Oklahoma Sooners – 2008 Big 12 South Champions
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 3:59 PM CST
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With apologies to the Texas Longhorns I think I’ll celebrate a south division championship now. It is
Now the Sooners must turn full attention to the Missouri Tigers and not worry, or even care, what the critics are saying. With the conference championship in Kansas City it will be like a home game for the Missouri Tigers and you know that they will be looking for both redemption in the 2008 season and revenge from the 2007 season. There are middle linebacker questions to address as well as coverage issues on one of the Big 12’s best receivers. We’ll get into that this week but for right now let’s just take a big sigh of relief.
Can I get someone to holla’ back – BOOMER!!!
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BCS AVG
PRVS
RK
PTS
%
RK
PTS
%
COMP AVG
A&H
RB
CM
KM
JS
PW
%
1
Alabama
.9713
1
1
2815
.9965
1
1521
.9974
3
25
25
23
21
22
22
.920
2
Oklahoma
.9351
3
4
2569
.9094
2
1397
.9161
1
22
24
24
25
25
25
.980
3
Texas
.9223
2
3
2575
.9115
3
1396
.9154
2
23
22
25
23
24
24
.940
4
Florida
.8851
4
2
2619
.9271
4
1385
.9082
6
20
23
22
20
20
19
.820
5
USC
.8076
5
5
2378
.8418
5
1298
.8511
8
17
21
19
19
18
17
.730
6
Utah
.7844
6
7
2111
.7473
7
1153
.7561
5
24
19
21
22
21
21
.850
7
Texas Tech
.7805
7
8
2090
.7398
8
1116
.7318
4
21
20
20
24
23
23
.870
8
Penn State
.7373
8
6
2177
.7706
6
1176
.7711
9
18
16
17
16
16
18
.670
9
Boise State
.7034
9
9
1937
.6857
9
1044
.6846
7
19
18
18
18
19
20
.740
10
Ohio State
.6340
10
10
1856
.6570
10
999
.6551
11
16
17
16
11
13
14
.590
11
TCU
.5633
14
12
1502
.5317
11
836
.5482
10
15
13
12
17
17
16
.610
12
Ball State
.5306
15
11
1526
.5402
13
765
.5016
12
13
15
15
12
9
15
.550
13
Cincinnati
.4831
16
13
1425
.5044
12
770
.5049
15
12
9
14
9
11
12
.440
14
Oklahoma State
.4276
12
14
1217
.4308
15
613
.4020
T-13
7
12
7
13
15
13
.450
15
Georgia Tech
.4046
22
16
1065
.3770
16
590
.3869
T-13
10
11
10
15
14
9
.450
16
Georgia
.3311
11
20
833
.2949
19
440
.2885
16
14
10
13
8
8
10
.410
17
Boston College
.3202
21
19
834
.2952
20
435
.2852
17
9
3
9
14
12
8
.380
18
BYU
.3142
18
17
990
.3504
18
461
.3023
18
6
14
6
5
6
11
.290
19
Oregon
.3041
23
15
1076
.3809
14
658
.4315
23
0
7
4
0
0
6
.100
20
Missouri
.2818
13
18
896
.3172
17
470
.3082
20
8
8
5
4
4
5
.220
21
Michigan State
.2550
19
21
688
.2435
21
414
.2715
19
11
5
11
1
2
7
.250
22
Northwestern
.1216
24
22
414
.1465
22
333
.2184
NR
1
0
0
0
0
0
.000
23
Pitt
.1012
25
23
346
.1225
23
154
.1010
T-24
5
1
8
0
0
2
.080
24
Florida State
.0768
20
29
30
.0106
29
15
.0098
21
4
0
3
10
10
4
.210
25
Virginia Tech
.0573
NR
27
71
.0251
26
41
.0269
22
0
0
2
7
7
3
.120
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It is an imperfect system
We knew coming in that two of the three teams would be getting hosed today. One thing that I really appreciate is that neither Bob nor Mike Stoops voted. I really am sorry for you guys and wish we could have a rematch in Kansas City.
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats the one thing that really sux
i have talked to alot of ou fans and all of them would prefer a rematch of texas ou than ou mizzu, i am pissed that this happened but its not ou’s fault, its the system. i’m sure stoops would prefer a rematch as well, oh well, maybe in a perfect world
by wishiwasalonghorn on Dec 2, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hang on a second
There are 3 co-champs of the South. You guys are the division’s representative.
by mnHorn on Nov 30, 2008 4:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's true
but if we beat Mizzou, we are the undisputed Big XII champs.
by chuckb on Nov 30, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
make no mistake, for 08, you will ALWAYS be the disputed big 12 champs.
45-35
by Hook'em13 on Nov 30, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop it
Before you start sounding like a bitter Buffalo Sabres fan from 1999.
by Brandon Bibb on Nov 30, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not being bitter
nearly stating a fact.
45-35
by Hook'em13 on Nov 30, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well dude your facts are wrong again. This is the second time you were wrong. 39-33
and while we might be Co-Champs in the South division, if the Sooners beat Mizzou the will be the B12 Champs. Ony two teams play in that game, not three, and UT is not one of the two teams playing. Get lost till next year.
by scarab on Nov 30, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
even though they did beat both of those teams
just a flawed year all around
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, if you want to say that...
,,,but the purpose of a tie breaker is to declare a winniner and OU won.
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Stoops confirmed during his presser that he was asked by ESPN to appear during the Texas-Texas A&M game.
He declined, stating that he didn’t think it was the right thing to do.
Perhaps Mack could take a clue from that decision in the future.
by Brandon Bibb on Nov 30, 2008 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You have the wrong BCS poll up dipshit
45-35. Booya!
by Dawnpatrol on Nov 30, 2008 4:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now I don't care who you are that is funny!
