McFarland chooses Sooners
by PacificNW-Sooner on Dec 25, 2008 9:16 PM CST
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One of the nation’s top football prospects has chosen his college destination.
Jamarkus McFarland, a 6-foot-3, 290-pound defensive tackle from Lufkin High School in Texas picked Oklahoma over Texas, L.S.U. and Southern California.
But the battle really came down to those enduring rivals, Oklahoma and Texas. Thayer Evans tracked the recruiting battle for McFarland from July until his decision on 12:01 a.m. on Christmas, a wild ride that took McFarland from a Hummer stretch limousine in Los Angeles to a party in Dallas with free booze, drugs and girls taking off their clothes. (McFarland, an honors student who is also his class president, described it all in a term paper for school.)
McFarland’s decision didn’t come easy, but a grueling few months that included teary conservations with his mother came to an end when he called the Oklahoma defensive line coach Jackie Shipp. When he told Shipp that he was coming to Norman, Shipp told McFarland to hold on and then began screaming.
In the end, Evans’s story shows how Shipp and Oklahoma Coach Bob Stoops did a better job of wooing McFarland’s family than Mack Brown and his assistants at Texas did.
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taking that article at a grain of salt? I mean we still somehow manage to get a top 10 recruiting class every year…
No disrespect to Jamarkus, no matter what school he chose, he made a good choice. Both schools were good in their own right…
Did you read the article?
He isn’t going to Texas because of the way they treated his family. I know that they Longhorns get Top 10 recruiting classes but we hear a lot of people ask why Texas kids come to Oklahoma and I think this sheds a lot of light on it!
exactly my point
do you think if the Longhorns really treated every recruit as badly as whats written in that article, we would do so well in recruiting every year?
so....
all I am saying is that might have to do with OU doing as well in recruiting, if not better, than Texas treating their recruits like garbage..
I would say it is a little of both
The reason why is that he isn’t the first kid to choose OU because of the way Texas handles their recruits.
very interesting article
can any NCAA problems arise from boosters, fans etc making financial offers to the young man’s family?
I think the whole recruiting process stinks, and seem to remember Coach Switzer saying that as well.
Especially disappointed that any school would use drug/alcohol parties as recruitment tactic to sway a young person.
Mack bragging about his house, ha ha ha, but …. but I’m Mack Brown. What a cheesemo.
First, none of what’s in the article astonishes me. Think about it: there is A LOT of money at stake, regardless of what we pretend. (Personally, I believe it’s a pity that the student-athletes aren’t able to share in that bounty as much as they should, but that’s an argument for another day.) When millions and millions of dollars are on the line, what would you do to get it? The issue is not if it happens, but rather if you get caught doing it. Frankly, OU has to be more vigilant with its recruiting program, in keeping those things under control. There are millions of Texas fans who would love to put a few torpedoes into it, as we’ve seen in the past. Those same millions of Texas fans would bend over backwards to help their beloved UT sweep the same transgressions under the rug.
Look at the situations with Adrian Peterson. I remember AD talking about why he came to OU, and it went something along the lines of, “Coach Stoops said, ’We’ll win with or without you. You can come here and win along with us.’” I posted in another thread the other day about the recruiting wars and how OU and UT act with them; this is another example of the Oklahoma attitude. Stoops can’t whine or cry about recruits won or lost; he still has to go out and win, regardless, and he does just that, doesn’t he? UT, on the other hand, gets the top talent, as ‘thebrat’ continues to claim and as I have conceded previously, yet STILL whines about it. The results speak for themselves.
Oh, and I love the quote about Miles: “He was very dry.”
Oh, and I love the quote about Miles: "He was very dry."
I think that Les Miles’ days are numbered at LSU! One more season next year like the one this season and he’ll be on the hot seat.
CCmachine, I'm very disappointed in you
I can’t believe you would even bother to believe everything written there, and even more so, I’m astonished that you’re naive enough to think you’re the “good guys” and that shady stuff doesn’t happen at Oklahoma (I mean, it’s not like they don’t have history with that sort of thing with car dealerships and all…).
