Big 12 Championship Game Thread: Sooners vs. Tigers
by ccmachine on Dec 6, 2008 5:00 PM CST
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Location: Total Average Offense Yards (Rank) Average Points Scored (Rank) Average Yards Allowed (Rank) Average Points Allowed (Rank) Another year another championship game for Official Machine Prediction: 42-35 I know, I know! That is a close score but let me just say that I’ve called just about every game to be fairly close this season and most of them have resulted in blowouts. Why change now? Doesn’t look like I’ll be on the game thread tonight as I’m gathered with some friends at a watch party. Talk it up though! Share all of your thoughts before, during and after the game here.
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Well it looks like the Gators are going to win
Now it’s time to take care of business Sooners!
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I am about as sick as one person can be
from that CBS broadcast team.
If it was up to them, Florida would get the BCS trophy tonight and Tebow would get the Heisman. All of that right now on the field.
I really really really hope OU and Texas matchup in the title game. Verne and Gary have got me so upset with CBS and the SEC that I want that to happen just to piss them off.
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I am so scared when Stevens comes on the field
I am convinced anything could happen when he is out there. That is not a good feeling to have.
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I think they should kick it out of bounds before kicking to Maclin
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Is it just me or
does Missouri seem really chippy and chrippy tonight?
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It looks like...
…they’re trying really hard to show they’re not intimidated.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 6, 2008 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Someone threw a punch
Was that Beal?
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Nope Alexander
Looked like a punch
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Why are we self distructing?
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I hope Murray is just shook up
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What in the world are they wanting to review?
Quentin got the ball back
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Looks like they're employing the...
…“review everything” plan tonight. God forbid we trust the officials to get the call right on occasion.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 6, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Well since OU has always had a great experience with replay and all...
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The Missouri guys want holding too
As long as it gets called not at all, I’m good
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What a phyiscal first quarter
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Why not just kick it out of bounds
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He had a booger on his hand
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
-Bruce Lee
Colt and Chase are boyfriend and girlfriend
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Murray's injury?
Was that on a return? The game center stats show no rushes or receptions so I assume but just wondering.
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beautiful
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
-Bruce Lee
Wow - Madu quicker on that run than I had seen before
Now, as usual, just as we look about to put them away, we’ll give up a TD on the KO return.
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After seeing Sam flip again.
I think he might be a Ninja.
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Turnover margin - again
It’s what we have to do if we are going to have ANY chance in the MNC
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Has Bradford filed the draft paperwork?
I have not read anything, but coudl have easily missed it. I did hear that McCoy did.
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Mussburger has respect for the clowns, imagine that
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
-Bruce Lee
They've made McDaniels look average at best
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
-Bruce Lee
Wow....
tha’s all I gotta say.
I’m glad they’ve kept Maclin and Daniel in check
"I should apologize to girls for saying Sexson threw that helmet like a girl. I’m not even sure girls do that." - TAG 05/08/2008
The boys at BON are still somehow of the opinion Florida won’t pass them tomorrow. Idiots.
Thank you, Sooners, for keeping the Horns out of the title picture!!
They are basing a lot of that on
What BCSguru said today that if Hawaii beats Cincinnati then Florida goes but if Cincinnati beats Hawaii then it helps Texas in the computers and then the human vote could be split or something. It is possible not probable though.
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I think they are just going through the 5 stages again.
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Florida Beat The #1 Team In The Country But...
Texas beat OU 45-35 which as we all know now is the answer to everything!
I love how when your on BON
you kiss everyone’s butt, but the second you get away you start talkin smack.
Coward.
Its only a blog, we won’t hurt you.
45-35
If Daniel had tackled him
Then we could have said he ate him up…
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Well they know how Sam feels
since they aren’t getting hit.
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Remember when Texas Beat Us
They should really be here instead of us. Just saying…
I'm not sure if anyone remembers
but UT beat OU in Dallas on a neutral field, so this game doesn’t really count in the standings. Texas will play Alabama because their loss to Florida today on a neutral field doesn’t count either. In fact, Texas is now set to play in the next three national title games because they said so.
Wait, hold on
OU lost to Texas? I hadn’t heard that all week. This is news to me.
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I hadn't read that anywhere this week.