Got it fixed now. I guess in my elation I grabbed last week’s.
This is also your profanity warning!
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lot of Filthy Okies Are Gonna Pay For This Injustice
45-35, next okie I see is getting smashed in the fucking nose
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 4:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you're all class
you make your school proud
by chuckb on Nov 30, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah cuz football is SO CLASSY
class, like OU is way over-rated.
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whine, whine, whine
do it elsewhere.
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nah i'll do it here
come and make me or shut your hole
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're mature
i’m not even an OU fan (mizzou actually) and you still feel the need to take out your anger on a board?
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2008 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
chuck, i’m ashamed of your college football rooting interests.
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am telling on you, go home I hear your mom calling, oh I meant your mom barking.
by scarab on Nov 30, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ban this troll
he’s not better then the Longhorns who have a good reason to be upset
by OUFootball on Dec 1, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone report this clown and ask ccmachine to ban him. He is bad for this forum. I did because I won't put up with his crap.
by scarab on Nov 30, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is talking about
LonghornsPwn
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LonghornsPwn for his two blatant uses of profanity. Check his posts
by scarab on Nov 30, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's gone!
Sorry that I missed that. There have been a lot of comments to read through today.
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
u scared of a few cuss words scarab
you’re not the word patrol, silence yourself
by OUFootball on Dec 1, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey ccmachine
Let’s not listen to people that have napoloen complexes like scarab.. And don’t pretend like you hadn’t seen all those bad words by LonghornsPwn. LIke boomer1 said, what makes this such a good rivalry is the teasing and ribbing we have with the longhorns and I don’t think we need to be nazi’s like scarab. In fact, go ahead and ban scrab for being a Nazi. Unban LonghornsPwn or it looks like all his points were right and we were just trying to silence him.
by OUFootball on Dec 1, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
boomerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 30, 2008 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
damn
a lot of bitter texas fans invading this blog. don’t worry guys, it’s all for not cuz mizzou is going to beat the crap out of OU and would do the same thing to texas. ; )
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah we already played Mizzou
Beat them and OU (45-35)
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how'd
you fair against texas tech??
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 30, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No!!
Tech doesn’t belong in the discussion because they lost by 44 to some team we can’t remember.
So it’s between OU and Texas and Texas beat OU!!!!!!
BTW, is any of this 45-35 whining doing you Horn fans any good?
by Brandon Bibb on Nov 30, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
even I can admit
that is hella funny!
45-35
by Hook'em13 on Nov 30, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
34-27
11/17/2007 7:00 p.m. at Texas Tech #3 Jones AT&T Stadium • Lubbock, TX ABC L 27–34 55,038
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how'd u fair against Tech in their Stadium last year....oh yeah
11/17/2007 7:00 p.m. at Texas Tech #3 Jones AT&T Stadium • Lubbock, TX ABC L 27–34 55,038 You lost by 7 points.
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Bradford got hurt in the 1st qtr and didn’t play another down. UT had Colt all game and still lost.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, u got some excuses ? WOW
we have some too. Also OU has lost in 2007 AND 2005 in Tech’s House. How come nobody can admit that those Red Raiders are some Crazed Mad Men in their house. That’s the real reason that fkg result shouldn’t count.
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now we're bringing up scores from last year
This stupid argument has reached a whole new level of irrelevance
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know
it was a joke.
but texas fans being mad at mizzou for losing yesterday is dipping pretty low don’t you think?
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just like
they did against kansas?? hahahahaha
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 30, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
congrats Sooners!!!!
Represent the South Division well!!!
by Beergut on Nov 30, 2008 5:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ok Okies, It's MORON explanation Time
Okies being the Morons of course, See Texas Tech blows a lot of ass and is ranked down to like number 7 or something. That’s why they weren’t involved. Now like Herbstreet and Corso said on TV last night after your game (with a bunch of CLASSLess booing Sooners in the background) TECH ain’t in it, cuz they can barely beat Baylor, so UT and OU are what matters here and 45-35. done.
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Texas lost to a team that could barely beat Baylor
and it is Tech that should be excluded and not the team that they beat.
Longhorn logic. You gotta love it!
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know
they can’t seem to get over the fact that tech was involved too and they lost to tech. so by longhorn logic, raider fans should be shouting 39-33!!!!!!!!!!!
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so longhorn logic
is the same logic as the rest of the country
seems like you’re using sooner logic to me
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, the only "logic" I've heard
from UT fans is that it was a 1 game season — between UT and OU in October. The UT-TT game didn’t count. The TT-OU game didn’t count. The 4 pt. home win over the team that OU beat by 20 on the road last night didn’t count either.
The trouble is, as many have figured out, that if UT > OU b/c of 1 game in October, then TT > UT b/c of 1 game a few weeks ago. Therefore, shouldn’t Tech be playing in the Big XII title game — following UT’s logic. Well, of course not b/c that game didn’t count. The only games that count are the ones that make UT look better. The ones that make UT look worse don’t count.
by chuckb on Nov 30, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not so much a 1 game season, but i'll break it down in a way you can understand it
all 3 teams had the same regular season record, so take out all games that weren’t between ut, ou, and tech
now im gonna rank the wins and losses, and give 3 points to the best winner/loser, 2 points to the second best winner/loser, and 1 point to the worst winner/loser
WINS
1. OU over Tech-no disputing it, they won by 44
2. UT over OU-win by 10 points on a neutral field, solid win
3. Tech over UT-last second win at home
LOSSES
1. UT to Tech-lost on the last second on the road
2.OU to Texas-lost by double digits at a neutral field
3. Tech to OU-they got demolished
SCORES
1A. UT-4 points
1B. OU-4 points
3. Tech-2 points
Due to being last, Tech is eliminated.