And frankly, your “reason” that top-notch talent leaves Texas every year is just a bad argument. Top-notch talent can leave for a variety of reasons, and not all of them go to LSU; some go to Florida, LSU, USC, etc. There’s a lot of talent at Texas, and sometimes, some people like certain schools over others. You win some battles and you lose some.
If you don’t like Texas fans being suspicious, don’t simply point to an article whose only real source is the player’s whining mother. That’s not exactly thinking critically either.
I’m not naive enough not to think shady stuff happens at all the top universities, and truth be told, they are most likely not coming from the coaching staff. Every school has wealthy alums that will do anything to get players. Personally, if someone wants to go someplace else, that’s fine; we have other good players. Darrell Scott chose Colorado, Perilloux went to LSU, Brantley went to Florida… we’ve lost top recruits before. And it’s not like we were suffering from that, now were we? I tend to think we had a pretty good season this year.
If you want Texas fans to let the matter rest, don’t go around saying stupid stuff to smear our program either. That’s a mighty big glass house there in Norman for that kind of stuff.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 26, 2008 1:17 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
As always, scarab
You show an amazing ability to deal with issues and argue cogently without the blinders you accuse others of having. Cheers.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 26, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Excellent Post
Gotta love the holier than thou attitude from Sooner nation. Reminder to you folks…one of the teams playing for the BCS championship is on probation for..ahem…cheating. And, it aint Florida.
If you don’t like being accused of cheating, stop doing it.
You guys are great!
I appreciate your involvement here because it always brings a high entertainment value as you double talk. The whole point to this post was that it was the Texas fans who initially accused OU in cheating during the recruitment of McFarland (See FanPosts below this one) and now that the story is out that McFarland’s mom received offers from the Texas fan base you guys are all up in arms because someone actually had the audacity to point a finger at Texas and say, "something may not be right here."
The thing is that no one here posted one of those, "I’ve got an unnamed source close to the situation who said…" type stories. A link was provided to a story, in print, that mentions names and ultimately has someone accountable for printing it. Of course you guys blow that off and say it has no credibility and ridicule us for posting it. Then on the other hand you hold fast to the "my buddy’s friend said…" rumors like its God’s honest truth and criticize OU for improprieties based on rumor when no one is held accountable for starting the rumor. You can’t have it both ways!
If the story isn’t true then let Mack Brown and company come out and deny it by presenting their evidence. Until then quit brining speculation to the table. Once again Texas fans need to look into the mirror and quit pretending that you aren’t doing the same things that you are accusing others of doing.
Ccmachine, you're really stooping low here
now that the story is out that McFarland’s mom received offers from the Texas fan base you guys are all up in arms because someone actually had the audacity to point a finger at Texas and say, “something may not be right here.”
We’re mad because she has done so without any backing, any specifics, and without any facts. There are just bland accusations and Thayer doesn’t bother to even verify these claims, which are very serious accusations. I’ll agree that some Texas fans immediate accusations of cheating were unwarranted, but then again, you would expect more out of the New York Times. That they have what amounts to an OU beat writer on staff is puzzling.
The thing is that no one here posted one of those, “I’ve got an unnamed source close to the situation who said…” type stories. A link was provided to a story, in print, that mentions names and ultimately has someone accountable for printing it. Of course you guys blow that off and say it has no credibility and ridicule us for posting it. Then on the other hand you hold fast to the “my buddy’s friend said…” rumors like its God’s honest truth and criticize OU for improprieties based on rumor when no one is held accountable for starting the rumor. You can’t have it both ways!
It’s called critical thinking. And when did I say anything close to “I have an unnamed source…” Fact is, any critical reader will look at Thayer’s article and realize several things: His only “sources” are the mother and grandmother, he never interviews J-Mac’s high school coach Outlaw who was allegedly, according to McFarland’s mother, trying to “out-influence” his parent, he never explains the established fact that it was the mother who didn’t invite the Texas coaches to her house, and he never explains the established fact that the mother had Mack Brown’s cell phone number. Nor does he talk about the fact that McFarland was OU’s guest in Dallas and we may wonder why he was at a Texas party, that the Texas football program was well on their way to Austin, and that his mother’s absence in this story is strange.