Where were the Texas fans screaming this from the mountain tops?
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Well, it doesn't matter
If the anti-gravity transmorgafier that Hobbes is building really works, they’ll plaly in Miami.
You don't even know his ex-wife
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Some notes from the live blog on SoonerSports
8:56 p.m. | Record Scoring
With 38 points scored in the first half, the Sooners set a record for points scored in a season during the modern era with 678 points, besting the previous mark held by Hawaii in 2006 (656). It took Hawaii 14 games to set that mark. This is Oklahoma’s 13th of the season. The all-time mark is 765 posted by the 1886 Harvard team. The Sooners currently are fifth on the list.
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Any chance they really score 60 in this game?
I just don’t see it.
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And with that note about the O-Line
cue Texas fans screaming that all the do is hold.
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Or if he's not a Ninja, Sam is a Jedi
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
-Bruce Lee
Next year is going to be ugly without this o-line
The defense should be improved though, but I have a feeling that Sam will be running for his life a whole lot more.
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Maybe
They have some very solid backups that just need some time to show what they can do.
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I am sure there is depth
but like they were just saying, you get a cohesiveness from playing together a long time that brings it to another level. I hope that they have some time to jell before the Texas game. I just kept reading before the start of the year that Texas was a year away, so I am dreading how next year is going to play out.
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They should just kick to Maclin for the hell of it
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I don't udnerstand why Pinkel doesn't just start getting the ball to Maclin on every play
Reverses, hand-offs, dump-off passes, anything….
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The turf monster
got Maclin and Dom
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That was kind of a bad call.
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Cue more Texas whining about running up the score.
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Texas - Missouri game this year
The final was actually
56-31
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Sorry - not clear
I was trying to point out that Texas had Colt McCoy in until the same point that we had Bradford in the MU game with pretty much the same score to counteract the threads about “no class”.
Of course, at the time I posted that I thought that Stoops would pull the 1st string if for no other reason than safety. Sorta cancels out my “no class” basis for the argument.
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They need to take the empty backfield quarterback draw out of the playbook
for the rest of the evening. That is not going to work.
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Maduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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awesome blocking
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Only the 3rd team in history
to get to 700 points for the season and 5 straight 60 point games.
Miami bound...
Come on man it was a record!
Don’t act so self-righteous that you wouldn’t want the Longhorns to go for it if they had the opportunity. It isn’t like they they were throwing into the end zone. It was a long run.
1st team defense was in as well through the whole game down to 3 min left (after the record was broken)...
Did the 1st team defense staying in really have anything to do with breaking the record?
by HornPossessed on Dec 6, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't - in fact, I think it was bad coaching, but for different reason
If it were my call, I would have yanked the starters a lot earlier. Not probably as much for sportsmanlike reasons as just safety reasons, although sportsmanlike stuff would have factored in. As a coach though I would want my players to be able to say that they set a record, but also want to balance that with sportsmanship, so it would be hard. But again, to me, you pull your starters because you are looking to the next game.
We have already lost Murray with no idea (most likely) as to exactly how long he would be out. Not to mention our paper-thin depth at linebacker at this point. We really should not have taken a chance to have any other key players injured as we are going to absolutely have our hands full against whoever we play next.
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I go by the philosphy of
The team that is getting beat down throws in the towel first. Until then you just keep playing.
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Y'all should be happy, really....
It just sets us up for a bigger failure that you can rag on us forever. If we had not run up the score and set the record and the record setting overall scoring in the modern era, then we would not be favored against Florida. As it is, with all the blather that will come out of this game about “best offense”, blah, blah, blah, we will probably end up favored for the game and then you can point to our historic collapse.
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You have to forgive them
after all they were relying on Missouri to resurrect their season
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by Sooner Vince on Dec 6, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
Classy. Team, school, state, all of it.
Can’t wait to see your latest bowl failure.
Cordially,
Everyone.
Too bad Texas couldn't beat lowly Tech
Then you wouldn’t have to come on here with you subjective opinions.
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by Sooner Vince on Dec 6, 2008 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Boise State, West Virginia, USC, and LSU beg to differ
about the “subjectivity” of my opinions.
I was referring to your opinion about Class, school, state, all of it.
