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When Did Winning Stop Being Enough?

If you were to listen to some of the callers on local sports radio here in Oklahoma or check some of the message boards on the internet you would think that the Oklahoma Sooners were standing at 1-7 instead of 7-1. Oklahoma is scoring points at a pace of 48.3 points per game which is the best in the Big 12 but it doesn’t seem good enough to satisfy some fans.

The defense is bad. Special teams are bad. Both will probably get trounced when they play Tech and OSU. I don't expect anyone to get the ax during the season. If Bob Stoops doesn't make some changes in his coaching staff at season's end, what gives?? Bob Stoops is the one who took this job and said there were not going to be any excuses. He didn't know how talented they were, but his staff would put in the right place, have them wrap up and tackle, and have the players in good condition, etc.  Does anyone believe the special teams and defense are being coached and put in the right place to be successful??  Maybe I am wrong, but I don't believe this is the player's fault. – jimtraber.com

I’m not going to be an apologist for Brent Venables and the Oklahoma defense because there are some problems that have to be handled but I refuse to sit and stew over a 23 point win. To be quite honest I don’t care if opponents continue to score 35 points as long as the Sooners keep scoring 58. Of course the problem against Texas was they didn’t score 58. Let’s blame Kevin Wilson for not keeping up the pace!

Yes, I’m kidding about that and yes I was extremely frustrated when OU gave up 45 points to Texas but I was even more frustrated that they lost. The next week Oklahoma gave up 31 points to Kansas and then 35 to Kansas State but I didn’t care because they won. Funny how it works out that way! I wish there were more people who felt that way. Instead there seem to be more fans who are interested in comparing the Sooners to O-State than celebrating a win.

I'm going to hate myself for giving this comparison, but OU's defense got lit up for 45 points vs. Texas--in Dallas--while Poke State's D gave up 28 points (only 7 in the 2nd half) vs. Texas IN AUSTIN.  Now, are you going to tell me OSU has, overall, better athletes on defense than OU?  And even if we agree that the athletes for both squads are equal, why the scoring disparity?  What's the component that caused OU to have more points scored against its D?

And yes, offenses in today's game have gone nuclear, but, as evidenced by Poke State, high-powered offenses can be slowed down in big games.  And effective defenses don't get torched for 28 points in one half by a team that couldn't score more than 13 the week before.  jimtraber.com

Of course both of these quotes were taken from jimtraber.com and if you’ve never allowed yourself the opportunity to visit that site you should. If you thought you had a bleak outlook on life some of the posters there will make you feel like a ray of sunshine. There’s so much negativity and criticism there that even the host himself wants to shut it down. At this point I’m not real concerned with comparing OU with OSU and I won’t be until they play each other. I’m more concerned with Nebraska this week.

Brent Venables has been a part of a coaching staff that won Big 12 championships in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2007 and a national championship in 2000. Let’s go ahead and fire him though because his defense gave up 35 points to Kansas State. Does that sound insane to anyone else?

I don’t have the answers to Oklahoma’s defensive woes but I do know that firing Venables isn’t the answer. Can you name another defensive coordinator with 5 conference championships in the last nine years? Let’s fire him too then!

There are eight other teams in the conference giving up more points than Oklahoma. In fact every Big 12 team other than Texas is giving up more than 21 points per game. I really don’t know if it is the offenses in the Big 12 that have caught up with the defenses (8 of the conference teams average more than 32 points per game) or that the conference defenses are just that bad.

Here’s what I do know though. Four Big 12 schools are ranked in the Top 10 and Oklahoma is one of them. They may not be leading the pack but the Sooners are still very much in the conference race. They may not win it, there’s a good chance they won’t, and if they don’t it will most likely be because of defense and special teams. How about we hold our complaints until then!  

 

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by Jubanator14 on Oct 30, 2008 3:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Perspective...

…at least you aren’t complaining about Howard Schnellenberger or Bill Callahan…

by Husker Mike on Oct 30, 2008 7:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post ccmachine

I started to re-read Coach Switzer’s book ‘Bootleggers Boy’ after the KU game. I found it packed away while cleaning the garage. It really opened my eyes again to the crap that can be started by fans, boosters, alumni, and the media. I can see some of the same type of fans and media reactions and really hope the alumni and regents don’t take the same low down paths that they did during Coach Switzer’s tenure. Coach Stoops and his staff are doing a good job and winning consistently and damn it , we the fan base should be glad for the wins.

CFB has changed so much in just the past 3 years and we all need to look at the game itself and try to understand what is really going on with it. The defensive schemes will catch up. Remember everything is cyclical and someday the spread will fall out of favor.

by scarab on Oct 30, 2008 8:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

30 Minutes of Football

All,
I’m happy to win football games; however I’m concerned about the team’s inability to play a full 60 minutes of football. OU has been great in the first half of games all season; unfortunately we see a different team after halftime. The OU defense is simply an average unit… an elite, yet underperforming, group of D-I athletes. Why are they underperforming? Coaching is the only logical reason. That said, if we outscore our opponents each week, will I be happy? Sure, but I do think Stoops needs to address this in some way during the offseason. Remember the old cliche: Offense sells tickets, but defense wins championships. After all, the 2000 defense shut out Florida State to make that Championship happen.