Then, you go to head-to-head between the two teams left.
45-35
Texas over OU
and none of those points are disputed
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But UT lead the TT game
A total of what 1:27 min TT lead the rest of the way so yes it was a last second win for TT but they had pretty much handled UT all game long. BS to put them in your so called system #3 in losses and UT #1.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not true
as much as tech dominated in the first half, texas played really well in the second half
so that arguement doesn’t work
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
Turn it how ever you want to that is what the Horns fans do any way. Why don’t you be like the rest of them and say the game never happened. It’s a loss and it came late in the season and most losses late in the season come back to bite you. Believe it or not UT did lose to TT 39-33 look it up if you don’t believe me.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now that is how you respond to something correctly and intelligently
you know that if ou and texas were switched with other teams, the texas side has a better case
if you don’t believe me, fine, but it’s the truth
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and also a question not meant to be mean, just trying to find the answer
why is the abbreviation ou when its the university of oklahoma?
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have an answer for that
Sorry. Believe it or not it was a very good season for the South. I truely do believe OU and UT are the two best teams in the country. The system is flawed and there is nothing you or I can do about it. But to take out your anger on the Sooner fans or it’s team isn’t right they or we don’t have any control over the polls or computers.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
k, just wondering if there was a reason or if it was just one of those weird things
and i’m not taking my anger out on the sooners fans, i’m simply trying to prove to you guys why i think texas deserves the shot over ou using facts and the season
and you’re right there’s nothing we can do about it, and i do believe that texas and ou are the best teams, along with florida
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not you but others
Seem to be attacking us and our school. That is my problem with them not you.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wait...
if your point is that Tech is the weakest of the 3 teams, then UT’s loss is the worst, not the best.
by chuckb on Nov 30, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i never said tech was the weakest team
i said they had the weakest win and the weakest loss
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
again....
end of 4 game stretch of AP top 11 teams, lost on last play of the game, final second, no big deal our loss to Tech
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to play the schedule
that is dealt to you. If you can’t well it is not my fault. Man up that is the loss that killed you.
Back in 2000 OU played UT, K-State and Neb. in October all ranked in the Top 10 and didn’t lose a game and went on to win a NC. Man up and don’t blame the schedule admit you lost a game you should have won.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
boomer1, here's the only thing i'll admit
Our conference is sectioned off between a big 12 north and big 12 south. Why is it like that? Why can’t we all be in the same conference and then best 2 teams can play at the end? Are there any other conferences that penalize superior teams like the Big 12 does?
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
All those with a conference Champ. Game.
The ACC has an Atlantic and a Coastal division
SEC has an East and West,
Big 12 has the North and South
The MAC has an East and West divison
The reason is 2 fold. To have a conference championship game, and the money from the broadcast rights that gives a conference, by NCAA rules your conference HAS to have at least 12 teams. With 12 teams, each team can’t play every other team every year. (well now that a school can play 12 games they actually could as that would be 11 games) So conferences went to this split to help with scheduling AND to come up with a way to earn a team’s place into the conference championship.
I don’t remember too many nasty 3 way ties before, especially with 3 teams with only one loss
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
by Redhawk on Nov 30, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Ou lost to Texas who lost to Texas Tech who could barely beat Baylor.
we can just increase the logic chain by 1 to show you that you’re done SON!
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Troll
Don’t feed him. lol he dosn’t get it and never will. This is the same guy who said last night it was just good enough for him to beat the Sooners to hell with the rest of the season.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget....
how i called u a filthy okie also and you commented on my mood change, that was a funny incident
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, OU is about equal to Baylor
OU lost to us and apparently we can beat baylor and lose to tech
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid
Have another drink. You are making your school and other fans look stupid by keeping this going.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stupid is as stupid does boomer1
and life is like a box of chocolate’s, and I bet your mom ate the whole box ; )
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that was uncalled for
most texas fans aren’t like that
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll decide what's uncalled for
you mind your own threads
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's ok that is why it's
the best rivalry in the nation.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
his mom was Mackalina and his dad was Bevo.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shink about it for a minute,
most likely female and she barks,, therefore his mom is a dog who has bore children(poor her). Now what do they call a female dog that has been bred? I just follow the logic even though some UT people can’t.
by scarab on Nov 30, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on now
Let’s not drop to his level.
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ban this guy ccmachine
he’s a troll himself
by OUFootball on Dec 1, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course Tech ain't it
Which makes it that much more pathetic that Texas lost that game. Oh…wait….I forgot….that game never happened, Tech doesn’t exist, and Texas is still undefeated. Ain’t meth great!
by depogue on Nov 30, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Texas beat Mizzou and OU, the 2 team in the Big 12 Championship
that was tight. horns won both of those I believe
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry
but all the whining in the world isn’t going to give texas the championship.
don’t worry, just put on your mizzou shirt, learn the words to mizzou’s fight song, and hope to hell they put you in the NCG by shocking the world next week.
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it won't change anything
but this is cheaper than a shrink
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
waaaa waaaa waaaaa
were in. we play mizzou next week. were going to the natl championship.
just remember sooner fans don’t mess with texas!!! not nice to pick on retards!!
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 30, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow good one
thats why half your team is from texas
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for Longhorn fans, this is truly a matter of principle to put Texas in the Big XII game after they beat Oklahoma. Same record in conference play, I don’t see how the pollsters can truly, truly justify it. Either way, congrats to Sooner fans.
by Cory Williams on Nov 30, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
pollsters?
from a tech fan:
it seems that ou’s computer ranking is what put them over the top, not the pollster’s…so why is ut still whining??
good job ou and represent the south
by raidered on Nov 30, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do, too
I know that OU’s fans would be pretty upset if we were in their position. The problem is that too many UT fans (and OU fans would likely be the same way) want to blame OU’s fans or the Big XII for this. It’s absurd. You’ve got 3 teams who, basically, have the same resume. You can parse it by saying X beat Y, but when Z beat X and Y beat Z that argument breaks down. There are little nuances like UT beat Missouri but OU beat Cincinnati — a BCS team, Big East champ and a team who is, BTW, ranked much higher in the BCS than Missouri.