If the story isn’t true then let Mack Brown and company come out and deny it by presenting their evidence. Until then quit brining speculation to the table.
You show ignorance of the rules here. The Texas program really can’t come out and talk too much about potential recruits until later, over a month away. There are several rules that will hamstring any response, but rest assured, a response will come. Furthermore, it is not the Texas program who has the burden of proof; it is those who bring in these very serious accusations. The fact that Thayer altogether fails to substantiate anything he claims should be a red flag to any critical reader. Again, all Texas fans need to do is blow holes in this story and point out the lack of substantiation, because that is where the burden of proof lies. You can find one response here from the owner of Orangebloods: http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=893523
Once again Texas fans need to look into the mirror and quit pretending that you aren’t doing the same things that you are accusing others of doing.
Again, I challenge you to show where I did anything of the sort. And is this an admission that the crap you’re agreeing to is unsubstantiated? Because to any objective reader, it is. What we have here is an OU beat writer on the NYT staff writing garbage about UT without any substantiation, and we have OU fans here trying to pretend that this is a great piece of journalism. Sorry, CCmachine, but you really looked goofy in your main page post, and you don’t look much better here. Your argument is essentially, “He’s a writer for the New York Times, so I’ll believe him.” I hope I don’t need to go further to explain why that is an awful position.
Like I said before, a large glass house resides in Norman. Careful where you throw rocks.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 27, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Shadow, I don’t have the time or desire to debate every post with you
But I’ve noticed a pattern with you that every time there is something that you don’t agree with you include a personal remark along the lines of "I’m really disappointed in you or you’re really stooping low. Let me just say that every reference to Texas fans is not a reference to you personally and while you seem to be a level headed and respectable football fan who cheers for the rival school you need to quit picking every hill as a hill to die on and quit taking every word written on this site personally. The fact is, this is an Oklahoma fansite and I could care less how my writings or opinions come across to Texas fans. My position here always has had and always will have an Oklahoma slant to it.
Eloquent speech and a good sense of humor will not erase the fact that many Texas fans were throwing Oklahoma under the buss for cheating based on an unsubstantiated rumor. Now that the shoe is on the other foot we are all fools if we post links to a story that throws some accusations back at Texas and should be ashamed for even reading such garbage much less actually discussing it. Because you are a Texas fan you get caught up in the middle of my shotgun comments when I say things like, "you guys" but it seems like you guys (Texas fans) like to toss around accusations about other schools and conduct witch hunts based on rumor but when something appears in a newspaper about Texas recruiting practices it is discredited because the guy who wrote it is from Oklahoma, or because his main source for info was the kid’s mom (really, who else would be a better source other than the kid himself) or he didn’t interview the right people. If you are that dogmatic about dispelling rumors or even proving them true then where was the fervor when the "my buddy’s friend said…" rumors were floating around about OU. Could it be because you are a Texas fan you didn’t care? BINGO! And the same principle applies here. It isn’t my responsibility to dispel this story and I really don’t care to because I hope it is true. Why, you ask? Because I am an OU fan and if you are looking for a Texas apologetics website then you need to go back to BON.
Now, I’m not ignorant in the fact that coaches cannot comment on recruits by name until after they have signed on the dotted line in February. I guess when I said Mack Brown could refute the allegations you assumed that I meant tomorrow or next week. Coaches have talked about situations and allegations involving, "a particular recruit" before without mentioning the kid’s name. I’m sure at the right time Mack Daddy will address the issue if the allegations are false to call be ignorant because he can’t do it specifically for another month or so is just plain stupid.
So, is there a rule that Texas fans can’t have a party if the football team is on a bus heading back to Austin? Because if there isn’t then your rebuttal to the party claim is pretty lame. It allegedly happened after the game so he wouldn’t have been with the OU football team anymore, as the Sooners themselves were traveling back to Norman, and the article says it was a party hosted by Texas fans and never mentions anyone officially associated with the team as being there. So tell me again why this isn’t possible and how the team traveling on a bus back to Austin negates it?
