters. I doubt you can find anyone over at BON who says different.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Dec 8, 2008 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
YOU wouldn’t complain, but there are plenty of Texas folk that would raise quite a ruckus. You would state “body of work”, “fluke win”, and numerous other catch phrases. I don’t claim to be either an OU or UT fan, but OU had a better team this year, despite the head-to-head win by UT. As a fan of the Big XII, I am excited that OU is in – they have the best chance for a win against Florida.
How about all the UT fans being excited about killing Ohio State (and embarrassing the Big-10 yet again), then keeping their mouths shut until the showdown next year?
by VarangianGuard on Dec 8, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's find out
I’ll ask the question over at BON and we can see the replies.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Dec 8, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
Since they beat us head to head, if it was a two-way tie, we’d understand why they would go ahead. We’d be angry out ourselves, no doubt, and we might even argue that since the NC game does not require a conference championship, we should still be in the national title discussion. In any case, that’s not what happened. It was a three way tie, and it went down to rankings, and we merely had a problem with how people were voting. Which of course is not big news; every college football fan has had a gripe with the voting throughout the years.
And how do you know OU has a better team? They lost to us, our body of works are comparable… so how? You don’t have any real objective evidence to back that up. Does OU deserve to go to the national title game? Sure, at least, more than Florida does. Of course, I’d argue that Texas also deserves to go (arguably before OU, clearly over Florida), but of course there was no way the voters were allowing a rematch despite OU and Texas having the two best resumes in the country right now.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 8, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do I know...
that OU has a better team? I don’t. Do you feel that Tech is a better team then Texas? Tech beat Texas with comparable body of works. That is my point….there is no real objective evidence to back up any claim of one team being better then another when all three teams lost once to each other.
It is a travesty that OU & UT didn’t get to play the Big XII championship against one another (leaving the North & Tech out this year) to decide this on the field. There is no good answer and this can be argued for years to come.
I believe the poll at BON will be a bit biased in regards to Tech vs Texas (with an OU loss), but would be curious to see how it turns out just the same.
by VarangianGuard on Dec 8, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Body of Works"?
What pushed OU over the edge in the BCS was the strength of schedule. OU clearly had a tougher schedule and the computer rankings recognized this, despite the human voting.
Stoops said himself that he believed that the pre-conference schedule pushed OU ahead of TX with OU’s wins against Cincinnati and TCU. Cincinatti is now 1st in the Big East, ranked no. 12 in the BCS, and is going to one of the BCS bowls. TCU is ranked 24th in the BCS and is 2nd in the Mountain West Conference. It’s not OU’s fault that UT had a pre-conference powder puff schedule.
Even when you consider the conference opponents, OU outmatches Texas. TX played four ranked opponents during their regular season, one on a neutral field, one away against Tech, and two at home. OU also played four ranked opponents, one on a neutral field, one away and two at home. But how did Texas and OU play against these opponents? I can tell you that OU whipped Tech by more than 40 and whipped OSU by 20 on OSU’s own field! Texas beat OSU on their own field by only 4 points.
Finally, OU beat Mizzou by 41 points (arguably on Mizzou’s home turf) while UT beat Mizzou at home by 25 points. Now I realize that you may argue that OU unfairly and without-class ran up the score to prove a point at Mizzou, but Mack Brown has played that game before, as some may have already told you about the 70-3 win against Colorado in the Big 12 Championship in 2005.
Another thing that gets me about the UT complaining is when Brown was lobbying the Coaches for a better ranking after the T A&M game saying that “we had a tought four game schedule, and lost in the last minutes of the Tech game.” Bull-crap! Tech owned UT for the entire first half. It was the second half that UT started playing better. Brown was minimizing the loss to Tech.
by Boomer S on Dec 8, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A very debatable topic
Is if non-conference games should even matter in deciding conference championships. Furthermore, neither Cincinnati nor TCU has a huge signature win; Cincy is the product of a very bad conference. It was OU’s luck that Cincy became the Big East champ and UT’s misfortune for Arkansas to have a transition year. It’s not like either school knew that when they created these schedules.
Even when you consider the conference opponents, OU outmatches Texas. TX played four ranked opponents during their regular season, one on a neutral field, one away against Tech, and two at home. OU also played four ranked opponents, one on a neutral field, one away and two at home. But how did Texas and OU play against these opponents? I can tell you that OU whipped Tech by more than 40 and whipped OSU by 20 on OSU’s own field! Texas beat OSU on their own field by only 4 points.