The problem is the system. It’s not the Big XII’s fault that their 5th tiebreaker may ultimately determine who plays for the NC. It’s certainly not OU’s fans. It’s not like OU rigged the system.
As an OU fan, I appreciate those who offer congratulations from other boards. As OU fans we should be humble in this. Our team is very good and we got a healthy dose of good fortune. The shoe could certainly have been on the other foot.
by chuckb on Nov 30, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not as if Texas has been struggling down the stretch. The Longhorns only loss came on a Graham Harrell-to-Michael Crabtree touchdown pass with 1 second left in the game. That was also the fourth of four consecutive games for the Longhorns against teams ranked in the top 11 of the AP poll.
Since losing to the Red Raiders, Texas has won three games by a combined score of 129-37, not to mention defeating the inferior Sooners by 10 points on a neutral field. Wow we really got screwed by them human polls.
Also, it has been show that OU’s defense blows as evidenced by OK state’s 41 points
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
your logic is not logical, thus it isn't logic
osu played ut closer than they did ou…and that was in austin
by raidered on Nov 30, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if OU's defense blows
mizzou has a chance next weekend.
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
our defense will be fine
I hate our kick coverage. I’d just as soon kick it out of bounds every time than kick it to Maclin.
by chuckb on Nov 30, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Only Way Mizzou Has a Chance
Is if we dress Longhonrs up in those Tiger Uniforms.
Hmmmmm, I think I got me an idea here.
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To show you All what a Good Sport and Classy LONGHORN I AM
Congratulations Oklahoma on your Big 12 South Championship and good luck going forward and representing the state of Texas with your primarily Texas recruit football team
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm now a Sooner Fan
I see that all your players are from Texas, congrats to us all
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 5:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually not quite
Sam Bradford is from OK….so is Gresham, Austin Box, Dominique Franks, Ryan Broyles, Quinton Chaney, Gerald McCoy, Mosis Madu……hell even Stevens the kicker is from OK. But hey…whatever makes you feel better.
by depogue on Nov 30, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Barry Switzer's smile before the BCS standings were released...
… that smile said it all (on Fox). And we know how much Switzer loves Texas.
If OU beats Mizzou, Texas ought to be careful in their most likely matchup with Utah (an OU/Texas rematch is not entirely unlikely). I wish Texas good luck and hope they represent the Big XII well and put a major dent in all this SEC-is-best crap. It’s also possible if OU wins the Big XII and the BCS, the AP poll could give Texas their #1 ranking, if they spank the Utes.
by inocybe on Nov 30, 2008 5:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
2007 Oklahoma Vs. Texas Tech Results in Jones Stadium
11/17/2007 7:00 p.m. at Texas Tech #3 Jones AT&T Stadium • Lubbock, TX ABC L 27–34 55,038
Yep, OU got beat by 7 points, but Stoops was saying, yeah we usually handle them well, probably lost there in 2005 too, didnt’ ya?
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 6:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
2005 Oklahoma VS TExas Tech
Same result, a LOSS OKIES CAN"T BEAT TECH IN THEIR LUBBOCK HOUSE,
YET that LYing STOOPS was TELLING US HOW OU USUALLY HANDLES TECH
by LonghornsPwn on Nov 30, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that still remains and cannot be disputed is
that Texas had it’s chance to keep this out of the hands of the voter’s. All they had to do was to beat Tech. They did not beat Tech. They lost to Tech. If you say it aloud it will set you free. C’mon Texas fans, say “We lost to Tech”. You can say it loud, soft or with a tear in your eye. It doesn’t matter.
Texas had it’s chance and blew it.
by Sooner Vince on Nov 30, 2008 6:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you could say the same about ou
that argument doesn’t work in this scenario
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It works because of the 3 way tie.
If Texas beats Tech, they would be undefeated. They lost.
I understand the same thing about OU, we lost to Texas. That is why we had no control except to win out in convincing fashion.
Tech had to chance to beat us and they would have ended this conversation. They lost.
3 way tie. You can spew head to head out all you want. But that is not considered in this case. It’s not in the rules for the Big 12. Like it or not, it’s the way it is.
So factually all 3 teams had their chance to keep this out of the voters hands. They didn’t, and here we are.
by Sooner Vince on Nov 30, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and texas didn't finish convincingly?
i see your point that each team had its chance, but that makes it a moot point for everybody, which leads to the whole 45-35 campaign. it seems as though each ou argument depends on tech still being in the conversation, which they are not.
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look I don't have the conference by-laws in a handy pocket version.
So I can’t quote it exactly, but if there is anything I have learned in the last few days it’s that head to head is not a consideration in the Big 12 tie-breaker.
And Tech was in the arguement for the Big 12. If they beat us, then it would have been sealed. Texas would have been out, end of discussion.
The 45-35 campaign only drew attention to OU’s loss to Texas, thinking it could discard the 39-33 loss to Tech. The Head to Head arguement is circular. It is never ending.
by Sooner Vince on Nov 30, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but tech didn't win
and they lost by a score that took them out of consideration
in any other conference, head-to-head would be a factor, but in the big 12 it isn’t
and in all likelihood, the tiebreaker will be changed in a way that would help texas this year
so the big 12 is realizing its mistake and thinks texas should in, like most of the country
but can you agree that tech is out of consideration, because its a fact. then, one would believe, that head-to-head would play a factor in the decision. but it isn’t, and the decision is given to computers who aren’t able to look at the situation and reason, leading to ou winning the big 12 by a very strange set of circumstances.