I’m sure to you the whole glass house phrase looks pretty cool when you type it out but here’s something else you should know. As fans of a program that has had its run ins with rogue boosters and the NCAA we have learned to follow a simple rule, where there’s smoke there’s fire. It maybe a glass house but that just means we can see clearly what is happening on the outside and we see some smoke rising to the south.
Alright, CC
But I’ve noticed a pattern with you that every time there is something that you don’t agree with you include a personal remark along the lines of "I’m really disappointed in you or you’re really stooping low. Let me just say that every reference to Texas fans is not a reference to you personally and while you seem to be a level headed and respectable football fan who cheers for the rival school you need to quit picking every hill as a hill to die on and quit taking every word written on this site personally.
I assure I do not; I wasn’t “disappointed” because of any perceived attacks on myself but I what I saw was very poor critical reading on a bad article. I understand you aren’t attacking me; the reason I asked that you point out where I called out on “unnamed sources” was to try to direct you to actually answer my posts without a “shotgun” comment. There are unreasonable fans on all sides. I could simply ignore everything you say and lump you with a lot of numskull Sooner fans I’ve met, but that wouldn’t exactly be having a good discussion.
Eloquent speech and a good sense of humor will not erase the fact that many Texas fans were throwing Oklahoma under the buss for cheating based on an unsubstantiated rumor.
Indeed many were. This makes it okay for Oklahoma to do the same?
If you are that dogmatic about dispelling rumors or even proving them true then where was the fervor when the “my buddy’s friend said…” rumors were floating around about OU. Could it be because you are a Texas fan you didn’t care? BINGO! And the same principle applies here. It isn’t my responsibility to dispel this story and I really don’t care to because I hope it is true. Why, you ask? Because I am an OU fan and if you are looking for a Texas apologetics website then you need to go back to BON.
I already wrote regarding Darrell Scott last year that circulating continuous rumors were unwarranted. I don’t need to defend myself just because I didn’t rush to the defense of Oklahoma (I’ll simply plead ignorance here; I wasn’t visiting BON on anywhere else very regularly until after this whole J-Mac mess; it is, after all, the holiday season), and I also did nothing to continue these rumors or give any credit to them. That’s a far cry what you’ve done here; it’s an OU site, but if it’s a site on SB Nation on which fans come to discuss topics, some more level-headed analysis of articles is expected. Simply saying that you want the allegations to be true isn’t responsible thinking at all.
I guess when I said Mack Brown could refute the allegations you assumed that I meant tomorrow or next week. Coaches have talked about situations and allegations involving, “a particular recruit” before without mentioning the kid’s name. I’m sure at the right time Mack Daddy will address the issue if the allegations are false to call be ignorant because he can’t do it specifically for another month or so is just plain stupid.
Then you should have clarified, because frankly, the tone of your challenge that Mack should answer made it sound like you were daring the Texas football program to come out and immediately blast MacFarland. If you did not expect an immediate response, then thanks for the clarification, and this matter will rest until next month.
So, is there a rule that Texas fans can’t have a party if the football team is on a bus heading back to Austin? Because if there isn’t then your rebuttal to the party claim is pretty lame.
What in the world are you talking about? I merely pointed out that this party had NO AFFILIATION with the football team, first of all, and then I pointed out that MacFarland was not even Texas’ official guest. These are obviously very important facts to consider and any responsible journalist would ask some questions regarding the situation of this “party.” Obviously, fans on both sides throw parties after the game. I’d imagine that not all OU parties are so “wholesome.” Even if he did go to such a ridiculous party, it is the kid’s responsibility, not the university’s. He can just leave, after all.
It maybe a glass house but that just means we can see clearly what is happening on the outside and we see some smoke rising to the south.
I did not say it was a clear glass house, now did I ;). Perhaps your vision is blocked or skewed?