OU did not play 8 straight games and a four week stretch of top 11 opponents. That stretch was faced by Texas alone. Furthermore, in the three way tie, only one team didn’t have a home win against each other, and that was Texas, who won on neutral field. And only people who didn’t watch the game think OU “whipped” OSU. Oklahoma State was in it the entire game and only a meaningless touchdown at the end pushed it to twenty points to make people who only read box scores think it was a blowout.
And Texas got up on Missouri 35-3 at halftime and simply coasted for the rest of the game. You really don’t think we couldn’t have made that 63-14? Again, do more than spew out final scores but actually watch the games. Furthermore, also bother to read arguments: I already showed why CCmachine’s comparison to the Big 12 title game in 2005 was inaccurate, because Texas didn’t score a point for over one and a half quarters while Oklahoma scored 21 on a clearly beaten Mizzou team in the fourth with Sam Bradford not coming out of the game.
Texas played the worst half they could in the first half against Tech and still nearly won the game. How is that bullcrap to point that out? We were a dropped INT away from winning. Brown has never minimized Tech and always says they’re a great team. He’s just saying that our loss is the most understandable, given the stretch we faced and the circumstances. You can disagree with the argument, but don’t go around saying he’s trying to “minimize” the loss. If anyone is trying to minimize a loss, it’s Sooner fans who point to games against common opponents, point differential, and “style points” to cover up the fact they lost to Texas on a neutral field.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 9, 2008 2:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some good points, others no so
The fact remains that the TCU and Cincinnati games mattered in the end of season standings and “strength of schedule.” Everyone in the Big 12 agreed to the rule that if there is a three way tie, then it comes down to the BCS standings. We can change it later to what the SEC or ACC does if you think that is more fair.
And you’re right, Ok did not play 4 ranked opponents in a row. I understand that that was tough. A counterpoint to this is that OU scored a total of 321 points against common opponents (including the UT game) and UT scored a total of 235 points against common opponents (including the OU game).
I still consider a 61-41 score in the OU – OSU game a “blowout” despite it being close midway through the fourth quarter with the score being 44 to 41. Bradford is quoted as saying "Honestly, we wanted to score 60 points again." The comparison is still valid that OU’s win at OSU was more meaningful that UT’s win over OSU at UT.
Now I understand your argument that “Texas would never drive up the score on their opponents like that”. Your quote from Dec. 8 at 2:36 a.m. about the 2005 Big 12 Championship— “Texas, due to Colorado simply folding and playing awful, had 70 points with over ten minutes left in the THIRD QUARTER. After that, we didn’t score. Not a point. Nothing.” I just can’t accept your argument that “we couldn’t help but drive up the score.” 70-3 versus any opponent is driving up the score on its’ face.
I accept your fact that Texas got up on Missouri 35-3 at halftime, I don’t recall the score at that point, but to say they simply coasted for the rest of the game is misleading. I don’t think you could have made it 63-14. The final score was 56-31. Did Texas allow Mizzou 28 points in the second half as sympathy points? And I suppose that the additional 21 points TX scored in the second half was completely unnecessary.
What is this argument that “Texas played the worst half they could in the first half against Tech”? That screams minimization! When I saw the game, I observed some great Tech pass coverage. I do not deny that there were some dropped passes by the TX receivers, but you are not acting as a gracious loser. I graciously accept the fact that despite OU playing poorly in the RRR, you deserved to win.
And finally, I didn’t watch THIS game, but you can’t argue with the fact that you intentionally drove up the score in the T A&M game with a score of 49 to 9. The fact that this is the biggest point lead you have ever had over A&M in the history of your rivalry is NO coincidence.
by Boomer S on Dec 9, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong on many levels
If you consider games “blowouts” when they’re close throughout the entirety of the game, then you simply need to watch more sports. That’s why people criticize voters for merely looking at final scores. In some games, Team A goes up on Team B by three or four scores and holds their opponent down the entire game comfortably. When their backups are in, Team B scores two meaningless touchdowns in the fourth quarter. Just because the final margin is fourteen doesn’t do justice to the real “blowout” of the game. Another scenario is if Team A and B are close the whole game and then Team A pulls away with late scores. That’s no blowout, regardless of what the final score says. That’s a hard fought game.