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe in The ACC and the SEC
They use head to head except when the teams are withing 5 rankings of one another. Which in this case all 3 teams would fall into that criteria. Same result.
I’m not saying it’s not a flawed system, but it’s what is in place this year. If they changed it to head to head like the other mentioned conferences we would be screwed again.
The only point that we will have to continue to disagree on is the fact that Tech can be discarded because of a bad loss. When the records are in question we all 3 have 1 loss.
by Sooner Vince on Nov 30, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think is the reason the majority of the country counts ou out
is because they discount tech, which we disagree on. and im pretty sure that in the sec the last team is eliminated, then head to head is used, which would favor texas
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again this is what is in place, this year.
Like I said I don’t know the SEC’s rule exactly, but I do know that we are in the Big 12.
Personally I would have preferred that OU had taken care of business in the Cotton Bowl and won outright. As you would say the same about Lubbock.
by Sooner Vince on Nov 30, 2008 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So OU
beat Tech so bad they are out of consideration? What is “consideration?” Is ten points consideration? Is nine points consideration? Maybe none of the Big 12 South teams are “in consideration.” Just because you say “Tech lost badly, they are not in consideration,” does not mean they aren’t in consideration. I’m really sorry Texas isn’t going to the Big 12 Championship but the reason they’re are not going is because the case for Texas is predicated on this subjective argument that Tech is “out of consideration.” If you could convince me that Texas should be there because of total body of work(and you’re not) then that is a legitimate argument. Screaming 45-35 does nothing for you. Actually nothing does anything for you because we’re going to the Big 12 Championship.
by SoonerDutch on Nov 30, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they're out of consideration
b/c it helps make their argument. There’s no other reason. OU destroyed Tech so that game doesn’t count. Therefore, it’s a 1 game season between OU and UT in Dallas in October. Games against OSU don’t count. Games against the Big East champs don’t count. OU, BTW, has 4 wins against top 14 BCS teams. Those don’t count either. All that counts is the game in Dallas b/c OU beat Tech really badly. If it had been close, it wouldn’t have counted b/c it was too close.
BTW, not one person — not Fowler, or Maisel, or Herbstreit, or Mack Brown, or any of the trolls who’ve wasted much of their day here today — has ever made an argument for UT based on the entire body of work. No one. Know why? They’d lose and they know it. That’s exactly why they say the Tech loss to OU doesn’t count — b/c a 3-way tie destroys their argument as well.
It’s the most myopic argument ever presented anywhere.
by chuckb on Nov 30, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So If OU had beat Tech
by say 6 points…..would Tech still be in consideration? Did OU beat Tech by TOO MUCH? Is that even possible?
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
by Redhawk on Nov 30, 2008 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I didn’t say Texas didn’t finish in convincing fashion. Maybe the difference would be Kansas and A&M for Texas. Tech and OSU for Oklahoma.
I don’t think anyone on this site thinks Texas and Oklahoma are not the 2 best teams in College Football. I would love for the chance to see what would be known as the greatest NC game in history.
by Sooner Vince on Nov 30, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here We Go
hello all and welcome to the 2008 dr pepper big 12 championship live from kansas city, where we have the #2 Oklahoma Sooners taking on the Missouri tigers.
in ending
was a blowout from the start, the sooners handily beat Mizzou. Now ahead of OU is a shot at the BCS Natl Championship.
I love it, boomer sooner, and like always horns down and good luck in the alamo bowl osu chokes. pistols not firing. book em’ horns.
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 30, 2008 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Book 'Em?
You do know that the OU football program is still on probation from the NCAA at the moment, don’t you?
by HornPossessed on Nov 30, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OU lost to Texas - Texas lost to Texas Tech - Texas Tech lost to OU -
OU lost to Texas – Texas lost to Texas Tech – Texas Tech lost to OU -OU lost to Texas – Texas lost to Texas Tech – Texas Tech lost to OU -OU lost to Texas – Texas lost to Texas Tech – Texas Tech lost to OU -OU lost to Texas – Texas lost to Texas Tech – Texas Tech lost to OU -OU lost to Texas – Texas lost to Texas Tech – Texas Tech lost to OU -OU lost to Texas – Texas lost to Texas Tech – Texas Tech lost to OU -OU lost to Texas – Texas lost to Texas Tech – Texas Tech lost to OU -OU lost to Texas – Texas lost to Texas Tech – Texas Tech lost to OU -OU lost to Texas – Texas lost to Texas Tech – Texas Tech lost to OU -OU lost to Texas – Texas lost to Texas Tech – Texas Tech lost to OU – INFINITY
Just in case there is still dispute
by Sooner Vince on Nov 30, 2008 8:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i still don't see how this favors ou, but whatever
i just have to accept that they system is flawed and texas got robbed
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares
what u see. bcs saw as #2 and #2 we are. we are playing in the big 12 championship, you are not. we will be in the natl championship, you will not. this is our blog,not yours. mack brown came from oklahoma,stoops didnt come from texas. just accept the fact your team is nothing more than 2nd best.
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 30, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and you guys beat us, further proving you're better than us
oh wait. never mind. and actual people thought we were better than you guys, not computers. as will muschamp would say, BOOM MOTHERF*CKER
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and of course bob stoops didn't come from texas
texas would never hire that classless piece of shit that runs up the score and can never win a big game
you guys are just mad that you know texas deserved it. have fun getting demolished by florida if you don’t lose to missouri first. ou will always suck, hook em, go tigers
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me?