CC, I’m sorry if I offended you, but in all honesty, I did not expect such a ridiculous article to be taken so seriously until further evidence. I understand this is an OU site, and if anything, such an article will cause great laughter, but I’m just surprised that it could be taken seriously at all. If you want to point to Horns fans accusing OU based on unsubstantiated rumors, I’m with you: I think that’s wrong. It’s not like J-Mac is the first big recruit to choose someplace else besides Texas, and he won’t be the last. However, if you think it’s wrong, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to do it yourself. Just because a bad article appears on the blog section of the New York Times website doesn’t make it credible.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 28, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
TES, You just don't get it, do you?
This is OUr site.
You never seem to agree with cc or anyone on this site, therefore anything we say seems to bother you. yOU should take it easy on cc because you cOUld have someone like me operating this forum. Someone who would smack you with words and cut yOU off at the first opportunity.
Go back to the BONers site.
wonderful way to represent the fans of this blog...
insult all the opposing fans! Wonderful, I’m sure glad CC is not a d-bag like you….
I didn't call you out,
your posts are for the most part your opinion and not overbearing. But now you call me a d-bag, I think the same of you.
Enjoy.
thats fine..
but how is it overbearing to criticise someone’s opinion? Isn’t that what a blog is for? For discussion? I mean, do you really want this blog to be just a site for sooner fans to say ‘yay wtg’ or ‘Texas sucks’ everytime a news article comes out? are you telling me that you don’t want debate on this blog?
From what I see, TES was not making it personal, neither was CC and it was civilized debate. If you can not bear reading anything negative about an OU recruit then ask CC to get rid of TES. Lets see what CC has to say about it. I doubt he will agree with you.
You really can't add anything useful, can you?
You never seem to agree with cc or anyone on this site, therefore anything we say seems to bother you.
Yeah, CC and I never agreed that Dallas is a neutral site and Sam Bradford was a deserving Heisman winner… and how awful it is that people actually disagree with ideas. It’s not like mature adults should ever, ever deal with that kind of thing.
I will say no more other than compliment CC, since you think I am hard on him or something. He runs a good site here and I think OU fans, as well as any other fans, benefit from that who visit this place. He knows the difference between flaming and heated disagreement, and he encourages good forum talk between fans. As all good moderators should. Not only should I be thankful for that, for I’ve seen bad moderators before, but especially other OU fans should be thankful that he isn’t afraid of other perspectives and isn’t trigger-happy with the ban button. So while I differ greatly on CC’s treatment on this article, it doesn’t change my opinion that he’s a good moderator.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 29, 2008 1:30 AM CST up reply actions
I'll defend Scarab
cause i agree with him. You say you come for “heated disagreement”. But that’s not the point of this site. It’s a fan site for OU fans. If you came here to hear the OU point of few or take on things because of respect for us, then that’s great. But you don’t. You come here to argue the OU take down, and you don’t respect OU, it’s fans or their points of few at all. To you they are all wrong, automatically because they come from an OU fan.
And I can say, I don’t care for fans of other teams, that come here, and can’t respect anything about OU or our support of University athletic programs and that we might have a legitimate reason to our opinions in support of Oklahoma University.
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
Strawman alert
You come here to argue the OU take down, and you don’t respect OU, it’s fans or their points of few at all. To you they are all wrong, automatically because they come from an OU fan.
Because that’s EXACTLY how I argue. I never spell out the reasons for why I think to give others the opportunity to specifically respond to them. I always just assume that opinions are wrong because of affiliation, and accuse OU fans of whining and whining about whining (wait… I think that’s someone else above)…
Try to attack more than a strawman, Redhawk.
I have agreed with OU fans before, here and elsewhere: Against SEC fans, I have defended Sam Bradford, I agree that Dallas is a neutral field, and I agree that Oklahoma’s overall resume is better than Florida’s (of course, that doesn’t mean they’ll win). I don’t agree or disagree simply based on affiliation. I look at their arguments and reasons and see if they hold.
And I can say, I don’t care for fans of other teams, that come here, and can’t respect anything about OU or our support of University athletic programs and that we might have a legitimate reason to our opinions in support of Oklahoma University.