We don’t need you to come on here reminding OU fans about our BCS losses. At least we played in those games.
In the BCS era, I believe OU and Texas have 1 National Championship apiece.
OU will play for another this year. Right now we have 7 total. How many does Texas have?
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by Sooner Vince on Dec 6, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
At least we played? That's your defense?
Bwwwaaaaaaa!
There is no point in defending those losses.
I am not defending losses. But I would point out that if OU has been fortunate to participate in so many BCS games they must have put together some good seasons to get there.
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by Sooner Vince on Dec 6, 2008 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely. Y'all put together a lot of good seasons. Not denying that.
But y’all also put together some horrific bowl appearances.
Dude you are living in the past.
I could also say that Texas put together some horrific Red River appearances during OU’s 5 year string of wins. But that is the past. What point does it serve.
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by Sooner Vince on Dec 6, 2008 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe If OU Made A Habit Of Going To The Holiday Bowl Every Other Year
They could be more like Texas.
+1
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by Sooner Vince on Dec 6, 2008 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
And if we made a habit of getting our ass handed to us in BCS bowls
we could be more like OU? Really?
I fail to see how "we went and lost" gives you bragging rights,
but whatever. Enjoy getting drilled by Florida.
Of Course You Don't!
Just like you can’t see how losing to Texas Tech is relevant to the 2008 college football season.
You want to criticize OU for failing in a feat that the Longhorns haven’t even sniffed in trying to accomplish but since Texas isn’t good enough to make it to the big stage on a regular basis you fail to acknowledge any other program that has. Typical weak Texas propaganda.
BTW, It's pretty classy
to join Crimson & Cream Machine for the sole purpose of getting on here to talk smack.
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by Sooner Vince on Dec 6, 2008 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Trust me this nonsense has been going on for the last few weeks.
Your not the first to get this bright idea.
I didn’t say we wouldn’t do it. I’ve seen the idiot’s over there that you have to deal with.
But you did join tonight and came on over.
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by Sooner Vince on Dec 6, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
I did indeed. And I haven't called anyone a homo, or said that anyone sucks ____, etc.
And I do have to say, CCMachine did have a post on BON that was very classy. No sarcasm, it was stand up.
Ummmm..
we pulled our starters in the 3rd. Link
But whatever. I have yet to see a defense for your team’s actions that doesn’t involve “SHUT UP!!!” or “We have more titles”.
Third String Running Back Scores The Final Touchdown On A 40 Yard Run
Seriously tell me that you wouldn’t want Texas to get that last score to set the record.
Bradford threw deep the play before.
If Halzle threw it, no gripe at all.
No, because it was a dumb record.
Did you think going in to this season, “you know what record I’d like to break? The record for consecutive 60 point games. That would make my year.”
How weak is that!
Because it wasn’t thought of at the beginning of the year? Are you kidding me? It had never been done in the history of the game.
I guess since you guys didn’t think that Colt McCoy was going to set the freshman touchdown record in 2006 it was a dumb record that shouldn’t have been accomplished. That is according to your own logic!
You're deluded.
No one knew what the record was for consecutive 60 point games until ESPN told you. Toby, you’re a child.
Actually We've Been Talking About It Here On This Site
But you wouldn’t know that because you just troll by to flame away out of jealousy.
You won’t even answer the question about wanting Texas to go for it if they were in that position. You know I have a point about wanting your teams to make history and you just look stupid talking in circles.
Ok, I'll spell it out.
I would not want Texas to go for an arbitrary record and sacrifice decency in the process. Is that clear enough for you?
As a sooner fan
he doesn’t know what “decency” feels like, therefore he doesn’t know what us Texas fans stick to.
45-35
Uh - I gotta call shenanigans on that one
I have been an OU fan since I was a kid, so I was used to big scores under Switzer. It seemed normal. Unfortunately, I actually went to OU during the waning years of the Gibbs era. And then I lived through the bourbon-fueled fling with Schellenberger and several shellackings during Blake’s time (the 73-21 at the hands of Osborne really stung not to mention the beat down from A&M the next year). So, I saw the other side of the story through those years and it made me feel like we had suffered some kharmic retribution for all those years of beating up on Kansas, Iowa State, Kansas State, and others.