Stoops won a NC in just his 2nd year while Texas was in the midst of spinning their wheels for the past 35 years before 2005. All of Texas’ NC have come with a Sooner coach at the wheel and you named your stadium after a Sooner great. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like you’ve won for years with players from Texas. Face it, that argument doesn’t hold water in parts of the country that actually live in houses with solid foundations.
Now, just for fun, tell me what these numbers mean to you:
2, 55, 40, 5, 45, 35.
Ready, go.
by lolwaihallothar on Nov 30, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it that alot of Texas high school football players leave the state
maybe it’s because they want to learn football the right way from an excellent staff. I personally know of players who have turned down scholarships in Texas to go to OU and walk on.
Why would Adrian Peterson from Palestine sit in the Cotton Bowl and choose OU over Texas. I know the answer, do you?
by Sooner Vince on Nov 30, 2008 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im not talking about the past
and the fact of the matter is, texas is better than ou this season, shown on the field.
suck it.
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you really feel that way but
Here is a novel idea yes you beat OU but if you really wanted to go to the NC you should have beaten TT that would have left no doubt but guess what it didn’t happen so we are left with this. OU got better as the year went along if they played Texas now and man I wish we could we would find out if what you say is true or not.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and the same with you and texas
the truth is the majority of the people thought texas deserved to go but you guys found a loophole in the system and somehow are going to the big 12 championship. good job. i hope you lose but congrats.
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Loop hole?
We just played our schedule and finished strong we did nothing wrong not the fans or the team. Congrats on being a Ostrich now go stick your head back in the sand.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you wanted to know I just reported you again for using profanity.
by scarab on Nov 30, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
again?
when did i use profanity before? you’ve never said shit on here before?
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there's 3 times
in the last 30 minutes right there. Grow up. We get it. You think UT got robbed b/c of 1 out of 12 games this season. The entire body of work only counts to the extent that 1 game was the entire body of work.
We’re sorry for you — well, I am. I, too, would be upset if OU had been in a similar situation. UT has a good argument. Unfortunately, you seem to think it’s the only argument. I’ll add finally that, if the situations were reversed, I wouldn’t troll BON’s thread all day long whining and crying about the terrible injustice and how terrible Mack Brown is and oh, BTW, suck it Tea-sippers and all the rest.
We get it. Grow up.
by chuckb on Nov 30, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, chuckb
Go do some real research before you make claims like that. You just look like a classless ignoramus otherwise.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 1, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, Is the vocabulary that limited?
Take the profanity somewhere else, please.
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the longhorns
with a passion.
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by cubsluver22 on Nov 30, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just in case you didn't understand my last post
OU beat Texas Tech – Texas Tech beat Texas – Texas beat OU -OU beat Texas Tech – Texas Tech beat Texas – Texas beat OU -OU beat Texas Tech – Texas Tech beat Texas – Texas beat OU -OU beat Texas Tech – Texas Tech beat Texas – Texas beat OU -OU beat Texas Tech – Texas Tech beat Texas – Texas beat OU -OU beat Texas Tech – Texas Tech beat Texas – Texas beat OU -OU beat Texas Tech – Texas Tech beat Texas – Texas beat OU -OU beat Texas Tech – Texas Tech beat Texas – Texas beat OU -INFINTY
by Sooner Vince on Nov 30, 2008 8:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow…this is the absolute worst thread I’ve ever read. Shame on me for reading the entire thing.
Congrats OU, go do the south proud. Horn fans, you have your own thread to go whine on…you look absurd trying to sway Sooner fans on a Sooner site.
by Tech92 on Nov 30, 2008 9:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol
No doubt. I haven’t even went over to their site and not once have I taunted them.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’ve killed brain cells reading this thread. I hope and pray the tech thread (who also got screwed, BTW, though Mack would never admit to that) is in a better state than this one and BON.
by chuckb on Nov 30, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, not a lot of commenting going on over at DTN about the developments today. We sort of lost our right to whine with a 44-pt loss and your win last night. Thanks a lot, by the way, for that. Damn…what could have been…
by Tech92 on Nov 30, 2008 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the logic is kinda confusing
This was posted somewhere up above:
Tech losing by 44 points eliminates them from the 3 way tie…therefore the head to head between UT and OU favors UT. So according to that logic OU had to beat Tech by NO more then 10 points so not to eliminate Tech from the discussion. How does that make sense? OU is the reason Tech is out of the discussion so UT can claim the head to head. If OU did not take care of Tech so handley then Tech would be going to the Big 12 not UT because of head to head. Am I missing something or is this right?
"Once in awhile, a pirate can beat a soldier"
by crabtreeforheisman on Nov 30, 2008 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes you mised a key point
Texas fans, are trying to add 11-1, and trying to say it equals 1-0….cause they are from Texas…and they have to have that end result.
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
by Redhawk on Nov 30, 2008 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep TU fans
are trying to discredit TT and their fans.
39-33
by boomer1 on Nov 30, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes that's right
TT is eliminated from the discussion b/c OU beat them too badly which, in turn, eliminates OU from the discussion b/c of the head to head. If the score had been closer, then the argument is that OU didn’t beat TT badly enough — on their home field, when they had to come up big…whatever.
by chuckb on Dec 1, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While I couldn't comment in the "Warning" fanpost
it’s about time CCmachine. This has gotten out of hand. While I didn’t expect the Texas fans to be happy, I was surprised by the level to which they have fallen. This is a site for OU fans, by OU fans. A little debate is fine, but gets old fast, especially when it’s so biased and slanted to sell a point or ideology
I went over to BON, to say kind words, like “Hey great season, it could have gone either way, you are still going to a BCS bowl, etc” and it was full of cursing and hatred, even with threats of physical violence. Sportsmanship, encouragement, saying “Good Game” or “Good Year” and showing respect does not lower yourself…it raises you up.
Or as the saying goes: Losing does not build character….it revels it.