And why just look at points scored? Why not points allowed? Why use either in the first place when, as I explain above, final scores can be misleading?
Again, it is obvious you did not watch the 2005 Big 12 title game. I think for most reasonable fans, playing three quarters of tough football is acceptable. Nonetheless, we obviously laid up with ALMOST A HALF TO GO. We were just a lot better than Colorado and they kept doing stupid things, so the score got out of hand. We could have easily scored 100 without breaking a sweat.
If you don’t think we could have made the score 63-14 or 63-21, then go ask Mizzou fans. They watched the game, and they know they got whacked from the beginning and didn’t have a shot to win the game. In fact, Texas jumped on Missouri a whole lot earlier than OU did; Missouri actually blew some chances to make the game interesting in the beginning, chances they didn’t have against Texas. We put our backup QB in rather early, we had our backups on defense in, and yes, we therefore “coasted.” That game was way over and we took our foot off the gas. Again, the problems seem to stem from the fact that you haven’t watched the games, or at least watched them closely.
I do not deny that there were some dropped passes by the TX receivers, but you are not acting as a gracious loser. I graciously accept the fact that despite OU playing poorly in the RRR, you deserved to win.
OU didn’t play poorly. Bradford threw five touchdown passes and the defense tallied some sacks. Don’t even try that; even knowledgeable Tech fans know that Texas played awful that game. I’m not making excuses; all I’m saying is that when you are comparing the different teams’ losses, it seems ours is most “understandable,” given the stretch we faced, the injuries we had, and the venue we played in. But that’s a dead issue anyway.
And finally, I didn’t watch THIS game, but you can’t argue with the fact that you intentionally drove up the score in the T A&M game with a score of 49 to 9. The fact that this is the biggest point lead you have ever had over A&M in the history of your rivalry is NO coincidence.
Again, watch the game. We pulled Colt with almost a quarter remaining, and he clearly wanted to go back in. We could have EASILY scored 60 if we wanted. The reason we kept scoring was because A&M wouldn’t stop the run. We had our SHORT YARDAGE SPECIALIST Cody Johnson run for huge gains and go for over 100 yards on like 8 carries in the second half. We weren’t throwing downfield, we didn’t have our starters in, and we didn’t shoot for 60 even though we would have gotten there easily. Contrast that to what OU did against Missouri, with Bradford still throwing and Brown still running.
Again, watch the games. If you want to argue that Stoops SHOULD run up the score, then that’s another discussion for another time. Just don’t try to say Mack does the same thing, because it’s obviously to anyone that he doesn’t. 35-7 against Kansas also could have been a lot worse, and columnists actually noticed that and complimented Mack for not thrashing the Jayhawks even more.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 10, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More on 2005 Title Game
Quoting CCmachine in the title story—
“Let’s flashback to the 2005 conference title game – anyone remember the 67 point beat down the Longhorns put on Colorado? Leading 42-3 at the half Texas poured on four more touchdowns in the third quarter to push their point total to 70. Already up by 60 points Texas rushed a punt, blocking it and returning it for a score. They’ll tell you that isn’t running the score up though.”
You really didn’t address this observation by ccmachine, but only stated that you were at 70 with 10 minutes to go in the 3rd. Don’t you think that 42-3 was more than enough at the half?
My main argument with your “you are classless because you run up the score” argument is that you can’t have your cake and eat it too Longhorn!
by Boomer S on Dec 9, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said above
Playing three quarters is generally acceptable, yet we didn’t even do THAT.
We didn’t block a punt when up 60. It was 49-3 EARLY in the third quarter. That made it 56-3. The next drive, they fumbled to us and then on offense we ran it in for a TD. 63-3, ten minutes left in the third quarter.
Then, they fumbled to us AGAIN, and then we ran it in to make it 70-3.
We didn’t score again. On one possession, we had the ball deep in Colorado territory. On third and five, we ran simple dive play with a backup (you know who Marcus Myers is? We don’t either). On fourth and three, we didn’t even kick a FG; we ran another simple run play with Myers and Colorado tackled him for a loss, ending the drive. We didn’t pass a single time that drive. That drive started at the end of the third (we had another possession that we punted on in the third) and into the fourth quarter, eating up over five minutes.
The next possession, we got the ball with nine minutes left in the fourth. We proceeded to run every play. We ate up six minutes and punted the ball.
By the way, Vince Young was long gone from the game.