On to my concern for this year… Why has the OU offense struggled so during the second half of games? Poor play calling? Poor execution? I’m not one for running up the score; however I feel that the offense is being conditioned to play just 30 minutes of football. With a defense that can’t stop anyone effectively — not even Baylor — our offense must demonstrate the ability to put points on the board during the 3rd and 4th quarters… else, what happened during the Texas game will happen again come Texas Tech, OK State or — worse yet — during the bowl game.

  • Another issue for another day… I love Bob Stoops, but I am tired of getting beat (LSU, Boise State) and in some cases spanked (USC, West Virginia) in bowl games. Why hasn’t Stoops been able to prepare the team for these big games? Note that in each game, the other teams have shown up prepared to play 4 full quarters.

by Lt Col Sooner on Oct 30, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Love the Sooners

As an OU alum, I obviously love it when the Sooners win and hate it when they lose. I think I have some perspective on all this. It is, after all, just a game. But I thought the purpose of this site was for the readers to express their opinions, whether they be positive or negative. If we hold our complaints until the end of the season, then why are we handing out letter grades for each unit after every game.

I know I’m guilty of leaning toward the negative side recently on some of my posts(kicking game), but that doesn’t mean I’m not enjoying the victories or I’m not hopeful for conference or national titles this year (OU-TX rematch anybody?). Every season has it’s ups and downs and that is why I love it.

Finally, let’s keep in mind that Traber is an OSU homer, so everything he says regarding OU should be taken with a grain of salt and I wouldn’t expect much positivity to come from his blog.

Boomer Sooner!!!

by Sooner71 on Oct 30, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don’t Take It Wrong, Sooner 71

This post was in response to calls on local talk radio stations as well as other message boards and NOT towards posters here at CC Machine. I think for the most part our little online community is pretty level headed.

I also wasn’t suggesting that we bite our tongues over the next four weeks. I have expressed concerns about the defense and special teams and I do believe that there is reason to do so. However, I’m not calling for any heads (especially after a win) and I’m not letting it drown out my joy of Oklahoma winning football games. I think that it is insane that there are some fans who cannot celebrate a victory because they have to complain about the number of yards and points given up or something else. Again, let me emphasize that I am NOT IN ANY WAY saying that we shouldn’t discuss concerns but for crying out loud let’s celebrate a victory first.

Keep in mind that Oklahoma lost on the road at Colorado and Texas Tech last year and nearly lost at Iowa State. This year they are winning on the road by an average of 32 points. Isn’t that improvement? Why, then, are we not talking about it?

All I’m suggesting is that we wait until after they lose to act like they lost.

by ccmachine on Oct 30, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When was winning not enough?

Well, as long as I’ve been around OU football. As Switzer said, “Bud created the monster, I just feed it.”

It’s about winning. When the team is winning, it’s about getting better. Oklahoma, is not a place where 8-3 and a bowl game is good enough. Just ask Gary Gibbs. It’s about winning championships, conference at least or preferably National Championships.

And while OU is currently winning games, it doesn’t take too long a look around to see other teams in the conference doing just as well, or better in some aspects of the game. That frustrates (and worries, though they won’t admit it) OU fans.

To have people complain all during the 2nd half vs Kansas State after putting up 51 points in the first half is what makes Sooner fans unique. Spoiled, too demanding, unrealistic… maybe, but it is a common thread, that’s been there since I’ve been around (and that’s a LONG time).

Now…go hang half a hundred by half on the Huskers!

Thought Clint Hurdle should be fired before it was cool.

by Redhawk on Oct 30, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

quick thought...

The special teams issues do bother me some as a fan, and in one case (vs Texas) was an absolute game changer. So any complaints about that issue, I can totally agree with.

On the issue of defense, as a whole, someone said recently that with the level of most of the Big 12 offenses, that it was more important to make the big play when it was needed ( ie. a key intererception, force fumble in the red zone) rather then be a stonewalling defence.

"I should apologize to girls for saying Sexson threw that helmet like a girl. I’m not even sure girls do that." - TAG 05/08/2008

by Captain Fubar on Oct 31, 2008 9:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interception or Not an Interception?

Speaking of making big plays at the right time…

Perhaps I’m still living in the past, and still having trouble swallowing the loss to UT, but how was that NOT an interception in the end zone? I agree the first game changing play was the kick off return for a touchdown (by Texas)… however, I also feel very strongly if that had been called an interception, which I believe it was, it would have been the next and hopefully final game changing play because obviously Texas would have been dealt a major blow and walked away with zero points. The fact that Texas walked away with 3 points and Colt McCoy was unburdened of a costly interception kept the momentum on the wrong side.

All of that said, my greatest concern still prevails in that OU was unable to put up points in the 4th quarter… In the face of scoring contests with Nebraska (to a lesser degree) and especially Tech and OK State, I am concerned with this inability to score in the 4th…. Any other fans struggling with this? Thoughts?

by Lt Col Sooner on Oct 31, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm Not Sure That I Completely Understand It Either

But Coach Stoops explained on his show why it wasn’t an interception and said that the refs made the right call. Basically the ground can’t cause a fumble but it can cause an incomplete pass.

by ccmachine on Nov 1, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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