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
by Redhawk on Nov 30, 2008 10:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ooops, My Bad
I had the comments closed on that one for some reason. It is open now.
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was shocked to say the least
at the type of language that seems to be the norm over there.
I am no angel and choose to use foul language from time to time. So I won’t throw stones from my glass house. That being said, when posting on any site you have the opportunity to review your comments to double check for coherency, spelling or anything else that make one seem unintelligent.
After reading over there I decided that it would be of no use to offer any condolences. You have to read for awhile to come upon a logical thought. I also did not want to use thier site to get into a spitting match with anyone. I actually enjoy the fact that most of the guys that regularly post on this site have taken a higher road than our counterparts. Also have held thier own in any arguement. Another Sooner win in my book.
Also, I would like to thank CC for keeping this thing going in the first place, and keeping it something that I can have my 14 yr. old son read a few post of and not worry that I have to explain something.
Very classy site and I am glad to be a part of it.
by Sooner Vince on Nov 30, 2008 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand and appreciate where you are coming from Sooner Vince
I have a 12 year old son who reads frequently and several friends who are regulars here. At the end of the day my name is stamped on this site and that type of language is not common around my home so there is no reason or place for it here.
I appreciate all the fans who come here because Crimson and Cream Machine is driven by the fans. I just ask that all members avoid profanity.
Thanks for the kind words and for being apart of this community!
by ccmachine on Nov 30, 2008 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the defense of BON
we were madder than (insert bad word).
I for one used a lot of profanity.
I am not proud of it, but when your team gets screwed, you get mad.
BON is a good community, and has intelligent bloggers, we all love it over there.
I for one use all of the SBN blogs, it gives me a chance to interact with other fans, aand if they are inttelegant, can be very fun. some blogs are better than others, but most of the ones I have joined are great..
BON is one of the better ones believe it or not.
45-35
by Hook'em13 on Dec 1, 2008 12:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In defense of BON, what you've seen is hardly the norm
Drop by again after the angry bandwagon fans return their t-shirts/battle armor to walmart – say the second week of January – and you’ll find virtually no swearing and a generally high level of discourse.
If it were otherwise, believe me, many of us wouldn’t spend our time there.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Dec 1, 2008 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me say this as well
PB is one of the best writers anywhere. I have a ton of respect for him and his creativity. That is how I first discovered SBN by reading his stuff at BON.
by ccmachine on Dec 1, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I go to BON regularly
I’m sorry, but I have to think you either just caught the wrong statements or didn’t really look deeply. PB runs a heck of a site, and if you’d bother to go read his piece on the matter, he’s nothing but classy. It’s one of the most active and respected sites on SB Nation.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 1, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Redhaw, Grow A Pair
The longhorns obviously have good reason to be upset, they beat us.
by OUFootball on Dec 1, 2008 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is my last comment on here
i never attacked anyone simply because i enjoy that. i was defending myself. i was attacked and told basically that my opinion doesn’t mean anything. i’m not saying i’m right, just voicing my opinion. to attack me because i’ve stated my case for the longhorns is juvenile and immature. i did not come here to be a troll. i came here to have an intelligent football discussion/argument and see why you guys thought your team deserved they should win, but you have proved that (most) of you are incapable of doing this. thank you for proving why i can’t stand ou and giving me no reason to root for them this season or the future. goodbye.
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 11:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i dont understand
ok i understand that it was a three way tie… being a longhorn fan, what i dont understand is this…
if everyone agreed that tech was out of the discussion because they lost by 44, and that the representative was cleary going to be between OU and Texas then why would the head to head not matter? i know about all of this " oh u guys lost to tech who we killed" but thats like penn state saying " ok we crushed oregon state at home who beat usc in close game on oregon states home turf so penn state is obviously better than usc" which im sure non of us think is the case…
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Dec 1, 2008 12:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No one understands it!
I know that we can keep beating a dead horse but at some point it has to be recognized that by record alone Tech was a player in this deal. Because it was a three way tie head-to-head couldn’t be used to break the tie because it would cause an endless circle of Texas beat OU who beat Tech who beat Texas. The only way it could have been resolved under Big 12 rules was to take into account the entire body of work and that is what the BCS is supposed to do.
by ccmachine on Dec 1, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Now I’m going to bed. I am sure we will continue this discussion tomorrow. And until the end of time, whichever comes first.
by Sooner Vince on Dec 1, 2008 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the only people discounting Tech
were UT fans (and their minions at espn). They did it to bolster their argument. And the H2H between UT and OU should matter — it just shouldn’t be the ONLY thing that mattered. Why does that head to head count and the head to head between Tech and UT not count, for example? Why does the H2H between Tech and OU not count? UT’s answer — b/c OU won by too many points. Is that, on any level, credible?
Voters and computers should compare the 3 teams’ (not just 2) entire bodies of work — that includes the games each played against the others. UT fans have never, that I have read, made an argument in favor of UT’s entire body of work. Their argument all boils down to 1 out of 12 games. It’s an important game, but not the only one.
by chuckb on Dec 1, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Minions at ESPN?
You don’t watch too much ESPN, do you? Yes, we sure had a lot of minions in 2005 when we played USC…
Come now. If you have done responsible research at Burnt Orange Nation and other fanposts, you WOULD hear arguments that use Texas’ entire body of work. The fact that you say otherwise showed that either you’re a liar or you did lazy research.
I’m getting tired of Oklahoma fans trying to back-track and create fake Texas arguments out of thin air.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 1, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You said
if everyone agreed that tech was out of the discussion because they lost by 44
Only Texas fans are saying that Tech is out of the discussion because it is the only thing that supports their arguement.