Where have I disrespected OU’s athletic program? By disagreeing with fans on this website? That makes sense. Of course fans may have a legitimate reason to support their program; that doesn’t mean their reasons regarding every issue are correct. What I saw here, in my view, was poor treatment on a poor article that is being increasingly exposed as a hack job and that basically tried to smear the Texas program. That has NOTHING to do with whether or not it’s legit to be an OU fan. Obviously, as you will find here, I wasn’t saying anything like, “You guys are retards for being OU fans.” I was saying that many people here have seem to turn off their objective lenses just because they want this bad article to be true in all respects, as even CC admitted. It really seems in this post you are equating believing in a bad article that tries to smear Texas with supporting OU, and if so, perhaps you need to review why you are an OU fan. If a similar article appeared about Oklahoma, I would not feel the slightest need to support it just because I’m a Texas fan and I would try to judge the article on its own merits. Doing otherwise is just bad critical thinking. That doesn’t mean I won’t wear my burnt orange proudly against the crimson in the RRR. These things are not the same.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 29, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks redhawk
TES, leave. How much more simple does it have to be drawn out?
Buddy.. I have been around the horn more friggen times than any 10 of the people on this site. In my good, healthy, long, and prosperous life I have learned many lessons and made many observations(my most useful certification from a DOD agency section). First you are a windbag, second you are very very contrarian to the point of being obnoxious. You like to write novels continually hammering the same points over and over and over to the point you are the one who contributes nothing and looks the part of the village idiot. Ninety percent of the time a simple two or three line response would suffice. But nooooooo, you HAVE to make a point and try to pound your idea into someone else. Your long winded diatribes reveal that your strongest personality trait is outright pure stubbornness. No amount of facts, no amount of other people’s input will ever change your mind or opinion about anything you do not spout out first. You like to bait people and continually work at being obnoxious. Lastly your constant display of these traits also suggest a strong ‘look at me, look at me’ syndrome with some arrogance added. You would make a great attorney, go out there an sue someone and make several, hundred dollars an hour.
Buddy.. I have been around the horn more friggen times than any 10 of the people on this site. In my good, healthy, long, and prosperous life I have learned many lessons and made many observations(my most useful certification from a DOD agency section). First you are a windbag, second you are very very contrarian to the point of being obnoxious. You like to write novels continually hammering the same points over and over and over to the point you are the one who contributes nothing and looks the part of the village idiot. Ninety percent of the time a simple two or three line response would suffice. But nooooooo, you HAVE to make a point and try to pound your idea into someone else. Your long winded diatribes reveal that your strongest personality trait is outright pure stubbornness. No amount of facts, no amount of other people’s input will ever change your mind or opinion about anything you do not spout out first. You like to bait people and continually work at being obnoxious. Lastly your constant display of these traits also suggest a strong ‘look at me, look at me’ syndrome with some arrogance added. You would make a great attorney, go out there an sue someone and make several, hundred dollars an hour.Now you may try to smack me for being long winded when I could have just said FO, but nooooo. You don’t get it.
Shrug
Again, scarab, as any objective reader will see, somebody here is resorting to ad hominem arguments and is completely avoiding the real discussion here. And despite “being around the horn” for so long, apparently such real life lessons of adult discussion, sound argument, and mature disagreement never took hold. There’s not much more to say to you; in fact, the last response wasn’t even to you, nor was the original response, which was to CC… yet you come attacking me. What does that say about you?
Short enough response? Oh wait, since it was a paragraph and not just a two or three line response filled with an insult, I am obnoxious. I forgot.
I would encourage you to read further about this article, which is increasingly being exposed, but since you have no interest in the actual issue, I’d be wasting my time. Good day, sir. Congrats on your prosperous life, in any case.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 30, 2008 1:16 AM CST up reply actions
So..
Criticizing someone’s opinion is disrespectful? Its better than the other idiotic Texas fans that come here and say ‘OU sucks’ on every post they make….I mean if you think criticism is some sort of lack of respect, then I’m afraid, you have other things to worry about in the world, like actually growing up.
You come to our house
then complain about the furniture and how ti’s not near as good as yours. Yes that is disrespect.
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
also..