Do I personally wished that he would have pulled the starters earlier? Yes, but I could also see sitting on the sidelines and having the players tell me that they wanted the record to silence all the people saying they should not be there and letting them stay in. Again, personally, I think he should have pulled them all for safety reasons – that should be his primary focus as a coach. You criticize him for lack of class, I criticize him for lack of coaching smarts.
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You are lying because it is only arbitrary in your mind since OU accomplished it.
You guys were wetting all over yourselves when McCoy set the record in 2006 and it only lasted one season. What Oklahoma did tonight hasn’t been accomplished, ever.
Whatever. Enjoy the win. You've got a very good team. You're playing for a title.
I’ll hope against hope that we meet you there. But you still ran it up.
we will enjoy a win in the fiesta
and OU getting blown out.
And in the end, we are a better team than OU, and we proved it.
Talk all the smack you want, we beat OU and Mizzou, I don’t care how many time Stoops runs up the score.
We are #1 in the Big 12.
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We'll Just Call You Guys The Alabama Of The Big 12
Make up your own championships while everyone else recognizes the true champion.
I didn’t go looking to talk smack. Little Charlie brought his weak game over here trying to stir the pot.
Actually, in that analogy,
we’re Florida. We won our neutral site game against the 2nd best team. And there’s not much of a pot to stir.
Ah, there's the anti homosexual trash talk
we’ve come to know from OU fans.
Flamer is a reference used to describe those who troll on websites just to talk trash
Thanks for showing your ignorance though
And I'm sure that is what the picture was
meant to imply.
The guy who posted a pic of
Christopher Lowell with the heading “Absolut Flamer” is calling me a bigot. I know I’m on the internet, but I feel like I’m really in Oklahoma.
I was just making a point that you were flaming on this site
You were the one who turned it into something else!
So could you please explain the
significance of the pic to a poor, uneducated Texas fan?
Well, It's a guy in a chair calling you (the troll) a flaimer!
In reference to the term used to describe people who go to sites of other schools to talk trash.
That is what it meant.
well I guess I will just go "old school" by deciding the "champion" by head to head results
and if I go by that, Texas wins.
Little Charlie’s argument is stronger than yours, so what does that make you?
So we are the field champion, and you are the paper champion… I’ll take the field thanks.
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Little Charlie Hasn't Made A Valid Point Yet!
Go ahead and call it what you want. The record books are forever going to read Oklahoma Sooners under the heading of 2008 Big 12 Football Champions. I’m okay with that.
and forever
Texas will have beaten both of you 45-35 and 56-31.
We decided it on the field, the voters gave it to you.
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I love it how Texas fans get all worked up
Over that Texas Tech game because you know that your team blew it and you absolutely will not acknowledge by your own logic that Tech is better than you guys.
and I love how OU fans
say they are better than anybody in the big 12 even though we kicked their butt’s on a neutral field.
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Well we are the three year reigning Big 12 Champs
So yeah that makes us better than the other 11 schools in the conference
even though we beat you 3 out of the last four years?
classic sooner, head to head doesn’t count for anything.
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Head to Head Doesn't Count?
Who won the Texas/Texas Tech Game? Who would that make the better team by your logic?
OU has won 6 of the last 9 games against Texas!
and we have beaten you 3 out of the last four
and we are 58 - 40 - 5 in our last 103 meetings.
Tech won.
and we beat you and mizzou.
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Scary factoid
Our longest losing streaks to any opponents – 8 – Texas and Kansas (although four of those losses came before we were a state, so not sure how that affects the trash talking on KU’s side – is it really all that prestigious to beat a territory?)
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Is this championship any less valid than 2006?
In that year if I recall correctly, you beat us, but then lost a couple games. So, you could argue that one was a sham also because we did not go undefeated in conference play, but still won the Big 12 championship. Basically, this year came down to a tie breaker that was brought on by three teams being tied at the top of the conference. A tie breaker that we did not cook up to deprive a specific team of a conference chmapionship, but that as far as I know all conference members agreed to a long time ago.
The idea is that if you are going to count head-to-head, then you have to count all the head-to-head games. And if that is equal, then you gotta figure out some other way to settle it. Is the BCS standings the right way? Right or wrong that is the current tie break determining factor and the computers came out barely on our side. They might break y’alls way tomorrow.