On our next possession, we ran out the clock. Game.
I’m sorry to bore you with details like this, but you clearly didn’t watch the game or don’t remember it very well. We had our backups in, we didn’t throw the ball, and we scored that many points in the third quarter because Colorado kept giving us gifts in their territory.
Against Missouri, Brown was still running for OU, and Bradford was still throwing. To begin the fourth on a third and long, instead of running and settling for a field goal, Stoops passed it with Bradford to Mizzou’s goalline.
Again, I’m NOT saying that Stoops SHOULDN’T be doing that right now. That’s another debate. All I’m pointing out is that Mack DOES NOT do the same things. That should be obvious to anyone.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 10, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but....but.....WE'RE TEXAS
You don’t seem to understand……WE’RE TEXAS!! It doesn’t matter that we agreed upon the Big XII terms for a tie breaker before the season,.It doesn’t matter that ou did nothing except play football. It doesn’t matter that we run up the score and you can’t. WE’RE TEXAS and the rules don’t apply to us……(and yes I am a UT mom, and I was born and raised in Texas, so I understand this….. you guys obviously don’t).
I see that ou did nothing wrong. They lived by the system and we died by it. All our whining is just making us look poor and pathetic. Stoops just coached and it came down on his side. Again I say……. but, but…… WE’RE TEXAS….. and the rules shouldn’t apply to us….
by UTMOM on Dec 8, 2008 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Uh huh
A UT mom who first joins an OU blog. We should believe you… why?
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 9, 2008 3:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And listen
I agree that “whining” is unacceptable. However, engaging in debate and arguing for your stance is not “whining”; it’s part of what happens on sports blogs.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 9, 2008 3:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I am a UT MOM, and I was born and raised in Texas, and I have been over on BON reading all the stuff over there. I have the unique position of also being an OU mom, (didn’t disclose that, lol). So, I can see both sides. All I see is UT blaming OU and Stoops, who I don’t see did anything wrong. Was this all fair to UT?? Maybe, maybe not…..probably not, but it is the system we all agreed to, and now must live by, whether it is fair or not. I just get tired of hearing my UT buddies ‘whine’ about it being OU’s fault, and Stoops’ fault. All they did was play the game. My Longhorn student feels the same way. Just saying, blame the system, not those who just happened to benefit from abiding by it. I don’t have a problem with those ‘engaging and arguing for your stance’. Just those blaming OU and Stoops for playing within the established rules and benefiting from them. What would UT/Mack have done differently had they been in OU’s shoes…..refused to play in Big XII Champ.? Lost on purpose? Taken themselves out of it all?? What…..????
by UTMOM on Dec 9, 2008 7:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies
Forgive my comment above. I was sick and tired of people saying through one side of their mouth that Texas got screwed but then through the other saying that we shouldn’t argue about it. Didn’t make much sense to me.
I have to disagree with your assessment about us blaming Oklahoma. We make fun of OU (obviously), but we all know that Texas got screwed by the system, not by the Sooners. We think Stoops was being a punk by running up the score on some teams, but again that’s ultimately the fault of the voters for not watching the games to be swayed by that rather than Stoops’ fault. We know we aren’t the first team to be screwed, nor will we be the last. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be angry about it.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 10, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Being a UT Fan..
You guys run a really good blog here.
CC, You are a good fan for OU and I appreciate what you say here and on BON. That being said, don’t generalize about the entire BON community/ or Texas fans in general based on the few boneheaded fans that we have(each school has theirs).
I will always consider the crimsonandcreammachine to be a good rival blog, and I hope that that is the case for BON as well.
Hook em horns, and good luck at the NCG…show them what the Big 12’s got….
by thebrat on Dec 8, 2008 2:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And furthermore
I didn’t even know CC existed until I , out of curiosity, linked to it from BON…..
by UTMOM on Dec 9, 2008 7:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am a UT Dad, our daughter willl graduate UT this summer with honors.
Both her mom and myself are diehard Sooners. My daughter snickers and laughs at the antics of some of UT fans in Austin. She is tired of the hoopla and the rest of it. But she has never been nor will be a football fan of any team. Football just doesn’t interest her.
by scarab on Dec 9, 2008 7:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t believe a 4 loss VaTech and the 24th ranked BC Eagles are in a BCS game. But that’s besides the point.
Do the Big XII proud, OU.
by Tech92 on Dec 9, 2008 12:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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