I was one of the texas fans that said that the rumors we heard from our ‘sources’, was whining until evidence was supplied. This article does not give us the complete evidence either, so why should we believe it? and for that matter, if you did not believe the other story, why should you believe this one? It gives us only one side of the story just like the previous story.
I'm just stoked JMac is gonna be a Sooner...
now lets add RRandle…
by PacificNW-Sooner on Dec 29, 2008 1:43 AM CST reply actions
Am I the only one...
who is puzzled that McFarland can be an “honors student” after reading every one of his quotes in the story?
Hopefully when he gets to OU, he’ll grow up and not have to depend on mama to make all his decisions for him. Of course families should be invovled in helping their kids make such an important decision, but is she really helping him by swaying him away from a school because SHE wasn’t allowed to have a batline directly to the head coach? Or because SHE didn’t get as many e-mails and letter from one school than another? It sounds to me like she just wants to be queen bee more so than what is best for her son. After all, how can she help decide where her son best fits in to play football when she doesn’t even go to his football games now?
The other aspects of the story are ho hum. I am absolutely shocked that a college party could have alcohol, drugs and girls taking their shirts off. That is outrageous behavior that shouldn’t be tolerated on any campus! But I guess according to McFarland, big parties are wrong, but as long as sorority girls are only a “little tipsy” it is okay to provide alcohol to underaged partiers.
Finally, I would venture to guess that Stoops (or any other OU faithful) wouldn’t have been in a circus-like mood the morning after the UT game. Don’t you expect a coach to be a little dry after a major conference loss? did he expect Les Miles to start a stand up routine?
All in all, I think we can all agree that recruiting is a dirty game. Coaches can’t control third party boosters and every big program is in danger of violations at any time.
I just hope for OU fans’ sake, that this kid is smarter than he comes across in the story.
See you all on the 8th.
All I care about
is he stays academically eligible for 4 years. (And doesn’t do anything stupid like steal coats from Burlington Coat factory, take a gun on a plane, etc)
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
That's a good point
Do those recruiting websites ever do follow-up work to determine how the top 5-10 guys in each class end up? It would be interesting to see how many of the best players were ranked at the very top coming out of high school.
I remember a D-lineman that UGA and Florida were fighting over several years ago. He changed his commitment back and forth about 4 times and finally ended up playing for UGA but wasn’t very good.
http://www.sundaymorningqb.com/story/2008/1/21/1614/43228
It’s not exactly the same question (If individual rankings pan out) but it looks at team’s collective recruiting class ranking correlates into team success.
WOW...
I’m surprised McFarland signing with OU hasn’t caused the govenor of Texas to activate the National Guard and declare war on Norman. This is crazy stuff. However, I’m glad he’s a Sooner. I personally want to give thanks to his mother for her provided assistance and guidance to her son as he underwent a difficult, life changing decision. He made a d%mn good choice and I look forward to seeing him wreak havoc on opposing offenses……BOOMER!
As you should be
He looks to be a fine player. If he just chose OU and left it at that, then while Horn fans would be disappointed, we’d make our typical Oklahoma jokes and then move on. The reason Texas fans are angry is that this has turned into an unsubstantiated smear campaign by a clearly biased journalist. It seems many OU fans don’t understand that; they just think we’re mad because he chose OU, which isn’t the case at all.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 30, 2008 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
I get it now.
Sooner fans are the ones who don’t understand. We never understood 39-33, we never understood how 3-way tie really means 2-way tie, we never understood the rues of the BCS rankings. Sooner fans we need to study more so that we can understand.
I do understand that a journalist wrote a fabricated article. I am not a fan of the media and the guy that wrote the article is a hack and should be reprimanded, but this type of thing has happened to OU as well. I understand that part.
Here is what I don’t understand. The arrogance displayed by some UT people. I have read on other boards two posters, Ketchum and Tysonmalek spout crap that rhymes of ‘but, but.. we’re Texas’, ‘how dare you smear the glorious name of Texas’ and so forth. Talk about arrogance. For the most part you do not spout that type of stuff. Reading and listening to the arrogance is getting very very old.
I understand your anger against the journalist...