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Tell the truth now...
Red raider fan at heart?
Seriously
Don’t you guys have something better to do.
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by Sooner Vince on Dec 7, 2008 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
apparently you don't
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by Sooner Vince on Dec 7, 2008 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
It is never ending.
Maybe from now on the Big 12 can institute a new policy.
The winner of the RRS shall automatically win the Big 12 and go to the NC. Because it has been decided that one games head to head winner will be the greatest of all time.
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by Jubanator14 on Dec 6, 2008 10:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
see
you in florida!!!
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On a completely unrelated note
Cincy is losing by a TD and it looks like the Rainbow Warriors are driving for another score at the start of the 4th quarter. It could be interesting to see what this does to the BCS rankings if Cincy loses. Not sure how much that win helped us in the computers, but I assume a fair amount and with a loss, they could drop pretty far in the polls.
Would we lose so much in the computers that it overtakes whatever ground we had made up in the last week with the win over OSU? OSU was 14th in the last BCS standings vs. 13th for Cinci.
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It would make a difference but OU is also going to move up in the polls with the Alabama loss
That will help their position about as much as a Cincy loss would hurt. Things should be pretty much the same I would think.
It would hurt Texas and help Florida in the computers
Since Florida beat Hawaii and OU beat Cincinnati.
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Wow - I must have been sleeping that week - I had no idea UF played Hawaii
Oh wait – now I remember reading the boring stories about how they were flying here and staying over to go play Rice (???). It is all coming back to me.
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Move along - nothign to see here after all...
BCSguru says no way to above scenario – Cinci loss guarantees UF place in BCS game. I think a small part of my brain has been permanently altered by the past couple of weeks. It feels like studying for the SATs or GREs – tons of pointless facts that somehow matter but ultimately seem to escape my grasp.
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Plus the fact that it is almost 1:30 in the morning
If Hawaii scores on this drive I am going to bed.
Looks like you are staying up later
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Pick 6
That might start to make the UH QB a little shaky. If I were Cinci, I’d get the ball in Gilyard’s hands about a gajillion times before the end of this game.
I was stunned at the lack of touches that Maclin got. To me that is the diff between coaches like Urban Meyer and Gary Pinkel – Meyer recognizes Harvin is a special player and builds around him.Maybe Pinkel has done that, but I did not see it in tonight’s game or when Missouri played Texas earlier.
There is a good article on Dr. Saturday’s blog about Harvin and the play calls.
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Gilyard with the big play
Did anyone see it? I am following it on the intertubes and just see 69 yard pass play. I assume Gilyard left someones groin area safety instrument in the upper deck.
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the intertubes finally come through
“Marshawn Gilyard made Hawaii pay for a fundamentally horrendous missed tackle on the right sideline, following a short completion by Grutza. Gilyard stayed up after a diving defender rolled off his back, then streaked 69-yards up the right side, to put the Bearcats back on top by five, at 29-24.”
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So since we are assured of a place in the BCS title game, are the Longhorns going to defer the Big 12’s auto-bid to Texas Tech based on the two teams’ irrefutable, overriding head-to-head result, or does that only apply when it works in your favor?
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By their logic that is the way it should be but...
…their story quickly changes when it suddenly isn’t in their favor.
Damn, I am glad you dudes went to bed finally. The smack after the game was kinda intense.
We had a great time at the game. Did you notice the kitty fans leaving after half time and by the end of the 3rd almost all Sooner peeps. Nice.
I thought we put on a great beatdown on Mizzou. Mizzou was hot-headed of course, Chase got chased al night long and Bradford looked very poised. What was with that pass-catch in the 4th. Clearly looked out of bounds and there was no review of that?
Did Whack Brown get a stage with ABC last night?
Main observation: the PA system in Arrowhead sucks all the way back to the 60’s.
BOOMER SOONER
On the catch in the 4th
It looked like his left foot touched just before his right foot did. The right foot may have been out of bounds but it was close. Probably not enough evidence to overturn the call.
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
-Bruce Lee
His foot hit out of bounds right before the other hit inbounds but I thought Maclin's was a TD
Boomer Sooner!
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