Tech may be out of the discussion for the NC, but we all tied for the conference. Head to Head was not part of the Big 12 tiebreaker. Contact the Big 12 Commissioner with all complaints.
by Sooner Vince on Dec 1, 2008 12:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
actually every announcer on espn said " i think its safe to say that tech is out of the dicussion because they lost by 44"
what i meant by my post was you guys have no right to argue that yall are better because you beat tech. because when it really comes down to it texas beat yall. unless 35 is a bigger number than 45…
Hotty Toddy and Hook'em Horns.
by Olemissreb451 on Dec 1, 2008 12:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is a never ending arguement
especially when you put words into mouths.
No one is arguing that we are better, we are only saying that by Big 12 rules we are representing the South in the Big 12 championship.
Done for today. Sleep on it. Maybe it will sink in.
by Sooner Vince on Dec 1, 2008 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it wont sink in cause its garbage, im done with this
Hotty Toddy and Hook'em Horns.
by Olemissreb451 on Dec 1, 2008 12:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line here
Is that somebody was going to get shafted. Turned out it was the Texas and Tech.
So we scream bloody murder, and it still does us no good.
I say that we all move on since arguing about it will do no good, learn from this, make a better tie-breaker, such as a playoff OR instead of the top team in the north and the top team in the south, have the two top teams in conference settle it in the big 12 title game.
45-35
by Hook'em13 on Dec 1, 2008 12:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or...and this just a crazy idea
win all your games, and don’t put your fate in the same boat as all the other one loss teams. If you had beat Tech there would be no controversy.
Just be thankful you are not Utah, and be 12-0 with wins against 2 top 20 BCS schools, plus Oregon St and Michigan on the road…and still can’t get in the top 4
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
by Redhawk on Dec 1, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look man
That was a useless response.
You didn’t take care of business either, so OU fans can say nothing on this matter.
Hook’em13 brought up legit points about the tiebreaker. If YOU guys had won, there would be no controversy either. The fact is, nobody went undefeated in the Big 12. Saying “you should have won” is a useless point to bring up.
Any OU fan with a clue will agree the Big 12 needs to look at things. Don’t be a jerk because it happened to fall into your favor this year; I guarantee that OU fans will be similarly railing against the system if Texas came out on top.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 1, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I’d be disappointed, but would have understood. Some times it adds in your favor, some times it doesn’t.
If we had won out….and be left out, then I’d be really mad. Which is my point. You can’t get too bent out of shape, when the start of the season, everyone is the same (0-0). But if you lose….you didn’t take care of business enough, and you got thrown into the mix with Oklahoma and Florida who also didn’t take care of business. If you had beaten Tech…all the arguments would be moot. You control your own destiny if you win…if you lose, then voters and computers control your destiny.
Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.
by Redhawk on Dec 1, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one knows how they will react to a situation until they are put into it.
You can’t say how you would react no matter how much you think you know about your character. You just never know what you might do.
by HornPossessed on Dec 2, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Contrary to what most say
the tiebreaker is fine. They have to have some way to decide it. It was the 5th tiebreaker for crying out loud. Musberger said use pt. differential between common opponents. I’m not crazy about pt. differential b/c I think it often unfairly punishes teams w/ better defenses (UT) and teams who choose not to run up the score. Even so, that one would’ve favored OU. It’s not the Big XII’s fault. It’s not OU’s fault and it’s not UT’s or Tech’s fault. The idea that Tech should be discounted from any tiebreaker b/c they got smoked in 1 game is absurd, also. They have as much claim to a share of the Big XII South title as either of the others.
The problem is the BCS, as usual, but none of the loudmouths at espn care to recognize that. If there’s a playoff, UT is definitely in the playoff, regardless of whether or not they win the Big XII. It’s a smaller, much less critical decision. But to deflect attention from the real problem, people make up stuff about the Big XII or OU, or Bob Stoops or stupid voters or computers or whatever. Until there’s a playoff, there’s always some problem. This year UT is screwed. Next year it’ll be someone else.
BTW, USC is also going to get screwed big-time here and nobody cares. People will say — “you should have beaten Oregon St.” but no one will dare say that about UT (or Tech, for that matter).
by chuckb on Dec 1, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we can all agree
UT and Tech are head and shoulders above oregon state
45-35
by Hook'em13 on Dec 1, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I can't believe how bad the red raiders are
I mean those guys could barely beat Baylor, sad.
by OUFootball on Dec 1, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Let's move on.
OK, let’s move on. UT and TT got hosed to some degree and for that I will never offer an apology nor ever feel bad about OU going to the B12 CG. It’s OVER!
Now I wish the press and fans would start focusing on Mizzou vs. OU. The schedule is not over. Breing our concentration to the very important upcoming upcoming game. Don’t diss MU but really ets go forward. Insist upon it.
by scarab on Dec 1, 2008 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Texas fans
Look, we have every right to be angry. OU fans like CCmachine know that. They know we got jobbed by the system. That’s not their fault. It’s the system’s fault. What can we do?
Being frustrated is okay. It’s expected. I feel like we had the better case but not enough voters agreed, so it’s done.
At the very least, CCmachine asks that people not use profanity on this site. The least we can is respect that rule when we post here. CCmachine has been nothing but civil in his discussions, even in heated disagreements with me.
So cool it. There are some classless OU fans that may deserve to get ripped. CCmachine isn’t one of them.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 1, 2008 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else wish it would have gone all the way to tiebreaker number 7
The representative will be chosen by draw.
You want to talk about angry fan bases. Imagine if it was done by a draw.
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by Jubanator14 on Dec 1, 2008 4:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
At least we'd know we didn't get screwed
It was just chance.
by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 1, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
30 year anniversary
I believe we are coming up on the 30 year anniversary of an unforgettable Orange Bowl victory. This will be a memorable game in Miami.
RGiskard, Omaha
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