However, you have to admit that “OU cheated” was the first thing on the mind of every Texas fan when the word got out that he(McFarland) had downsized his list of schools to just OU and Texas. And when he chose OU, I would be willing to bet even though there would be absolutely no way in proving it that most but not every Texas fan definately believed that OU cheated.
by EnragedOUfan on Dec 30, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe if OU hadn’t been caught cheating more than any other program in the history of the NCAA people wouldn’t assume they were cheating.
I mean, your mascot is dedicated to cheating. What do you expect?
hodad, I hope you really don't feel that way about the OU mascot and are just towing the company line
Because if you really do you are putting your ignorance on display for the whole world to see. Now, if you want to go down the road to ignorance then let’s talk about idolizing a castrated cow.
What is your argument? The Sooner Schooner symbolizes the Sooners who cheated to claim land in Oklahoma before it was legally opened up to settlement.
No,
Here’s a quick history lesson for ya!
Sooners were mostly deputy marshals, land surveyors, railroad employees, and others who were able to legally enter the territory early to mark out choice pieces of land for themselves or others. A Sooner is now defined as an, “energetic individual who travels ahead of the human procession.” Oklahoma is known as the Sooner State which means land of opportunity.
The ones who entered illegally were known as moonshiners because they entered at night by the, "light of the moon."
Boomers were the ones who also entered the territory legally at the, "boom" of the shotgun blast.
You have to admit that it is a lot more creative than a cow! I realize that you guys say that it means, "Cheater" because it requires less thought and makes all your buddies slap you a high five but as I said earlier it just shows your ignorance. I’m sure there are other names you guys would like to call them but, "up here, `round these parts" we just call `em 6 time Big 12 Champions!
Here's a quick history lesson for ya! too.
Sooners were mostly deputy marshals, land surveyors, railroad employees, and others who were able to legally enter the territory early to mark out choice pieces of land for themselves or others.
-ccmachine
“Even the fleetest of the horsemen found upon reaching their chosen localities that men in wagons and men on foot were there before them. As it was clearly impossible for a man on foot to outrun a horseman, the inference is plain that Oklahoma had been entered hours before the appointed time. Notwithstanding the assertions of the soldiers that every boomer had been driven out of Oklahoma, the fact remains that the woods along the streams within Oklahoma were literally full of people Sunday night. Nine-tenths of these people made settlement upon the land illegally. The other tenth would have done so had there been any desirable land left to settle upon. This action on the part of the first claim-holders will cause a great deal of land litigation in the future, as it is not to be expected that the man who ran his horse at its utmost speed for ten miles only to find a settler with an ox team in quiet possession of his chosen farm will tamely submit to this plain infringement of the law.”
—William Willard Howard
—Harper’s Weekly 33 (May 18, 1889): 391-94. [see source below]
“Federal marshals, railroad personnel, and other persons lawfully in the territory before the opening (”legal sooners") were prohibited from filing land claims—a provision that was more violated than observed."
-From Oklahoma Landrush of 1889
That’s from Cornell, from the Ivy League. And since it’s from 1889, and Mr. Howard was there, his article is called a ‘primary source’.
I think I’ve got to agree with hodad:
Nice revisionist history. If you say it it must be true!
I don’t think Sooner Sports, your source, is probably the best source to use for unbiased history. And it’s certainly not a primary source.
Nice revisionist history. If you say it it must be true!
I wondered how long it would take OU to claim that this year is a legit Big 12 championship. Not very long I see.
Did the Sooners win the Big XII CG?
Yes so they are Big XII Champions it really is very simple isn’t it. Now just for you they were co-champions of the South feel better now?
Miami bound...
Like, I said
It takes less intelligence to just say it means cheater. You could do some homework and look up for yourself but then you won’t be able to use the cheater phrase anymore. And why wouldn’t Sooner fans claim the Big 12 Championship? Everyone acknowledges it but Texas fans and the final polls showed how the rest of the world feels about the thoughts of Texas fans. They really don’t care what you all think!
So please, why you are spouting your ignorance and bagging on the OU mascot please tell us how a cow is better?
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